Dialogue

 1 Charm|          logic, and the progress of science, have in these two respects
 2 Charm|           by an ‘or’—e.g. (Greek), ‘science’ or ‘knowledge,’ (Greek), ‘
 3 Charm|             same opposition between science and religion. Although we
 4 Charm|           physical and metaphysical science; but really unmeaning?~(
 5 Charm|            Critias replies that the science or knowledge of good and
 6 Charm|             regulated by the higher science or knowledge of knowledge.
 7 Charm|         conception of medicine as a science of the whole as well as
 8 Charm|   temperance in which an element of science or knowledge is not included; (
 9 Charm|              whether there can be a science of science, and whether
10 Charm|           there can be a science of science, and whether the knowledge
11 Charm|            absolute self-determined science (the claims of which, however,
12 Charm|     conclusion that there can be no science which is a ‘science of nothing’ (
13 Charm|           be no science which is a ‘science of nothing’ (Parmen.). (
14 Charm|              8) The conception of a science of good and evil also first
15 Charm|          good and truth in a single science. But the time has not yet
16 Charm| metaphysical philosophy; and such a science when brought nearer to us
17 Charm|             declared also to be the science of self-knowledge, or of
18 Charm|    knowledge of anything, must be a science, and a science of something.~
19 Charm|            must be a science, and a science of something.~Yes, he said;
20 Charm|        something.~Yes, he said; the science of itself.~Is not medicine,
21 Charm|           not medicine, I said, the science of health?~True.~And suppose,
22 Charm|             medicine, which is this science of health, I should answer
23 Charm|          architecture, which is the science of building, I should say
24 Charm|            according to you, is the science of itself. Admitting this
25 Charm|             or wisdom, which is the science of itself, effect? Answer
26 Charm|         which is different from the science. I can show you that the
27 Charm|          and of which wisdom is the science?~You are just falling into
28 Charm|       themselves; wisdom alone is a science of other sciences, and of
29 Charm|             that wisdom is the only science which is the science of
30 Charm|           only science which is the science of itself as well as of
31 Charm|             other sciences.~But the science of science, I said, will
32 Charm|        sciences.~But the science of science, I said, will also be the
33 Charm|            I said, will also be the science of the absence of science.~
34 Charm|           science of the absence of science.~Very true, he said.~Then
35 Charm|         that there must be a single science which is wholly a science
36 Charm|           science which is wholly a science of itself and of other sciences,
37 Charm|           that the same is also the science of the absence of science?~
38 Charm|           science of the absence of science?~Yes.~But consider how monstrous
39 Charm|            surely we are assuming a science of this kind, which, having
40 Charm|             no subject-matter, is a science of itself and of the other
41 Charm|           the possibility of such a science; let us rather consider
42 Charm|        quite right.~Well then, this science of which we are speaking
43 Charm|          which we are speaking is a science of something, and is of
44 Charm|          and is of a nature to be a science of something?~Yes.~Just
45 Charm|           is intending to show that science differs from the object
46 Charm|          differs from the object of science, as any other relative differs
47 Charm|         there be such a class, that science which is called wisdom or
48 Charm|             whether there is such a science of science at all; and even
49 Charm|          there is such a science of science at all; and even if there
50 Charm|             also see whether such a science would or would not do us
51 Charm|           temperance or wisdom is a science of science, and also of
52 Charm|           or wisdom is a science of science, and also of the absence
53 Charm|          and also of the absence of science, I will request you to show
54 Charm|            the advantage, of such a science; and then perhaps you may
55 Charm|           assume that there is this science of science; whether the
56 Charm|            there is this science of science; whether the assumption
57 Charm|         will you tell me how such a science enables us to distinguish
58 Charm|           true: for he who has this science or knowledge which knows
59 Charm|          will admit that there is a science of science;—can this do
60 Charm|          that there is a science of science;—can this do more than determine
61 Charm|             is and the other is not science or knowledge?~No, just that.~
62 Charm|          how will this knowledge or science teach him to know what he
63 Charm|           knowledge of knowledge or science of science, ever teach him
64 Charm|             knowledge or science of science, ever teach him that he
65 Charm|          physician knows nothing of science, for this has been assumed
66 Charm|          further, since medicine is science, we must infer that he does
67 Charm|          physician has some kind of science or knowledge; but when he
68 Charm|            or temperance, if only a science of science, and of the absence
69 Charm|    temperance, if only a science of science, and of the absence of science
70 Charm|      science, and of the absence of science or knowledge, will not be
71 Charm|      perceive, I said, that no such science is to be found anywhere.~
72 Charm|            individuals, he sees the science, and this also will better
73 Charm|             the possibility of this science of sciences, and further
74 Charm|           all the sciences, but one science only, that of good and evil.
75 Charm|           beneficially done, if the science of the good be wanting.~
76 Charm|             wanting.~True.~But that science is not wisdom or temperance,
77 Charm|         wisdom or temperance, but a science of human advantage; not
78 Charm|           of human advantage; not a science of other sciences, or of
79 Charm|             assume that wisdom is a science of sciences, and has a sway
80 Charm|           will have this particular science of the good under her control,
81 Charm|           admitted that there was a science of science, although the
82 Charm|         that there was a science of science, although the argument said
83 Charm|         admitted further, that this science knew the works of the other