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St. Catherine of Siena
The Dialogue of Saint Catherine
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A TREATISE OF DISCRETION
How, the world having germinated thorns, who those are whom they do not harm; although no one passes this life without pain.
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How
,
the
world
having
germinated
thorns
,
who
those
are
whom
they
do
not
harm
;
although
no
one
passes
this
life
without
pain
.
"
Now
I
want
to
show
you
to
whom
the
thorns
and
tribulations
,
that
the
world
germinated
through
sin
,
do
harm
,
and
to
whom
they
do
not
.
And
as
,
so
far
,
I
have
shown
you
the
damnation
of
sinners
,
together
with
My
goodness
,
and
have
told
you
how
they
are
deceived
by
their
own
sensuality
,
now
I
wish
to
tell
you
how
it
is
only
they
themselves
who
are
injured
by
the
thorns
.
No
one
born
passes
this
life
without
pain
,
bodily
or
mental
.
Bodily
pain
My
servants
bear
,
but
their
minds
are
free
,
that
is
,
they
do
not
feel
the
weariness
of
the
pain
;
for
their
will
is
accorded
with
Mine
,
and
it
is
the
will
that
gives
trouble
to
man
.
Pain
of
mind
and
of
body
have
those
,
of
whom
I
have
narrated
to
you
,
who
,
in
this
life
,
taste
the
earnest
money
of
hell
,
as
My
servants
taste
the
earnest
money
of
eternal
life
.
Do
you
know
what
is
the
special
good
of
the
blessed
ones
?
It
is
having
their
desire
filled
with
what
they
desire
;
wherefore
desiring
Me
,
they
have
Me
,
and
taste
Me
without
any
revolt
,
for
they
have
left
the
burden
of
the
body
,
which
was
a
law
that
opposed
the
spirit
,
and
came
between
it
and
the
perfect
knowledge
of
the
Truth
,
preventing
it
from
seeing
Me
face
to
face
.
But
after
the
soul
has
left
the
weight
of
the
body
,
her
desire
is
full
,
for
,
desiring
to
see
Me
,
she
sees
Me
,
in
which
vision
is
her
bliss
;
and
seeing
she
knows
,
and
knowing
she
loves
,
and
loving
she
tastes
Me
,
Supreme
and
Eternal
Good
,
and
,
in
tasting
Me
,
she
is
satisfied
,
and
her
desire
is
fulfilled
,
that
is
,
the
desire
she
had
to
see
and
know
Me
;
wherefore
desiring
she
has
,
and
having
she
desires
.
And
as
I
told
you
pain
is
far
from
the
desire
,
and
weariness
from
the
satisfaction
of
it
.
So
you
see
that
My
servants
are
blessed
principally
in
seeing
and
in
knowing
Me
,
in
which
vision
and
knowledge
their
will
is
fulfilled
,
for
they
have
that
which
they
desired
to
have
,
and
so
are
they
satisfied
.
Wherefore
I
told
you
that
the
tasting
of
eternal
life
consisted
especially
in
having
that
which
the
will
desires
,
and
thus
being
satisfied
;
but
know
that
the
will
is
satisfied
in
seeing
and
knowing
Me
,
as
I
have
told
you
.
In
this
life
then
,
they
taste
the
earnest
money
of
eternal
life
,
tasting
the
above
,
with
which
I
have
told
you
they
will
be
satisfied
.
"
But
how
have
they
the
earnest
money
in
this
present
life
?
I
reply
to
you
,
they
have
it
in
seeing
My
goodness
in
themselves
,
and
in
the
knowledge
of
My
Truth
,
which
knowledge
,
the
intellect
(
which
is
the
eye
of
the
soul
)
illuminated
in
Me
,
possesses
.
This
eye
has
the
pupil
of
the
most
holy
faith
,
which
light
of
faith
enables
the
soul
to
discern
,
to
know
,
and
to
follow
the
way
and
the
doctrine
of
My
Truth
--
the
Word
Incarnate
;
and
without
this
pupil
of
faith
she
would
not
see
,
except
as
a
man
who
has
the
form
of
the
eye
,
but
who
has
covered
the
pupil
(
which
causes
the
eye
to
see
)
with
a
cloth
.
So
the
pupil
of
the
intellect
is
faith
,
and
if
the
soul
has
covered
it
with
the
cloth
of
infidelity
,
drawn
over
it
by
self-love
,
she
does
not
see
,
but
only
has
the
form
of
the
eye
without
the
light
,
because
she
has
hidden
it
.
Thus
you
see
,
that
in
seeing
they
know
,
and
in
knowing
they
love
,
and
in
loving
they
deny
and
lose
their
self-will
.
Their
own
will
lost
,
they
clothe
themselves
in
Mine
,
and
I
will
nothing
but
your
sanctification
.
At
once
they
set
to
,
turning
their
back
to
the
way
below
,
and
begin
to
ascend
by
the
Bridge
,
and
pass
over
the
thorns
,
which
do
not
hurt
them
,
their
feet
being
shod
with
the
affection
of
My
love
.
For
I
told
you
that
My
servants
suffered
corporally
but
not
mentally
,
because
the
sensitive
will
,
which
gives
pain
and
afflicts
the
mind
of
the
creature
,
is
dead
.
Wherefore
,
the
will
not
being
there
,
neither
is
there
any
pain
.
They
bear
everything
with
reverence
,
deeming
themselves
favored
in
having
tribulation
for
My
sake
,
and
they
desire
nothing
but
what
I
desire
.
If
I
allow
the
Devil
to
trouble
them
,
permitting
temptations
to
prove
them
in
virtue
,
as
I
told
you
above
,
they
resist
with
their
will
fortified
in
Me
,
humiliating
themselves
,
and
deeming
themselves
unworthy
of
peace
and
quiet
of
mind
and
deserving
of
pain
,
and
so
they
proceed
with
cheerfulness
and
self-
knowledge
,
without
painful
affliction
.
And
if
tribulations
on
man
'
s
account
,
or
infirmity
,
or
poverty
,
or
change
of
worldly
condition
,
or
loss
of
children
,
or
of
other
much
loved
creatures
(
all
of
which
are
thorns
that
the
earth
produced
after
sin
)
come
upon
them
,
they
endure
them
all
with
the
light
of
reason
and
holy
faith
,
looking
to
Me
,
who
am
the
Supreme
Good
,
and
who
cannot
desire
other
than
good
,
for
which
I
permit
these
tribulations
through
love
,
and
not
through
hatred
.
And
they
that
love
Me
recognize
this
,
and
,
examining
themselves
,
they
see
their
sins
,
and
understand
by
the
light
of
faith
,
that
good
must
be
rewarded
and
evil
punished
.
And
they
see
that
every
little
sin
merits
infinite
pain
,
because
it
is
against
Me
,
who
am
Infinite
Good
,
wherefore
they
deem
themselves
favored
because
I
wish
to
punish
them
in
this
life
,
and
in
this
finite
time
;
they
drive
away
sin
with
contrition
of
heart
,
and
with
perfect
patience
do
they
merit
,
and
their
labors
are
rewarded
with
infinite
good
.
Hereafter
they
know
that
all
labor
in
this
life
is
small
,
on
account
of
the
shortness
of
time
.
Time
is
as
the
point
of
a
needle
and
no
more
;
and
,
when
time
has
passed
labor
is
ended
,
therefore
you
see
that
the
labor
is
small
.
They
endure
with
patience
,
and
the
thorns
they
pass
through
do
not
touch
their
heart
,
because
their
heart
is
drawn
out
of
them
and
united
to
Me
by
the
affection
of
love
.
It
is
a
good
truth
then
that
these
do
taste
eternal
life
,
receiving
the
earnest
money
of
it
in
this
life
,
and
that
,
though
they
walk
on
thorns
,
they
are
not
pricked
,
because
as
I
told
you
,
they
have
known
My
Supreme
Goodness
,
and
sought
for
it
where
it
was
to
be
found
,
that
is
in
the
Word
,
My
only-begotten
son
."
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