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St. Augustine
On Christian Doctrine
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BOOK IV.
chap. 3. The proper age and the proper means for acquiring rhetorical skill
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chap
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3
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The
proper
age
and
the
proper
means
for
acquiring
rhetorical
skill
But
the
theories
and
rules
on
this
subject
(
to
which
,
when
you
add
a
tongue
thoroughly
skilled
by
exercise
and
habit
in
the
use
of
many
words
and
many
ornaments
of
speech
,
you
have
what
is
called
eloquence
or
oratory
)
may
be
learnt
apart
from
these
writings
of
mine
,
if
a
suitable
space
of
time
be
set
aside
for
the
purpose
at
a
fit
and
proper
age
.
But
only
by
those
who
can
learn
them
quickly
;
for
the
masters
of
Roman
eloquence
themselves
did
not
shrink
from
sayings
any
one
who
cannot
learn
this
art
quickly
can
never
thoroughly
learn
it
at
all
.
Whether
this
be
true
or
not
,
why
need
we
inquire
?
For
even
if
this
art
can
occasionally
be
in
the
end
mastered
by
men
of
slower
intellect
,
I
do
not
think
it
of
so
much
importance
as
to
wish
men
who
have
arrived
at
mature
age
to
spend
time
in
learning
it
.
It
is
enough
that
boys
should
give
attention
to
it
;
and
even
of
these
,
not
all
who
are
to
be
fitted
for
usefulness
in
the
Church
,
but
only
those
who
are
not
yet
engaged
in
any
occupation
of
more
urgent
necessity
,
or
which
ought
evidently
to
take
precedence
of
it
.
For
men
of
quick
intellect
and
glowing
temperament
find
it
easier
to
become
eloquent
by
reading
and
listening
to
eloquent
speakers
than
by
following
rules
for
eloquence
.
And
even
outside
the
canon
,
which
to
our
great
advantage
is
fixed
in
a
place
of
secure
authority
,
there
is
no
want
of
ecclesiastical
writings
,
in
reading
which
a
man
of
ability
will
acquire
a
tinge
of
the
eloquence
with
which
they
are
written
,
even
though
he
does
not
aim
at
this
,
but
is
solely
intent
on
the
matters
treated
of
;
especially
,
of
course
,
if
in
addition
he
practice
himself
in
writing
,
or
dictating
,
and
at
last
also
in
speaking
,
the
opinions
he
has
formed
on
grounds
of
piety
and
faith
.
If
,
however
,
such
ability
be
wanting
,
the
rules
of
rhetoric
are
either
not
understood
,
or
if
,
after
great
labour
has
been
spent
in
enforcing
them
,
they
come
to
be
in
some
small
measure
understood
,
they
prove
of
no
service
.
For
even
those
who
have
learnt
them
,
and
who
speak
with
fluency
and
elegance
,
cannot
always
think
of
them
when
they
are
speaking
so
as
to
speak
in
accordance
with
them
,
unless
they
are
discussing
the
rules
themselves
.
Indeed
,
I
think
there
are
scarcely
any
who
can
do
both
things
that
is
,
speak
well
,
and
,
in
order
to
do
this
,
think
of
the
rules
of
speaking
while
they
are
speaking
.
For
we
must
be
careful
that
what
we
have
got
to
say
does
not
escape
us
whilst
we
are
thinking
about
saying
it
according
to
the
rules
of
art
.
Nevertheless
,
in
the
speeches
of
eloquent
men
,
we
find
rules
of
eloquence
carried
out
which
the
speakers
did
not
think
of
as
aids
to
eloquence
at
the
time
when
they
were
speaking
,
whether
they
had
ever
learnt
them
,
or
whether
they
had
never
even
met
with
them
.
For
it
is
because
they
are
eloquent
that
they
exemplify
these
rules
;
it
is
not
that
they
use
them
in
order
to
be
eloquent
.
And
,
therefore
,
as
infants
cannot
learn
to
speak
except
by
learning
words
and
phrases
from
those
who
do
speak
,
why
should
not
men
become
eloquent
without
being
taught
any
art
of
speech
,
simply
by
reading
and
learning
the
speeches
of
eloquent
men
,
and
by
imitating
them
as
far
as
they
can
?
And
what
do
we
find
from
the
examples
themselves
to
be
the
case
in
this
respect
?
We
know
numbers
who
,
without
acquaintance
with
rhetorical
rules
,
are
more
eloquent
than
many
who
have
learnt
these
;
but
we
know
no
one
who
is
eloquent
without
having
read
and
listened
to
the
speeches
and
debates
of
eloquent
men
.
For
even
the
art
of
grammar
,
which
teaches
correctness
of
speech
,
need
not
be
learnt
by
boys
,
if
they
have
the
advantage
of
growing
up
and
living
among
men
who
speak
correctly
.
For
without
knowing
the
names
of
any
of
the
faults
,
they
will
,
from
being
accustomed
to
correct
speech
,
lay
hold
upon
whatever
is
faulty
in
the
speech
of
any
one
they
listen
to
,
and
avoid
it
;
just
as
citybred
men
,
even
when
illiterate
,
seize
upon
the
faults
of
rustics
.
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