Book II.
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1. Here, if any
means could be found, I should
wish to
converse thus with all those who
hate the
name of
Christ,
turning aside for a
little from the
defence primarily set up:-If you
think it no
dishonour to
answer when
asked a
question,
explain to us and
say what is the
cause, what the
reason, that you
pursue Christ with so
bitter hostility? or what
offences you
remember which He did, that at the
mention of His
name you are
roused to
bursts of
mad and
savage fury? Did He ever, in
claiming for Himself
power as
king,
fill the whole
world with
bands of the
fiercest soldiers; and of
nations at
peace from the beginning, did He
destroy and
put an end to some, and
compel others to
submit to His
yoke and
serve Him? Did He ever,
excited by
grasping avarice,
claim as His own by
right all that
wealth to have
abundance of which
men strive eagerly? Did He ever,
transported with
lustful passions,
break down by
force the
barriers of
purity, or
stealthily lie in
wait for other
men's
wives? Did He ever,
puffed up with
haughty arrogance,
inflict at
random injuries and
insults, without any
distinction of
persons? (
B) And He was not
worthy that you should
listen to and
believe Him, yet He should not have been
despised by you even on this
account, that He
showed to you
things concerning your
salvation, that He
prepared for you a
path to
heaven, and the
immortality for which you
long; although He neither
extended the
light of
life to all, nor
delivered all from the
danger which
threatens them through their
ignorance.
2. But indeed, some one will
say, He
deserved our
hatred because He has
driven religion from the
world, because He has
kept men back from
seeking to
honour the
gods. Is He then
denounced as the
destroyer of
religion and
promoter of
impiety, who
brought true religion into the
world, who
opened the
gates of
piety to
men blind and
verily living in
impiety, and
pointed out to whom they should
bow themselves? Or is there any
truer religion-one more
serviceable,
powerful, and
right-than to have
learned to
know the
supreme God, to
know how to
pray to
God Supreme, who alone is the
source and
fountain of all
good, the
creator,
founder, and
framer of all that
endures, by whom all
things on
earth and all in
heaven are
quickened, and
filled with the
stir of
life, and without whom there would
assuredly be nothing to
bear any
name, and have any
substance? But perhaps you
doubt whether there is that
ruler of whom we
speak, and rather
incline to
believe in the
existence of
Apollo,
Diana,
Mercury,
Mars,
Give a
true judgment; and,
looking round on all these
things which we
see, any one will rather
doubt whether all the other
gods exist, than
hesitate with
regard to the
God whom we all
know by
nature, whether when we
cry out,
O God, or when we make
God the
witness of
wicked deeds, and
raise our
face to
heaven as though He
saw us.
3. But He did not
permit men to make
supplication to the
lesser gods. Do you, then,
know who are, or where are the
lesser gods? Has
mistrust of them, or the
way in which they were
mentioned, ever
touched you, so that you are
justly indignant that their
worship has been done away with and
deprived of all
honour? But if
haughtiness of
mind and
arrogance, as it is
called by the
Greeks, did not
stand in your
way and
hinder you, you might
long ago have been
able to
understand what He
forbade to be done, or
wherefore; within what
limits He would have
true religion lie; what
danger arose to you from that which you
thought obedience? or from what
evils you would
escape if you
broke away from your
dangerous delusion.
4. But all these
things will be more
clearly and
distinctly noticed when we have
proceeded further. For we shall
show that
Christ did not
teach the
nations impiety, but
delivered ignorant and
wretched then from those who most
wickedly wronged them. We do not
believe, you
say, that what He
says is
true. What, then? Have you no
doubt as to the
things which you
say are not
true, while, as they are only at
hand, and not yet
disclosed they can by no
means be
disproved? But He, too, does not
prove what He
promises. It is so; for, as I
said, there can be no
proof of
things still in the
future. Since, then, the
nature of the
future is such that it cannot be
grasped and
comprehended by any
anticipation, is it not more
rational, of
two things uncertain and
hanging in
doubtful suspense, rather to
believe that which
carries with it some
hopes, than that which
brings none at all? For in the one
case there is no
danger, if that which is
said to be at
hand should
prove vain and
groundless; in the other there is the
greatest loss, even the
loss of
salvation, if, when the
time has
come, it be
shown that there was nothing
false in what was
declared.
5. What
say you,
O ignorant ones, for whom we might well
weep and be
sad? Are you so
void of
fear that these
things may be
true which are
despised by you and
turned to
ridicule? and do you not
consider with yourselves at least, in your
secret thoughts,
lest that which
to-day with
perverse obstinacy you
refuse to
believe,
time may too
late show to be
true, and
ceaseless remorse punish you? Do not even these
proofs at least
give you
faith to
believe,
viz., that already, in so
short and
brief a
time, the
oaths of this
vast army have
spread abroad over all the
earth? that already there is no
nation so
rude and
fierce that it has not,
changed by His
love,
subdued its
fierceness, and with
tranquillity hitherto unknown, become
mild m disposition? that
men endowed with so
great abilities,
orators,
critics,
rhetoricians,
lawyers, and
physicians, those, too, who
pry into the
mysteries of
philosophy,
seek to
learn these
things,
despising those in which but now they
trusted? that
slaves choose to be
tortured by their
masters as they
please,
wives to be
divorced,
children to be
disinherited by their
parents, rather than be
unfaithful to
Christ and
cast off the
oaths of the
warfare of
salvation? that although so
terrible punishments have been
denounced by you against those who
follow the
precepts of this
religion, it
increases even more, and a
great host strives more
boldly against all
threats and the
terrors which would
keep it
back, and is
roused to
zealous faith by the very
attempt to
hinder it? Do you indeed
believe that these
things happen idly and at
random? that these
feelings are
adopted on
being met with by
chance? Is not this, then,
sacred and
divine? Or do you
believe that, without
God's
grace, their
minds are so
changed, that although
murderous hooks and other
tortures without
number threaten, as we
said, those who shall
believe, they
receive the
grounds of
faith with which they have become
acquainted, as if
carried away (A) by some
charm, and by an
eager longing for all the
virtues, and
prefer the
friendship of
Christ to all that is in the
world?
6. But perhaps those seem to you
weak-minded and
silly, who even now are
uniting all over the
world, and
joining together to
assent with that
readiness of
belief at which you
mock. What then? Do you alone,
imbued with the
true power of
wisdom and
understanding,
see something
wholly different and
profound? Do you alone
perceive that all these
things are
trifles? you alone, that those
things are
mere words and
childish absurdities which we
declare are about to
come to us from the
supreme Ruler? Whence,
pray, has so much
wisdom been
given to you? whence so much
subtlety and
wit? Or from what
scientific training have you been
able to
gain so much
wisdom, to
derive so much
foresight? Because you are
skilled in
declining verbs and
nouns by
cases and
tenses, and in
avoiding barbarous words and
expressions; because you have
learned either to
express yourselves in
harmonious, and
orderly, and
fitly-disposed language, or to
know when it is
rude and
unpolished; because you have
stamped on your
memory the
Fornix of
Lucilius, and
Marsyas of
Pomponius; because you
know what the
issues to be
proposed in
lawsuits are, how many
kinds of
cases there are, how many
ways of
pleading, what the
genus is, what the
species, by what
methods an
opposite is
distinguished from a
contrary,-do you therefore
think that you
know what is
false, what
true, what can or cannot be done, what is the
nature of the
lowest and
highest? Have the
well-known words never
rung in your
ears, that the
wisdom of
man is
foolishness with
God?
7. In the first
place, you yourselves, too,
see clearly that, if you ever
discuss obscure subjects, and
seek to
lay bare the
mysteries of
nature, on the one
hand you do not
know the very
things which you
speak of, which you
affirm, which you
uphold very often with
especial zeal, and that each one
defends with
obstinate resistance his own
suppositions as though they were
proved and
ascertained truths. For how can we of ourselves
know whether we
perceive the
truth, even if all
ages be
employed in
seeking out
knowledge-we whom some
envious power brought forth, and
formed so
ignorant and
proud, that, although we
know nothing at all, we yet
deceive ourselves, and are
uplifted by
pride and
arrogance so as to
suppose ourselves
possessed of
knowledge? For, to
pass by
divine things, and those
plunged in
natural obscurity, can any
man explain that which in the
Phaedrus the
well-known Socrates cannot
comprehend-what man is, or whence he is,
uncertain,
changeable,
deceitful,
manifold, of many
kinds? for what
purposes he was
produced? by whose
ingenuity he was
devised? what he does in the
world? (
C) why he
undergoes such
countless ills? whether the
earth gave life to him as to
worms and
mice,
being affected with
decay through the
action of some
moisture; or whether he
received these
outlines of
body, and this
cast of
face, from the
hand of some
maker and
framer? Can he, I
say,
know these
things, which
lie open to all, and are
recognisable by the
senses common to all,-by what
causes we are
plunged into
sleep, by what we
awake? in what
ways dreams are
produced, in what they are
seen?
nay rather-as to which
Plato in the
Theoetetus is in
doubt-whether we are ever
awake, or whether that very
state which is
called waking is
part of an
unbroken slumber? and what we seem to do when we
say that we
see a
dream? whether we
see by
means of
rays of
light proceeding towards the
object, or
images of the
objects fly to and
alight on the
pupils of our
eyes? whether the
flavour is in the
things tasted, or
arises from their
touching the
palate? from what
causes hairs lay aside their
natural darkness, and do not become
gray all at once, but by
adding little by
little? why it is that all
fluids, on
mingling,
form one whole; that
oil, on the
contrary, does not
suffer the others to be
poured into it, but is ever
brought together
clearly into its own
impenetrable substance?
finally, why the
soul also, which is
said by you to be
immortal and
divine, is
sick in
men who are
sick,
senseless in
children,
worn out in
doting,
silly, and
crazy old age? Now the
weakness and
wretched ignorance of these
theories is
greater on this
account, that while it
may happen that we at
times say something which is
true, we cannot be
sure even of this very
thing, whether we have
spoken the
truth at all.
8. And since you have been
wont to
laugh at our
faith, and with
droll jests to
pull to
pieces our
readiness of
belief too,
say,
O wits,
soaked and
filled with
wisdom's
pure drought, is there in
life any
kind of
business demanding diligence and
activity, which the
doers undertake,
engage in, and
essay, without
believing that it can be done? Do you
travel about, do you
sail on the
sea without
believing that you will
return home when your
business is done? Do you
break up the
earth with the
plough, and
fill it with
different kinds of
seeds without
believing that you will
gather in the
fruit with the
changes of the
seasons? Do you
unite with
partners in
marriage, without
believing that it will be
pure, and a
union serviceable to the
husband? Do you
beget children without
believing that they will
pass safely through the
different stages of
life to the
goal of
age? Do you
commit your
sick bodies to the
hands of
physicians, without
believing that
diseases can be
relieved by their
severity being lessened? Do you
wage wars with your
enemies, without
believing that you will
carry off the
victory by
success in
battles? Do you
worship and
serve the
gods without
believing that they are, and that they
listen graciously to your
prayers?
9. What, have you
seen with your
eyes, and
handled with your
hands, those
things which you
write yourselves, which you
read from
time to
time on
subjects placed beyond
human knowledge? Does not each one
trust this
author or that? That which any one has
persuaded himself is
said with
truth by another, does he not
defend with a
kind of
assent, as it were, like that of
faith? Does not he who
says that
fire or
water is the
origin of all
things,
pin his
faith to
Thales or
Heraclitus? he who
places the
cause of all in
numbers, to
Pythagoras of
Samos, and to
Archytas? he who
divides the
soul, and
sets up
bodiless forms, to
Plato, the
disciple of
Socrates? he who
adds a
fifth element to the
primary causes, to
Aristotle, the
father of the
Peripatetics? he who
threatens the
world with
destruction by
fire, and
says that when the
time comes it will be
set on
fire, to
Panaetius,
Chrysippus,
Zeno? he who is always
fashioning worlds from
atoms, and
destroying them, to
Epicurus,
Democritus,
Metrodorus? he who
says that nothing is
comprehended by
man, and that all
things are
wrapt in
dark obscurity, to
Archesilas, to
Carneades?-to some
teacher, in
fine, of the
old and later
Academy?
10.
Finally, do not even the
leaders and
founders of the
schools already
mentioned,
say those very
things which they do
say through
belief in their own
ideas? For, did
Heraclitus see things produced by the
changes of
fires?
Thales, by the
condensing of
water? Did
Pythagoras see them
spring from
number? Did
Plato see the
bodiless forms?
Democritus, the
meeting together of the
atoms? Or do those who
assert that nothing at all can be
comprehended by
man,
know whether what they
say is
true, so as to
understand that the very
proposition which they
lay down is a
declaration of
truth? Since, then, you have
discovered and
learned nothing, and are
led by
credulity to
assert all those
things which you
write, and
comprise in
thousands of
books; what
kind of
judgment,
pray, is this, so
unjust that you
mock at
faith in us, while you
see that you have it in
common with our
readiness of
belief? But you
say you
believe wise men, well
versed in all
kinds of
learning!-those,
forsooth, who
know nothing, and
agree in nothing which they
say; who
join battle with their
opponents on
behalf of their own
opinions, and are always
contending fiercely with
obstinate hostility; who,
overthrowing,
refuting, and
bringing to
nought the one the other's
doctrines, have made all
things doubtful, and have
shown from their very
want of
agreement that nothing can he
known.
11. But,
supposing that these
things do not at all
hinder or
prevent your
being bound to
believe and
hearken to them in
great measure; and what
reason is there either that you should have more
liberty in this
respect, or that we should have less? You
believe Plato,
Cronius,
Numenius, or any one you
please; we
believe and
confide in
Christ. How
unreasonable it is, that when we both
abide by
teachers, and have one and the same
thing,
belief, in
common, you should
wish it to be
granted to you to
receive what is so
said by them, but should be
unwilling to
hear and
see what is
brought forward by
Christ! And yet, if we
chose to
compare cause with
cause, we are
better able to
point out what we have
followed in
Christ, than you to
point out what you have
followed in the
philosophers. And we, indeed, have
followed in him these
things-those glorious works and most
potent virtues which he
manifested and
displayed in
diverse miracles, by which any one might be
led to
feel the
necessity of
believing, and might
decide with
confidence that they were not such as might be
regarded as
man's, but such as
showed some
divine and
unknown power. What
virtues did you
follow in the
philosophers, that it was more
reasonable for you to
believe them than for us to
believe Christ? Was any one of them ever
able by one
word, or by a
single command, I will not
say to
restrain, to
check the
madness of the
sea or the
fury of the
storm; to
restore their
sight to the
blind, or
give it to
men blind from their
birth; to
call the
dead back to
life; to
put an end to the
sufferings of
years;
but-and this is much
easier -to
heal by one
rebuke a
boil, a
scab, or a
thorn fixed in the
skin? Not that we
deny either that they are
worthy of
praise for the
soundness of their
morals, or that they are
skilled in all
kinds of
studies and
learning; for we
know that they both
speak in the most
elegant language, and that their
words flow in
polished periods; that they
reason in
syllogisms with the
utmost acuteness; that they
arrange their
inferences in
due order; that they
express,
divide,
distinguish principles by
definitions; that they
say many
things about the
different kinds of
numbers, many
things about
music; that by their
maxims and
precepts they
settle the
problems of
geometry also. But what has that to do with the
case? Do
enthymemes,
syllogisms, and other such
things,
assure us that these
men know what is
true? or are they therefore such that
credence should
necessarily be
given to them with
regard to very
obscure subjects? A
comparison of
persons must be
decided, not by
vigour of
eloquence, but by the
excellence of the
works which they have done. He must not be
called a
good teacher who has
expressed himself
clearly, but he who
accompanies his
promises with the
guarantee of
divine works.
12. You
bring forward arguments against us, and
speculative quibblings,
which-may I
say this without
displeasing Him-if Christ Himself were to
use in the
gatherings of the
nations, who would
assent? who would
listen? who would
say that He
decided anything
clearly? or who, though he were
rash and
utterly credulous, would
follow Him when
pouring forth vain and
baseless statements? His
virtues have been made
manifest to you, and that
unheard-of power over
things, whether that which was
openly exercised by Him or that which was used over the whole
world by those who
proclaimed Him: it has
subdued the
fires of
passion, and
caused races, and
peoples, and
nations most
diverse in
character to
hasten with one
accord to
accept the same
faith. For the
deeds can be
reckoned up and
numbered which have been done in
India, among the
Seres,
Persians, and
Medes; in
Arabia,
Egypt, in
Asia,
Syria; among the
Galatians,
Parthians,
Phrygians; in
Achaia,
Macedonia,
Epirus; in all
islands and
provinces on which the
rising and
setting sun shines; in
Rome herself,
finally, the
mistress of the
world, in which, although
men are
busied with the
practices introduced by
king Numa, and the
superstitious observances of
antiquity, they have nevertheless
hastened to
give up their
fathers'
mode of
life, and
attach themselves to
Christian truth. For they had
seen the
chariot of
Simon Magus, and his
fiery car,
blown into
pieces by the
mouth of
Peter, and
vanish when
Christ was
named. They had
seen him, I
say,
trusting in
false gods, and
abandoned by them in their
terror,
borne down
headlong by his own
weight,
lie prostrate with his
legs broken; and then, when he had been
carried to
Brunda,
worn out with
anguish and
shame, again
cast himself down from the
roof of a very
lofty house. But all these
deeds you neither
know nor have
wished to
know, nor did you ever
consider that they were of the
utmost importance to you; and while you
trust your own
judgments, and
term that
wisdom which is
overweening conceit, you have
given to
deceivers-to those
guilty ones, I
say, whose
interest it is that the
Christian name be
degraded-an opportunity of
raising clouds of
darkness, and
concealing truths of so much
importance; of
robbing you of
faith, and
putting scorn in its
place, in
order that, as they already
feel that an end such as they
deserve threatens them, they might
excite in you also a
feeling through which you should
run into
danger, and be
deprived of the
divine mercy.
13. Meantime, however,
O you who
wonder and are
astonished at the
doctrines of the
learned, and of
philosophy, do you not then
think it most
unjust to
scoff, to
jeer at us as though we
say foolish and
senseless things, when you too are found to
say either these or
just such
things which you
laugh at when
said and
uttered by us? Nor do I
address those who,
scattered through
various bypaths of the
schools, have
formed this and that
insignificant party through
diversity of
opinion. You, you I
address, who
zealously follow Mercury,
Plato, and
Pythagoras, and the
rest of you who are of one
mind, and
walk in
unity in the same
paths of
doctrine. Do you
dare to
laugh at us because we
revere and
worship the
Creator and
Lord of the
universe, and because we
commit and
entrust our
hopes to Him? What does your
Plato say in the
Theoetetus, to
mention him
especially? Does he not
exhort the
soul to
flee froth the
earth, and, as much as in it
lies, to be
continually engaged in
thought and
meditation about Him? Do you
dare to
laugh at us, because we
say that there will be a
resurrection of the
dead? And this indeed we
confess that
wee say, but
maintain that it is
understood by you otherwise than we
hold it. What
says the same
Plato in the
Politicus? Does he not
say that, when the
world has
begun to
rise out of the
west and
tend towards the
east,
men will again
burst forth from the
bosom of the
earth,
aged,
grey-haired,
bowed down with
years; and that when the
remoter years begin to
draw near, they will
gradually sink down to the
cradles of their
infancy, through the same
steps by which they now
grow to
manhood? Do you
dare to
laugh at us because we
see to the
salvation of our
souls?-that is, ourselves
care for ourselves: for what are we
men, but
souls shut up in
bodies?-You, indeed, do not
take every
pains for their
safety, in that you do not
refrain from all
vice and
passion; about this you are
anxious, that you
may cleave to your
bodies as though
inseparably bound to them. -What
mean those
mystic rites, in which you
beseech some
unknown powers to be
favourable to you, and not
put any
hindrance in your
way to
impede you when
returning to your
native seats?
14. Do you
dare to
laugh at us when we
speak of
hell, and
fires which cannot be
quenched, into which we have
learned that
souls are
cast by their
foes and
enemies? What, does not your
Plato also, in the
book which he
wrote on the
immortality of the
soul,
name the
rivers Acheron,
Styx,
Cocytus, and
Pyriphlegethon, and
assert that in them
souls are
rolled along,
engulphed, and
burned up? But though a
man of no
little wisdom, and of
accurate judgment and
discernment, he
essays a
problem which cannot be
solved; so that, while he
says that the
soul is
immortal,
everlasting, and without
bodily substance, he
vet says that they are
punished, and makes them
suffer pain. But what
man does not
see that that which is
immortal, which is
simple, cannot be
subject to any
pain; that that, on the
contrary, cannot be
immortal which does
suffer pain? And yet his
opinion is not very
far from the
truth. For although the
gentle and
kindly disposed man thought it
inhuman cruelty to
condemn souls to
death, he yet not
unreasonably supposed that they are
cast into
rivers blazing with
masses of
flame, and
loathsome from their
foul abysses. For they are
cast in, and
being annihilated,
pass away
vainly in
everlasting destruction. For
theirs is an
intermediate state, as has been
learned from
Christ's
teaching; and they are such that they
may on the one
hand perish if they have not
known God, and on the other be
delivered from
death if they have
given heed to His
threats and
proffered favours. And to make
manifest what is
unknown, this is
man's
real death, this which
leaves nothing behind. For that which is
seen by the
eyes is only a
separation of
soul from
body, not the last
end-annihilation: this, I
say, is
man's
real death, when
souls which
know not
God shall be
consumed in
long-protracted torment with
raging fire, into which
certain fiercely cruel beings shall
cast them, who were
unknown before
Christ, and
brought to
light only by His
wisdom.
15.
Wherefore there is no
reason that that should
mislead us, should
hold out
vain hopes to us, which is
said by some
men till now
unheard of, and
carried away by an
extravagant opinion of themselves, that
souls are
immortal, next in
point of
rank to the
God and
ruler of the
world,
descended from that
parent and
sire,
divine,
wise,
learned, and not within
reach of the
body by
contact. Now, because this is
true and
certain, and because we have been
produced by Him who is
perfect without
flaw, we
live unblameably, I
suppose, and therefore without
blame; are
good,
just, and
upright, in nothing
depraved; no
passion overpowers, no
lust degrades us; we
maintain vigorousy the
unremitting practice of all the
virtues. And because all our
souls have one
origin, we therefore
think exactly alike; we do not
differ in
manners, we do not
differ in
beliefs; we all
know God; and there are not as many
opinions as there are
men in the
world, nor are these
divided in
infinite variety.
16. But, they
say, while we are
moving swiftly down towards our
mortal bodies,
causes pursue us from the
world's
circles, through the
working of which we become
bad,
ay, most
wicked;
burn with
lust and
anger,
spend our
life in
shameful deeds, and are
given over to the
lust of all by the
prostitution of our
bodies for
hire. And how can the
material unite with the
immaterial? or how can that which
God has made, be
led by
weaker causes to
degrade itself through the
practice of
vice? Will you
lay aside your
habitual arrogance,
O men, who
claim God as your
Father, and
maintain that you are
immortal,
just as He is? Will you
inquire,
examine,
search what you are yourselves, whose you are, of what
parentage you are
supposed to be, what you do in the
world, in what
way you are
born, how you
leap to
life? Will you,
laying aside all
partiality,
consider in the
silence of your
thoughts that we are
creatures either
quite like the
rest, or
separated by no
great difference? For what is there to
show that we do not
resemble them? or what
excellence is in us, such that we
scorn to be
ranked as
creatures? Their
bodies are
built up on
bones, and
bound closely together by
sinews; and our
bodies are in like
manner built up on
bones, and
bound closely together by
sinews. They
inspire the
air through
nostrils, and in
breathing expire it again; and we in like
manner drew in the
air, and
breathed it out with
frequent respirations. They have been
arranged in
classes,
female and
male; we, too, have been
fashioned by our
Creator into the same
sexes. Their
young are
born from the
womb, and are
begotten through
union of the
sexes; and we are
born from
sexual embraces, and are
brought forth and
sent into
life from our
mothers'
wombs. They are
supported by
eating and
drinking, and
get rid of the
filth which
remains by the
lower parts; and we are
supported by
eating and
drinking, and that which
nature refuses we
deal with in the same
way. Their
care is to
ward off
death-bringing famine, and of
necessity to be on the
watch for
food. What else is our
aim in the
business of
life, which
presses so much upon us, but to
seek the
means by which the
danger of
starvation may be
avoided, and
carking anxiety put away? They are
exposed to
disease and
hunger, and at last
lose their
strength by
reason of
age. What, then? are we not
exposed to these
evils, and are we not in like
manner weakened by
noxious diseases,
destroyed by
wasting age? But if that, too, which is
said in the more
hidden mysteries is
true, that the
souls of
wicked men, on
leaving their
human bodies,
pass into
cattle and other
creatures, it is even more
clearly shown that we are
allied to them, and not
separated by any
great interval, since it is on the same
ground that both we and they are
said to be
living creatures, and to
act as such.
17. But we have
reason, one will
say, and
excel the whole
race of
dumb animals in
understanding. I might
believe that this was
quite true, if all
men lived rationally and
wisely, never
swerved aside from their
duty,
abstained from what is
forbidden, and
withheld themselves from
baseness, and if no one through
folly and the
blindness of
ignorance demanded what is
injurious and
dangerous to himself. I should
wish, however, to
know what this
reason is, through which we are more
excellent than all the
tribes of
animals. Is it because we have made for ourselves
houses, by which we can
avoid the
cold of
winter and
heat of
summer? What! do not the other
animals show forethought in this
respect? Do we not
see some
build nests as
dwellings for themselves in the most
convenient situations; others
shelter and
secure themselves in
rocks and
lofty crags; others
burrow in the
ground, and
prepare for themselves
strongholds and
lairs in the
pits which they have
dug out? But if
nature, which
gave them
life, had
chosen to
give to them also
hands to
help them, they too would, without
doubt,
raise lofty buildings and
strike out
new works of
art. Yet, even in those
things which they make with
beaks and
claws, we
see that there are many
appearances of
reason and
wisdom which we
men are
unable to
copy, however much we
ponder them, although we have
hands to
serve us
dexterously in every
kind of
work.
18. They have not
learned, I will be
told, to make
clothing,
seats,
ships, and
ploughs, nor, in
fine, the other
furniture which
family life requires.These are not the
gifts of
science, but the
suggestions of most
pressing necessity; nor did the
arts descend with
men's
souls from the
inmost heavens, but here on
earth have they all been
painfully sought out and
brought to
light, and
gradually acquired in
process of
time by
careful thought. But if the
soul had in itself the
knowledge which it is
fitting that a
race should have indeed which is
divine and
immortal, all
men would from the first
know everything; nor would there be an
age unacquainted with any
art, or not
furnished with
practical knowledge. But now a
life of
want and in
need of many
things,
noticing some
things happen accidentally to its
advantage, while it
imitates,
experiments, and
tries, while it
fails,
remoulds,
changes, from
continual failure has
procured for itself and
wrought out some
slight acquaintance with the
arts, and
brought to one
issue the
advances of many
ages.
19. But if
men either
knew themselves
thoroughly, or had the
slightest knowledge of
God, they would never
claim as their own a
divine and
immortal nature; nor would they
think themselves something
great because they have made for themselves
gridirons,
basins, and
bowls, because they have made
under-shirts,
outer-shirts,
cloaks,
plaids,
robes of
state,
knives,
cuirasses and
swords,
mattocks,
hatchets,
ploughs. Never, I
say,
carried away by
pride and
arrogance, would they
believe themselves to be
deities of the first
rank, and
fellows of the
highest in his
exaltation, because they had
devised the
arts of
grammar,
music,
oratory, and
geometry. For we do not
see what is so
wonderful in these
arts, that because of their
discovery the
soul should be
believed to be above the
sun as well as all the
stars, to
surpass both in
grandeur and
essence the whole
universe, of which these are
parts. For what else do these
assert that they can either
declare or
teach, than that we
may learn to
know the
rules and
differences of
nouns, the
intervals in the
sounds of
different tones, that we
may speak persuasively in
lawsuits, that we
may measure the
confines of the
earth? Now, if the
soul had
brought these
arts with it from the
celestial regions, and it were
impossible not to
know them, all
men would
long before this be
busied with them over all the
earth, nor would any
race of
men be found which would not be
equally and
similarly instructed in them all. But now how few
musicians,
logicians, and
geometricians are there in the
world! how few
orators,
poets,
critics! From which it is
clear, as has been
said pretty frequently, that these
things were
discovered under the
pressure of
time and
circumstances, and that the
soul did not
fly hither divinely taught, because neither are all
learned, nor can all
learn; and there are very many among them
somewhat deficient in
shrewdness, and
stupid, and they are
constrained to
apply themselves to
learning only by
fear of
stripes. But if it were a
fact that the
things which we
learn are but
reminiscences -as has been
maintained in the
systems of the
ancients-as we
start from the same
truth, we should all have
learned alike, and
remember alike-not have
diverse, very
numerous, and
inconsistent opinions. Now, however,
seeing that we each
assert different things, it is
clear and
manifest that we have
brought nothing from
heaven, but become
acquainted with what has
arisen here, and
maintain what has
taken firm root in our
thoughts.
20. And, that we
may show you more
clearly and
distinctly what is the
worth of
man, whom you
believe to be very like the
higher power,
conceive this
idea; and because it can be done if we
come into
direct contact with it, let us
conceive it
just as if we
came into
contact. Let us then
imagine a
place dug out in the
earth,
fit for
dwelling in,
formed into a
chamber,
enclosed by a
roof and
walls, not
cold in
winter, not too
warm in
summer, but so
regulated and
equable that we
suffer neither
cold nor the
violent heat of
summer. To this let there not
come any
sound or
cry whatever, of
bird, of
beast, of
storm, of
man-of any
noise, in
fine, or of the
thunder's
terrible crash. Let us next
devise a
way in which it
may be
lighted not by the
introduction of
fire, nor by the
sight of the
sun, but let there be some
counterfeit to
imitate sunlight,
darkness being interposed. Let there not be one
door, nor a
direct entrance, but let it be
approached by
tortuous windings, and let it never be
thrown open unless when it is
absolutely necessary.
21. Now, as we have
prepared a
place for our
idea, let us next
receive some one
born to
dwell there, where there is nothing but an
empty void, -one of the
race of
Plato, namely, or
Pythagoras, or some one of those who are
regarded as of
superhuman wit, or have been
declared most
wise by the
oracles of the
gods.And when this has been done, he must then be
nourished and
brought up on
suitable food. Let us therefore
provide a
nurse also, who shall
come to him always
naked, ever
silent,
uttering not a
word, and shall not
open her
mouth and
lips to
speak at all, but after
suckling him, and
doing what else is
necessary, shall
leave him
fast asleep, and
remain day and
night before the
closed doors; for it is
usually necessary that the
nurse's
care should be
near at
hand, and that she should
watch his
varying motions. But when the
child begins to
need to be
supported by more
substantial food, let it be
borne in by the same
nurse, still
undressed, and
maintaining the same
unbroken silence. Let the
food, too, which is
carried in be always
precisely the same, with no
difference in the
material, and without
being re-cooked by
means of
different flavours; but let it be either
pottage of
millet, or
bread of
spelt, or, in
imitation of the
ancients,
chestnuts roasted in the
hot ashes, or
berries plucked from
forest trees. Let him moreover, never
learn to
drink wine, and let nothing else be used to
quench his
thirst than
pure cold water from the
spring, and that if
possible raised to his
lips in the
hollow of his
hands. For
habit,
growing into
second nature, will become
familiar from
custom; nor will his
desire extend further, not
knowing that there is any
thing more to be
sought after.
22. To what, then, you
ask, do these
things tend? We have
brought them
forward in
order that-as it has been
believed that the
souls of
men are
divine, and therefore
immortal, and that they
come to their
human bodies with all
knowledge-we may make
trial from this
child, whom we have
supposed to be
brought up in this
way, whether this is
credible, or has been
rashly believed and
taken for
granted, in
consequence of
deceitful anticipation. Let us
suppose, then, that be
grows up,
reared in a
secluded,
lonely spot,
spending as many,
years as you
choose,
twenty or
thirty,-
nay, let him be
brought into the
assemblies of
men when he has
lived through forty
years; and if it is
true that he is a
part of the
divine essence, and
lives here
sprung from the
fountains of
life, before he makes
acquaint-ante with anything, or is made
familiar with
human speech, let him be
questioned and
answer who he is, or from what
father in what
regions he was
born, how or in what
way brought up; with what
work or
business he has been
engaged during the former
part of his
life. Will he not, then,
stand speechless, with less
wit and
sense than any
beast,
block,
stone? Will he not, when
brought into
contact with
strange and
previously unknown things, be above all
ignorant of himself? If you
ask, will he be
able to
say what the
sun is, the
earth,
seas,
stars,
clouds,
mist,
showers.
thunder,
snow.
hail? Will he be
able to
know what
trees are,
herbs, or
grasses, a
bull, a
horse, or
ram, a
camel,
elephant, or
kite?
23. If you
give a
grape to him when
hungry, a
must-cake, an
onion, a
thistle, a
cucumber, a
fig, will he
know that his
hunger can be
appeased by all these, or of what
kind each should be to be
fit for
eating? If you made a very
great fire, or
surrounded him with
venomous creatures, will he not
go through the
midst of
flames,
vipers,
tarantulae, without
knowing that they are
dangerous, and
ignorant even of
fear? But again, if you
set before him
garments and
furniture, both for
city and
country life, will he indeed be
able to
distinguish for what each is
fitted? to
discharge what
service they are
adapted? Will he
declare for what
purposes of
dress the
stragula was made, the
coif,
zone,
fillet,
cushion,
handkerchief,
cloak,
veil,
napkin,
furs,
shoe,
sandal,
boot? What, if you
go on to
ask what a
wheel is, or a
sledge, a
winnowing-fan,
jar,
tub, an
oil-mill,
ploughshare, or
sieve, a
mill-stone,
ploughtail, or
light hoe; a
carved seat, a
needle, a
strigil, a
layer, an
open seat, a
ladle, a
platter, a
candlestick, a
goblet, a
broom, a
cup, a
bag; a
lyre,
pipe,
silver,
brass,
gold, a
book, a
rod, a
roll, and the
rest of the
equipment by which the
life of
man is
surrounded and
maintained? Will he not in such
circumstances, as we
said, like an
ox or an
ass, a
pig, or any
beast more
senseless,
look at these indeed,
observing their
various shapes, but not
knowing what they all are, and
ignorant of the
purpose for which they are
kept? If he were in any
way compelled to
utter a
sound, would he not with
gaping mouth shout something
indistinctly, as the
dumb usually do?
24. Why,
O Plato, do you in the
Meno put to a
young slave certain questions relating to the
doctrines of
number, and
strive to
prove by his
answers that what we
learn we do not
learn, but that we
merely call back to
memory those
things which we
knew in former
times? Now, if he
answers you
correctly,-for it would not be becoming that we should
refuse credit to what you
say,-he is
led to do so not by his
real knowledge, but by his
intelligence; and it
results from his
having some
acquaintance with
numbers, through using them every
day, that when
questioned he
follows your
meaning, and that the very
process of
multiplication always
prompts him. But if you are
really assured that the
souls of
men are
immortal and
endowed with
knowledge when they
fly hither,
cease to
question that
youth whom you
see to be
ignorant and
accustomed to the
ways of
men;
call to you that
man of forty
years, and
ask of him, not anything out of the
way or
obscure about
triangles, about
squares, not what a
cube is, or a
second power, the
ratio of nine to
eight, or
finally, of
four to
three; but
ask him that with which all are
acquainted-what twice two are, or
twice three. We
wish to
see, we
wish to
know, what
answer he
gives when
questioned-whether he
solves the
desired problem. In such a
case will he
perceive, although his
ears are
open, whether you are
saying anything, or
asking anything, or
requiring some
answer from him? and will he not
stand like a
stock, or the
Marpesian rock, as the
saying is,
dumb and
speechless, not
understanding or
knowing even
this-whether you are
talking with him or with another,
conversing with another or with him; whether that is
intelligible speech which you
utter, or
merely a
cry having no
meaning, but
drawn out and
protracted to no
purpose?
25. What
say you,
O men, who
assign to yourselves too much of an
excellence not your own? Is this the
learned soul which you
describe,
immortal,
perfect,
divine,
holding the
fourth place under
God tim Lord of the
universe, and under the
kindred spirits, and
proceeding from the
fountains of
life? This is that
precious being man,
endowed with the
loftiest powers of
reason, who is
said to be a
microcosm, and to be made and
formed after the
fashion of the whole
universe,
superior, as has been
seen, to no
brute, more
senseless than
stock or
stone; for he is
unacquainted with
men, and always
lives,
loiters idly in the still
deserts although he were
rich,
lived years without
number, and never
escaped from the
bonds of the
body. But when he
goes to
school, you
say, and is
instructed by the
teaching of
masters, he is made
wise,
learned, and
lays aside the
ignorance which
till now
clung to him. And an
ass, and an
ox as well, if
compelled by
constant practice,
learn to
plough and
grind; a
horse, to
submit to the
yoke, and
obey the
reins in
running; a
camel, to
kneel down when
being either
loaded or
unloaded; a
dove, when
set free, to
fly back to its
master's
house; a
dog, on
finding game, to
check and
repress its
barking; a
parrot, too, to
articulate words; and a
crow to
utter names.
26. But when I
hear the
soul spoken of as something
extraordinary, as
akin and very
nigh to
God, and as
coming hither knowing all about
past times, I would have it
teach, not
learn; and not
go back to the
rudiments, as the
saying is, after
being advanced in
knowledge, but
hold fast the
truths it has
learned when it
enters its
earthly body. For unless it were so, how could it be
discerned whether the
soul recalls to
memory or
learns for the first
time that which it
hears;
seeing that it is much
easier to
believe that it
learns what it is
unacquainted with, than that it has
forgot what it
knew but a
little before, and that its
power of
recalling former
things is
lost through the
interposition of the
body? And what becomes of the
doctrine that
souls,
being bodiless, do not have
substance? For that which is not
connected with any
bodily form is not
hampered by the
opposition of another, nor can anything be
led to
destroy that which cannot be
touched by what is
set against it. For as a
proportion established in
bodies remains unaffected and
secure, though it be
lost to
sight in a
thousand cases; so must
souls, if they are not
material, as is
asserted,
retain their
knowledge of the
past, however
thoroughly they
may have been
enclosed in
bodies. Moreover, the same
reasoning not only
shows that they are not
incorporeal, but
deprives them of all
immortality even, and
refers them to the
limits within which
life is
usually closed. For whatever is
led by some
inducement to
change and
alter itself, so that it cannot
retain its
natural state, must of
necessity be
considered essentially passive. But that which is
liable and
exposed to
suffering, is
declared to be
corruptible by that very
capacity of
suffering.
27. So then, if
souls lose all their
knowledge on
being lettered with the
body, they must
experience something of such a
nature that it makes them become
blindly forgetful. For they cannot, without becoming
subject to anything whatever, either
lay aside their
knowledge while they
maintain their
natural state, or without
change in themselves
pass into a
different state.
Nay, we rather
think that what is one,
immortal,
simple, in whatever it
may be, must always
retain its own
nature, and that it neither should nor could be
subject to anything, if indeed it
purposes to
endure and
abide within the
limits of
true immortality. For all
suffering is a
passage for
death and
destruction, a
way leading to the
grave, and
bringing an end of
life which
may not be
escaped from; and if
souls are
liable to it, and
yield to its
influence and
assaults, they indeed have
life given to them only for
present use, not as a
secured possession, although some
come to other
conclusions, and
put faith in their own
arguments with
regard to so
important a
matter.
28. And yet, that we
may not be as
ignorant when we
leave you as before, let us
hear from you how you
say that the
soul, on
being enwrapt in an
earthly body, has no
recollection of the
past; while, after
being actually
placed in the
body itself, and
rendered almost
senseless by
union with it, it
holds tenaciously and
faithfully the
things which many
years before,
eighty if you
choose to
say so, or even more, it either did, or
suffered, or
said, or
heard. For if, through
being hampered by the
body, it does not
remember those
things which it
knew long ago, and before it
came into this
world, there is more
reason that it should
forget those
things which it has done from
time to
time since
being shut up in the
body, than those which it did before
entering it, while not yet
connected with
men. For the same
body which
deprives of
memory the
soul which
enters it, should
cause what is done within itself also to be
wholly forgotten; for one
cause cannot
bring about
two results, and these
opposed to each other, so as to make some
things to be
forgotten, and
allow others to be
remembered by him who did them. But if
souls, as you
call them, are
prevented and
hindered by their
fleshly members from
recalling their former
knowledge, how do they
remember what has been
arranged in these very
bodies, and
know that they are
spirits, and have no
bodily substance,
being exalted by their
condition as
immortal beings? how do they
know what
rank they
hold in the
universe, in what
order they have been
set apart from other
beings? how they have
come to these, the
lowest parts of the
universe? what
properties they
acquired, and from what
circles, in
gliding along towards these
regions? How, I
say, do they
know that they were very
learned, and have
lost their
knowledge by the
hindrance which their
bodies afford them? For of this very
thing also they should have been
ignorant, whether their
union with the
body had
brought any
stain upon them; for to
know what you were, and what
to-day you are not, is no
sign that you have
lost your
memory, but a
proof and
evidence that it is
quite sound.
29. Now, since it is so,
cease, I
pray you,
cease to
rate trifling and
unimportant things at
immense values.
Cease to
place man in the
upper ranks, since he is of the
lowest; and in the
highest orders,
seeing that his
person only is
taken account of, that he is
needy,
poverty-stricken in his
house and
dwelling, and was never
entitled to be
declared of
illustrious descent. For while, as
just men and
upholders of
righteousness, you should have
subdued pride and
arrogance, by the
evils of which we are all
uplifted and
puffed up with
empty vanity; you not only
hold that these
evils arise naturally,
but-and this is much
worse-you have also
added causes by which
vice should
increase, and
wickedness remain incorrigible. For what
man is there, although of a
disposition which ever
shuns what is of
bad repute and
shameful, who, when he
hears it
said by very
wise men that the
soul is
immortal, and not
subject to the
decrees of the
fates, would not
throw himself
headlong into all
kinds of
vice, and
fearlessly engage in and
set about
unlawful things? who would not, in
short,
gratify his
desires in all
things demanded by his
unbridled lust,
strengthened even further by its
security and
freedom from
punishment? For what will
hinder him from
doing so? The
fear of a
power above and
divine judgment? And how shall he be
overcome by any
fear or
dread who has been
persuaded that he is
immortal,
just as the
supreme God Himself, and that no
sentence can be
pronounced upon him by
God,
seeing that there is the same
immortality in both, and that the one
immortal being cannot be
troubled by the other, which is only its
equal?
30. But will he not be
terrified by the
punishments in
Hades, of which we have
heard,
assuming also, as they do, many
forms of
torture? And who will be so
senseless and
ignorant of
consequences, as to
believe that to
imperishable spirits either the
darkness of
Tartarus, or
rivers of
fire, or
marshes with
miry abysses, or
wheels sent whirling through the
air, can in any
wise do
harm? For that which is beyond
reach, and not
subject to the
laws of
destruction, though it be
surrounded by all the
flames of the
raging streams, be
rolled in the
mire,
overwhelmed by the
fall of
overhanging rocks and by the
overthrow of
huge mountains, must
remain safe and
untouched without
suffering any
deadly harm.
Moreover, that
conviction not only
leads on to
wickedness, from the very
freedom to
sin which it
suggests, but even
takes away the
ground of
philosophy itself, and
asserts that it is
vain to
undertake its
study, because of the
difficulty of the
work, which
leads to no
result. For if it is
true that
souls know no end, and are ever
advancing with all
generations, what
danger is there in
giving themselves up to the
pleasures of
sense-despising and
neglecting the
virtues by
regard to which
life is more
stinted in its
pleasures, and becomes less
attractive-and in
letting loose their
boundless lust to
range eagerly and
unchecked through all
kinds of
debauchery? Is it the
danger of
being worn out by such
pleasures, and
corrupted by
vicious effeminacy? And how can that be
corrupted which is
immortal, which always
exists, and is
subject to no
suffering? Is it the
danger of
being polluted by
foul and
base deeds? And how can that be
defiled which has no
corporeal substance; or where can
corruption seat itself, where there is no
place on which the
mark of this very
corruption should
fasten?
But again, if
souls draw near to the
gates of
death, as is
laid down in the
doctrine of
Epicurus, in this
case, too, there is no
sufficient reason why
philosophy should be
sought out, even if it is
true that by it
souls are
cleansed and made
pure from all
uncleanness. For if they all
die, and even in the
body the
feeling characteristic of
life perishes, and is
lost; it is not only a very
great mistake, but
shows stupid blindness, to
curb innate desires, to
restrict your
mode of
life within
narrow limits, not
yield to your
inclinations, and do what our
passions have
demanded and
urged, since no
rewards await you for so
great toil when the
day of
death comes, and you shall be
freed from the
bonds of the
body.
31. A
certain neutral character, then, and
undecided and
doubtful nature of the
soul, has made
room for
philosophy, and found out a
reason for its
being sought after: while, that is, that
fellow is
full of
dread because of
evil deeds of which he is
guilty; another
conceives great hopes if he shall do no
evil, and
pass his
life in
obedience to
duty and
justice. Thence it is that among
learned men, and
men endowed with
excellent abilities, there is
strife as to the
nature of the
soul, and some
say that it is
subject to
death, and cannot
take upon itself the
divine substance; while others
maintain that it is
immortal, and cannot
sink under the
power of
death. But this is
brought about by the
law of the
soul's
neutral character: because, on the one
hand,
arguments present themselves to the one
party by which it is found that the
soul is
capable of
suffering, and
perishable; and, on the other
hand, are not
wanting to their
opponents, by which it is
shown that the
soul is
divine and
immortal.
32. Since these
things are so, and we have been
taught by the
greatest teacher that
souls are
set not
far from the
gaping jaws of
death; that they can, nevertheless, have their
lives prolonged by the
favour and
kindness of the
Supreme Ruler if only they
try and
study to
know Him,-for the
knowledge of Him is a
kind of
vital leaven and
cement to
bind together that which would otherwise
fly apart,-let them, then,
laying aside their
savage and
barbarous nature,
return to
gentler ways, that they
may be
able to be
ready for that which shall be
given. What
reason is there that we should be
considered by you
brutish, as it were, and
stupid, if we have
yielded and
given ourselves up to
God our
deliverer, because of these
fears? We often
seek out
remedies for
wounds and the
poisoned bites of
serpents, and
defend ourselves by
means of
thin plates sold by
Psylli or
Marsi, and other
hucksters and
impostors; and that we
may not be
inconvenienced by
cold or
intense heat, we
provide with
anxious and
careful diligence coverings in
houses and
clothing.
33.
Seeing that the
fear of
death, that is, the
ruin of our
souls,
menaces us, in what are we not
acting, as we all are
wont, from a
sense of what will be to our
advantage, in that we
hold Him
fast who
assures us that He will be our
deliverer from such
danger,
embrace Him, and
entrust our
souls to His
care, if only that
interchange is
right? You
rest the
salvation of your
souls on yourselves, and are
assured that by your own
exertions alone you become
gods; but we, on the
contrary hold out no
hope to ourselves from our own
weakness, for we
see that our
nature has no
strength, and is
overcome by its own
passions in every
strife for anything. You
think that, as
soon as you
pass away,
freed from the
bonds of your
fleshly members, you will
find wings with which you
may rise to
heaven and
soar to the
stars. We
shun such
presumption. and do not
think that it is in our
power to
reach the
abodes above, since we have no
certainty as to this even, whether we
deserve to
receive life and be
freed from the
law of
death. You
suppose that without the
aid of others you will
return to the
master's
palace as if to your own
home, no one
hindering you; but we, on the
contrary, neither have any
expectation that this can be unless by the will of the
Lord of all, nor
think that so much
power and
licence are
given to any
man.
34. Since this is the
case, what,
pray, is so
unfair as that we should be
looked on by you as
silly in that
readiness of
belief at which you
scoff, while we
see that you both have like
beliefs, and
entertain the same
hopes? If we are
thought deserving of
ridicule because we
hold out to ourselves such a
hope, the same
ridicule awaits you too, who
claim for yourselves the
hope of
immortality. If you
hold and
follow a
rational course,
grant to us also a
share in it. If
Plato in the
Phaedrus, or another of this
band of
philosophers, had
promised these
joys to
us-that is, a
way to
escape death, or were
able to
provide it and
bring us to the end which he had
promised, it would have been
fitting that we should
seek to
honour him from whom we
look for so
great a
gift and
favour. Now, since
Christ has not only
promised it, but also
shown by His
virtues, which were so
great, that it can be made
good, what
strange thing do we do, and on what
grounds are we
charged with
folly, if we
bow down and
worship His
name and
majesty from whom we
expect to
receive both these
blessings, that we
may at once
escape a
death of
suffering, and be
enriched with
eternal life?
35. But,
say my
opponents, if
souls are
mortal and of
neutral character, how can they from their
neutral properties become
immortal? If we should
say that we do not
know this, and only
believe it because
said by One
mightier than we, when will our
readiness of
belief seem
mistaken if we
believe that to the
almighty King nothing is
hard, nothing
difficult, and that what is
impossible to us is
possible to Him and at His
command? For is there anything which
may withstand His will, or does it not
follow of
necessity that what He has
willed must be done? Are we to
infer from our
distinctions what either can or cannot be done; and are we not to
consider that our
reason is as
mortal as we ourselves are, and is of no
importance with the
Supreme? And yet,
O ye who do not
believe that the
soul is of a
neutral character, and that it is
held on the
line midway between
life and
death, are not all whatever whom
fancy supposes to
exist,
gods,
angels,
daemons, or whatever else is their
name, themselves too of a
neutral character, and
liable to
change in the
uncertainty of their
future? For if we all
agree that there is one
Father of all, who alone is
immortal and
unbegotten, and if nothing at all is found before Him which could be
named, it
follows as a
consequence that all these whom the
imagination of
men believes to be
gods, have been either
begotten by Him or
produced at His
bidding. Are they
produced and
begotten? they are also later in
order and
time: if later in
order and
time, they must have an
origin, and beginning of
birth and
life; but that which has an
entrance into and beginning of
life in its first
stages, it of
necessity follows, should have an end also.
36. But the
gods are
said to be
immortal. Not by
nature, then, but by the
good-will and
favour of
God their
Father. In the same
way, then, in which the
boon of
immortality is
God's
gift to these who were
assuredly produced, will He
deign to
confer eternal life upon
souls also, although
fell death seems
able to
cut them off and
blot them out of
existence in
utter annihilation. The
divine Plato, many of whose
thoughts are
worthy of
God, and not such as the
vulgar hold, in that
discussion and
treatise entitled the
Timaeus,
says that the
gods and the
world are
corruptible by
nature, and in no
wise beyond the
reach of
death, but that their
being is ever
maintained by the will of
God, their
King and
Prince; for that that even which has been
duly clasped and
bound together by the
surest bands is
preserved only by
God's
goodness; and that by no other than by Him who
bound their
elements together can they both be
dissolved if
necessary, and have the
command given which
preserves their
being. If this is the
case, then, and it is not
fitting to
think or
believe otherwise, why do you
wonder that we
speak of the
soul as
neutral in its
character, when
Plato says that it is so even with the
deities, but that their
life is
kept up by
God's
grace, without
break or end? For if by
chance you
knew it not, and because of its
novelty it was
unknown to you before, now, though
late,
receive and
learn from Him who
knows and has made it
known,
Christ, that
souls are not the
children of the
Supreme Ruler, and did not begin to be
self-conscious, and to be
spoken of in their own
special character after
being created by Him; but that some other is their
parent,
far enough
removed from the
chief in
rank and
power, of His
court, however, and
distinguished by His
high and
exalted birthright.
37. But if
souls were, as is
said, the
Lord's
children, and
begotten by the
Supreme Power, nothing would have been
wanting to make them
perfect, as they would have been
born with the most
perfect excellence: they would all have had one
mind, and been of one
accord; they would always
dwell in the
royal palace; and would not,
passing by the
seats of
bliss in which they had
learned and
kept in
mind the
noblest teachings,
rashly seek these
regions of
earth, that they might
live enclosed in
gloomy bodies amid phlegm and
blood, among these
bags of
filth and most
disgusting vessels of
urine. But, an
opponent will
say, it was
necessary that these
parts too should be
peopled, and therefore
Almighty God sent souls hither to
form some
colonies, as it were. And of what
use are
men to the
world, and on
account of what are they
necessary, so that they
may not be
believed to have been
destined to
live here and be the
tenants of an
earthly body for no
purpose? They have a
share, my
opponent says, in
perfecting the
completeness of this
immense mass, and without their
addition this whole
universe is
incomplete and
imperfect. What then? If there were not
men, would the
world cease to
discharge its
functions? would the
stars not
go through their
changes? would there not be
summers and
winters? would the
blasts of the
winds be
lulled? and from the
clouds gathered and
hanging overhead would not the
showers come down upon the
earth to
temper droughts? But now all
things must
go on in their own
courses, and not
give up
following the
arrangement established by
nature, even if there should be no
name of
man heard in the
world, and this
earth should be still with the
silence of an
unpeopled desert. How then is it
alleged that it was
necessary that an
inhabitant should be
given to these
regions, since it is
clear that by
man comes nothing to
aid in
perfecting the
world, and that all his
exertions regard his
private convenience always, and never
cease to
aim at his own
advantage?
38. For, to begin with what is
important, what
advantage is it to the
world that the
mightiest kings are here? What, that there are
tyrants,
lords, and other
innumerable and very
illustrious powers? What, that there are
generals of the
greatest experience in
war,
skilled in taking
cities;
soldiers steady and
utterly invincible in
battles of
cavalry, or in
fighting hand to
hand on
foot? What, that there are
orators,
grammarians,
poets,
writers,
logicians,
musicians,
ballet-dancers,
mimics,
actors,
singers,
trumpeters,
flute and
reed players? What, that there are
runners,
boxers,
charioteers,
vaulters,
walkers on
stilts,
rope-dancers,
jugglers? What, that there are
dealers in
salt fish,
salters,
fishmongers,
perfumers,
goldsmiths,
bird-catchers,
weavers of
winnowing fans and
baskets of
rushes? What, that there are
fullers,
workers in
wool,
embroiderers,
cooks,
confectioners,
dealers in
mules,
pimps,
butchers,
harlots? What, that there are other
kinds of
dealers? What do the other
kinds of
professors and
arts, for the
enumeration of which all
life would be too
short,
contribute to the
plan and
constitution of the
world, that we should
believe that it could not have been
founded without
men, and would not
attain its
completeness without the
addition of a
wretched and
useless being's
exertion?
39. But perhaps, some one will
urge, the
Ruler of the
world sent hither souls sprung from Himself for this
purpose-a very
rash thing for a
man to
say -that they which had been
divine with Him, not
coming into
contact with the
body and
earthly limits, should be
buried in the
germs of
men,
spring from the
womb,
burst into and
keep up the
silliest wailings,
draw the
breasts in
sucking,
besmear and
bedaub themselves with their own
filth, then be
hushed by the
swaying of the
frightened nurse and by the
sound of
rattles. Did He
send souls hither for this
reason, that they which had been but now
sincere and of
blameless virtue should
learn as
men to
feign, to
dissemble, to
lie, to
cheat, to
deceive, to
entrap with a
flatterer's
abjectness; to
conceal one
thing in the
heart,
express another in the
countenance; to
ensnare, to
beguile the
ignorant with
crafty devices, to
seek out
poisons by
means of
numberless arts suggested by
bad feelings, and to be
fashioned with
deceitful changeableness to
suit circumstances? Was it for this He
sent souls, that,
living till then in
calm and
undisturbed tranquillity, they might
find in their
bodies causes by which to become
fierce and
savage,
cherish hatred and
enmity, make
war upon each other,
subdue and
overthrow states;
load themselves with, and
give themselves up to the
yoke of
slavery; and
finally, be
put the one in the other's
power,
having changed the
condition in which they were
born? Was it for this He
sent souls, that,
being made
unmindful of the
truth, and
forgetful of what
God was, they should make
supplication to
images which cannot
move;
address as
superhuman deities pieces of
wood,
brass, and
stones;
ask aid of them with the
blood of
slain animals; make no
mention of Himself:
nay more, that some of them should
doubt their own
existence, or
deny altogether that anything
exists? Was it for this He
sent souls, that they which in their own
abodes had been of one
mind,
equals in
intellect and
knowledge, after that they
put on
mortal forms, should be
divided by
differences of
opinion; should have
different views as to what is
just,
useful, and
right; should
contend about the
objects of
desire and
aversion; should
define the
highest good and
greatest evil differently; that, in
seeking to
know the
truth of
things, they should be
hindered by their
obscurity; and, as if
bereft of
eyesight, should
see nothing
clearly, and,
wandering from the
truth, should be
led through
uncertain bypaths of
fancy?
40. Was it for this He
sent souls hither, that while the other
creatures are
fed by what
springs up
spontaneously, and is
produced without
being sown, and do not
seek for themselves the
protection or
covering of
houses or
garments, they should be under the
sad necessity of
building houses for themselves at very
great expense and with
never-ending toils,
preparing coverings for their
limbs,
making different kinds of
furniture for the
wants of
daily life,
borrowing help for their
weakness from the
dumb creatures; using
violence to the
earth that it might not
give forth its own
herbs, but might
send up the
fruits required; and when they had
put forth all their
strength in
subduing the
earth, should be
compelled to
lose the
hope with which they had
laboured through
blight,
hail,
drought; and at last
forced by
hunger to
throw themselves on
human bodies; and when
set free, to be
parted from their
human forms by a
wasting sickness? Was it for this that they which, while they
abode with Him, had never had any
longing for
property, should have become
exceedingly covetous, and with
insatiable craving be
inflamed to an
eager desire of
possessing; that they should
dig up
lofty mountains, and
turn the
unknown bowels of the
earth into
materials, and to
purposes of a
different kind; should
force their
way to
remote nations at the
risk of
life, and, in
exchanging goods always
catch at a
high price for what they
sell, and a
low one for what they
buy,
take interest at
greedy and
excessive rates, and
add to the
number of their
sleepless nights spent in
reckoning up
thousands wrung from the
life-blood of
wretched men; should be ever
extending the
limits of their
possessions, and, though they were to make whole
provinces one
estate, should
weary the
forum with
suits for one
tree, for one
furrow; should
hate rancorously their
friends and
brethren?
41. Was it for this He
sent souls, that they which
shortly before had been
gentle and
ignorant of what it is to be
moved by
fierce passions, should
build for themselves
markets and
amphi-theatres,
places of
blood and
open wickedness, in the one of which they should
see men devoured and
torn in
pieces by
wild beasts, and themselves
slay others for no
demerit but to
please and
gratify the
spectators, and should
spend those very
days on which such
wicked deeds were done in
general enjoyment, and
keep holiday with
festive gaiety; while in the other, again, they should
tear asunder the
flesh of
wretched animals, some
snatch one
part, others another, as
dogs and
vultures do, should
grind them with their
teeth, and
give to their
utterly insatiable maw, and that,
surrounded by
faces so
fierce and
savage, those should
bewail their
lot whom the
straits of
poverty withheld from such
repasts; that their
life should be
happy and
prosperous while such
barbarous doings defiled their
mouths and
face? Was it for this He
sent souls, that,
forgetting their
importance and
dignity as
divine, they should
acquire gems,
precious stones,
pearls, at the
expense of their
purity; should
entwine their
necks with these,
pierce the
tips of their
ears,
bind their
foreheads with
fillets,
seek for
cosmetics to
deck their
bodies,
darken their
eyes with
henna; nor, though in the
forms of
men,
blush to
curl their
hair with
crisping-pins, to make the
skin of the
body smooth, to
walk with
bare knees, and with every other
kind of
wantonness, both to
lay aside the
strength of their
manhood, and to
grow in
effeminacy to a
woman's
habits and
luxury?
42. Was it for this He
sent souls, that some should
infest the
highways and
roads, others
ensnare the
unwary,
forge false wills,
prepare poisoned draughts; that they should
break open houses by
night,
tamper with
slaves,
steal and
drive away, not
act uprightly, and
betray their
trust perfidiously; that they should
strike out
delicate dainties for the
palate; that in
cooking fowls they should
know how to
catch the
fat as it
drips; that they should make
cracknels and
sausages,
force-meats,
tit-bits,
Lucanian sausages, with these a
sow's
udder and
iced puddings? Was it for this He
sent souls, that
beings of a
sacred and
august race should here
practise singing and
piping; that they should
swell out their
cheeks in
blowing the
flute; that they should
take the
lead in
singing impure songs, and
raising the
loud din of the
castanets, by which another
crowd of
souls should be
led in their
wantonness to
abandon themselves to
clumsy motions, to
dance and
sing,
form rings of
dancers, and
finally,
raising their
haunches and
hips,
float along with a
tremulous motion of the
loins?
Was it for this He
sent souls, that in
men they should become
impure, in
women harlots,
players on the
triangle and
psaltery; that they should
prostitute their
bodies for
hire, should
abandon themselves to the
lust of all,
ready in the
brothels, to be
met with in the
stews,
ready to
submit to anything,
prepared to do
violence to their
mouth even?
43. What
say you,
O offspring and
descendants of the
Supreme Deity? Did these
souls, then,
wise, and
sprung from the first
causes, become
acquainted with such
forms of
baseness,
crime, and
bad feeling? and were they
ordered to
dwell here, and be
clothed with the
garment of the
human body, in
order that they might
engage in, might
practise these
evil deeds, and that very
frequently? And is there a
man with any
sense of
reason who
thinks that the
world was
established because of them, and not rather that it was
set up as a
seat and
home, in which every
kind of
wickedness should be
committed daily, all
evil deeds be done,
plots,
impostures,
frauds,
covetousness,
robberies,
violence,
impiety, all that is
presumptuous,
indecent,
base,
disgraceful, and all the other
evil deeds which
men devise over all the
earth with
guilty purpose, and
contrive for each other's
ruin?
44. But, you
say, they
came of their own
accord not
sent by their
lord. And where was the
Almighty Creator, where the
authority of His
royal and
exalted place, to
prevent their
departure, and not
suffer them to
fall into
dangerous pleasures? For if He
knew that by
change of
place they would become
base-and, as the
arranger of all
things, He must have
known-or that anything would
reach them from without which would make them
forget their
greatness and
moral dignity,-a
thousand times would I
beg of Him to
pardon my
words,-the
cause of all is no other than Himself, since He
allowed them to have
freedom to
wander who He
foresaw would not
abide by their
state of
innocence; and thus it is
brought about that it does not
matter whether they
came of their own
accord, or
obeyed His
command, since in not
preventing what should have been
prevented, by His
inaction He made the
guilt His own, and
permitted it before it was done by
neglecting to
withhold them from
action.
45. But let this
monstrous and
impious fancy be
put far from us, that
Almighty God, the
creator and
framer, the
author of
things great and
invisible, should be
believed to have
begotten souls so
fickle, with no
seriousness,
firmness, and
steadiness,
prone to
vice,
inclining to all
kinds of
sins; and while He
knew that they were such and of this
character, to have
bid them
enter into
bodies,
imprisoned in which, they should
live exposed to the
storms and
tempests of
fortune every
day, and now do
mean things, now
submit to
lewd treatment; that they might
perish by
shipwreck,
accidents,
destructive conflagrations; that
poverty might
oppress some,
beggary, others; that some might be
torn in
pieces by
wild beasts, others
perish by the
venom of
flies; that some might
limp in
walking, others
lose their
sight, others be
stiff with
cramped joints; in
fine, that they should be
exposed to all the
diseases which the
wretched and
pitiable human race endures with
agony caused by
different sufferings; then that,
forgetting that they have one
origin, one
father and
head, they should
shake to their
foundations and
violate the
rights of
kinship, should
overthrow their
cities,
lay waste their
lands as
enemies,
enslave the
free, do
violence to
maidens and to other
men's
wives,
hate each other,
envy the
joys and
good fortune of others; and further, all
malign,
carp at, and
tear each other to
pieces with
fiercely biting teeth.
46. But, to
say the same
things again and again, let this
belief, so
monstrous and
impious, be
put far from us, that.
God, who
preserves all
things, the
origin of the
virtues and
chief in
benevolence, and, to
exalt Him with
human praise, most
wise,
just,
making all
things perfect, and that
permanently, either made anything which was
imperfect and not
quite correct, or was the
cause of
misery or
danger to any
being, or
arranged,
commanded, and
enjoined the very
acts in which
man's
life is
passed and
employed to
flow from His
arrangement. These
things are
unworthy of Him, and
weaken the
force of His
greatness; and so
far from His
being believed to be their
author, whoever
imagines that
man is
sprung from Him is
guilty of
blasphemous impiety,
man, a
being miserable and
wretched, who is
sorry that he
exists,
hates and
laments his
state, and
understands that he was
produced for no other
reason than
lest evils should not have something through which to
spread themselves, and that there might always be
wretched ones by whose
agonies some
unseen and
cruel power,
adverse to
men, should be
gratified.
47. But, you
say, if
God is not the
parent and
father of
souls, by what
sire have they been
begotten, and how have they been
produced? If you
wish to
hear unvarnished statements not
spun out with
vain ostentation of
words, we, too,
admit that we are
ignorant of this, do not
know it; and we
hold that, to
know so
great a
matter, is not only beyond the
reach of our
weakness and
frailty, but beyond that also of all the
powers which are in the
world, and which have
usurped the
place of
deities in
men's
belief. But are we
bound to
show whose they are, because we
deny that they are
God's? That by no
means follows necessarily; for if we were to
deny that
flies,
beetles, and
bugs,
dormice,
weevils, and
moths, are made by the
Almighty King, we should not be
required in
consequence to
say who made and
formed them; for without
incurring any
censure, we
may not
know who, indeed,
gave them
being, and yet
assert that not by the
Supreme Deity were
creatures produced so
useless, so
needless, so
purposeless,
nay more, at
times even
hurtful, and
causing unavoidable injuries.
48. Here, too, in like
manner, when we
deny that
souls are the
offspring of
God Supreme, it does not
necessarily follow that we are
bound to
declare from what
parent they have
sprung, and by what
causes they have been
produced. For who
prevents us from
being either
ignorant of the
source from which they
issued and
came, or
aware that they are not
God's
descendants? By what
method, you
say, in what
way? Because it is most
true and
certain that, as has been
pretty frequently said, nothing is
effected, made,
determined by the
Supreme, except that which it is
right and
fitting should be done; except that which is
complete and
entire, and
wholly perfect in its
integrity. But further, we
see that
men, that is, these very
souls-for what are
men but
souls bound to
bodies?-themselves
show by
perversely falling into
vice,
times without
number, that they
belong to no
patrician race, but have
sprung from
insignificant families. For we
see some
harsh,
vicious,
presumptuous,
rash,
reckless,
blinded,
false,
dissemblers,
liars,
proud,
overbearing,
covetous,
greedy,
lustful,
fickle,
weak, and
unable to
observe their own
precepts; but they would
assuredly not be so, if their
original goodness defended them, and they
traced their
honourable descent from the
head of the
universe.
49. But, you will
say, there are
good men also in the
world,-
wise,
upright, of
faultless and
purest morals. We
raise no
question as to whether there ever were any such, in whom this very
integrity which is
spoken of was in nothing
imperfect. Even if they are very
honourable men, and have been
worthy of
praise, have
reached the
utmost height of
perfection, and their
life has never
wavered and
sunk into
sin, yet we would have you
tell us how many there are, or have been, that we
may judge from their
number whether a
comparison has been made which is
just and
evenly balanced. One,
two,
three,
four,
ten,
twenty, a
hundred, yet are they at least
limited in
number, and it
may be within the
reach of
names. But it is
fitting that the
human race should be
rated and
weighed, not by a very few
good men, but by all the
rest as well. For the
part is in the whole, not the whole in a
part; and that which is the whole should
draw to it its
parts, not the whole be
brought to its
parts. For what if you were to
say that a
man,
robbed of the
use of all his
limbs, and
shrieking in
bitter agony, was
quite well, because in one
little nail he
suffered no
pain? or that the
earth is made of
gold, because in one
hillock there are a few
small grains from which, when
dissolved,
gold is
produced, and
wonder excited at it when
formed into a
lump? The whole
mass shows the
nature of an
element, not
particles fine as
air; nor does the
sea become
forthwith sweet, if you
cast or
throw into it a few
drops of less
bitter water, for that
small quantity is
swallowed up in its
immense mass; and it must be
esteemed, not
merely of
little importance, but even of none, because,
being scattered throughout all, it is
lost and
cut off in the
immensity of the
vast body of
water.
50. You
say that there are
good men in the
human race; and perhaps, if we
compare them with the very
wicked, we
may be
led to
believe that there are. Who are they,
pray?
Tell us. The
philosophers, I
suppose, who
assert that they alone are most
wise, and who have been
uplifted with
pride from the
meaning attached to this
name, -those,
forsooth, who are
striving with their
passions every
day, and
struggling to
drive out, to
expel deeply-rooted passions from their
minds by the
persistent opposition of their
better qualities; who, that it
may be
impossible for them to be
led into
wickedness at the
suggestion of some
opportunity,
shun riches and
inheritances, that they
may remove from themselves
occasions of
stumbling; but in
doing this, and
being solicitous about it, they
show very
clearly that their
souls are, through their
weakness,
ready and
prone to
fall into
vice. In our
opinion, however, that which is
good naturally, does not
require to be either
corrected or i
reproved;
nay more, it should not
know what
evil is, if the
nature of each
kind would
abide in its own
integrity, for neither can
two contraries be
implanted in each other, nor can
equality be
contained in
inequality, nor
sweetness in
bitterness. He, then, who
struggles to
amend the
inborn depravity of his
inclinations,
shows most
clearly that he is
imperfect,
blameable, although he
may strive with all
zeal and
stedfastness.
51. But you
laugh at our
reply, because, while we
deny that
souls are of
royal descent, we do not, on the other
hand,
say in
turn from what
causes and
beginnings they have
sprung. But what
kind of
crime is it either to be
ignorant of anything, or to
confess quite openly that you do not
know that of which you are
ignorant? or whether does he rather seem to you most
deserving of
ridicule who
assumes to himself no
knowledge of some
dark subject; or he who
thinks that he
knows most
clearly that which
transcends human knowledge, and which has been
involved in
dark obscurity? If the
nature of everything were
thoroughly considered, you too are in a
position like that which you
censure in our
case. For you do not
say anything which has been
ascertained and
set most
clearly in the
light of
truth, because you
say that
souls descend from the
Supreme Ruler Himself, and
enter into the
forms of
men. For you
conjecture, do not
perceives this;
surmise, do not actually
know it; for if to
know is to
retain in the
mind that which you have yourself
seen or
known, not one of those
things which you
affirm can you
say that you have ever
seen-that is, that
souls descend from the
abodes and
regions above. You are therefore
making use of
conjecture, not
trusting clear information. But what is
conjecture, except a
doubtful imagining of
things, and
directing of the
mind upon nothing
accessible? He, then, who
conjectures, does not
comprehend, nor does he
walk in the
light of
knowledge. But if this is
true and
certain in the
opinion of
proper and very
wise judges, your
conjectures, too, in which you
trust, must be
regarded as
showing your
ignorance.
52. And yet,
lest you should
suppose that none but yourselves can make
use of
conjectures and
surmises, we too are
able to
bring them
forward as well, as your
question is
appropriate to either
side. Whence, you
say, are
men; and what or whence are the
souls of these
men? Whence, we will
ask, are
elephants,
bulls,
stags,
mules,
asses? Whence
lions,
horses,
dogs,
wolves,
panthers; and what or whence are the
souls of these
creatures? For it is not
credible that from that
Platonic cup, which
Timaeus prepares and
mixes, either their
souls came, or that the
locust,
mouse,
shrew,
cockroach,
frog,
centipede, should be
believed to have been
quickened and to
live, because they have a
cause and
origin of
birth in the
elements themselves, if there are in these
secret and very
little known means for
producing the
creatures which
live in each of them. For we
see that some of the
wise say that the
earth is
mother of
men, that others
join with it
water, that others
add to these
breath of
air, but that some
say that the
sun is their
framer, and that,
having been
quickened by his
rays, they are
filled with the
stir of
life. What if it is not these, and is something else another
cause another
method, another
power, in
fine,
unheard of and
unknown to us by
name, which
may have
fashioned the
human race, and
connected it with
things as
established;
may it not be that
men sprang up in this
way, and that the
cause of their
birth does not
go back to the
Supreme God? For what
reason do we
suppose that the
great Plato had-a man reverent and
scrupulous in his
wisdom-when he
withdrew the
fashioning of
man from the
highest God, and
transferred it to some
lesser deities. and when he would not have the
souls of
men formed of that
pure mixture of which he had made the
soul of the
universe, except that he
thought the
forming of
man unworthy of
God, and the
fashioning of a
feeble being not
beseeming His
greatness and
excellence?
53. Since this, then, is the
case, we do nothing out of
place or
foolish in
believing that the
souls of
men are of a
neutral character,
inasmuch as they have been
produced by
secondary beings, made
subject to the
law of
death, and are of
little strength, and that
perishable; and that they are
gifted with
immortality, if they
rest their
hope of so
great a
gift on
God Supreme, who alone has
power to
grant such
blessings, by
putting away
corruption. But this, you
say, we are
stupid in
believing. What is that to you? In so
believing, we
act most
absurdly,
sillily. In what do we
injure you, or what
wrong do we do or
inflict upon you, if we
trust that
Almighty God will
take care of us when we
leave our
bodies, and from the
jaws of
hell, as is
said,
deliver us?
54. Can, then, anything be made, some one will
say, without
God's will? We must
consider carefully, and
examine with no
little pains,
test, while we
think that we are
honouring God by such a
question, we
fall into the
opposite sin,
doing despite to His
supreme majesty. In what
way, on what
ground? Because, if all
things are
brought about by His will, and nothing in the
world can either
succeed or
fail contrary to His
pleasure, it
follows of
necessity that it should be
understood that all
evils, too,
arise by His will. But if, on the
contrary, we
chose to
say that He is
privy to and
produces no
evil, not
referring to Him the
causes of very
wicked deeds, the
worst things will begin to seem to be done either against His will, or, a
monstrous thing to
say, while He
knows it not, but is
ignorant and
unaware of them. But, again, if we
choose to
say that there are no
evils, as we
find some have
believed and
held, all
races will
cry out against us and all
nations together,
showing us their
sufferings, and the
various kinds of
dangers with which the
human race is every
moment distressed and
afflicted. Then they will
ask of us, Why, if there are no
evils, do you
refrain from
certain deeds and
actions? Why do you not do all that
eager lust has
required or
demanded? Why,
finally, do you
establish punishments by
terrible laws for the
guilty? For what more
monstrous act of
folly can be found than to
assert that there are no
evils, and at the same
time to
kill and
condemn the
erring as though they were
evil?
55. But when,
overcome, we
agree that there are these
things, and
expressly allow that all
human affairs are
full of them, they will next
ask, Why, then, the
Almighty God does not
take away these
evils, but
suffers them to
exist and to
go on without
ceasing through all the
ages? If we have
learned of
God the
Supreme Ruler, and have
resolved not to
wander in a
maze of
impious and
mad conjectures, we must
answer that we do not
know these
things, and have never
sought and
striven to
know things which could be
grasped by no
powers which we have, and that we, even
thinking it
preferable, rather
remain in
ignorance and
want of
knowledge than
say that without
God nothing is made, so that it should be
understood that by His will He is at once both the
source of
evil and the
occasion of
countless miseries. Whence then, you will
say, are all these
evils? From the
elements,
say the
wise, and from their
dissimilarity; but how it is
possible that
things which have not
feeling and
judgment should be
held to be
wicked or
criminal; or that he should not rather be
wicked and
criminal, who, to
bring about some
result,
took what was afterwards to become very
bad and
hurtful, -is for them to
consider, who make the
assertion. What, then, do we
say? whence? There is no
necessity that we should
answer, for whether we are
able to
say whence
evil springs, or our
power fails us, and we are
unable, in either
case it is a
small matter in our
opinion; nor do we
hold it of much
importance either to
know or to be
ignorant of it,
being content to have
laid down but one
thing,-that nothing
proceeds from
God Supreme which is
hurtful and
pernicious. This we are
assured of, this we
know, on this one
truth of
knowledge and
science we
take our
stand,-that nothing is made by Him except that which is for the
well-being of all, which is
agreeable, which is very
full of
love and
joy and
gladness, which has
unbounded and
imperishable pleasures, which every one
may ask in all his
prayers to
befall him, and
think that otherwise
life is
pernicious and
fatal.
56. As for all the other
things which are
usually dwelt upon in
inquiries and
discussions-from what
parents they have
sprung, or by whom they are
produced-we neither
strive to
know, nor
care to
inquire or
examine: we
leave all
things to their own
causes, and do not
consider that they have been
connected and
associated with that which we
desire should
befall us. For what is there which
men of
ability do not
dare to
overthrow, to
destroy, from
love of
contradiction, although that which they
attempt to
invalidate is
unobjectionable and
manifest, and
evidently bears the
stamp of
truth? Or what, again, can they not
maintain with
plausible arguments, although it
may be very
manifestly untrue, although it
may be a
plain and
evident falsehood? For when a
man has
persuaded himself that there is or is not something, he
likes to
affirm what he
thinks, and to
show greater subtlety than others,
especially if the
subject discussed is out of the
ordinary track, and by
nature abstruse and
obscure. Some of the
wise think that the
world was not
created, and will never
perish; some that it is
immortal, although they
say that it was
created and made; while a
third party have
chosen to
say that it both was
created and made, and will
perish as other
things must. And while of these
three opinions one only must be
true, they nevertheless all
find arguments by which at once to
uphold their own
doctrines, and
undermine and
overthrow the
dogmas of others. Some
teach and
declare that this same
world is
composed of
four elements, others of
two, a
third party of one; some
say that it is
composed of none of these, and that
atoms are that from which it is
formed, and its
primary origin. And since of these
opinions only one is
true, but not one of them
certain, here too, in like
manner,
arguments present themselves to all with which they
may both
establish the
truth of what they
say, and
show that there are some
things false in the others'
opinions. So, too, some
utterly deny the
existence of the
gods; others
say that they are
lost in
doubt as to whether they
exist anywhere; others, however,
say that they do
exist, but do not
trouble themselves about
human things;
nay others
maintain that they both
take part in the
affairs of
men, and
guide the
course of
earthly events.
57. While, then, this is the
case, and it cannot but be that only one of all these
opinions is
true, they all nevertheless make
use of
arguments in
striving with each other,-and not one of them is without something
plausible to
say, whether in
affirming his own
views, or
objecting to the
opinions of others. In
exactly the same
way is the
condition of
souls discussed. For I this one
thinks that they both are
immortal, and
survive the end of our
earthly life; that one
believes that they do not
survive, but
perish with the
bodies themselves: the
opinion of another, however, is that they
suffer nothing
immediately, but that, after the
form of
man has been
laid aside, they are
allowed to
live a
little longer, and then
come under the
power of
death. And while all these
opinions cannot be
alike true, yet all who
hold them so
support their
case by
strong and very
weighty arguments, that you cannot
find out anything which seems
false to you, although on every
side you
see that
things are
being said altogether at
variance with each other, and
inconsistent from their
opposition to each other; which
assuredly would not
happen, if
man s
curiosity could
reach any
certainty, or if that which seemed to one to have been
really discovered, was
attested by the
approval of all the others. It is therefore
wholly vain, a
useless task, to
bring forward something as though you
knew it, or to
wish to
assert that you
know that which, although it should be
true, you
see can be
refuted; or to
receive that as
true which it
may be is not, and is
brought forward as if by
men raving. And it is
rightly so, for we do not
weigh and
guess at
divine things by
divine, but by
human methods; and
just as we
think that anything should have been made, so we
assert that it must be.
58. What, then, are we alone
ignorant? do we alone not
know who is the
creator, who the former of
souls, what
cause fashioned man, whence
ills have
broken forth, or why the
Supreme Ruler allows them both to
exist and be
perpetrated, and does not
drive them from the
world? have you, indeed,
ascertained and
learned any of these
things with
certainty? If you
chose to
lay aside audacious conjectures, can you
unfold and
disclose whether this
world m which we
dwell was
created or
founded at some
time? if it was
founded and made, by what
kind of
work,
pray, or for what
purpose? Can you
bring forward and
disclose the
reason why it does not
remain fixed and
immoveable, but is ever
being carried round in a
circular motion? whether it
revolves of its own will and
choice, or is
turned by the
influence of some
power? what the
place, too, and
space is in which it is
set and
revolves,
boundless,
bounded,
hollow, or
solid? whether it is
supported by an
axis resting on
sockets at its
extremities, or rather itself
sustains by its own
power, and by the
spirit within it
upholds itself? Can you, if
asked, make it
clear, and
show most
skilfully, what
opens out the
snow into
feathery flakes? what was the
reason and
cause that
day did not, in
dawning,
arise in the
west, and
veil its
light in the
east? how the
sun, too, by one and the same
influence,
produces results so
different,
nay, even so
opposite? what the
moon is, what the
stars? why, on the one
hand, it does not
remain of the same
shape, or why it was
right and
necessary that these
particles of
fire should be
set all over the
world? why some of them are
small, others
large and
greater,-these have a
dim light, those a more
vivid and
shining brightness?
59. If that which it has
pleased us to
know is within
reach, and if such
knowledge is
open to all,
declare to us, and
say how and by what
means showers of
rain are
produced, so that
water is
held suspended in the
regions above and in
mid-air, although by
nature it is
apt to
glide away, and so
ready to
flow and
run downwards.
Explain, I
say, and
tell what it is which
sends the
hail whirling through the
air, which makes the
rain fall drop by
drop, which has
spread out
rain and
feathery flakes of
snow and
sheets of
lightning; whence the
wind rises, and what it is; why the
changes of the
seasons were
established, when it might have been
ordained that there should be only one, and one
kind of
climate, so that there should be nothing
wanting to the
world's
completeness. What is the
cause, what the
reason, that the
waters of the
sea are
salt; or that, of those on
land, some are
sweet, others
bitter or
cold? From what
kind of
material have the
inner parts of
men's
bodies been
formed and
built up into
firmness? From what have their
bones been made
solid? what made the
intestines and
veins shaped like
pipes, and
easily passed through? Why, when it would be
better to
give us
light by several
eyes, to
guard against the
risk of
blindness, are we
restricted to
two? For what
purpose have so
infinite and
innumerable kinds of
monsters and
serpents been I either
formed or
brought forth? what
purpose do
owls serve in the
world,-
falcons,
hawks? what other
birds and
winged creatures? what the
different kinds of
ants and
worms springing up to be a
bane and
pest in
various ways? what
fleas,
obtrusive flies,
spiders,
shrew, and other
mice,
leeches,
water-spinners? what
thorns,
briers,
wild-oats,
tares? what the
seeds of
herbs or
shrubs, either
sweet to the
nostrils, or
disagreeable in
smell?
Nay more, if you
think that anything can be
known or
comprehended,
say what
wheat is,-
spelt,
barley,
millet, the
chick-pea,
bean,
lentil,
melon,
cumin,
scallion,
leek,
onion? For even if they are
useful to you, and are
ranked among the
different kinds of
food, it is not
alight or
easy thing to
know what each is,-why they have been
formed with such
shapes; whether there was any
necessity that they should not have had other
tastes,
smells, and
colours than those which each has, or whether they could have
taken others also; further, what these very
things are,-
taste, I
mean, and the
rest; and from what
relations they
derive their
differences of
quality. From the
elements, you
say, and from the first
beginnings of
things. Are the
elements, then,
bitter or
sweet? have they any
odour or
stench, that we should
believe that, from their
uniting,
qualities were
implanted in their
products by which
sweetness is
produced, or something
prepared offensive to the
senses?
60.
Seeing, then, that the
origin, the
cause, the
reason of so many and so
important things,
escapes you yourselves also, and that you can neither
say nor
explain what has been made, nor why and
wherefore it should not have been otherwise, do you
assail and
attack our
timidity, who
confess that we do not
know that which cannot be
known, and who do not
care to
seek out and
inquire into those
things which it is
quite clear cannot be
understood, although
human conjecture should
extend and
spread itself through a
thousand hearts? And therefore
Christ the
divine,-although you are
unwilling to
allow it,-
Christ the
divine, I
repeat, for this must be
said often, that the
ears of
unbelievers may burst and be
rent asunder,
speaking in the
form of
man by
command of the
Supreme God, because He
knew that
men are
naturally blind, and cannot
grasp the
truth at all, or
regard as
sure and
certain what they might have
persuaded themselves as to
things set before their
eyes, and do not
hesitate, for the
sake of their
conjectures, to
raise and
bring up
questions that
cause much
strife,-
bade us
abandon and
disregard all these
things of which you
speak, and not
waste our
thoughts upon
things which have been
removed far from our
knowledge, but, as much as
possible,
seek the
Lord of the
universe with the whole
mind and
spirit; be
raised above these
subjects, and
give over to Him our
hearts, as yet
hesitating whither to
turn; be ever
mindful of Him; and although no
imagination can
set Him
forth as He is, yet
form some
faint conception of Him. For
Christ said that, of all who are
comprehended in the
vague notion of what is
sacred and
divine, He alone is beyond the
reach of
doubt, alone
true, and one about whom only a
raving and
reckless madman can be in
doubt; to
know whom is enough, although you have
learned nothing besides; and if by
knowledge you have indeed been
related to
God, the
head of the
world, you have
gained the
true and most
important knowledge.
61. What
business of yours is it, He
says, to
examine, to
inquire who made
man; what is the
origin of
souls; who
devised the
causes of
ills; whether the
sun is
larger than the
earth, or
measures only a
foot in
breadth: whether the
moon shines with
borrowed light, or from her own
brightness,-
things which there is neither
profit in
knowing, nor
loss in not
knowing?
Leave these
things to
God, and
allow Him to
know what is,
wherefore, or whence; whether it must have been or not; whether something always
existed, or whether it was
produced at the first; whether it should be
annihilated or
preserved,
consumed,
destroyed, or
restored in
fresh vigour. Your
reason is not
permitted to
involve you in such
questions, and to be
busied to no
purpose about
things so much out of
reach. Your
interests are in
jeopardy,-the
salvation, I
mean, of your
souls; and unless you
give yourselves to
seek to
know the
Supreme God, a
cruel death awaits you when
freed from the
bonds of
body, not
bringing sudden annihilation, but
destroying by the
bitterness of its
grievous and
long-protracted punishment.
62. And be not
deceived or
deluded with
vain hopes by that which is
said by some
ignorant and most
presumptuous pretenders, that they are
born of
God, and are not
subject to the
decrees of
fate; that His
palace lies open to them if they
lead a
life of
temperance, and that after
death as
men, they are
restored without
hindrance, as if to their
father's
abode; nor by that which the
Magi assert, that they have
intercessory prayers,
won over by which some
powers make the
way easy to those who are
striving to
mount to
heaven; nor by that which
Etruria holds out in the
Acherontic books, that
souls become
divine, and are
freed from the
law of
death, if the
blood of
certain animals is
offered to
certain deities. These are
empty delusions, and
excite vain desires. None but the
Almighty God can
preserve souls; nor is there any one besides who can
give them
length of
days, and
grant to them also a
spirit which shall never
die, except He who alone is
immortal and
everlasting, and
restricted by no
limit of
time. For since all the
gods, whether those who are
real, or those who are
merely said to be from
hearsay and
conjecture, are
immortal and
everlasting by His
good-will and
free gift, how can it be that others are
able to
give that which they themselves have, while they have it as the
gift of another,
bestowed by a
greater power? Let
Etruria sacrifice what
victims it
may, let the
wise deny themselves all the
pleasures of
life, let the
Magi soften and
soothe all
lesser powers, yet, unless
souls have
received from the
Lord of all
things that which
reason demands, and does so by His
command, it will hereafter
deeply repent having made itself a
laughing-stock, when it
begins to
feel the
approach of
death.
63. But if, my
opponents say,
Christ was
sent by
God for this end, that He might
deliver unhappy souls from
ruin and
destruction, of what
crime were former
ages guilty which were
cut off in their
mortal state before He
came? Can you, then,
know what has become of these
souls of
men who
lived long ago? whether they, too, have not been
aided,
provided, and
cared for in some
way? Can you, I
say,
know that which could have been
learned through
Christ's
teaching; whether the
ages are
unlimited in
number or not since the
human race began to be on the
earth; when
souls were first
bound to
bodies; who
contrived that
binding,
nay, rather, who
formed man himself; whither the
souls of
men who
lived before us have
gone; in what
parts or
regions of the
world they were; whether they were
corruptible or not; whether they could have
encountered the
danger of
death, if
Christ had not
come forward as their
preserver at their
time of
need?
Lay aside these
cares, and
abandon questions to which you can
find no
answer. The
Lord's
compassion has been
shown to them, too, and the
divine kindness has been
extended to all
alike; they have been
preserved, have been
delivered, and have
laid aside the
lot and.
condition of
mortality. Of what
kind, my
opponents ask, what, when? If you were
free from
presumption,
arrogance, and
conceit, you might have
learned long ago from this
teacher.
64. But, my
opponents ask, if
Christ came as the
Saviour of
men, as you
say, why does He not, with
uniform benevolence,
free all without
exception? I
reply, does not He
free all
alike who
invites all
alike? or does He
thrust back or
repel any one from the
kindness of the
Supreme who
gives to all
alike the
power of
coming to Him,-to
men of
high rank, to the
meanest slaves, to
women, to
boys? To all, He
says, the
fountain of
life is
open, and no one is
hindered or
kept back from
drinking. If you are so
fastidious as to
spurn the
kindly offered gift,
nay, more, if your
wisdom is so
great that you
term those
things which are
offered by
Christ ridiculous and
absurd, why should He
keep on
inviting you, while His only
duty is to make the
enjoyment of His
bounty depend upon your own
free choice?
God,
Plato says, does not
cause any one to
choose his
lot in
life; nor can another's
choice be
rightly attributed to any one, since
freedom of
choice was
put in His
power who made it. Must you be even
implored to
deign to
accept the
gift of
salvation from
God; and must
God's
gracious mercy be
poured into your
bosom while you
reject it with
disdain, and
flee very
far from it? Do you
choose to
take what is
offered, and
turn it to your own
advantage? You will in that
case have
consulted your own
interests. Do you
reject with
disdain,
lightly esteem, and
despise it? You will in this
case have
robbed yourself of the
benefit of the
gift.
God compels no one,
terrifies no one with
overpowering fear. For our
salvation is not
necessary to Him, so that He would
gain anything or
suffer any
loss, if He either made us
divine, or
allowed us to be
annihilated and
destroyed by
corruption.
65.
Nay, my
opponent says, if
God is
powerful,
merciful,
willing to
save us, let Him
change our
dispositions, and
compel us to
trust in His
promises. This, then, is
violence, not
kindness nor the
bounty of the
Supreme God, but a
childish and
vain strife in
seeking to
get the
mastery. For what is so
unjust as to
force men who are
reluctant and
unwilling, to
reverse their
inclinations; to
impress forcibly on their
minds what they are
unwilling to
receive, and
shrink from; to
injure before
benefiting, and to
bring to another
way of
thinking and
feeling, by taking away the former? You who
wish yourself to be
changed, and to
suffer violence, that you
may do and
may be
compelled to
take to yourself that which you do not
wish, why do you
refuse of your own
accord to
select that which you
wish to do, when
changed and
transformed? I am
unwilling, He
says, and have no
wish. What, then, do you
blame God as though He
failed you? do you
wish Him to
bring you
help, whose
gifts and
bounties you not only
reject and
shun, but
term empty words, and
assail with
jocose witticisms? Unless, then, my
opponent says, I shall be a
Christian, I cannot
hope for
salvation. It is
just as you yourself
say. For, to
bring salvation and
impart to
souls what should be
bestowed and must be
added,
Christ alone has had
given into His
charge and
entrusted to Him by
God the
Father, the
remote and more
secret causes being so
disposed. For, as with you,
certain gods have
fixed offices,
privileges,
powers, and you do not
ask from any of them what is not in his
power and
permitted to him, so it is the
right of
Christ alone to
give salvation to
souls, and
assign them
everlasting life. For if you
believe that
father Bacchus can
give a
good vintage, but cannot
give relief from
sickness; if you
believe that
Ceres can
give good crops,
Aesculapius health,
Neptune one
thing,
Juno another, that
Fortune,
Mercury,
Vulcan, are each the
giver of a
fixed and
particular thing,-this, too, you must
needs receive from us, that
souls can
receive from no one
life and
salvation, except from Him to whom the
Supreme Ruler gave this
charge and
duty. The
Almighty Master of the
world has
determined that this should be the
way of
salvation,-this the
door, so to
say, of
life; by Him alone is there
access to the
light: nor
may men either
creep in or
enter elsewhere, all other
ways being shut up and
secured by an
impenetrable barrier.
66. So, then, even if you are
pure, and have been
cleansed from every
stain of
vice, have
won over and
charmed those
powers not to
shut the
ways against you and
bar your
passage when
returning to
heaven, by no
efforts will you be
able to
reach the
prize of
immortality, unless by
Christ's
gift you have
perceived what
constitutes this very
immortality, and have been
allowed to
enter on the
true life. For as to that with which you have been in the
habit of
taunting us, that our
religion is
new, and
arose a few
days ago, almost, and that you could not
abandon the
ancient faith which you had
inherited from your
fathers, and
pass over to
barbarous and
foreign rites, this is
urged wholly without
reason. For what if in this
way we
chose to
blame the
preceding, even the most
ancient ages, because when they
discovered how to
raise crops, they
despised acorns, and
rejected with
scorn the
wild strawberry; because they
ceased to be
covered with the
bark of
trees and
clad in the
hides of
wild beasts, after that
garments of
cloth were
devised, more
useful and
convenient in
wearing; or because, when
houses were
built, and more
comfortable dwellings erected, they did not
cling to their
ancient huts, and did not
prefer to
remain nuder rocks and
caves like the
beasts of the
field? It is a
disposition possessed by all, and
impressed on us almost from our
cradles even, to
prefer good things to
bad,
useful to
useless things, and to
pursue and
seek that with more
pleasure which has been
generally regarded as more than
usually precious, and to
set on that our
hopes for
prosperity and
favourable circumstances.
67. Therefore, when you
urge against us that we
turn away from the
religion of
past ages, it is
fitting that you should
examine why it is done, not what is
crone, and not
set before you what we have
left, but
observe especially what we have
followed. For if it is a
fault or
crime to
change an
opinion, and
pass from
ancient customs to
new conditions and
desires, this
accusation holds against you too, who have so often
changed your
habits and
mode of
life, who have
gone over to other
customs and
ceremonies, so that you are
condemned by
past ages as well as we. Do you indeed have the
people distributed into
five classes, as your
ancestors once had? Do you ever
elect magistrates by
vote of the
people? Do you
know what
military,
urban, and
common comitia are? Do you
watch the
sky, or
put an end to
public business because
evil omens are
announced? When you are
preparing for
war, do you
hang out a
flag from the
citadel, or
practise the
forms of the
Fetiales,
solemnly demanding the
return of what has been
carried off? or, when
encountering the
dangers of
war, do you begin to
hope also, because of
favourable omens from the
points of the
spears? In
entering on
office, do you still
observe the
laws fixing the
proper times? with
regard to
gifts and
presents to
advocates, do you
observe the
Cincian and the
sumptuary laws in
restricting your
expenses? Do you
maintain fires, ever
burning, in
gloomy sanctuaries? Do you
consecrate tables by
putting on them
salt-cellars and
images of the
gods? When you
marry, do you
spread the
couch with a
toga, and
invoke the
genii of
husbands? do you
arrange the
hair of
brides with the
hasta caelibaris? do you
bear the
maidens'
garments to the
temple of
Fortuna Virginalis? Do your
matrons work in the
halls of your
houses,
showing their
industry openly do they
refrain from
drinking wine? are their
friends and
relations allowed to
kiss them, in
order to
show that they are
sober and
temperate?
68. On the
Alban hill, it was not
allowed in
ancient times to
sacrifice any but
snow-white bulls: have you not
changed that
custom and
religious observance, and has it not been
enacted by
decree of the
senate, that
reddish ones may be
offered? While during the
reigns of
Romulus and
Pompilius the
inner parts,
having been
quite thoroughly cooked and
softened, were
burnt up in
sacrificing to the
gods, did you not begin, under
king Tullius, to
hold them out
half-raw and
slightly warm,
paying no
regard to the former
usage? While before the
arrival of
Hercules in
Italy supplication was made to
father Dis and
Saturn with the
heads of
men by
Apollo's
advice; have you not, in like
manner,
changed this
custom too, by
means of
cunning deceit and
ambiguous names? Since, then, yourselves also have
followed at one
time these
customs, at another
different laws, and have
repudiated and
rejected many
things on either
perceiving your
mistakes or
seeing something
better, what have we done
contrary to
common sense and the
discretion all
men have, if we have
chosen what is
greater and more
certain, and have not
suffered ourselves to be
held back by
unreasoning respect for
impostures?
69. But our
name is
new, we are
told, and the
religion which we
follow arose but a few
days ago.
Granting for the
present that what you
urge against us is not
untrue, what is there, I would
ask, among the
affairs of
men that is either done by
bodily exertion and
manual labour, or
attained by the
mind's
learning and
knowledge, which did not begin at some
time, and
pass into
general use and
practice since then?
Medicine,
philosophy,
music, and all the other
arts by which
social life has been
built up and
refined,-were these
born with
men, and did they not rather begin to be
pursued,
understood, and
practised lately,
nay, rather, but a
short time since? Before the
Etruscan Tages saw the
light, did any one
know or
trouble himself to
know and
learn what
meaning there was in the
fall of
thunderbolts, or in the
veins of the
victims sacrificed? When did the
motion of the
stars or the
art of
calculating nativities begin to be
known? Was it not after
Theutis the
Egyptian; or after
Atlas, as some
say, the
bearer,
supporter,
stay, and
prop of the
skies?
70. But why do I
speak of these
trivial things? The
immortal gods themselves, whose
temples you now
enter with
reverence, whose
deity you
suppliantly adore, did they not at
certain times, as is
handed down by your
writings and
traditions, begin to be, to be
known and to be
invoked by
names and
titles which were
given to them? For if it is
true that
Jupiter with his
brothers was
born of
Saturn and his
wife, before
Ops was
married and
bore children Jupiter had not
existed both the
Supreme and the
Stygian, no, nor the
lord of the
sea, nor
Juno,
nay more, no one
inhabited the
heavenly seats except the
two parents; but from their
union the other
gods were
conceived and
born, and
breathed the
breath of
life. So, then, at a
certain time the
god Jupiter began to be, at a
certain time to
merit worship and
sacrifices, at a
certain time to be
set above his
brothers in
power. But, again, if
Liber,
Venus,
Diana,
Mercury,
Apollo,
Hercules, the
Muses, the
Tyndarian brothers, and
Vulcan the
lord of
fire, were
begotten by
father Jupiter, and
born of a
parent sprung from
Saturn, before that
Memory,
Alcmena,
Maia,
Juno,
Latona,
Leda,
Dione, and
Semele also
bore children to
Diespiter; these
deities, too, were nowhere in the
world, nor in any
part of the
universe, but by
Jupiter's
embraces they were
begotten and
born, and
began to have some
sense of their own
existence. So then, these, too,
began to be at a
certain time, and to be
summoned among the
gods to the
sacred rites. This we
say, in like
manner, of
Minerva. For if, as you
assert, she
burst forth from
Jupiter's
head ungenerated, before
Jupiter was
begotten, and
received in his
mother's
womb the
shape and
outline of his
body, it is
quite certain that
Minerva did not
exist, and was not
reckoned among
things or as
existing at all; but from
Jove's
head she was
born, and
began to have a
real existence. She therefore has an
origin at the first, and
began to be
called a
goddess at a
certain time, to be
set up in
temples, and to be
consecrated by the
inviolable obligations of
religion. Now as this is the
case, when you
talk of the
novelty of our
religion, does your own not
come into your
thoughts, and do you not
take care to
examine when your
gods sprung up,-what
origins, what
causes they have, or from what
stocks they have
burst forth and
sprung? But how
shameful how
shameless it is to
censure that in another which you
see that you do yourself,-to
take occasion to
revile and
accuse others for
things which can be
retorted upon you in
turn!
71. But our
rites are
new; yours are
ancient, and of
excessive antiquity, we are
told. And what
help does that
give you, or how does it
damage our
cause and
argument? The
belief which we
hold is
new; some
day even it, too, will become
old: yours is
old; but when it
arose, it was
new and
unheard of. The
credibility of a
religion, however, must not be
determined by its
age, but by its
divinity; and you should
consider not when, but what you
began to
worship.
Four hundred years ago, my
opponent says, your
religion did not
exist. And
two thousand years ago, I
reply, your
gods did not
exist. By what
reckoning, you
ask, or by what
calculations, can that be
inferred? They are not
difficult, not
intricate, but can be
seen by any one who will
take them in
hand even, as the
saying is. Who
begot Jupiter and his
brothers?
Saturn with
Ops, as you
relate,
sprung from
Coelus and
Hecate. Who
begot Picus, the
father of
Faunus and
grandfather of
Latinus?
Saturn, as you again
hand down by your
books and
teachers? Therefore, if this is the
case,
Picus and
Jupiter are in
consequence united by the
bond of
kinship,
inasmuch as they are
sprung from one
stock and
race. It is
clear, then, that what we
say is
true. How many
steps are there in
coming down from
Jupiter and
Picus to
Latinus?
Three, as the
line of
succession shows. Will you
suppose Faunus,
Latinus, and
Picus to have each
lived a
hundred and
twenty years, for beyond this it is that
man's
life cannot be
prolonged? The
estimation is well
grounded and
clear. There are, then,
three hundred and
sixty years garter these? It is
just as the
calculation shows. Whose
father-in-law was
Latinus?
Aeneas'. Whose
father was he? He was
father of the
founder of the
town Alba. How many
years did
kings reign in
Alba?
Four hundred and
twenty almost. Of what
age is the
city Rome shown to be in the
annals? It
reckons ten hundred and
fifty years, or not much less. So, then, from
Jupiter, who is the
brother of
Picus and
father of the other and
lesser gods, down to the
present time, there are
nearly, or to
add a
little to the
time,
altogether,
two thousand years. Now since this cannot be
contradicted, not only is the
religion to which you
adhere shown to have
sprung up
lately; but it is also
shown that the
gods themselves, to whom you
heap up
bulls and other
victims at the
risk of
bringing on
disease, are
young and
little children, who should still be
fed with their
mothers'
milk.
72. But your
religion precedes ours by many
years, and is therefore, you
say,
truer, because it has been
supported by the
authority of
antiquity. And of what
avail is it that it should
precede ours as many
years as you
please, since it
began at a
certain time? or what are
two thousand years,
compared with so many
thousands of
ages? And yet,
lest we should seem to
betray our
cause by so
long neglect,
say, if it does not
annoy you, does the
Almighty and
Supreme God seem to you to be something
new; and do those who
adore and
worship Him seem to you to
support and
introduce an
unheard-of,
unknown, and
upstart religion? Is there anything
older than Him? or can anything be found
preceding Him in
being,
time,
name? Is not He alone
uncreated,
immortal, and
everlasting? Who is the
head and
fountain of
things? is not He? To whom does
eternity owe its
name? is it not to Him? Is it not because He is
everlasting, that the
ages go on without end? This is beyond
doubt, and
true: the
religion which we
follow is not
new, then, but we have been
late in
learning what we should
follow and
revere, or where we should both
fix our
hope of
salvation, and
employ the
aid given to
save us. For He had not yet
shone forth who was to
point out the
way to those
wandering from it, and
give the
light of
knowledge to those who were
lying in the
deepest darkness, and
dispel the
blindness of their
ignorance.
73. But are we alone in this
position? What! have you not
introduced into the
number of your
gods the
Egyptian deities named Serapis and
Isis, since the
consulship of
Piso and
Gabinius? What! did you not begin both to
know and be
acquainted with, and to
worship with
remarkable honours, the
Phrygian mother-who, it is
said, was first
set up as a
goddess by
Midas or
Dardanus-when Hannibal, the
Carthaginian, was
plundering Italy and
aiming at the
empire of the
world? Are not the
sacred rites of
mother Ceres, which were
adopted but a
little while
ago,
called Graeca because they were
unknown to you, their
name bearing witness to their
novelty? Is it not
said in the
writings of the
learned, that the
rituals of
Numa Pompilius do not
contain the
name of
Apollo? Now it is
clear and
manifest from this, that he, too, was
unknown to you. but that at some
time afterwards he
began to be
known also. If any one, therefore, should
ask yon why you have so
lately begun to
worship those
deities whom we
mentioned just now, it is
certain that you will
reply, either because we were
C lately not
aware that they were
gods, or because we have now been
warned by the
seers, or because, in very
trying circumstances, we have been
preserved by their
favour and
help. But if you
think that this is well
said by you, you must
consider that, on our
part, a
similar reply has been made. Our
religion has
sprung up
just now; for now He has
arrived who was
sent to
declare it to us, to
bring us to its
truth; to
show what
God is; to
summon us from
mere conjectures, to His
worship.
74. And why, my,
opponent says, did
God, the
Ruler and
Lord of the
universe,
determine that a
Saviour,
Christ, should be
sent to you from the
heights of
heaven a few
hours ago, as it is
said? We
ask you too, on the other
hand, what
cause, what
reason is there that the
seasons sometimes do not
recur at their own
months, but that
winter,
summer, and
autumn come too
late? why, after the
crops have been
dried up and the
corn has
perished,
showers sometimes
fall which should have
dropped on them while yet
uninjured, and made
provision for the
wants of the
time?
Nay, this we rather
ask, why, if it were
fitting that
Hercules should be
born,
Aesculapius,
Mercury,
Liber, and some others, that they might be both
added to the
assemblies of the
gods, and might do
men some
service,-why they were
produced so
late by
Jupiter, that only later
ages should
know them, while the
past ages of those who
went before
knew them not? You will
say that there was some
reason. There was then some
reason here also that the
Saviour of our
race came not
lately, but
to-day. What, then, you
ask, is the
reason? We do not
deny that we do not
know. For it is not within the
power of any one to
see the
mind of
God, or the
way in which He has
arranged His
plans.
Man, a
blind creature, and not
knowing himself even, can in no
way learn what should
happen, when, or what its
nature is: the
Father Himself, the
Governor and
Lord of all, alone
knows. Nor, if I have been
unable to
disclose to you the
causes why something is done in this
way or that, does it
straightway follow, that what has been done becomes not done, and that a
thing becomes
incredible, which has been
shown to be beyond
doubt by such
virtues and
powers.
75. You
may object and
rejoin, Why was the
Saviour sent forth so
late? In
unbounded,
eternal ages, we
reply, nothing whatever should be
spoken of as
late. For where there is no end and no beginning, nothing is too
soon, nothing too
late. For
time is
perceived from its
beginnings and
endings, which an
unbroken line and
endless succession of
ages cannot have. For what if the
things themselves to which it was
necessary to
bring help,
required that as a
fitting time? For what if the
condition of
antiquity was
different from that of later
times? What if it was
necessary to
give help to the
men of
old in one
way, to
provide for their
descendants in another? Do ye not
hear your own
writings read,
telling that there were once
men who were
demi-gods,
heroes with
immense and
huge bodies? Do you not
read that
infants on their
mothers'
breasts shrieked like.
Stentors, whose
bones, when
dug up in
different parts of the
earth, have made the
discoverers almost
doubt that they were the
remains of
human limbs? So, then, it
may be that
Almighty God, the only
God,
sent forth Christ then indeed, after that the
human race, becoming
feebler,
weaker,
began to be such as we are. If that which has been done now could have been done
thousands of
years ago, the
Supreme Ruler would have done it; or if it had been
proper, that what has been done now should be
accomplished as many
thousands after this, nothing
compelled God to
anticipate the
necessary lapse of
time. His
plans are
executed in
fixed ways; and that which has been once
decided on, can in no
wise be
changed again.
76.
Inasmuch then, you
say, as you
serve the
Almighty God, and
trust that He
cares for your
safety and
salvation, why does He
suffer you to be
exposed to such
storms of
persecution, and to
undergo all
kinds of
punishments and
tortures? Let us, too,
ask in
reply, why,
seeing that you
worship so
great and so
innumerable gods, and
build temples to them,
fashion images of
gold,
sacrifice herds of
animals, and all
heap up
boxfuls of
incense on the already
loaded altars, why you
live subject to so many
dangers and
storms of
calamity, with which many
fatal misfortunes vex you every
day? Why, I
say, do your
gods neglect to
avert from you so many
kinds of
disease and
sickness,
shipwrecks,
downfalls,
conflagrations,
pestilences,
barrenness,
loss of
children, and
confiscation of
goods,
discords,
wars,
enmities,
captures of
cities, and the
slavery of those who are
robbed of their
rights of
free birth? But, my
opponent says, in such
mischances we, too, are in no
wise helped by
God. The
cause is
plain and
manifest. For no
hope has been
held out to us with
respect to this
life, nor has any
help been
promised or
aid decreed us for what
belongs to the
husk of this
flesh,-
nay, more, we have been
taught to
esteem and
value lightly all the
threats of
fortune, whatever they be; and if ever any very
grievous calamity has
assailed us, to
count as
pleasant in that
misfortune the end which must
follow, and not to
fear or
flee from it, that we
may be the more
easily released from the
bonds of the
body, and
escape from our
darkness and
blindness.
77. Therefore that
bitterness of
persecution of which you
speak is our
deliverance and not
persecution, and our
ill-treatment will not
bring evil upon us, but will
lead us to the
light of
liberty. As if some
senseless and
stupid fellow were to
think that he never
punished a
man who had been
put into
prison with
severity and
cruelty, unless he were to
rage against the very
prison,
break its
stones in
pieces, and
burn its
roof, its
wall, its
doors; and
strip,
overthrow, and
dash to the
ground its other
parts, not
knowing that thus he was
giving light to him whom he seemed to be
injuring, and was taking from him the
accursed darkness: in like
manner, you too, by the
flames,
banishments,
tortures, and
monsters with which you
tear in
pieces and
rend asunder our
bodies, do not
rob us of
life, but
relieve us of our
skins, not
knowing that, as
far as you
assault and
seek to
rage against these our
shadows and
forms, so
far you
free us from
pressing and
heavy chains, and
cutting our
bonds, make us
fly up to the
light.
78.
Wherefore,
O men,
refrain from
obstructing what you
hope for by
vain questions; nor should you, if anything is otherwise than you
think,
trust your own
opinions rather than that which should be
reverenced. The
times,
full of
dangers,
urge us, and
fatal penalties threaten us; let us
flee for
safety to
God our
Saviour, without
demanding the
reason of the
offered gift. When that at
stake is our
souls'
salvation and our own
interests, something must be done even without
reason, as
Arrhianus approves of
Epictetus having said. We
doubt, we
hesitate, and
suspect the
credibility of what is
said; let us
commit ourselves to
God, and let not our
incredulity prevail more with us than the
greatness of His
name and
power,
lest, while we are
seeking out
arguments for ourselves, through which that
may seem
false which we do not
wish and
deny to be
true, the last
day steal upon us, and we be found in the
jaws of our
enemy,
death.