Dialogue

  1 Charm|          nephews of Dion, who are said to ‘have been well inclined
  2 Charm|         the Theaetetus; and it is said to be expressed under a
  3 Charm|         to the Ideas. It might be said with truth that the conception
  4 Charm|        fixed meaning. I have just said that Plato is to be interpreted
  5 Charm|      element (as Socrates is also said to have identified (Greek)
  6 Charm|        lost sight of. Much may be said about this subject, but
  7 Charm|            There was a report, he said, that the engagement was
  8 Charm|          the truth.~I suppose, he said, that you were present.~
  9 Charm|        the beauties, Socrates, he said, I fancy that you will soon
 10 Charm|         off himself.~Who is he, I said; and who is his father?~
 11 Charm|          Certainly, I know him, I said, for he was remarkable even
 12 Charm|       young man.~You will see, he said, in a moment what progress
 13 Charm|          is like. He had scarcely said the word, when Charmides
 14 Charm|          Chaerephon called me and said: What do you think of him,
 15 Charm|           face?~Most beautiful, I said.~But you would think nothing
 16 Charm|        all agreed.~By Heracles, I said, there never was such a
 17 Charm|           addition.~What is that? said Critias.~If he has a noble
 18 Charm|       like to talk.~That he will, said Critias, and I can tell
 19 Charm|         and cousin.~Very well, he said; then I will call him; and
 20 Charm|      turning to the attendant, he said, Call Charmides, and tell
 21 Charm|          the headache?~Why not, I said; but will he come?~He will
 22 Charm|          know.~And what is it? he said.~I replied that it was a
 23 Charm|           from your dictation, he said.~With my consent? I said,
 24 Charm|          said.~With my consent? I said, or without my consent?~
 25 Charm|        your consent, Socrates, he said, laughing.~Very good, I
 26 Charm|            laughing.~Very good, I said; and are you quite sure
 27 Charm|         for there is a great deal said about you among my companions;
 28 Charm|           that you remember me, I said; for I shall now be more
 29 Charm|         is what they say?~Yes, he said.~And they are right, and
 30 Charm|          agree with them?~Yes, he said, certainly I should.~His
 31 Charm|      returned. Such, Charmides, I said, is the nature of the charm,
 32 Charm|   Thracian king Zamolxis, who are said to be so skilful that they
 33 Charm|           the soul; and this,’ he said, ‘is the reason why the
 34 Charm|       direction: ‘Let no one,’ he said, ‘persuade you to cure the
 35 Charm|          the charm. For this,’ he said, ‘is the great error of
 36 Charm|      Critias, when he heard this, said: The headache will be an
 37 Charm|        say, is temperance?~Yes, I said.~Then let me tell you that
 38 Charm|       none in any quality.~Yes, I said, Charmides; and indeed I
 39 Charm|        becoming in youth; he then said very ingenuously, that he
 40 Charm|           which I had asked: For, said he, if I affirm that I am
 41 Charm|         know how to answer you.~I said to him: That is a natural
 42 Charm|          I should like better, he said; and as far as I am concerned
 43 Charm|        you think best.~I think, I said, that I had better begin
 44 Charm|         Is not that true?~Yes, he said, that I think is true.~You
 45 Charm|           your native language, I said, and therefore you must
 46 Charm|         about this.~Certainly, he said.~In order, then, that I
 47 Charm|         in you or not, tell me, I said, what, in your opinion,
 48 Charm|      unwilling to answer: then he said that he thought temperance
 49 Charm|        that nature. In a word, he said, I should answer that, in
 50 Charm|           you right, Charmides? I said. No doubt some would affirm
 51 Charm|          That is evident.~Then, I said, in all bodily actions,
 52 Charm|    temperance is a good?~True, he said.~And which, I said, is better—
 53 Charm|       True, he said.~And which, I said, is better—facility in learning,
 54 Charm|        learning?~Facility.~Yes, I said; and facility in learning
 55 Charm|        best to understand what is said, whether at the writing-master’
 56 Charm|           quickly?~Quite true, he said.~And in all that concerns
 57 Charm|         as the quiet.~I think, he said, Socrates, that you are
 58 Charm|           once more, Charmides, I said, fix your attention, and
 59 Charm|         manly effort to think, he said: My opinion is, Socrates,
 60 Charm|          as modesty.~Very good, I said; and did you not admit,
 61 Charm|         noble?~Yes, certainly, he said.~And the temperate are also
 62 Charm|       That is my opinion.~Well, I said; but surely you would agree
 63 Charm|         for a needy man’?~Yes, he said; I agree.~Then I suppose
 64 Charm|          heard from some one, who said, ‘That temperance is doing
 65 Charm|     affirmed that?~You monster! I said; this is what Critias, or
 66 Charm|         you.~Some one else, then, said Critias; for certainly I
 67 Charm|        have not.~But what matter, said Charmides, from whom I heard
 68 Charm|          for the point is not who said the words, but whether they
 69 Charm|         he replied.~To be sure, I said; yet I doubt whether we
 70 Charm|       What makes you think so? he said.~Because, I said, he who
 71 Charm|           so? he said.~Because, I said, he who uttered them seems
 72 Charm|         have meant one thing, and said another. Is the scribe,
 73 Charm|          his own?~I think not, he said.~But, I said, a temperate
 74 Charm|        think not, he said.~But, I said, a temperate state will
 75 Charm|       replied.~Then temperance, I said, will not be doing one’s
 76 Charm|         he looked hard at him and said—~Do you imagine, Charmides,
 77 Charm|          them?~Why, at his age, I said, most excellent Critias,
 78 Charm|     definition.~I entirely agree, said Critias, and accept the
 79 Charm|          definition.~Very good, I said; and now let me repeat my
 80 Charm|        business only?~Why not? he said.~No objection on my part,
 81 Charm|           objection on my part, I said, but there may be a difficulty
 82 Charm|          sense of ‘do’ (Greek).), said he; did I ever acknowledge
 83 Charm|           others are temperate? I said, those who make, not those
 84 Charm|         describing, he would have said that there was no disgrace
 85 Charm|        his own work.~O Critias, I said, no sooner had you opened
 86 Charm|           is temperance?~I do, he said.~Then not he who does evil,
 87 Charm|       good, is temperate?~Yes, he said; and you, friend, would
 88 Charm| temperance?~I do not think so, he said.~And yet were you not saying,
 89 Charm|            I suppose not.~Then, I said, he may sometimes do good
 90 Charm|            But that, Socrates, he said, is impossible; and therefore
 91 Charm|         is self-knowledge.~Yes, I said, Critias; but you come to
 92 Charm|           to reflect.~Reflect, he said.~I am reflecting, I replied,
 93 Charm|     science of something.~Yes, he said; the science of itself.~
 94 Charm|        itself.~Is not medicine, I said, the science of health?~
 95 Charm|      health?~True.~And suppose, I said, that I were asked by you
 96 Charm|         the enquiry, Socrates, he said; for wisdom is not like
 97 Charm|       were alike. For tell me, he said, what result is there of
 98 Charm|           cannot.~That is true, I said; but still each of these
 99 Charm|         Is not that true?~Yes, he said.~And the odd and even numbers
100 Charm|           old error, Socrates, he said. You come asking in what
101 Charm|           certainly, Socrates, he said.~Then, I said, be cheerful,
102 Charm|        Socrates, he said.~Then, I said, be cheerful, sweet sir,
103 Charm|         you say.~Tell me, then, I said, what you mean to affirm
104 Charm|         the science of science, I said, will also be the science
105 Charm|         of science.~Very true, he said.~Then the wise or temperate
106 Charm|          is your meaning?~Yes, he said.~Now then, I said, making
107 Charm|         Yes, he said.~Now then, I said, making an offering of the
108 Charm|           we have to consider, he said.~And here, Critias, I said,
109 Charm|        said.~And here, Critias, I said, I hope that you will find
110 Charm|          of fear?~I never did, he said.~Or of an opinion which
111 Charm|        itself?~That, Socrates, he said, is the inevitable inference.~
112 Charm|         argument might proceed, I said to him, Well then Critias,
113 Charm|         saying?~Yes, Socrates, he said; and that I think is certainly
114 Charm|        himself.~I do not doubt, I said, that a man will know himself,
115 Charm|          the same.~Very likely, I said; but I remain as stupid
116 Charm|        self.~What do you mean? he said.~This is what I mean, I
117 Charm|         else.~That is evident, he said.~But then what profit, Critias,
118 Charm|           what profit, Critias, I said, is there any longer in
119 Charm|      unknown to us?~Very true, he said.~And now you perceive, I
120 Charm|           And now you perceive, I said, that no such science is
121 Charm|          anywhere.~I perceive, he said.~May we assume then, I said,
122 Charm|       said.~May we assume then, I said, that wisdom, viewed in
123 Charm|           That is very likely, he said.~That is very likely, I
124 Charm|            That is very likely, I said; and very likely, too, we
125 Charm|         great benefit.~How so? he said.~Why, I said, we were far
126 Charm|           How so? he said.~Why, I said, we were far too ready to
127 Charm|            By the dog of Egypt, I said, there I agree with you;
128 Charm|           as much just now when I said that strange consequences
129 Charm|          us.~What do you mean? he said; I wish that you could make
130 Charm|       unexamined.~I like that, he said.~Hear, then, I said, my
131 Charm|            he said.~Hear, then, I said, my own dream; whether coming
132 Charm|         what is this knowledge? I said. Just answer me that small
133 Charm|       sort?~No, I do not.~Then, I said, we are giving up the doctrine
134 Charm|        are others as well.~Yes, I said, some one who knows the
135 Charm|           is nearer the truth, he said.~And that knowledge which
136 Charm|        which is nearest of all, I said, is the knowledge of what?~
137 Charm|         good and evil.~Monster! I said; you have been carrying
138 Charm|        will wisdom give health? I said; is not this rather the
139 Charm|    science, although the argument said No, and protested against
140 Charm|         so much to be lamented, I said. But for your sake, Charmides,
141 Charm|    happier you will be.~Charmides said: I am sure that I do not
142 Charm|     enough.~Very good, Charmides, said Critias; if you do this
143 Charm|  following and not deserting him, said Charmides: if you who are
144 Charm|          And I do command you, he said.~Then I will do as you say,
145 Charm|        this very day.~You sirs, I said, what are you conspiring
146 Charm|            We are not conspiring, said Charmides, we have conspired
147 Charm|       consideration has passed, I said, when violence is employed;
148 Charm|        not you resist me then, he said.~I will not resist you,