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St. Catherine of Siena
The Dialogue of Saint Catherine
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A TREATISE OF PRAYER
Of the difference of these tears, arising from the explanation of the aforesaid state of the soul.
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Of
the
difference
of
these
tears
,
arising
from
the
explanation
of
the
aforesaid
state
of
the
soul
.
"
I
wish
you
to
know
that
every
tear
proceeds
from
the
heart
,
for
there
is
no
member
of
the
body
that
will
satisfy
the
heart
so
much
as
the
eye
.
If
the
heart
is
in
pain
the
eye
manifests
it
.
And
if
the
pain
be
sensual
the
eye
drops
hearty
tears
which
engender
death
,
because
proceeding
from
the
heart
,
they
are
caused
by
a
disordinate
love
distinct
from
the
love
of
Me
;
for
such
love
,
being
disordinate
and
an
offense
to
Me
,
receives
the
meed
of
mortal
pain
and
tears
.
It
is
true
that
their
guilt
and
grief
are
more
or
less
heavy
,
according
to
the
measure
of
their
disordinate
love
.
And
these
form
that
first
class
,
who
have
the
tears
of
death
,
of
whom
I
have
spoken
to
you
,
and
will
speak
again
.
Now
,
begin
to
consider
the
tears
which
give
the
commencement
of
life
,
the
tears
,
that
is
,
of
those
who
,
knowing
their
guilt
,
set
to
weeping
for
fear
of
the
penalty
they
have
incurred
.
"
These
are
both
hearty
and
sensual
tears
,
because
the
soul
,
not
having
yet
arrived
at
perfect
hatred
of
its
guilt
on
account
of
the
offense
thereby
done
to
Me
,
abandons
it
with
a
hearty
grief
for
the
penalty
which
follows
the
sin
committed
,
while
the
eye
weeps
in
order
to
satisfy
the
grief
of
the
heart
.
"
But
the
soul
,
exercising
herself
in
virtue
,
begins
to
lose
her
fear
,
knowing
that
fear
alone
is
not
sufficient
to
give
her
eternal
life
,
as
I
have
already
told
you
when
speaking
of
the
second
stage
of
the
soul
.
And
so
she
proceeds
,
with
love
,
to
know
herself
and
My
goodness
in
her
,
and
begins
to
take
hope
in
My
mercy
in
which
her
heart
feels
joy
.
Sorrow
for
her
grief
,
mingled
with
the
joy
of
her
hope
in
My
mercy
,
causes
her
eye
to
weep
,
which
tears
issue
from
the
very
fountain
of
her
heart
.
"
But
,
inasmuch
as
she
has
not
yet
arrived
at
great
perfection
,
she
often
drops
sensual
tears
,
and
if
you
ask
Me
why
,
I
reply
:
Because
the
root
of
self-love
is
not
sensual
love
,
for
that
has
already
been
removed
,
as
has
been
said
,
but
it
is
a
spiritual
love
with
which
the
soul
desires
spiritual
consolations
or
loves
some
creature
spiritually
. (
I
have
spoken
to
you
at
length
regarding
the
imperfections
of
such
souls
.)
Wherefore
,
when
such
a
soul
is
deprived
of
the
thing
she
loves
,
that
is
,
internal
or
external
consolation
,
the
internal
being
the
consolation
received
from
Me
,
the
external
being
that
which
she
had
from
the
creature
,
and
when
temptations
and
the
persecutions
of
men
come
on
her
,
her
heart
is
full
of
grief
.
And
,
as
soon
as
the
eye
feels
the
grief
and
suffering
of
the
heart
,
she
begins
to
weep
with
a
tender
and
compassionate
sorrow
,
pitying
herself
with
the
spiritual
compassion
of
self-love
;
for
her
self-will
is
not
yet
crushed
and
destroyed
in
everything
,
and
in
this
way
she
lets
fall
sensual
tears
--
tears
,
that
is
,
of
spiritual
passion
.
But
,
growing
,
and
exercising
herself
in
the
light
of
self-knowledge
,
she
conceives
displeasure
at
herself
and
finally
perfect
self-hatred
.
From
this
she
draws
true
knowledge
of
My
goodness
with
a
fire
of
love
,
and
she
begins
to
unite
herself
to
Me
,
and
to
conform
her
will
to
Mine
and
so
to
feel
joy
and
compassion
.
Joy
in
herself
through
the
affection
of
love
,
and
compassion
for
her
neighbor
,
as
I
told
you
in
speaking
of
the
third
stage
.
Immediately
her
eye
,
wishing
to
satisfy
the
heart
,
cries
with
hearty
love
for
Me
and
for
her
neighbor
,
grieving
solely
for
My
offense
and
her
neighbor
'
s
loss
,
and
not
for
any
penalty
or
loss
due
to
herself
;
for
she
does
not
think
of
herself
,
but
only
of
rendering
glory
and
praise
to
My
Name
,
and
,
in
an
ecstasy
of
desire
,
she
joyfully
takes
the
food
prepared
for
her
on
the
table
of
the
Holy
Cross
,
thus
conforming
herself
to
the
humble
,
patient
,
and
immaculate
Lamb
,
My
only-
begotten
Son
,
of
whom
I
made
a
Bridge
,
as
I
have
said
.
Having
thus
sweetly
traveled
by
that
Bridge
,
following
the
doctrine
of
My
sweet
Truth
,
enduring
with
true
and
sweet
patience
every
pain
and
trouble
which
I
have
permitted
to
be
inflicted
upon
her
for
her
salvation
,
having
manfully
received
them
all
,
not
choosing
them
according
to
her
own
tastes
,
but
accepting
them
according
to
Mine
,
and
not
only
,
as
I
said
,
enduring
them
with
patience
,
but
sustaining
them
with
joy
,
she
counts
it
glory
to
be
persecuted
for
My
Name
'
s
sake
in
whatever
she
may
have
to
suffer
.
Then
the
soul
arrives
at
such
delight
and
tranquillity
of
mind
that
no
tongue
can
tell
it
.
Having
crossed
the
river
by
means
of
the
Eternal
Word
,
that
is
,
by
the
doctrine
of
My
only-begotten
Son
,
and
,
having
fixed
the
eye
of
her
intellect
on
Me
,
the
Sweet
Supreme
Truth
,
having
seen
the
Truth
,
knows
it
;
and
knowing
it
,
loves
it
.
Drawing
her
affection
after
her
intellect
,
she
tastes
My
Eternal
Deity
,
and
she
knows
and
sees
the
Divine
nature
united
to
your
humanity
.
"
Then
she
reposes
in
Me
,
the
Sea
Pacific
,
and
her
heart
is
united
to
Me
in
love
,
as
I
told
you
when
speaking
of
the
fourth
and
unitive
state
.
When
she
thus
feels
Me
,
the
Eternal
Deity
,
her
eyes
let
fall
tears
of
sweetness
,
tears
indeed
of
milk
,
nourishing
the
soul
in
true
patience
;
an
odoriferous
ointment
are
these
tears
,
shedding
odors
of
great
sweetness
.
"
Oh
,
best
beloved
daughter
,
how
glorious
is
that
soul
who
has
indeed
been
able
to
pass
from
the
stormy
ocean
to
Me
,
the
Sea
Pacific
,
and
in
that
Sea
,
which
is
Myself
,
the
Supreme
and
Eternal
Deity
,
to
fill
the
pitcher
of
her
heart
.
And
her
eye
,
the
conduit
of
her
heart
,
endeavors
to
satisfy
her
heart-pangs
,
and
so
sheds
tears
.
This
is
the
last
stage
in
which
the
soul
is
blessed
and
sorrowful
.
"
Blessed
she
is
through
the
union
which
she
feels
herself
to
have
with
Me
,
tasting
the
divine
love
;
sorrowful
through
the
offenses
which
she
sees
done
to
My
goodness
and
greatness
,
for
she
has
seen
and
tasted
the
bitterness
of
this
in
her
self-knowledge
,
by
which
self-knowledge
,
together
with
her
knowledge
of
Me
,
she
arrived
at
the
final
stage
.
Yet
this
sorrow
is
no
impediment
to
the
unitive
state
,
which
produces
tears
of
great
sweetness
through
self-knowledge
,
gained
in
love
of
the
neighbor
,
in
which
exercise
the
soul
discovers
the
plaint
of
My
divine
mercy
,
and
grief
at
the
offenses
caused
to
her
neighbor
,
weeping
with
those
who
weep
,
and
rejoicing
with
those
who
rejoice
--
that
is
,
who
live
in
My
love
.
Over
these
the
soul
rejoices
,
seeing
glory
and
praise
rendered
Me
by
My
servants
,
so
that
the
third
kind
of
grief
does
not
prevent
the
fourth
,
that
is
,
the
final
grief
belonging
to
the
unitive
state
;
they
rather
give
savor
to
each
other
,
for
,
had
not
this
last
grief
(
in
which
the
soul
finds
such
union
with
Me
),
developed
from
the
grief
belonging
to
the
third
state
of
neighborly
love
,
it
would
not
be
perfect
.
Therefore
it
is
necessary
that
the
one
should
flavor
the
other
,
else
the
soul
would
come
to
a
state
of
presumption
,
induced
by
the
subtle
breeze
of
love
of
her
own
reputation
,
and
would
fall
at
once
,
vomited
from
the
heights
to
the
depths
.
Therefore
it
is
necessary
to
bear
with
others
and
practice
continually
love
to
one
'
s
neighbor
,
together
with
true
knowledge
of
oneself
.
"
In
this
way
will
she
feel
the
fire
of
My
love
in
herself
,
because
love
of
her
neighbor
is
developed
out
of
love
of
Me
--
that
is
,
out
of
that
learning
which
the
soul
obtained
by
knowing
herself
and
My
goodness
in
her
.
When
,
therefore
,
she
sees
herself
to
be
ineffably
loved
by
Me
,
she
loves
every
rational
creature
with
the
self-same
love
with
which
she
sees
herself
to
be
loved
.
And
,
for
this
reason
,
the
soul
that
knows
Me
immediately
expands
to
the
love
of
her
neighbor
,
because
she
sees
that
I
love
that
neighbor
ineffably
,
and
so
,
herself
,
loves
the
object
which
she
sees
Me
to
have
loved
still
more
.
She
further
knows
that
she
can
be
of
no
use
to
Me
and
can
in
no
way
repay
Me
that
pure
love
with
which
she
feels
herself
to
be
loved
by
Me
,
and
therefore
endeavors
to
repay
it
through
the
medium
which
I
have
given
her
,
namely
,
her
neighbor
,
who
is
the
medium
through
which
you
can
all
serve
Me
.
For
,
as
I
have
said
to
you
,
you
can
perform
all
virtues
by
means
of
your
neighbor
,
I
having
given
you
all
creatures
,
in
general
and
in
particular
,
according
to
the
diverse
graces
each
has
received
from
Me
,
to
be
ministered
unto
by
you
;
you
should
therefore
love
them
with
the
same
pure
love
with
which
I
have
loved
you
.
That
pure
love
cannot
be
returned
directly
to
Me
,
because
I
have
loved
you
without
being
Myself
loved
,
and
without
any
consideration
of
Myself
whatsoever
,
for
I
loved
you
without
being
loved
by
you
--
before
you
existed
;
it
was
,
indeed
,
love
that
moved
Me
to
create
you
to
My
own
image
and
similitude
.
This
love
you
cannot
repay
to
Me
,
but
you
can
pay
it
to
My
rational
creature
,
loving
your
neighbor
without
being
loved
by
him
and
without
consideration
of
your
own
advantage
,
whether
spiritual
or
temporal
,
but
loving
him
solely
for
the
praise
and
glory
of
My
Name
,
because
he
has
been
loved
by
Me
.
"
Thus
will
you
fulfill
the
commandment
of
the
law
,
to
love
Me
above
everything
,
and
your
neighbor
as
yourselves
.
"
True
indeed
is
it
that
this
height
cannot
be
reached
without
passing
through
the
second
stage
,
namely
the
second
stage
of
union
which
becomes
the
third
(
and
final
)
stage
.
Nor
can
it
be
preserved
when
it
has
been
reached
if
the
soul
abandon
the
affection
from
which
it
has
been
developed
,
the
affection
to
which
the
second
class
of
tears
belongs
.
It
is
therefore
impossible
to
fulfill
the
law
given
by
Me
,
the
Eternal
God
,
without
fulfilling
that
of
your
neighbor
,
for
these
two
laws
are
the
feet
of
your
affection
by
which
the
precepts
and
counsels
are
observed
,
which
were
given
you
,
as
I
have
told
you
,
by
My
Truth
,
Christ
crucified
.
These
two
states
united
nourish
your
soul
in
virtue
,
making
her
to
grow
in
the
perfection
of
virtue
and
in
the
unitive
state
.
Not
that
the
other
state
is
changed
because
this
further
state
has
been
reached
,
for
this
further
state
does
but
increase
the
riches
of
grace
in
new
and
various
gifts
and
admirable
elevations
of
the
mind
,
in
the
knowledge
of
the
truth
,
as
I
said
to
you
,
which
,
though
it
is
mortal
,
appears
immortal
because
the
soul
'
s
perception
of
her
own
sensuality
is
mortified
and
her
will
is
dead
through
the
union
which
she
has
attained
with
Me
.
"
Oh
,
how
sweet
is
the
taste
of
this
union
to
the
soul
,
for
,
in
tasting
it
,
she
sees
My
secrets
!
Wherefore
she
often
receives
the
spirit
of
prophecy
,
knowing
the
things
of
the
future
.
This
is
the
effect
of
My
Goodness
,
but
the
humble
soul
should
despise
such
things
,
not
indeed
in
so
far
as
they
are
given
her
by
My
love
,
but
in
so
far
as
she
desires
them
by
reason
of
her
appetite
for
consolation
,
considering
herself
unworthy
of
peace
and
quiet
of
mind
,
in
order
to
nourish
virtue
within
her
soul
.
In
such
a
case
let
her
not
remain
in
the
second
stage
,
but
return
to
the
valley
of
self-knowledge
.
I
give
her
this
light
,
My
grace
permitting
,
so
that
she
may
ever
grow
in
virtue
.
For
the
soul
is
never
so
perfect
in
this
life
that
she
cannot
attain
to
a
higher
perfection
of
love
.
My
only-begotten
Son
,
your
Captain
,
was
the
only
One
who
could
increase
in
no
perfection
,
because
He
was
one
thing
with
Me
,
and
I
with
Him
,
wherefore
His
soul
was
blessed
through
union
with
the
Divine
nature
.
But
do
you
,
His
pilgrim-members
,
be
ever
ready
to
grow
in
greater
perfection
,
not
indeed
to
another
stage
,
for
as
I
have
said
,
you
have
now
reached
the
last
,
but
to
that
further
grade
of
perfection
in
the
last
stage
,
which
may
please
you
by
means
of
My
Grace
."
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