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St. Catherine of Siena
The Dialogue of Saint Catherine
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A TREATISE OF DISCRETION
Of the use of temptations, and how every soul in her extremity sees her final place either of pain or of glory, before she is separated from the body.
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Of
the
use
of
temptations
,
and
how
every
soul
in
her
extremity
sees
her
final
place
either
of
pain
or
of
glory
,
before
she
is
separated
from
the
body
.
"
The
Devil
,
dearest
daughter
,
is
the
instrument
of
My
Justice
to
torment
the
souls
who
have
miserably
offended
Me
.
And
I
have
set
him
in
this
life
to
tempt
and
molest
My
creatures
,
not
for
My
creatures
to
be
conquered
,
but
that
they
may
conquer
,
proving
their
virtue
,
and
receive
from
Me
the
glory
of
victory
.
And
no
one
should
fear
any
battle
or
temptation
of
the
Devil
that
may
come
to
him
,
because
I
have
made
My
creatures
strong
,
and
have
given
them
strength
of
will
,
fortified
in
the
Blood
of
my
Son
,
which
will
,
neither
Devil
nor
creature
can
move
,
because
it
is
yours
,
given
by
Me
.
You
therefore
,
with
free
arbitration
,
can
hold
it
or
leave
it
,
according
as
you
please
.
It
is
an
arm
,
which
,
if
you
place
it
in
the
hands
of
the
Devil
,
straightway
becomes
a
knife
,
with
which
he
strikes
you
and
slays
you
.
But
if
man
do
not
give
this
knife
of
his
will
into
the
hands
of
the
Devil
,
that
is
,
if
he
do
not
consent
to
his
temptations
and
molestations
,
he
will
never
be
injured
by
the
guilt
of
sin
in
any
temptation
,
but
will
even
be
fortified
by
it
,
when
the
eye
of
his
intellect
is
opened
to
see
My
love
which
allowed
him
to
be
tempted
,
so
as
to
arrive
at
virtue
,
by
being
proved
.
For
one
does
not
arrive
at
virtue
except
through
knowledge
of
self
,
and
knowledge
of
Me
,
which
knowledge
is
more
perfectly
acquired
in
the
time
of
temptation
,
because
then
man
knows
himself
to
be
nothing
,
being
unable
to
lift
off
himself
the
pains
and
vexations
which
he
would
flee
;
and
he
knows
Me
in
his
will
,
which
is
fortified
by
My
goodness
,
so
that
it
does
not
yield
to
these
thoughts
.
And
he
has
seen
that
My
love
permits
these
temptations
,
for
the
devil
is
weak
,
and
by
himself
can
do
nothing
,
unless
I
allow
him
.
And
I
let
him
tempt
,
through
love
,
and
not
through
hatred
,
that
you
may
conquer
,
and
not
that
you
may
be
conquered
,
and
that
you
may
come
to
a
perfect
knowledge
of
yourself
,
and
of
Me
,
and
that
virtue
may
be
proved
,
for
it
is
not
proved
except
by
its
contrary
.
You
see
,
then
,
that
he
is
my
Minister
to
torture
the
damned
in
Hell
,
and
in
this
life
,
to
exercise
and
prove
virtue
in
the
soul
.
Not
that
it
is
the
intention
of
the
Devil
to
prove
virtue
in
you
(
for
he
has
not
love
),
but
rather
to
deprive
you
of
it
,
and
this
he
cannot
do
,
if
you
do
not
wish
it
.
Now
you
see
,
then
,
how
great
is
the
foolishness
of
men
in
making
themselves
feeble
,
when
I
have
made
them
strong
,
and
in
putting
themselves
into
the
hands
of
the
Devil
.
Wherefore
,
know
,
that
at
the
moment
of
death
,
they
,
having
passed
their
life
under
the
lordship
of
the
Devil
(
not
that
they
were
forced
to
do
so
,
for
as
I
told
you
they
cannot
be
forced
,
but
they
voluntarily
put
themselves
into
his
hands
),
and
,
arriving
at
the
extremity
of
their
death
under
this
perverse
lordship
,
they
await
no
other
judgment
than
that
of
their
own
conscience
,
and
desperately
,
despairingly
,
come
to
eternal
damnation
.
Wherefore
Hell
,
through
their
hate
,
surges
up
to
them
in
the
extremity
of
death
,
and
before
they
get
there
,
they
take
hold
of
it
,
by
means
of
their
lord
the
Devil
.
As
the
righteous
,
who
have
lived
in
charity
and
died
in
love
,
if
they
have
lived
perfectly
in
virtue
,
illuminated
with
the
light
of
faith
,
with
perfect
hope
in
the
Blood
of
the
Lamb
,
when
the
extremity
of
death
comes
,
see
the
good
which
I
have
prepared
for
them
,
and
embrace
it
with
the
arms
of
love
,
holding
fast
with
pressure
of
love
to
Me
,
the
Supreme
and
Eternal
Good
.
And
so
they
taste
eternal
life
before
they
have
left
the
mortal
body
,
that
is
,
before
the
soul
be
separated
from
the
body
.
Others
who
have
passed
their
lives
,
and
have
arrived
at
the
last
extremity
of
death
with
an
ordinary
charity
(
not
in
that
great
perfection
),
embrace
My
mercy
with
the
same
light
of
faith
and
hope
that
had
those
perfect
ones
,
but
,
in
them
,
it
is
imperfect
,
for
,
because
they
were
imperfect
,
they
constrained
My
mercy
,
counting
My
mercy
greater
than
their
sins
.
The
wicked
sinners
do
the
contrary
,
for
,
seeing
,
with
desperation
,
their
destination
,
they
embrace
it
with
hatred
,
as
I
told
you
.
So
that
neither
the
one
nor
the
other
waits
for
judgment
,
but
,
in
departing
this
life
,
they
receive
every
one
their
place
,
as
I
have
told
you
,
and
they
taste
it
and
possess
it
before
they
depart
from
the
body
,
at
the
extremity
of
death
--
the
damned
with
hatred
and
with
despair
,
and
the
perfect
ones
with
love
and
the
light
of
faith
and
with
the
hope
of
the
Blood
.
And
the
imperfect
arrive
at
the
place
of
Purgatory
,
with
mercy
and
the
same
faith
."
How
the
Devil
gets
hold
of
souls
,
under
pretense
of
some
good
:
and
,
how
those
are
deceived
who
keep
by
the
river
,
and
not
by
the
aforesaid
Bridge
,
for
,
wishing
to
fly
pains
,
they
fall
into
them
;
and
of
the
vision
of
a
tree
,
that
this
soul
once
had
.
"
I
have
told
you
that
the
Devil
invites
men
to
the
water
of
death
,
that
is
,
to
that
which
he
has
,
and
,
blinding
them
with
the
pleasures
and
conditions
of
the
world
,
he
catches
them
with
the
hook
of
pleasure
,
under
the
pretense
of
good
,
because
in
no
other
way
could
he
catch
them
,
for
they
would
not
allow
themselves
to
be
caught
if
they
saw
that
no
good
or
pleasure
to
themselves
were
to
be
obtained
thereby
.
For
the
soul
,
from
her
nature
,
always
relishes
good
,
though
it
is
true
that
the
soul
,
blinded
by
self-
love
,
does
not
know
and
discern
what
is
true
good
,
and
of
profit
to
the
soul
and
to
the
body
.
And
,
therefore
,
the
Devil
,
seeing
them
blinded
by
self-love
,
iniquitously
places
before
them
diverse
and
various
delights
,
colored
so
as
to
have
the
appearance
of
some
benefit
or
good
;
and
he
gives
to
everyone
according
to
his
condition
and
those
principal
vices
to
which
he
sees
him
to
be
most
disposed
--
of
one
kind
to
the
secular
,
of
another
to
the
religious
,
and
others
to
prelates
and
noblemen
,
according
to
their
different
conditions
.
I
have
told
you
this
,
because
I
now
speak
to
you
of
those
who
drown
themselves
in
the
river
,
and
who
care
for
nothing
but
themselves
,
to
love
themselves
to
My
injury
,
and
I
will
relate
to
you
their
end
.
"
Now
I
want
to
show
you
how
they
deceive
themselves
,
and
how
,
wishing
to
flee
troubles
,
they
fall
into
them
.
For
,
because
it
seems
to
them
that
following
Me
,
that
is
,
walking
by
the
way
of
the
Bridge
,
the
Word
,
My
Son
,
is
great
toil
,
they
draw
back
,
fearing
the
thorn
.
This
is
because
they
are
blinded
and
do
not
know
or
see
the
Truth
,
as
,
you
know
,
I
showed
you
in
the
beginning
of
your
life
,
when
you
prayed
Me
to
have
mercy
on
the
world
,
and
draw
it
out
of
the
darkness
of
mortal
sin
.
You
know
that
I
then
showed
you
Myself
under
the
figure
of
a
Tree
,
of
which
you
saw
neither
the
beginning
nor
the
end
,
so
that
you
did
not
see
that
the
roots
were
united
with
the
earth
of
your
humanity
.
At
the
foot
of
the
Tree
,
if
you
remember
well
,
there
was
a
certain
thorn
,
from
which
thorn
all
those
who
love
their
own
sensuality
kept
away
,
and
ran
to
a
mountain
of
Lolla
,
in
which
you
figured
to
yourself
all
the
delights
of
the
world
.
That
Lolla
seemed
to
be
of
corn
and
was
not
,
and
,
therefore
,
as
you
saw
,
many
souls
thereon
died
of
hunger
,
and
many
,
recognizing
the
deceits
of
the
world
,
returned
to
the
Tree
and
passed
the
thorn
,
which
is
the
deliberation
of
the
will
.
Which
deliberation
,
before
it
is
made
,
is
a
thorn
which
appears
to
man
to
stand
in
the
way
of
following
the
Truth
.
And
conscience
always
fights
on
one
side
,
and
sensuality
on
the
other
;
but
as
soon
as
he
,
with
hatred
and
displeasure
of
himself
,
manfully
makes
up
his
mind
,
saying
, '
I
wish
to
follow
Christ
crucified
,'
he
breaks
at
once
the
thorn
,
and
finds
inestimable
sweetness
,
as
I
showed
you
then
,
some
finding
more
and
some
less
,
according
to
their
disposition
and
desire
.
And
you
know
that
then
I
said
to
you
, '
I
am
your
God
,
unmoving
and
unchangeable
,'
and
I
do
not
draw
away
from
any
creature
who
wants
to
come
to
Me
.
I
have
shown
them
the
Truth
,
making
Myself
visible
to
them
,
and
I
have
shown
them
what
it
is
to
love
anything
without
Me
.
But
they
,
as
if
blinded
by
the
fog
of
disordinate
love
,
know
neither
Me
nor
themselves
.
You
see
how
deceived
they
are
,
choosing
rather
to
die
of
hunger
than
to
pass
a
little
thorn
.
And
they
cannot
escape
enduring
pain
,
for
no
one
can
pass
through
this
life
without
a
cross
,
far
less
those
who
travel
by
the
lower
way
.
Not
that
My
servants
pass
without
pain
,
but
their
pain
is
alleviated
.
And
because
--
by
sin
,
as
I
said
to
you
above
--
the
world
germinates
thorns
and
tribulations
,
and
because
this
river
flows
with
tempestuous
waters
,
I
gave
you
the
Bridge
,
so
that
you
might
not
be
drowned
.
"
I
have
shown
you
how
they
are
deceived
by
a
disordinate
fear
,
and
how
I
am
your
God
,
immovable
,
who
am
not
an
Acceptor
of
persons
but
of
holy
desire
.
And
this
I
have
shown
you
under
the
figure
of
the
Tree
,
as
I
told
you
."
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