Dialogue

1002 Charm   |         judgment, or think much of an ornament which is out of keeping
1003 Charm   |      Elizabethan and Jacobean age, he outdid the capabilities of the
1004 Charm   |             the object of relation is outside of them; at any rate they
1005 Charm   |             effect and meaning to the over-precise rendering of words and forms
1006 Charm   |              that he has succeeded in overcoming them. Experience has made
1007 Charm   |            declared, in the soul, and overflows from thence, as if from
1008 Charm   |               we are apt to cramp and overlay the English. We substitute,
1009 Charm   |            lest I should seem to have overlooked it. Dr. Henry Jackson, of
1010 Charm   |             or a sonorous cadence, to overpower his better judgment, or
1011 Charm   |             all but one are spurious, overwhelming evidence is required of
1012 Charm   |              is naturally felt by the owner of a book at the possession
1013 Charm   |              and in the University of Oxford who during fifty years have
1014 Charm   |               in all fifty-one. These palpable errors and absurdities are
1015 Charm   |           Genetische Entwickelung der Paltonischen Philosophie;’ Hermann’s ‘
1016 Charm   |            holds in boxing and in the pancratium?~Certainly.~And in leaping
1017 Charm   |              been commemorated in the panegyrical verses of Anacreon, Solon,
1018 Charm   |                there never was such a paragon, if he has only one other
1019 Charm   |     proposition is, my friend: in any parallel case, the impossibility
1020 Charm   |     substitute one for another, or to paraphrase them, not giving word for
1021 Charm   |               appear to have a common parentage, the more they are studied,
1022 Charm   |               a ‘science of nothing’ (Parmen.). (8) The conception of
1023 Charm   |             interpretations or rather parodies of Homer or Hesiod, which
1024 Charm   |           belong to the (Greek) which partakes of both.~With great respect
1025 Charm   |             two are simple enough and partially true, like the first thoughts
1026 Charm   |               an adjective, or from a participle to a verb, will often remedy
1027 Charm   |               Phaedo he had dreamt of passing through ontology to the
1028 Charm   |       Interrogative, and is of a more passionate and emotional character,
1029 Charm   |             Callicles and Anytus, the patronizing style of Protagoras, the
1030 Charm   |               In the Dialogue he is a pattern of virtue, and is therefore
1031 Charm   |          temperance?~After a moment’s pause, in which he made a real
1032 Charm   |           attention by difficulty and peculiarity, or disturbs the effect
1033 Charm   |              Temperance or (Greek), a peculiarly Greek notion, which may
1034 Charm   |                which we are unable to penetrate. In the age of Cicero, and
1035 Charm   |            And at that moment all the people in the palaestra crowded
1036 Charm   |             but which is incapable of perceiving the objects of the senses?~
1037 Charm   |          figure, and there are lesser performers as well:—the insolence of
1038 Charm   |      principle of every one doing and performing his own, and abstaining
1039 Charm   |   difficulties which characterize all periods of transition, almost the
1040 Charm   |              to his successors in the Peripatetic School, is a question which
1041 Charm   |           logic and system had wholly permeated language, and therefore
1042 Charm   |             called the horizontal and perpendicular lines of the language; and
1043 Charm   |    unintelligible attempt to hide his perplexity. In order that the argument
1044 Charm   |              have found his equal, in Persia at the court of the great
1045 Charm   |           various Dialogues. They are personal and impersonal, ideals and
1046 Charm   |               had gathered around the personality of Plato,—more voyages,
1047 Charm   |            this. The same tendency to personification which is seen in the Greek
1048 Charm   |          bride; more doubtful are the personifications of church and country as
1049 Charm   |               correct as well as more perspicuous than ancient. And, therefore,
1050 Charm   |            hardly rescued by an equal perversion on the part of Critias.
1051 Charm   |             to ethical philosophy, is perverted by the ingenuity of Socrates,
1052 Charm   |               opposition of ideas and phenomena which occurs in the Prologues
1053 Charm   |         contributed to the Journal of Philology, has put forward an entirely
1054 Charm   |              the Kantian and Hegelian philosophies, Psychology, and the Origin
1055 Charm   |            effective use of Scripture phraseology arises out of the application
1056 Charm   |         kindly sent me remarks on the physiological part of the Timaeus, which
1057 Charm   |               of shoes, or in selling pickles, or sitting for hire in
1058 Charm   |            that a translation, like a picture, is dependent for its effect
1059 Charm   |            gender. The virtues may be pictured in female forms, but they
1060 Charm   |            that ‘Know thyself!’ was a piece of advice which the god
1061 Charm   |          Plato, Aeschylus, Sophocles, Pindar, Demosthenes, are generally
1062 Charm   |               Lysis, Laches have been placed together and first in the
1063 Charm   |              out of their context and placing them in a new connexion
1064 Charm   |          there are found in them many plagiarisms, inappropriately borrowed,
1065 Charm   |               and in several passages plagiarized from him, but flagrantly
1066 Charm   |            for temperance I define in plain words to be the doing of
1067 Charm   |          begin again, and be a little plainer. Do you mean that this doing
1068 Charm   |             of what the knowledge is?~Plainly not.~Neither will he be
1069 Charm   |               hypothesis of a general plan which is worked out in the
1070 Charm   |             says that ‘words are more plastic than wax’ (Rep.), and ‘whither
1071 Charm   |         Karsten, Commentio Critica de Platonis quae feruntur Epistolis).
1072 Charm   |             Hermann’s ‘Geschichte der Platonischen Philosophie;’ Bonitz, ‘Platonische
1073 Charm   |      respecting a later generation of Platonists. (Compare the striking remark
1074 Charm   |       question and answer, the lively play of fancy, the power of drawing
1075 Charm   |            well as the body, which is playfully intimated in the story of
1076 Charm   |         slowly?~Quickly again.~And in playing the lyre, or wrestling,
1077 Charm   |              is not the desire of any pleasure, but of itself, and of all
1078 Charm   |          Never too much,’ or, ‘Give a pledge, and evil is nigh at hand,’
1079 Charm   |             irrelevancies, solecisms, pleonasms, inconsistencies, awkwardnesses
1080 Charm   |    arrangement or logical precision:—‘poema magis putandum.’ But he
1081 Charm   |       Anacreon, Solon, and many other poets, as famous for beauty and
1082 Charm   |               stir him up. He went on pointing out that he had been refuted,
1083 Charm   |             modern philosophy, and on political and social life. The chief
1084 Charm   |            medicine, and the other is politics; whereas that of which we
1085 Charm   |             English Dialogues are but poor imitations of Plato, which
1086 Charm   |             in regular order from the popular to the philosophical. The
1087 Charm   |             to be gathered from their position or from the context. The
1088 Charm   |           Charmides, if you certainly possess it. Wherefore examine yourself,
1089 Charm   |               I have thought that the possessor of either of the former
1090 Charm   |             Etudes sur le Timee;’ Mr. Poste’s edition and translation
1091 Charm   |           himself, who has learned to practise the virtue of self-knowledge
1092 Charm   |              method which the Fathers practised, sometimes called ‘the mystical
1093 Charm   |             neither shall I be a rash practitioner of medicine: therefore,
1094 Charm   |            that Charmides is not only pre-eminent in beauty among his equals,
1095 Charm   |          interest in maintaining. The preceding definition, ‘Temperance
1096 Charm   |           substitution of one word of precisely the same meaning for another—
1097 Charm   |           when they seem to confirm a preconceived theory, which is the defect
1098 Charm   |                whether of ontology or predication, which troubled the pre-Socratic
1099 Charm   |            the conception of the Idea predominates in the first half of the
1100 Charm   |            such a use of language any premises may be made to lead to any
1101 Charm   |      statements of Plato himself. The preparations for the new departure are
1102 Charm   |               kind of impertinence in presenting to the reader the same thought
1103 Charm   |            the words of another or to preserve the construction and order
1104 Charm   |           Theaet.; Euthyd.). Socrates preserves his accustomed irony to
1105 Charm   |            context. The difficulty of preserving the effect of the Greek
1106 Charm   |              general, or any one else pretending to know matters of which
1107 Charm   |             one who does not know but pretends or thinks that he knows,
1108 Charm   |             opened your mouth, than I pretty well knew that you would
1109 Charm   |          state of thought and feeling prevalent in his age. Afterwards comes
1110 Charm   |            for wisdom would watch and prevent ignorance from intruding
1111 Charm   |               at one time of his life prevented him from speaking in the
1112 Charm   |             edition of Stallbaum; the principal deviations are noted at
1113 Charm   |               others, to have had the privilege of understanding him (Sir
1114 Charm   |               can be imagined to have proceeded from the hand or mind of
1115 Charm   |             or nearly similar to that produced by the original. To him
1116 Charm   |           Then wisdom will not be the producer of health.~Certainly not.~
1117 Charm   |               is of very great use in producing health, which, as you will
1118 Charm   |              as of imitation of them (Prof. Zeller’s summary of his
1119 Charm   |            you come to me as though I professed to know about the questions
1120 Charm   |               or sciences, and no one professing to be a pilot when he is
1121 Charm   |         phenomena which occurs in the Prologues to the Parmenides, but seems
1122 Charm   |              to take the place of the pronoun. ‘This’ and ‘that’ are found
1123 Charm   |            you do this I shall have a proof of your temperance, that
1124 Charm   |               natural objects, but of properties, relations, works of art,
1125 Charm   |          please, you may suppose that prophecy, which is the knowledge
1126 Charm   |         deceivers and set up the true prophets in their place as the revealers
1127 Charm   |              great argument’ I do not propose to ascend. But one little
1128 Charm   |           consider how monstrous this proposition is, my friend: in any parallel
1129 Charm   |             the argument said No, and protested against us; and we admitted
1130 Charm   |            The translator has also to provide expressions for philosophical
1131 Charm   |              agree that mankind, thus provided, would live and act according
1132 Charm   |             the wants of his own age, providing the instruments of thought
1133 Charm   |            has been assumed to be the province of wisdom.~True.~And further,
1134 Charm   |              Greek), ‘temperance’ or ‘prudence,’—at the point where the
1135 Charm   |          SECOND AND THIRD EDITIONS~In publishing a Second Edition (1875)
1136 Charm   |             are speaking is knowledge pure and simple.~Very true.~And
1137 Charm   |               parts of dialogues in a purely arbitrary manner, although
1138 Charm   |           Because almost all epistles purporting to be of the classical age
1139 Charm   |             have been enquiring to no purpose; as I am led to infer, because
1140 Charm   |           pupils. These are:—Mr. John Purves, Fellow of Balliol College,
1141 Charm   |               occasioned by every one pushing with might and main at his
1142 Charm   |               precision:—‘poema magis putandum.’ But he is always true
1143 Charm   |              for your maternal uncle, Pyrilampes, is reputed never to have
1144 Charm   |         journeys to visit tyrants and Pythagorean philosophers. But if, as
1145 Charm   |         Commentio Critica de Platonis quae feruntur Epistolis). They
1146 Charm   |          Compare Cic. Tusc. ‘(Greek), quam soleo equidem tum temperantiam,
1147 Charm   |             style. There must also be quantity, which is necessary in prose
1148 Charm   |       Symposium; Mr. Raper, Fellow of Queen’s College, Mr. Monro, Fellow
1149 Charm   |             partly arising out of the questionings of the mind itself, and
1150 Charm   |             of them are merely verbal quibbles, it is implied that this
1151 Charm   |    deliberations of the soul, not the quietest, as I imagine, and he who
1152 Charm   |              the help of a misapplied quotation from Hesiod assigns to the
1153 Charm   |     substituted imitation of them. To quote Dr. Jackson’s own expressions,—‘
1154 Charm   |        portion of the Timaeus; of Mr. R.L. Nettleship, Fellow and Tutor
1155 Charm   |              dress himself out in the rags of another. (a) Archaic
1156 Charm   |          result was attained), and to raise a new one in which I will
1157 Charm   |            have in these two respects raised the standard. But modern
1158 Charm   |             of madman, started up and ran to me, seizing my hand,
1159 Charm   |              me in the Symposium; Mr. Raper, Fellow of Queen’s College,
1160 Charm   |             easily adapted to it. The rapidity and abruptness of question
1161 Charm   |              crowded about us, and, O rare! I caught a sight of the
1162 Charm   |            like; neither shall I be a rash practitioner of medicine:
1163 Charm   |             characteristics, but will re-write the passage as his author
1164 Charm   |             lends itself with greater readiness to the dialogue form. Most
1165 Charm   |              as doing nothing when he reads or writes?~I should rather
1166 Charm   |           fair soul in the fair body, realised in the beautiful Charmides; (
1167 Charm   |               not yet arrived for the realization of this vision of metaphysical
1168 Charm   |            page. Further, we can only realize to a very imperfect degree
1169 Charm   |            any other wise man, may be reasonably supposed to call him wise
1170 Charm   |               of ideas and methods of reasoning. Yet the germ of modern
1171 Charm   |         should.~His approving answers reassured me, and I began by degrees
1172 Charm   |             the mind itself, and also receiving a stimulus from the study
1173 Charm   |              examples which have been recited the notion of a relation
1174 Charm   |             are inscribed in grateful recognition of their never failing attachment.~
1175 Charm   |            not know the other, and to recognize a similar faculty of discernment
1176 Charm   |               such as the doctrine of recollection and of the Platonic ideas;
1177 Charm   |              have found impossible to reconcile with the statements of Plato
1178 Charm   |              the translator will have recourse to the repetition of the
1179 Charm   |               years, yet they seem to recur in a sort of cycle, and
1180 Charm   |              the Laws are continually recurring in them; they are too like
1181 Charm   |             of the two languages, and reduce the one to the terms of
1182 Charm   |              less than seven or eight references to Plato, although nothing
1183 Charm   |                Reflect, he said.~I am reflecting, I replied, and discover
1184 Charm   |             see what will come of the refutation.~I think that you are right,
1185 Charm   |             doing just now, trying to refute me, instead of pursuing
1186 Charm   |              have any other motive in refuting you but what I should have
1187 Charm   |             and I began by degrees to regain confidence, and the vital
1188 Charm   |           another. They are also more regularly developed from within. The
1189 Charm   |               the other sciences, are regulated by the higher science or
1190 Charm   |               amazement and confusion reigned when he entered; and a troop
1191 Charm   |              other German critics who reject nearly half of them. The
1192 Charm   |     observations. I agree with him in rejecting as futile the attempt of
1193 Charm   |        shadows of the future, quickly rejects them: thus early has he
1194 Charm   |      physician as a physician in what relates to these?~He will.~He will
1195 Charm   |        opposition between science and religion. Although we cannot maintain
1196 Charm   |            than other language, and a religious association, it disturbs
1197 Charm   |               number is spurious, the remainder of the series cannot be
1198 Charm   |              the part of Critias. The remaining definitions have a higher
1199 Charm   |      substance of the work. It may be remarked further that several of
1200 Charm   |      participle to a verb, will often remedy the unpleasant effect. Rarely
1201 Charm   |              himself or any one else; reminiscences of the Republic and the
1202 Charm   |             age. Afterwards comes the remoter light which they cast on
1203 Charm   |               should not simply be to render the words of one language
1204 Charm   |            thought in the same words, repeated twice over in the same passage
1205 Charm   |               Plato in anacolutha and repetitions. In such cases the genius
1206 Charm   |             to him: That is a natural reply, Charmides, and I think
1207 Charm   |           that here I am.~There was a report, he said, that the engagement
1208 Charm   |             these volumes has been to represent Plato as the father of Idealism,
1209 Charm   |             of kinds is approximately represented, and so to attain approximately
1210 Charm   |           good and evil. The dialogue represents a stage in the history of
1211 Charm   |              of expletives, would, if reproduced in a translation, give offence
1212 Charm   |        maternal uncle, Pyrilampes, is reputed never to have found his
1213 Charm   |            absence of science, I will request you to show in the first
1214 Charm   |              the connection seemed to require: for in the philosophy of
1215 Charm   |           consistently with the first requirement of all, that it be English.
1216 Charm   |               of the English language requires that the translation should
1217 Charm   |               of Socrates, and hardly rescued by an equal perversion on
1218 Charm   |            weakness; or from fanciful resemblances to the male or female form,
1219 Charm   |           same meaning for another—is resented by us equally with the repetition
1220 Charm   |              so eminent an authority. Reserving the fuller discussion of
1221 Charm   |              to determine what is the residuum of truth which remains for
1222 Charm   |          however, hitherto managed to restrain himself; but now he could
1223 Charm   |            and ideas of relation, but restricted them to ‘types of nature,’
1224 Charm   |            that which arises from the restriction of the use of the genders.
1225 Charm   |               Aristotelian meaning is retained. There are other questions
1226 Charm   |     philosophy of Plato (Greek) still retains an intellectual element (
1227 Charm   |               perhaps, the modest and retiring nature which, according
1228 Charm   |         meaning of the Greek; when we return to the Greek we are apt
1229 Charm   |        prophets in their place as the revealers of the future. Now I quite
1230 Charm   |               his philosophy had been reversed? It is true that a few of
1231 Charm   |           Zeller’s summary of his own review of Dr. Jackson, Archiv fur
1232 Charm   |              who has helped me in the revision of several parts of the
1233 Charm   |         understanding him (Sir Joshua Reynolds’ Lectures: Disc. xv.).~There
1234 Charm   |               are the forgery of some rhetorician or sophist, we cannot agree
1235 Charm   |            proportion. Metre and even rhyme may be rarely admitted;
1236 Charm   |             other. His work should be rhythmical and varied, the right admixture
1237 Charm   |            should always be rendered ‘righteousness,’ or (Greek) ‘covenant.’
1238 Charm   |             having a headache when he rises in the morning: now why
1239 Charm   |              get up and the other was rolled over sideways. Now I, my
1240 Charm   |                may have passed into a romance which became famous in Hellas
1241 Charm   |               Plato’s doctrine of the rotation of the earth. But I ‘am
1242 Charm   |        themselves to weariness in the rough draft of a translation.
1243 Charm   |             you have been carrying me round in a circle, and all this
1244 Charm   |          until at the two ends of the row one had to get up and the
1245 Charm   |             But modern languages have rubbed off this adversative and
1246 Charm   |             Greek has no such precise rules; and hence any literal translation
1247 Charm   |         Certainly.~And in leaping and running and in bodily exercises
1248 Charm   |       accidentally similar. Nor is it safe for the author of a theory
1249 Charm   |          health will be improved; our safety at sea, and also in battle,
1250 Charm   |         misunderstood; and succeeding sages who added ‘Never too much,’
1251 Charm   |         humorously supposed to be the sailor’s bride; more doubtful are
1252 Charm   |          would be a far better way of saluting one another. The notion
1253 Charm   |             may be described as ‘mens sana in corpore sano,’ the harmony
1254 Charm   |         anticipated; nor is he at all sanguine that he has succeeded in
1255 Charm   |              as ‘mens sana in corpore sano,’ the harmony or due proportion
1256 Charm   |            came as he was bidden, and sat down between Critias and
1257 Charm   |           friend, is wanted, who will satisfactorily determine for us, whether
1258 Charm   |              and then perhaps you may satisfy me that you are right in
1259 Charm   |               poet or maker of ideas, satisfying the wants of his own age,
1260 Charm   |             last argument to Zeus the Saviour, let us begin again, and
1261 Charm   |          striking remark of the great Scaliger respecting the Magna Moralia:—
1262 Charm   |               what he is like. He had scarcely said the word, when Charmides
1263 Charm   |            like, which are so thickly scattered over the Greek page. Further,
1264 Charm   |       Charmides, Chaerephon, Critias.~SCENE: The Palaestra of Taureas,
1265 Charm   |              all the commentators and scholiasts put together.~(3) The conclusions
1266 Charm   |             this is the ambition of a schoolboy, who wishes to show that
1267 Charm   |            produce a better or nobler scion than the two from which
1268 Charm   |               the Jewish or Christian Scriptures or the technical terms of
1269 Charm   |             class called dialogues of search (Greek), which have no conclusion. (
1270 Charm   |             possible?~Yes.~And in the searchings or deliberations of the
1271 Charm   |         youthful naivete, keeping his secret and entering into the spirit
1272 Charm   |                of Balliol College, my Secretary. I am also considerably
1273 Charm   |     philosophy may be regarded, he is secretly elaborating a system. By
1274 Charm   |            study them separately, and seek for the interpretation of
1275 Charm   |       unworthy of the translator, who seeks to produce on his reader
1276 Charm   |             started up and ran to me, seizing my hand, and saying, How
1277 Charm   |           true,—either never, or very seldom, do the quiet actions in
1278 Charm   |             They are full of egotism, self-assertion, affectation, faults which
1279 Charm   |              style of Protagoras, the self-consciousness of Prodicus and Hippias,
1280 Charm   |                He must be patient and self-controlled; he must not be easily run
1281 Charm   |             conception of an absolute self-determined science (the claims of which,
1282 Charm   |               that knowledge which is self-knowing, will know himself.~I do
1283 Charm   |             sight, or in the power of self-motion, and the power of heat to
1284 Charm   |              whether in this class of self-related things, if there be such
1285 Charm   |           manufacture of shoes, or in selling pickles, or sitting for
1286 Charm   |              great oppositions of the sensible and intellectual, the unchangeable
1287 Charm   |              the characteristics of a sentient being, and then only by
1288 Charm   |            should at first study them separately, and seek for the interpretation
1289 Charm   |        himself to have an intentional sequence.~It is this method of taking
1290 Charm   |              the same motive, whether serious or only literary. Nor is
1291 Charm   |              character, and the great services which he has rendered to
1292 Charm   |           charm, which I learned when serving with the army from one of
1293 Charm   |               would obtain from their severally doing the things which they
1294 Charm   |               the engagement was very severe, and that many of our acquaintance
1295 Charm   |              a similar distinction of sex in the words denoting animals;
1296 Charm   |             the two suggests a subtle shade of negation which cannot
1297 Charm   |        snatched for a moment at these shadows of the future, quickly rejects
1298 Charm   |             of Oriel College, and Mr. Shadwell, Student of Christ Church,
1299 Charm   |             employ symbols to find in Shakespeare a hidden meaning. In the
1300 Charm   |               occasionally drawn from Shakspere, who is the common property
1301 Charm   |            translation begins to take shape. He must form a general
1302 Charm   |      therefore, if you please, I will share the enquiry with you, but
1303 Charm   |               wrestling, quickness or sharpness are far better than quietness
1304 Charm   |             the Republic (such is the shifting character of the Platonic
1305 Charm   |              described in language; a ship is humorously supposed to
1306 Charm   |              later; there was nothing shocking to the contemporary of Thucydides
1307 Charm   |             speaks of ‘a longer and a shorter way’, and of a way in which
1308 Charm   |             for another place, I will shortly defend my opinion by the
1309 Charm   |             dialogues, are: (i) Their shortness and simplicity. The Charmides
1310 Charm   |        Critias.~Critias had long been showing uneasiness, for he felt
1311 Charm   |               and the quick have been shown to be as good as the quiet.~
1312 Charm   |                The former.~And is not shrewdness a quickness or cleverness
1313 Charm   |               the voyages of Plato to Sicily and the court of Dionysius
1314 Charm   |           saluted me from afar on all sides; and Chaerephon, who is
1315 Charm   |             the other was rolled over sideways. Now I, my friend, was beginning
1316 Charm   |              to your giving names any signification which you please, if you
1317 Charm   |        critics, which is based on the silence of Aristotle, is not worthy
1318 Charm   |             in reading a paragraph we silently turn over the page and arrive
1319 Charm   |              the correlation of ideas simpler and more natural. The Greek
1320 Charm   |             the Timaeus were ‘written simultaneously,’ or ‘were intended to be
1321 Charm   |              begin this very day.~You sirs, I said, what are you conspiring
1322 Charm   |             were present.~I was.~Then sit down, and tell us the whole
1323 Charm   |             or in selling pickles, or sitting for hire in a house of ill-fame?
1324 Charm   |               not have been more than six or seven years of age— also
1325 Charm   |       Zamolxis, who are said to be so skilful that they can even give
1326 Charm   |    instruments and implements will be skilfully made, because the workmen
1327 Charm   |            far from certain, that the slighter effort preceded the greater
1328 Charm   |             the mere prose English is slow in lending itself to the
1329 Charm   |          saying. Whereupon he laughed slyly, and looked at Critias.~
1330 Charm   |           Phil.; Tim.; Parm.) ‘in the smallest degree prove his point’;
1331 Charm   |             the mind of Plato, having snatched for a moment at these shadows
1332 Charm   |      philosophy, and on political and social life. The chief subjects
1333 Charm   |         appropriate to another; as in society, so in letters, we expect
1334 Charm   |              Their eristic, or rather Socratic character; they belong to
1335 Charm   |           obscurities, irrelevancies, solecisms, pleonasms, inconsistencies,
1336 Charm   |             Cic. Tusc. ‘(Greek), quam soleo equidem tum temperantiam,
1337 Charm   |               misplaced, or the sense somewhat faulty, he will not strive
1338 Charm   |            favourite expression, or a sonorous cadence, to overpower his
1339 Charm   |           said, I fancy that you will soon be able to form a judgment.
1340 Charm   |               again is set aside by a sophistical application of Homer: for
1341 Charm   |         Thucydides, Plato, Aeschylus, Sophocles, Pindar, Demosthenes, are
1342 Charm   |            sake, Charmides, I am very sorry—that you, having such beauty
1343 Charm   |         though less hopefully, he had sought to convert his provisional
1344 Charm   |              to Plato. I have not the space to go into the question
1345 Charm   |            all; but they must be used sparingly. For, like some other men
1346 Charm(8)|             of the Laws of Plato with Spartan and Athenian Laws and Institutions.~
1347 Charm   |              at the same time added a special direction: ‘Let no one,’
1348 Charm   |              trouble himself with the speculations of Socrates.~In this Dialogue
1349 Charm   |       rendering of words and forms of speech.~8 There is no kind of literature
1350 Charm   |        temperance is, there health is speedily imparted, not only to the
1351 Charm   |             quarrel with an actor who spoiled his poems in repeating them;
1352 Charm   |             their,’ etc.; for fear of spoiling the effect of the sentence
1353 Charm   |            the two from which you are sprung. There is your father’s
1354 Charm   |              who is a kind of madman, started up and ran to me, seizing
1355 Charm   |         changed his opinions, and not stated in an unmistakable manner
1356 Charm   |           freedom, grace, simplicity, stateliness, weight, precision; or the
1357 Charm(5)|             relation of the Republic, Statesman and Laws.~
1358 Charm   |              him, as if he had been a statue.~Chaerephon called me and
1359 Charm   |            have found of most use are Steinhart and Muller’s German Translation
1360 Charm   |            The sentence marks another step in an argument or a narrative
1361 Charm   |              precision with which the steps of the argument are drawn
1362 Charm   |             them; the great libraries stimulated the demand for them; and
1363 Charm   |          itself, and also receiving a stimulus from the study of ancient
1364 Charm   |              Critias answer, tried to stir him up. He went on pointing
1365 Charm   |           years, and has enlarged its stock of ideas and methods of
1366         | stop
1367 Charm   |             example as walking in the streets, and talking, or anything
1368 Charm   |              their various degrees of strength and weakness; or from fanciful
1369 Charm   |          appear to me to lay too much stress on the variety of doctrine
1370 Charm   |          shoes, and his own flask and strigil, and other implements, on
1371 Charm   |              Platonists. (Compare the striking remark of the great Scaliger
1372 Charm   |          somewhat faulty, he will not strive in his rendering to reproduce
1373 Charm   |           first edition I expressed a strong opinion at variance with
1374 Charm   |            remain intractable. 1. The structure of the Greek language is
1375 Charm   |            great philosophical genius struggling with the unequal conditions
1376 Charm   |               I said; but I remain as stupid as ever; for still I fail
1377 Charm   |               of authorship. They are substantially the same in the twelfth
1378 Charm   |           least change of form from a substantive to an adjective, or from
1379 Charm   |              participation in them he substituted imitation of them. To quote
1380 Charm   |             of tautology—that is, the substitution of one word of precisely
1381 Charm   |                devoid of delicacy and subtlety, wanting in a single fine
1382 Charm   |              intended one dialogue to succeed another, or that he begins
1383 Charm   |              all sanguine that he has succeeded in overcoming them. Experience
1384 Charm   |             easily misunderstood; and succeeding sages who added ‘Never too
1385 Charm   |             and yet coinciding with a succession of events extending over
1386 Charm   |                how much is due to his successors in the Peripatetic School,
1387 Charm   |          fancy of the interpreter may suggest. It is akin to the method
1388 Charm   |              allow, as was originally suggested, that wisdom is the knowledge
1389 Charm   |             favoured me with valuable suggestions throughout the work, but
1390 Charm   |            the combination of the two suggests a subtle shade of negation
1391 Charm   |             were once regarded as the summa genera of all things, are
1392 Charm   |               of them (Prof. Zeller’s summary of his own review of Dr.
1393 Charm   |              their connexion with the summum genus, the (Greek), in the
1394 Charm   |               Magna Moralia:—Haec non sunt Aristotelis, tamen utitur
1395 Charm   |            Aristotelis nomine tanquam suo.)~(2) There is no hint in
1396 Charm   |               But these allusions are superficial and, except in the case
1397 Charm   |             the newspaper article, is superior to Plato: at any rate it
1398 Charm   |           becomes more abstract he is superseded by Critias (Theaet.; Euthyd.).
1399 Charm   |               indications of the date supplied either by Plato himself
1400 Charm   |          language is quite capable of supplying. He must be patient and
1401 Charm   |           testimony by which they are supported or with which they can be
1402 Charm   |              the Platonic ‘Ideas.’ He supposes that in the mind of Plato
1403 Charm   |            admitted only by a sort of supposition and fiction to be the true
1404 Charm   |       Phaedrus;’ Th. Martin’s ‘Etudes sur le Timee;’ Mr. Poste’s edition
1405 Charm   |             Greek). Hence we see with surprise that Plato, who in his other
1406 Charm   |          affected in this way was not surprising, but I observed that there
1407 Charm   |            disturbs the effect of the surrounding language. In general the
1408 Charm   |            some cases a mere word has survived, while nothing or hardly
1409 Charm   |            and ‘Platonische Studien;’ Susemihl’s ‘Genetische Entwickelung
1410 Charm   |         convinced of the truth of the suspicion which I entertained at the
1411 Charm   |           invented. The ancient world swarmed with them; the great libraries
1412 Charm   |               the same time making me swear to his words, ‘Let no one,
1413 Charm   |             who has swiftness will be swift, and he who has beauty will
1414 Charm   |        without the charm.’ Now I have sworn, and I must keep my oath,
1415 Charm   |          right admixture of words and syllables, and even of letters, should
1416 Charm   |         ingenuity of those who employ symbols to find in Shakespeare a
1417 Charm   |        lighten a cumbrous expression (Symp.). The translation should
1418 Charm   |          always expect to find in him systematic arrangement or logical precision:—‘
1419         | taking
1420 Charm   |       witnesses who agree in the same tale, they stand or fall together.
1421 Charm   |         Charmides, with whom Socrates talks in the kindly spirit of
1422 Charm   |            Haec non sunt Aristotelis, tamen utitur auctor Aristotelis
1423 Charm   |             auctor Aristotelis nomine tanquam suo.)~(2) There is no hint
1424 Charm   |        dialogue.~At the end of a long task, the translator may without
1425 Charm   |   metaphysical questions in which we ‘taste of many things.’ (7) And
1426 Charm   |             is ever old, and that the teaching of the past has still a
1427 Charm   |           many others who think as he tells you, that I am temperate:
1428 Charm   |                quam soleo equidem tum temperantiam, tum moderationem appellare,
1429 Charm   |       publication of books, and every temptation to forge them; and in which
1430 Charm   |            reason of another. The two tendencies may be called the horizontal
1431 Charm   |               replied.~But which most tends to make him happy? the knowledge
1432 Charm   |            sort of knowledge which we term Temperance is of this reflex
1433 Charm   |      translation of Plato what may be termed the interests of the Greek
1434 Charm   |              in agreement with modern terminology, in the latter half. But
1435 Charm   |              no reason why in the New Testament (Greek) should always be
1436 Charm   |              mind of Plato. The other testimonies to the voyages of Plato
1437 Charm   |               is no early independent testimony by which they are supported
1438 Charm   |      Professor Thompson’s ‘Phaedrus;’ Th. Martin’s ‘Etudes sur le
1439 Charm   |             gentlemen, and I heartily thank them for the pains and time
1440 Charm   |              that in these notions of theirs, which I was just now mentioning,
1441 Charm   |       impossible that so attractive a theme as the meeting of a philosopher
1442         | thence
1443 Charm   |               man who is disturbed by theological difficulties, ‘Do not trouble
1444 Charm   |               or, rather, his various theories, of the Ideas underwent
1445 Charm   |            and the like, which are so thickly scattered over the Greek
1446 Charm   |            the ‘Politicus;’ Professor Thompson’s ‘Phaedrus;’ Th. Martin’
1447         | thou
1448 Charm   |             as well:—the insolence of Thrasymachus, the anger of Callicles
1449         | throughout
1450         | thy
1451 Charm   |               Martin’s ‘Etudes sur le Timee;’ Mr. Poste’s edition and
1452 Charm   |               they took, at different times in his life, two essentially
1453 Charm   |            man of the world, having a tincture of philosophy. No hint is
1454 Charm   |             whole work. Equability of tone is best attained by the
1455 Charm   |             its effect on very minute touches; and that it is a work of
1456 Charm   |        definitions into final ones by tracing their connexion with the
1457 Charm   |           afraid we were on the wrong track; for however ready we may
1458 Charm   |             also be the most faithful transcript which can be made of the
1459 Charm   |              the unchangeable and the transient, in whatever form of words
1460 Charm   |        attempt at precision always to translate the same Greek word by the
1461 Charm   |             from 61 to 175 pages) and translated the Eryxias and Second Alcibiades;
1462 Charm   |          change of meaning occurs. If translations are intended not for the
1463 Charm   |             the impossibility will be transparent to you.~How is that? and
1464 Charm   |            the whole body, and try to treat and heal the whole and the
1465 Charm   |            other of the philosophical treatises of Aristotle, to the dialogues
1466 Charm   |               to make Critias answer, tried to stir him up. He went
1467 Charm   |               thing as quickness.’ He tries again and says (2) that
1468 Charm   |             is not less: for they are trivial and unmeaning, devoid of
1469 Charm   |            mists of history, like the Trojan war or the legend of Arthur,
1470 Charm   |        reigned when he entered; and a troop of lovers followed him.
1471 Charm   |        ontology or predication, which troubled the pre-Socratic philosophy
1472 Charm   |         occurrence, are also the most troublesome. Strictly speaking, except
1473 Charm   |             business over to them and trusted in them; nor should we have
1474 Charm   |             the other hand, Mr. Grote trusts mainly to the Alexandrian
1475 Charm   |              to the very least child, turned and looked at him, as if
1476 Charm   |             then I will call him; and turning to the attendant, he said,
1477 Charm   |              Moderation (Compare Cic. Tusc. ‘(Greek), quam soleo equidem
1478 Charm   |         substantially the same in the twelfth Book of the Laws as in the
1479 Charm   |        meeting of a philosopher and a tyrant, once imagined by the genius
1480 Charm   |            Greek, (Greek), creates an unavoidable obscurity in the translation.)~
1481 Charm   |              language or behaviour is unbecoming the guardian of the beautiful
1482 Charm   |        sensible and intellectual, the unchangeable and the transient, in whatever
1483 Charm   |            would be just a fear of my unconsciously fancying that I knew something
1484 Charm   |              depositing a perfect and undamaged copy of the first or second
1485 Charm   |             thing which the physician understands.~True.~And, on the other
1486 Charm   |        various theories, of the Ideas underwent any definite change during
1487 Charm   |           show us his soul, naked and undisguised? he is just of an age at
1488 Charm   |              reader stop to think, or unduly attracts attention by difficulty
1489 Charm   |         Critias had long been showing uneasiness, for he felt that he had
1490 Charm   |            genius struggling with the unequal conditions of light and
1491 Charm   |               passed through life the unerring guides of ourselves and
1492 Charm   |           mind pass away unheeded and unexamined.~I like that, he said.~Hear,
1493 Charm   |             In the argument he is not unfair, if allowance is made for
1494 Charm   |             subject which he has left unfinished in another, or that even
1495 Charm   |               into his mind pass away unheeded and unexamined.~I like that,
1496 Charm   |              at issue; and he made an unintelligible attempt to hide his perplexity.
1497 Charm   |            two Athenian houses, whose union would be likely to produce
1498 Charm   |             knowledge, and at last to unite good and truth in a single
1499 Charm   |               the scholar, but to the unlearned reader. Its object should
1500 Charm   |        opinions, and not stated in an unmistakable manner that the most essential
1501 Charm   |           verb, will often remedy the unpleasant effect. Rarely and only