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  1 1 |            heresy. He says that the Father Himself came down into the
  2 1 |          referring no doubt, to the Father "and in their hands they
  3 1 |     Paraclete, and he crucified the Father. Praxeas' tares had been
  4 2 |           course of time, then, the Father forsooth was born, and the
  5 2 |          forsooth was born, and the Father suffered,God Himself, the
  6 2 |            to have been sent by the Father into the Virgin, and to
  7 2 |            been raised again by the Father and taken back to heaven,
  8 2 |            at the right hand of the Father, and that He will come to
  9 2 |           also from heaven from the Father, according to His own promise,
 10 2 |            those who believe in the Father, and in the Son, and in
 11 2 |             than by saying that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost
 12 2 |         order the three Persons the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost:
 13 2 |     reckoned, under the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of
 14 3 |             closely joined with the Father in His substance, when He
 15 3 |            naturally members of the Father's own substance, pledges
 16 4 |           from the substance of the Father, and (represent Him) as
 17 4 |           doing nothing without the Father's will, and as having received
 18 4 |         received all power from the Father, how can I be possibly destroying
 19 4 |             committed to Him by the Father? The same remark (I wish
 20 4 |          other source than from the Father through the Son. Look to
 21 4 |            restore it entire to the Father; even as the apostle says
 22 4 |            kingdom to God, even the Father; for He must reign till
 23 4 |             will be restored to the Father by the Son. No one, therefore,
 24 4 |             committed to Him by the Father, and by and by has to be
 25 4 |          delivered up by Him to the Father. Now, from this one passage
 26 4 |       already able to show that the Father and the Son are two separate
 27 4 |             their separate names as Father and the Son, but also by
 28 5 |             OR WORD OF GOD FROM THE FATHER BY A DIVINE PROCESSION.
 29 5 |             be but One, so that the Father shall be deemed to be the
 30 7 |           His own heart even as the Father Himself testifies: "My heart,"
 31 7 |           most excellent Word." The father took pleasure evermore in
 32 7 |          reciprocal gladness in the Father's presence: "Thou art my
 33 7 |           likewise acknowledges the Father, speaking in His own person,
 34 7 |       constituted second to God the Father,) to make two, the Father
 35 7 |           Father,) to make two, the Father and the Son, God and the
 36 7 |        distinction as second to the Father.~
 37 8 |            OF GOD EMANATES FROM THE FATHER, HE IS NOT, LIKE THE EMANATIONS
 38 8 |      VALENTINUS, SEPARABLE FROM THE FATHER. NOR IS THE HOLY GHOST SEPARABLE
 39 8 |          the AEon does not know the Father: he longs, indeed, to know
 40 8 |             the Son alone knows the Father, and has Himself unfolded "
 41 8 |           has Himself unfolded "the Father's bosom." He has also heard
 42 8 |            seen all things with the Father; and what He has been commanded
 43 8 |           has been commanded by the Father, that also does He speak.
 44 8 |           not His own will, but the Father's, which He has accomplished,
 45 8 |    therefore, is both always in the Father, as He says, "I am in the
 46 8 |            as He says, "I am in the Father;" and is always with God,
 47 8 |             never separate from the Father, or other than the Father,
 48 8 |           Father, or other than the Father, since "I and the Father
 49 8 |            Father, since "I and the Father are one." This will be the
 50 8 |             is a prolation from the Father, without being separated
 51 8 |           call God and His Word the Father and His Son two. For the
 52 8 |      Trinity, flowing down from the Father through intertwined and
 53 9 |            by it I testify that the Father, and the Son, and the Spirit
 54 9 |            my assertion is that the Father is one, and the Son one,
 55 9 |        imply a separation among the Father, and the Son, and the Spirit.
 56 9 |             for the identity of the Father and Son and Spirit, that
 57 9 |            the Son differs from the Father, but by distribution: it
 58 9 |            distinction; because the Father is not the same as the Son,
 59 9 |             of their being. For the Father is the entire substance,
 60 9 |           Himself acknowledges: "My Father is greater than I." In the
 61 9 |          than the angels." Thus the Father is distinct from the Son,
 62 9 |           He says, "I will pray the Father, and He shall send you another
 63 9 |           is also distinct from the Father; so that He showed a third
 64 9 |          have the distinct names of Father and San amount to a declaration
 65 10|                X. THE VERY NAMES OF FATHER AND SON PROVE THE PERSONAL
 66 10|       MONARCHY.~So it is either the Father or the Son, and the day
 67 10|            as the night; nor is the Father the same as the Son, in
 68 10|             a Son to Himself. Now a Father makes a Son, and a Son makes
 69 10|            a Son, and a Son makes a Father; and they who thus become
 70 10|             to themselves, that the Father can make Himself a Son to
 71 10|            the Son render Himself a Father to Himself. And the relations
 72 10|          them does He also guard. A father must needs have a son, in
 73 10|             a son, in order to be a father; so likewise a son, to be
 74 10|            to be a son, must have a father. It is, however, one thing
 75 10|            manner, in order to be a father, I have a son, for I never
 76 10|         order to be a son, I have a father, it being impossible for
 77 10|            for me ever to be my own father. And it is these relations
 78 10|             them: I shall then be a father, when I have a son; and
 79 10|            and a son, when I have a father. Now, if I am to be to myself
 80 10|             myself to be: neither a father, because I am to be my own
 81 10|           because I am to be my own father; nor a son, because I shall
 82 10|        myself my son, who am also a father, I now cease to have a son,
 83 10|             own son, how can I be a father? For I ought to have a son,
 84 10|             a son, in order to be a father. Therefore I am not a son,
 85 10|           son, because I have not a father, who makes a son. In like
 86 10|           manner, if I am myself my father, who am also a son, I no
 87 10|             son, I no longer have a father, but am myself my father.
 88 10|            father, but am myself my father. By not having a father,
 89 10|             father. By not having a father, however, since I am my
 90 10|          however, since I am my own father, how can I be a son? For
 91 10|          son? For I ought to have a father, in order to be a son. I
 92 10|             I cannot therefore be a father, because I have not a son,
 93 10|         have not a son, who makes a father. Now all this must be the
 94 10| acknowledged, so that He is not the Father, since indeed He has not
 95 10|          like manner He has not the Father: for while He is the Father,
 96 10|         Father: for while He is the Father, He will not be the Son.
 97 10|           but they hold neither the Father nor the Son. Well, but "
 98 10|          God to make Himself both a Father and a Son, contrary to the
 99 10|             necessary also that the Father should be crucified. In
100 11|             XI. THE IDENTITY OF THE FATHER AND THESON, AS PRAXEAS HELD
101 11|         Word has proceeded from the Father Himself, He will then be
102 11|          whom He proceeded. For the Father Himself did not proceed
103 11|           Now, you who say that the Father is the same as the Son,
104 11|     Scriptures show the Son and the Father to be the same, just as
105 11|             just as on our side the Father and the Son are demonstrated
106 11|       advance the passage where the Father said to the Son, "Thou art
107 11|          believe Him to be both the Father and the Son, show me some
108 11|     declared Himself to be both the Father and the Son? Of one thing
109 11|        other utterances also of the Father concerning the Son by the
110 11|           utterances respecting the Father: "The Spirit of the Lord
111 11|             Himself likewise to the Father in the Psalm: "Forsake me
112 11|          Son as conversing with the Father that is, represent Christ (
113 11|          the Spirit speaking of the Father and the Son, in the character
114 11|             prophet, He says to the Father respecting the Son: "Lord,
115 11|         Himself who speaks, and the Father to whom He speaks, and the
116 11|            in some cases are to the Father or to the Son respecting
117 11|          cases to the Son or to the Father concerning the Father, and
118 11|           the Father concerning the Father, and again in other instances
119 12|          because He was at once the Father, the Son, and the Spirit,
120 13|           us to understand that the Father is Lord, and the Son also
121 13|             Two Beings are God, the Father and the Son, and, with the
122 13|           number, in order that the Father may not, as you perversely
123 13|             it were untrue that the Father is God, and the Son is God,
124 13|         must have followed that the Father should Himself seem to have
125 13|           being the second from the Father, and with the Spirit the
126 13|       declaring and manifesting the Father more fully (than He had
127 13|             is suitable both to the Father, and to the Son, and to
128 13|             apostle; so that if the Father and the Son, are alike to
129 13|           invoked, I shall call the Father "God," and invoke Jesus
130 13|            God and His Word, as the Father and the Son.~
131 14|         NATURAL INVISIBILITY OF THE FATHER, AND THE VISIBILITY OF THE
132 14|             when we insist upon the Father and the Son as being Two,
133 14|    invisible we must understand the Father in the fulness of His majesty,
134 14|         claiming one nature for the Father and the Son, to affirm that
135 14|             Son, to affirm that the Father is rather One and the Same
136 14|        Himself indeed the invisible Father in the name of the Son.
137 14|           and the same, just as the Father and the Son are the same; (
138 14|         that He is invisible as the Father, and visible as the Son.
139 14|   inapplicable to the Son, when the Father is set aside in His own
140 14|              He calls the invisible Father His face. For who is the
141 14|            His face. For who is the Father? Must He not be the face
142 14|      obtains as the begotten of the Father? For is there not a natural
143 14|             me his countenance? "My Father," says Christ, "is greater
144 14|      greater than I." Therefore the Father must be the face of the
145 14|         Christ is the Spirit of the Father's person, there is good
146 14|        belonged that is to say, the Father pronounced Him to be His "
147 14|         astonishing thing, that the Father can be taken to be the face
148 15|      VISIBILITY CONTRASTED WITH THE FATHER'S INVISIBILITY.~If I fail
149 15|        straightway attribute to the Father every possible (relation
150 15|          Christ is Himself both the Father and the Son, how can He
151 15|        flesh; so that He who as the Father was invisible before the
152 15|            being none else than the Father, even Him to whom the Word
153 15|             beginning with God" the Father, and not the Father with
154 15|             the Father, and not the Father with the Word. For although
155 15|             and being joined to the Father, is with the Father. "And
156 15|             the Father, is with the Father. "And we have seen His glory,
157 15|            the only begotten of the Father; " that is, of course, (
158 15|          glorified by the invisible Father. And therefore, inasmuch
159 15|     pretended) that he had seen the Father Himself and in order to
160 15|   distinction between the invisible Father and the visible Son, he
161 15|           mean? It is of course the Father, with whom was the Word,
162 15|          who is in the bosom of the Father, and has Himself declared
163 15|              but yet he saw not the Father. "Have I not," he says, "
164 15|           was called Christ. Of the Father, however, he says to Timothy: "
165 15|          the Son, had only seen the Father, they must have died then
166 15|           authority and will of the Father; because "the Son can do
167 15|      Himself, but what He seeth the Father do" "do" that is, in His
168 15|           mind and thought. For the Father acts by mind and thought;
169 15|       whilst the Son, who is in the Father's mind and thought, gives
170 16|          been done by God. For "the Father who loveth the Son, and
171 16|            to whom "is given by the Father all power in heaven and
172 16|          heaven and on earth." "The Father judgeth no man, but hath
173 16|           dispensation "made by the Father a little less than the angels."
174 16|            are imputing to the very Father Himself, when you pretend
175 16|            the Son, in fact, by the Father? Moreover, how comes it
176 16|           have been believed of the Father, even if they had been given
177 16|          Son, they believe that the Father Himself was actually seen,
178 16|         uniformly one God, even the Father, who at all times did Himself
179 17|          WOULD HAVE IT, ONLY TO THE FATHER.~They more readily supposed
180 17|           readily supposed that the Father acted in the Son's name,
181 17|           that the Son acted in the Father's; although the Lord says
182 17|           Himself, "I am come in my Father's name;" and even to the
183 17|            s name;" and even to the Father He declares, "I have manifested
184 17|           is to say, the Son in the Father's name. And as for the Father'
185 17|       Father's name. And as for the Father's names, God Almighty, the
186 17|        things," says He, "which the Father hath are mine." Then why
187 17|       because all things are by the Father made subject to Him; is
188 17|          Christ belongs also to the Father, they shall hear (what I
189 18|           OF GOD. THE SON IS IN THE FATHER.~But what hinders them from
190 18|    perceiving this community of the Father's titles in the Son, is
191 18|          are One and the Same, both Father and Son. Now the Scripture
192 18|           shows that there are Two, Father and Son; and is consistent
193 18|          the Son; because it is the Father who is acknowledged in the
194 18|          first place, and after the Father the Son is named. Therefore "
195 18|              there is one God," the Father, "and without Him there
196 18|           is not different from the Father. Indeed, if you only look
197 18|            and inseparable from the Father, so is He to be reckoned
198 18|            reckoned as being in the Father, even when He is not named.
199 18|         attested His own unity, the Father took care of the Son's interests,
200 19|           THE SON IN UNION WITH THE FATHER IN THE CREATION OF ALL THINGS.
201 19|          only knows the mind of the Father. "For who knoweth the things
202 19|             alone ministered to the Father's work. It must also be
203 19|            He was sent forth by the Father. The Father, however, has
204 19|            forth by the Father. The Father, however, has no beginning,
205 19|            have determined that the Father and the Son must be regarded
206 19|             Person, second from the Father, lest, being thus second,
207 19|            but that they are two as Father and Son; and this not by
208 19|            and inseparable from the Father, distinct in degree, not
209 19|             from His union with the Father.~
210 20|         answer to Philip, "I and my Father are one;" and, "He that
211 20|          hath seen me hath seen the Father; and I am in the Father,
212 20|             Father; and I am in the Father, and the Father in me."
213 20|           am in the Father, and the Father in me." They would have
214 21|             JOHN'S GOSPEL, THAT THE FATHER AND SON ARE CONSTANTLY SPOKEN
215 21|          the Son of God, not as the Father); One through whom were
216 21|            the only-begotten of the Father;'' not, (observe,) as of
217 21|           not, (observe,) as of the Father. He "declared" (what was
218 21|           was in) "the bosom of the Father alone;" the Father did not
219 21|           of the Father alone;" the Father did not divulge the secrets
220 21|           that he had perceived the Father "but the Father which is
221 21|       perceived the Father "but the Father which is in heaven." By
222 21|             the Son of God; and the Father in heaven, who had revealed
223 21|           temple, He called it "His Father's house," speaking as the
224 21|             of Jesus, he said: "The Father loveth the Son, and hath
225 21|         course, that He was not the Father, but the Son; and elsewhere
226 21|            Son of God," and not the Father. He says, therefore," My
227 21|            of the impotent man, "My Father worketh hitherto, and I
228 21|          hitherto, and I work." "My Father and I" these are the Son'
229 21|            He said that God was His Father, thus making Himself equal
230 21|      Himself, but what He seeth the Father do; for what things soever
231 21|           the Son likewise. For the Father loveth the Son, and showeth
232 21|           ye may marvel. For as the Father raiseth up the dead and
233 21|    quickeneth whom He will. For the Father judgeth no man, but hath
234 21|             even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the
235 21|          the Son, honoureth not the Father, who hath sent the Son.
236 21|         they shall live. For as the Father hath eternal life in Himself,
237 21|             for the works which the Father hath given me to finish
238 21|         bear witness of me that the Father hath sent me. And the Father
239 21|        Father hath sent me. And the Father Himself, which hath sent
240 21|         former times it was not the Father, but the Son, who used to
241 21|           at last: "I am come in my Father's name, and ye have not
242 21|             be "the bread which the Father sent from heaven;" and adds,
243 21|            adds, that "all that the Father gave Him should come to
244 21|           will, but the will of the Father; and that the will of the
245 21|            and that the will of the Father was that every one who saw
246 21|             come to Him, except the Father attracted him; whereas every
247 21|             heard and learnt of the Father came to Him." He goes on
248 21|          that any man hath seen the Father;" thus showing us that it
249 21|             through the Word of the Father that men were instructed
250 21|         they believe) Him to be the Father, or the Christ of the Father?~
251 21|        Father, or the Christ of the Father?~
252 22|             DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE FATHER AND THE SON. EVEN PRAXEAS'
253 22|      PRAXEAS' CLASSIC TEXT I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE SHOWN TO BE AGAINST
254 22|   astonished? Was it His own or the Father's? So, when they were in
255 22|            Christ (not as being the Father, of course but as the Son),
256 22|         these words, "but I and the Father that sent me," does He not
257 22|          witness of myself; and the Father (is another,) who hath sent
258 22|           once both the Son and the Father He certainly would not have
259 22|            they asked Him where His Father was, He answered them, that
260 22|             neither Himself nor the Father; and in this answer He plainly
261 22|           they would have known the Father also," this certainly does
262 22|            that He was Himself both Father and Son; but that, by reason
263 22|        spake to them concerning the Father," although they ought certainly
264 22|    certainly to have known that the Father's words were uttered in
265 22|           own self; but that, as my Father hath taught me, so I speak,
266 22|           which I have seen with my Father, and ye do that which ye
267 22|        which ye have seen with your father;" "but now ye seek to kill
268 22|            again, "If God were your Father, ye would love me, for I
269 22|            proceeded forth from the Father. Some persons indeed seize
270 22|            a devil, but I honour my Father;" again, "If I honour myself,
271 22|         honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me, of whom
272 22|            He goes on to say, "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see
273 22|          proves that it was not the Father that appeared to Abraham,
274 22|            must do the works of the Father which had sent Him;" and
275 22|             that He is known by the Father, and the Father by Him;
276 22|        known by the Father, and the Father by Him; adding that He was
277 22|          was so wholly loved by the Father, that He was laying down
278 22|           this commandment from the Father. When He was asked by the
279 22|             the Jews expect not the Father Himself, but the Christ
280 22|         being nowhere said that the Father will come as the Christ),
281 22|             which I am doing, in my Father's name, they actually bear
282 22|           of His hand, He says, "My Father, which gave them to me,
283 22|           immediately, "I am and my Father are one." Here, then, they
284 22|             of Two Beings "I and my Father;" then that there is a plural
285 22|       conjunction, affection on the Father's part, who loves the Son,
286 22|            the Son's, who obeys the Father's will. When He says, "I
287 22|             When He says, "I and my Father are one" in essence Unum
288 22|            them many works from the Father," for none of which did
289 22|           God Himself, that is, the Father, by having said, "I and
290 22|           by having said, "I and my Father are One," representing Himself
291 22|         representing Himself as the Father's divine Son, and not as
292 22|              say ye of Him whom the Father hath sanctified and sent
293 22|            I do not the works of my Father, believe me not; but if
294 22|           and know that I am in the Father, and the Father in me."
295 22|           am in the Father, and the Father in me." It must therefore
296 22|            be by the works that the Father is in the Son, and the Son
297 22|             Son, and the Son in the Father; and so it is by the works
298 22|         that we understand that the Father is one with the Son. All
299 23|         heaven, and, addressing the Father, said as the Son, of course: "
300 23|             as the Son, of course: "Father, I thank Thee that Thou
301 23|            said: "What shall I say? Father, save me from this hour:
302 23|          come to this hour; only, O Father, do Thou glorify Thy name"
303 23|           He said: "I am come in my Father's name." Accordingly, the
304 23|              when addressed) to the Father. But, behold, with an abundance (
305 23|         abundance (of evidence) the Father from heaven replies, for
306 23|          Son on earth, you have the Father in heaven. Now this is not
307 23|            Dispensation itself, the Father willed that the Son should
308 23|            made supplication of the Father; whither also He taught
309 23|           ourselves, and pray, "Our Father which art in heaven," etc.,
310 23|            present. This heaven the Father willed to be His own throne;
311 23|             request from earth, the Father gives His promise from heaven.
312 23|          you make liars of both the Father and the Son? If either the
313 23|          and the Son? If either the Father spake from heaven to the
314 23|            or the Son prayed to the Father when He was Himself the
315 23|           self, by asking it of the Father, since the Son was the Father?
316 23|       Father, since the Son was the Father? Or, on the other hand,
317 23|            hand, how is it that the Father made a promise to Himself,
318 23|            it to the Son, since the Father was the Son? Were we even
319 23|             may believe both in the Father and in the Son, severally,
320 23|             that men believe in the Father, while the Father also is
321 23|            in the Father, while the Father also is the authority whence
322 23|         spoken from myself, but the Father which sent me: He hath given
323 23|        actually speak. "Even as the Father hath said unto me, so do
324 23|       passover, Jesus knew that the Father had given all things into
325 23|             have it that it was the Father who proceeded forth from
326 23|          not of the Son, but of the Father Himself. But for the matter
327 23|             God?" Certainly not the Father, but the Word of the Father,
328 23|         Father, but the Word of the Father, who was in the Son of man
329 23|       Himself;" that is to say, the Father shall glorify the Son, because
330 24|         HATH SEEN ME, HATH SEEN THE FATHER. THIS TEXT EXPLAINED IN
331 24|              no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known
332 24|             ye would have known the Father also: but henceforth ye
333 24|           expectation of seeing the Father, and not understanding in
334 24|             was to take "seeing the Father," says: "Show us the Father,
335 24|         Father," says: "Show us the Father, and it sufficeth us." Then
336 24|           discussion. Was it as the Father that they ought to have
337 24|           the Son? If it was as the Father, Praxeas must tell us how
338 24|           supposed to have been the Father. He is clearly defined to
339 24|           Himself; nay, by the very Father also, who openly confesses
340 24|          them whenever He named the Father, and gave preference to
341 24|          and gave preference to the Father, and honoured the Father.
342 24|            Father, and honoured the Father. This, then, being the case,
343 24|            the case, it was not the Father whom, after His lengthened
344 24|          hath seen me hath seen the Father," even in the same in which
345 24|         previous passage, "I and my Father are one." Wherefore? Because "
346 24|      Because "I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world"
347 24|              no man cometh unto the Father, but by me;" and, "No man
348 24|          can come to me, except the Father draw him;" and, "All things
349 24|            delivered unto me by the Father;" and, "As the Father quickeneth (
350 24|           the Father;" and, "As the Father quickeneth (the dead), so
351 24|             ye would have known the Father also." "For in all these
352 24|             shown Himself to be the Father's Commissioner," through
353 24|       through whose agency even the Father could be seen in His works,
354 24|             s administration of the Father's words and deeds. The Father
355 24|       Father's words and deeds. The Father indeed was invisible, as
356 24|             for desiring to see the Father, as if He were a visible
357 24|            If, indeed, He meant the Father to be understood as the
358 24|           He who seeth me seeth the Father," how is it that He adds
359 24|           thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?"
360 24|           am in the Father, and the Father in me?" He ought rather
361 24|    Believest thou not that I am the Father?" With what view else did
362 24|           thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me,"
363 24|           am in the Father, and the Father in me," He laid the greater
364 24|         hath seen me, hath seen the Father," be supposed to be the
365 24|               be supposed to be the Father; because He had never wished
366 24|           and to have come from the Father. And then He also set the
367 24|           entertained of seeing the Father as if He were separately
368 24|           the representative of the Father. And yet He omitted not
369 24|      omitted not to explain how the Father was in the Son and the Son
370 24|          the Son and the Son in the Father. "The words," says He, "
371 24|        because indeed they were the Father's words; "but the Father
372 24|            Father's words; "but the Father that dwelleth in me, He
373 24|           of His doctrine, that the Father who dwells in the Son makes
374 24|          that He says, "I am in the Father, and the Father is in me."
375 24|           am in the Father, and the Father is in me." Accordingly He
376 24|       Believe " What? That I am the Father? I do not find that it is
377 24|           rather, "that I am in the Father, and the Father in me; or
378 24|           am in the Father, and the Father in me; or else believe me
379 24|            those works by which the Father manifested Himself to be
380 25|             HE IS DISTINCT FROM THE FATHER AND THE SON AS TO THEIR
381 25|            kind, distinguishing the Father and the Son, with the properties
382 25|         promises to pray for to the Father, and to send from heaven
383 25|        after He had ascended to the Father. He is called "another Comforter,"
384 25|             Himself received of the Father's. Thus the connection of
385 25|          Thus the connection of the Father in the Son, and of the Son
386 25|            as it is said, "I and my Father are One,"in respect of]
387 25|          whom you believe to be the Father (described as acting for
388 25|         described as acting for the Father, although you, for your
389 25|         forsooth, suppose that "the Father, being the husbandman,"
390 25|             the safe-keeping of the Father. We have, moreover, in that
391 25|          Son's distinction from the Father, "My God, why hast Thou
392 25|              in the third Gospel,) "Father, into Thy hands I commend
393 25|           have shown Himself as the Father to so faithful a woman (
394 25|           am not yet ascended to my Father; but go to my brethren" (
395 25|              for if He had been the Father, He would have called them
396 25|         unto them, I ascend unto my Father and your Father, and to
397 25|             unto my Father and your Father, and to my God and your
398 25|          this mean, I ascend as the Father to the Father, and as God
399 25|         ascend as the Father to the Father, and as God to God? Or as
400 25|           God? Or as the Son to the Father, and as the Word to God?
401 25|     demonstrate the identity of the Father and the Son, supposing that
402 25|            that Jesus Christ is the Father, but the Son.~
403 26|         DISTINCT PERSONALITY OF THE FATHER AND THE SON.~In addition
404 26|             that I must be about my Father's business?" Satan likewise
405 26|          the Holy Son of God." His "Father" He Himself adores. When
406 26|          spirit when He says to the Father, "I thank Thee, O Father,
407 26|            Father, "I thank Thee, O Father, because Thou hast hid these
408 26|          also that to no man is the Father known, but to His Son; and
409 26|             that, as the Son of the Father, He will confess those who
410 26|            who deny Him, before His Father. He also introduces a parable
411 26|        vineyard of the Son (not the Father), who was sent after so
412 26|      husbandmen, and avenged by the Father. He is also ignorant of
413 26|         hour, which is known to the Father only. He awards the kingdom
414 26|         appointed to Himself by the Father. He has power to ask, if
415 26|          legions of angels from the Father for His help. He exclaims
416 26|        spirit into the hands of the Father. After His resurrection
417 26|             them the promise of His Father; and lastly, He commands
418 26|            them to baptize into the Father and the Son and the Holy
419 27|              THE DISTINCTION OF THE FATHER AND THE SON, THUS ESTABLISHED,
420 27|             distinction between the Father and the Son, which we maintain
421 27|       Person, they distinguish two, Father and Son, understanding the
422 27|              that is Jesus; and the Father to be spirit, that is God,
423 27|           while contending that the Father and the Son are one and
424 27|          will be different from the Father, because the Son is Jesus,
425 27|           the Son is Jesus, and the Father is Christ. Such a monarchy
426 27|         Highest, whom they make the Father; whereas these relations
427 27|   established it by the will of the Father." Now what Divine Person
428 27|             Word by the will of the Father. The Word, therefore, is
429 27|   established it by the will of the Father," certainly in all respects
430 27|             insist upon it that the Father Himself is the Spirit, on
431 28|              XXVIII. CHRIST NOT THE FATHER, AS PRAXEAS SAID. THE INCONSISTENCY
432 28|           you make Christ to be the Father, without once considering
433 28|       suppose that Vestitus was the Father? Now then, concerning Christ,
434 28|            Christ, if Christ is the Father, the Father is an Anointed
435 28|           Christ is the Father, the Father is an Anointed One, and
436 28|              He was anointed by the Father. Christ therefore must be
437 28|             who was anointed by the Father, and not the Father, who
438 28|             the Father, and not the Father, who anointed the Son. To
439 28|             in the name of His (the Father's,) Son Jesus Christ, that "
440 28|          fellowship may be with the Father, and with His Son Jesus
441 28|       everywhere speaks of "God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ."
442 28|            Jesus Christ and God the Father." You possess indeed all
443 28|           and set forth Two God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ,
444 28|        Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father. (They also testify) that
445 28|            must be the Son, not the Father. How blind, to be sure,
446 28|      implied, if he ascribes to the Father this name of Christ! For
447 28|            For if Christ is God the Father, when He says, "I ascend
448 28|             says, "I ascend unto my Father and your Father, and to
449 28|             unto my Father and your Father, and to my God and your
450 28|            is above Himself another Father and another God. If, again,
451 28|         another God. If, again, the Father is Christ, He must be some
452 28|          the Lord who speaks to the Father of Christ must be a distinct
453 28|             different from the dead Father, or even from the quickened
454 28|             even from the quickened Father, if Christ who died is the
455 28|           if Christ who died is the Father.~
456 29|           WAS CHRIST THAT DIED, THE FATHER IS INCAPABLE OF SUFFERING
457 29|         Christ died, the Son of the Father; and let this suffice, because
458 29|            allege not only that the Father died, but that He died the
459 29|               but certainly not the Father); since, however, you convert
460 29|             convert Christ into the Father, you are chargeable with
461 29|          with blasphemy against the Father. But when we assert that
462 29|            this principle, too, the Father was not associated in suffering
463 29|        direct blasphemy against the Father, hope to diminish it by
464 29|            grant us so far that the Father and the Son are Two; adding
465 29|             indeed who suffers, the Father is only His fellow-sufferer.
466 29|            with another? Now if the Father is incapable of suffering,
467 29|  fellow-suffering. Then, again, the Father is as incapable of fellow-suffering
468 29|        could the Son suffer, if the Father did not suffer with Him?
469 29|         with Him? My answer is, The Father is separate from the Son,
470 29|             could not suffer in the Father, the fountain of the Godhead,
471 29|           not have suffered, as the Father. But it is enough for me
472 29|        quite another matter for the Father to suffer with the Son in
473 30|             SON WAS FORSAKEN BY THE FATHER UPON THE CROSS. THE TRUE
474 30|           ASCENSION, SESSION AT THE FATHER'S RIGHT HAND, AND MISSION
475 30|             being "forsaken" by the Father, and the Father consequently
476 30|              by the Father, and the Father consequently suffered nothing,
477 30|              or else, if it was the Father who suffered, then to what
478 30|             to this effect: "If the Father spa. red not His own Son."
479 30|           In all other respects the Father did not forsake the Son,
480 30|            Son, for it was into His Father's hands that the Son commended
481 30|           His being forsaken by the Father. The Son, then, both dies
482 30|           earth. "He sitteth at the Father's right hand " not the Father
483 30|       Father's right hand " not the Father at His own. He is seen by
484 30|          continue to sit, until the Father shall make His enemies His
485 30|            He has received from the Father the promised gift, and has
486 30|           truth," such as is in the Father, and the Son, and the Holy
487 31|       Baptist, if thenceforward the Father, the Son, and the Spirit
488 31|            Antichrists who deny the Father and the Son." For they deny
489 31|             Son." For they deny the Father, when they say that He is
490 31|           Him to be the same as the Father, by assigning to Them things
491 31|            the Son of God" (not the Father), "God dwelleth in him,