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  1 Intro|             deserving of attention. (1) That wealth depends upon
  2 Intro|         found in an ancient writer. (2) The resolution of wealth
  3 Intro|         subtle and refined thought. (3) That wealth is relative
  4 Intro|              is a sound conception. (4) That the arts and sciences
  5 Intro|           modern political economy. (5) The distinction of post
  6      | above
  7 Pre  |               and there is a certain abruptness and agroikia in the conversation,
  8 Text |             the case if disease were absent from our bodies and either
  9 Text |              and in a moment procure abundance of everything.~SOCRATES:
 10 Text |           that they would proceed to abuse and quarrelling: so I said,—
 11 Text |       whereas I say that in order to accomplish some results bad things
 12 Text |          greatest number of means of accomplishing it, supposing that we necessarily
 13 Text |             his poverty prevents the accomplishment of his desires, and his
 14      | according
 15 Text |          Nestor’s and the advantages accruing from it, to sell these,
 16 Text |          wealth at all,—thus much is acknowledged by every one. But what particular
 17 Pre  |            writer seems to have been acquainted with the ‘Laws’ of Plato (
 18 Text |        medicine which enables him to acquire the power of hearing, may
 19 Text |        honest and dishonest means of acquiring them, and, generally, whether
 20 Text |            whenever you go up to the Acropolis you earnestly entreat the
 21 Text |           commits adultery with her, acts justly or unjustly, and
 22 Text |             back from stage to stage ad infinitum,—are not all these,
 23 Text |              a good. He was about to add something more, when Critias
 24 Text |             whatever we asked:—if, I added, whenever you go up to the
 25 Text |           friend’s affairs should be administered?—What will be our reply?~
 26 Text |            appeared to be arguing so admirably that Eryxias, if he had
 27 Text |           whom I could not compel to admit that riches are bad for
 28 Text |      prepared, as far as my capacity admits, to help you in solving
 29 Text |         neighbour’s wife and commits adultery with her, acts justly or
 30 Text |         wisdom like Nestor’s and the advantages accruing from it, to sell
 31 Text |             his own and his friend’s affairs should be administered?—
 32 Text |         power: but first let him who affirms that riches are a good,
 33      | after
 34      | against
 35 Text |           wealth. Yet a little while ago we found it difficult to
 36 Text |        stones which lie about in the Agora and which we do not employ
 37 Pre  |             a certain abruptness and agroikia in the conversation, which
 38 Pre  |             well known at Athens and Alexandria. They exhibit considerable
 39 Text |              to me.~Prodicus did not altogether agree: still he consented
 40 Text |               And now they have sent ambassadors to Athens, and intend, I
 41 Text |           there is a special kind of animal which we call ‘man.’ Now
 42 Text |           things which have life are animals, but there is a special
 43 Text |             only cause them a little annoyance they are quite unmanageable;
 44 Text |            just made use; for he was annoyed to have it supposed that
 45 Text |          then it would seem that the antecedents without which a thing cannot
 46 Pre  |              writings, the one which anticipates in the most striking manner
 47 Intro|          demand for it, is the first anticipation in an abstract form of one
 48 Pre  |          melesei tis...kaka: oti pas aphron mainetai): and the writer
 49 Pre  |          Plato (compare Protag; Ion; Apol.). The characters are ill-drawn.
 50 Pre  |             translated in the second appendix are not mentioned by Aristotle,
 51 Text |              to us? And the argument applies equally in other cases.~
 52 Intro|             economy, and the nearest approach to it to be found in an
 53 Text |           part of the world. As they approached, he said, Hail, Socrates!~
 54 Text |            themselves. The saying of Archilochus is true:—~‘Men’s thoughts
 55 Text |             notion is that we should argue respecting the honest and
 56 Text |              gymnasium. But you have argued so excellently well that
 57 Text |               Critias appeared to be arguing so admirably that Eryxias,
 58 Text |           the most bitter hatred may arise betwixt you, I must hinder
 59 Text |           quantity of money (compare Arist. Pol.); and this, I imagine,
 60 Pre  |        appendix are not mentioned by Aristotle, or by any early authority,
 61 Intro|            in the Charmides from the army at Potidaea), the figure
 62 Text |            Now Erasistratus had just arrived from Sicily and that part
 63 Text |            skilful physician, or the artist of any kind who is proficient
 64 Pre  |              and have no claim to be ascribed to Plato. They are examples
 65 Text |            so desire.~Eryxias looked askance, as if he had received some
 66 Text |             will. The youth began by asking Prodicus, In what way did
 67 Text |          retaliate upon his youthful assailant, intending to employ the
 68 Text |           Eryxias once more gave his assent, but the small argument
 69 Pre  |             Platonic dialogues to be assigned probably to the second or
 70 Text |            or an evil. I am ready to assist you in the enquiry to the
 71 Pre  |              are ill-drawn. Socrates assumes the ‘superior person’ and
 72 Text |            am in profound earnest, I assure you. But why, as you have
 73 Text |           such way as this: Would an Athenian, who had a thousand talents
 74 Pre  |          spurious work, which may be attributed to the second or third century
 75 Pre  |           Aristotle, or by any early authority, and have no claim to be
 76      | away
 77 Text |           procured, and so on, going back from stage to stage ad infinitum,—
 78 Text |            sort of character does he bear in Sicily?~ERASISTRATUS:
 79 Pre  |              power over language, or beauty of style; and there is a
 80      | became
 81 Text |            who might even have to go begging, because he had not wherewithal
 82 Text |            you. But why, as you have begun your argument so prettily,
 83 Text |         should be left undone;—these behave the most wisely and make
 84 Pre  |             claim the distinction of being, among all Greek or Roman
 85 Pre  |        modern critic, and was hardly believed by the ancients themselves.
 86 Text |       whether we are to regard it as beneficial or not,—a thing, too, which
 87 Text |              bitter hatred may arise betwixt you, I must hinder your
 88      | beyond
 89 Text |             stone, so I said: Let us bid ‘good-bye’ to the discussion,
 90 Text |        friends and kinsmen, the most bitter hatred may arise betwixt
 91 Text |             not merely whether it is black or white, light or heavy,
 92 Text |           the audience, laughing and blushing at once, as if he had had
 93 Text |         disease were absent from our bodies and either never came to
 94 Text |             to the proverb) it is to boil a stone, so I said: Let
 95 Intro|             of the game at draughts, borrowed from the Republic, etc.
 96      | both
 97 Text |            of Pentelicus are eagerly bought by numerous purchasers?
 98 Text |            think him a Sophist and a braggart, and regard you as a gentleman
 99 Text |              of fire we could make a brazen statue, we should not want
100 Text |             you consider that he who bribes his neighbour’s wife and
101 Text |           house building,—stones and bricks and beams and the like,
102 Text |     persuaded your hearers, but have brought your opponent to an agreement.
103 Text |   instruments with which the builder built the house, the beams and
104 Text |      despised of men and can find no buyers, although cypress wood and
105 Text |              not been ashamed of the bystanders, would probably have got
106 Text |            that you were richer than Callias the son of Hipponicus. And
107 Text |            am prepared, as far as my capacity admits, to help you in solving
108 Text |            in future we will be more careful. But why do not you yourself,
109 Text |             the other. Or again, the Carthaginian coinage is not wealth in
110 Text |           wasps: so long as you only cause them a little annoyance
111 Pre  |    attributed to the second or third century before Christ.~
112 Text |              a wise man, Prodicus of Ceos; but the audience thought
113 Text |              of Zeus.~It happened by chance that Eryxias the Steirian
114 Text |        talking, the Syracusan envoys chanced to go by, and Erasistratus,
115 Pre  |             Protag; Ion; Apol.). The characters are ill-drawn. Socrates
116 Intro|              compare Socrates in the Charmides from the army at Potidaea),
117 Text |            parents, as soon as their children are, as they think, come
118 Text |            And if any one gave you a choice, which of these would you
119 Text |        wealth, else they would never choose the one in preference to
120 Text |             richer?~ERASISTRATUS: By choosing as I said.~SOCRATES: And
121 Pre  |              or third century before Christ.~
122 Pre  |          prayer which have perplexed Christian theologians were not unknown
123 Text |               which then passes into circulation, and he who has the largest
124 Text |            to understand how men are circumstanced in regard to philosophy.
125 Intro|           That wealth is relative to circumstances is a sound conception. (
126 Text |             are disposed towards our city? To my mind, they are very
127 Text |    Hipponicus. And yet, although you claimed to be wiser about things
128 Text |               and that wealth is one class of useful things; and now
129 Text |           question. It appears to be clear that whatever constitutes
130 Text |             minded):—so he answered, cleverly enough: I think that doing
131 Pre  |              the Symposium is rather clumsily introduced, and two somewhat
132 Text |            the world as on a leather coat, because he could use the
133 Text |              again, the Carthaginian coinage is not wealth in our eyes,
134 Text |          among us had a mass of such coins he would be no wealthier
135 Text |          stand in need, and heat and cold and the other bodily sensations
136 Text |              great difference in the comfort of life to have a mansion
137 Text |              not most prosperous who commit the fewest errors in respect
138 Text |             his neighbour’s wife and commits adultery with her, acts
139 Text |         wealth beyond that which men commonly have. I suppose that wealth
140 Text |              if we suppose some one, comparing the man himself at different
141 Text |              no one whom I could not compel to admit that riches are
142 Intro|           payment are likewise to be comprehended under the notion of wealth,
143 Intro|            times. These metaphysical conceptions and distinctions show considerable
144 Text |              good to me. Not that he concerns himself at all with these
145 Text |       appeared; and we may therefore conclude that medicine is the science
146 Text |              SOCRATES: And therefore conditions which are not required for
147 Text |             ownership of it does not confer wealth; just as the standard
148 Text |            him knowledge he has also conferred riches upon him.~ERYXIAS:
149 Text |           altogether agree: still he consented to what was said.~And do
150 Text |               but the small argument considerably troubled him.~SOCRATES:
151 Text |            question which needs much consideration.~SOCRATES: Probably, I said,
152 Text |           asked Erasistratus whom he considered the wealthier,—he who was
153 Text |            those useful things which constitute wealth? For all things probably
154 Pre  |               and are remarkable for containing several thoughts of the
155 Text |        friends. But now, when we are contending about a thing of which the
156 Text |              of which the usefulness continues during the whole of life,
157 Pre  |       abruptness and agroikia in the conversation, which is very un-Platonic.
158 Text |             other things, but he has converted my ignorance into wisdom.
159 Text |             a kind which would never convince any one of those here present
160 Text |            is true:—~‘Men’s thoughts correspond to the things which they
161 Pre  |            passages which are either corrupt or extremely ill-expressed.
162 Text |            living in a shabby little cottage, whereas wisdom is of small
163 Text |     opponents are unable to make any countermove. (Compare Republic.) And
164 Text |         regard you as a gentleman of courtesy and worth. For they do not
165 Text |               For just as in the law courts, if two witnesses testify
166 Pre  |             maintained by any modern critic, and was hardly believed
167 Text |              land at his disposal to cultivate if he please? And they are
168 Text |              been discovered for the cure of disease? Perhaps in this
169 Text |             find no buyers, although cypress wood and marble of Pentelicus
170 Text |             although you are now the dearest of friends and kinsmen,
171 Pre  |          recur. The reference to the death of Archelaus as having occurred ‘
172 Text |            unjust men?~ERYXIAS: Most decidedly.~CRITIAS: And does injustice
173 Text |           speak the truth, you would declare that you were richer than
174 Text |           dispute about letters, one declaring that the word Socrates began
175 Text |            bad answer. But do we not deem those men who are most prosperous
176 Text |         wealth and virtue, which are deemed to be of the greatest moment,
177 Text |               would also be Critias’ definition.~SOCRATES: Then now we have
178 Text |              I have been exceedingly delighted to hear the discourses which
179 Text |              the Portico of Zeus the Deliverer, when there came up to us
180 Intro|       depends upon the need of it or demand for it, is the first anticipation
181 Text |         Prodicus, tormenting him and demanding an explanation of his argument,
182 Intro|           attention. (1) That wealth depends upon the need of it or demand
183 Text |             of mouth if he is wholly deprived of the sense of hearing?~
184 Text |        pleasure which you might have derived from some rhapsode’s recitation
185 Intro|            in the argument which are deserving of attention. (1) That wealth
186 Text |        highest matters? Or is wisdom despised of men and can find no buyers,
187 Text |         quite unmanageable; you must destroy their nests if you wish
188 Pre  |             ancients themselves. The dialectic is poor and weak. There
189 Text |             necessaries for body and diet, or he who requires only
190 Text |              on we shall be found to differ about the question. For
191 Text |         comparing the man himself at different times, to consider whether
192 Pre  |            Alcibiades shows that the difficulties about prayer which have
193 Text |             to suspect, I fancy, the direction which the argument was likely
194 Text |             else which we do not use directly for the body in the way
195 Text |         Prodicus.~Can you repeat the discourse to us? Said Erasistratus.~
196 Text |    exceedingly delighted to hear the discourses which you have just been
197 Text |             in which drugs have been discovered for the cure of disease?
198 Text |              think, come to years of discretion, urge them to consider how
199 Text |             The truth is that we are discussing the subject of riches, and
200 Text |           may gain wealth by bad and disgraceful means, and, having obtained
201 Text |            respecting the honest and dishonest means of acquiring them,
202 Text |            honourable to some men is dishonourable to others. And if we wish
203 Text |          estates or more land at his disposal to cultivate if he please?
204 Text |               Yes; for then he might dispose of his property and obtain
205 Pre  |           poet, who is of a reserved disposition, is uncommonly difficult
206 Text |              other respects, fall to disputing about a matter of such moment,
207 Text |              you, I must hinder your dissension to the best of my power.
208 Intro|         metaphysical conceptions and distinctions show considerable power
209      | done
210 Text |            as though you went to the doors of the grammarian and begged
211 Pre  |            of Plato. The Eryxias was doubted by the ancients themselves:
212 Text |              sense, I mean, in which drugs have been discovered for
213 Text |          some men are gamblers, some drunkards, and some gluttons: and
214      | during
215 Text |           the acquisition of virtue, e.g. when hearing is procured
216      | each
217 Text |             marble of Pentelicus are eagerly bought by numerous purchasers?
218 Text |              argument, he gained the ear of the audience far more
219 Pre  |              by Aristotle, or by any early authority, and have no claim
220 Text |              up to the Acropolis you earnestly entreat the Gods to grant
221 Text |           were so disposed, would be easier still. Or is a house a most
222 Pre  |        similar phrase occurs;—ta gar echthes kai proen gegonota tauta,
223 Text |         rogue often has the contrary effect on the judges’ minds to
224 Text |               and he would have been ejected from the gymnasium. But
225 Text |             silver and all the other elements which are supposed to make
226      | elsewhere
227 Text |           that would be wealth which enabled us to obtain what was useful
228 Text |         point in dispute, to part as enemies instead of as friends. But
229 Text |            has no value. In Ethiopia engraved stones are employed, of
230 Text |             of life, and it makes an enormous difference whether we are
231 Text |           ready to assist you in the enquiry to the utmost of my power:
232 Text |         doctrines which you yourself entertain.~CRITIAS: I should like
233 Pre  |         interpretation of Homer, are entirely in the spirit of Plato (
234 Text |              Acropolis you earnestly entreat the Gods to grant you good
235 Text |          were talking, the Syracusan envoys chanced to go by, and Erasistratus,
236 Text |             And the argument applies equally in other cases.~ERYXIAS:
237 Text |             having an argument about equitation and what was the best way
238 Text |             had been proved to be in error in supposing that the Gods
239 Text |     prosperous who commit the fewest errors in respect either of themselves
240 Text |               But now there seems no escape from this conclusion. Suppose
241 Text |           have the greatest and most especial need and desire of bodily
242 Text |            than the things which are especially reckoned among riches; and
243 Text |           Sicily. For who has larger estates or more land at his disposal
244      | etc
245 Text |        elsewhere it has no value. In Ethiopia engraved stones are employed,
246      | ever
247 Text |         asked, ‘Is a horse useful to everybody?’ will not our reply be, ‘
248 Text |             intended, while the same evidence if given by the honest man
249 Text |            how to use them?~ERYXIAS: Exactly.~SOCRATES: And were we not
250 Pre  |          ascribed to Plato. They are examples of Platonic dialogues to
251 Text |              wealth? For I have been exceedingly delighted to hear the discourses
252 Text |          tell us?~ERASISTRATUS: Most excellent. But, if you please, let
253 Text |               But you have argued so excellently well that you have not only
254 Intro|         frequently obscure; like the exercise of a student, it is full
255 Pre  |          Athens and Alexandria. They exhibit considerable originality,
256 Intro|        unhandsome treatment which is exhibited towards Prodicus is quite
257 Text |              that he was inclined to expatiate on the riches of the man;
258 Text |      tormenting him and demanding an explanation of his argument, he gained
259 Pre  |          which are either corrupt or extremely ill-expressed. But there
260 Text |         coinage is not wealth in our eyes, for we could not employ
261 Text |        witnesses testify to the same fact, one of whom seems to be
262 Text |           hearing, may use that very faculty for the acquisition of virtue?~
263 Text |              means cannot do what he fain would, and therefore does
264 Text |            the work?~CRITIAS: We may fairly suppose such to be the case.~
265 Text |             agree in other respects, fall to disputing about a matter
266 Text |            no matter whether true or false, which enable the user of
267 Text |           observed his vexation, and feared that they would proceed
268 Text |        supposing that we necessarily feel the want of all useful things?~
269 Text |           have something of the same feeling about yourself and Prodicus;
270 Text |           whom seems to be an honest fellow and the other a rogue, the
271      | few
272 Pre  |              quite lately’ is only a fiction, probably suggested by the
273 Intro|           the army at Potidaea), the figure of the game at draughts,
274 Text |          they are of a quality, too, finer than any other land in Hellas.
275 Text |             set so much store on the finest house in the world as on
276 Text |             were. But why do you not finish the argument which proves
277 Text |            CRITIAS: I should like to follow up the argument, and will
278 Pre  |           were not unknown among the followers of Plato. The Eryxias was
279 Text |          both the state and the laws forbid?~ERYXIAS: Unjustly.~CRITIAS:
280 Text |           Socrates, that if you were forced to speak the truth, you
281 Text |       grammar which would enable you forthwith to do the business of a
282 Text |             who do best and the most fortunate and the richest would appear
283 Text |          that from which, if we were free, we should have no need
284 Text |         SOCRATES: And since medicine frees the sick man from his disease,
285 Intro|     conception of the Eryxias. It is frequently obscure; like the exercise
286 Text |              to you for the hint: in future we will be more careful.
287 Text |      explanation of his argument, he gained the ear of the audience
288 Text |           For instance, some men are gamblers, some drunkards, and some
289 Text |               and some gluttons: and gambling and the love of drink and
290 Pre  |            similar phrase occurs;—ta gar echthes kai proen gegonota
291 Pre  |             ta gar echthes kai proen gegonota tauta, k.t.l. There are
292 Pre  |            of Stoic influence in the general tone and phraseology of
293 Text |              of acquiring them, and, generally, whether they are a good
294 Pre  |      probably to the second or third generation after Plato, when his writings
295 Text |               SOCRATES: The good and gentle, therefore will alone have
296 Pre  |           the Second Alcibiades is a genuine writing of Plato will not
297 Text |          science which is useful for getting rid of disease. But if we
298 Text |       journey from Megara.~SOCRATES: Gladly, if that is your desire.~
299 Text |             over the former.~Eryxias glanced at the audience, laughing
300 Text |             some drunkards, and some gluttons: and gambling and the love
301 Pre  |              That the Dialogue which goes by the name of the Second
302 Text |               so I said: Let us bid ‘good-bye’ to the discussion, since
303 Text |            to be the richest who has goods of the greatest value?~ERASISTRATUS:
304 Pre  |         hackneyed quotations (Symp., Gorg.) recur. The reference to
305 Pre  |            probably suggested by the Gorgias, where the story of Archelaus
306 Text |      bystanders, would probably have got up and struck him. For he
307 Text |        earnestly entreat the Gods to grant you good things, although
308 Text |            that the Gods immediately granted to us whatever we asked:—
309 Text |             he should be too poor to gratify his lust rather than that
310 Text |            and the love of drink and greediness are all desires?~CRITIAS:
311 Pre  |      distinction of being, among all Greek or Roman writings, the one
312 Pre  |         introduced, and two somewhat hackneyed quotations (Symp., Gorg.)
313 Text |            they approached, he said, Hail, Socrates!~SOCRATES: The
314 Intro|              sophistry. On the other hand, the rather unhandsome treatment
315 Text |              of a temple of Zeus.~It happened by chance that Eryxias the
316 Text |       another question: Which is the happier and better man,—he who requires
317 Text |            most prosperous to be the happiest?~ERASISTRATUS: That is my
318 Text |           should say, Socrates, that happiness was the most precious of
319 Pre  |           any modern critic, and was hardly believed by the ancients
320 Text |             kinsmen, the most bitter hatred may arise betwixt you, I
321 Text |            SOCRATES: And are not the healthy richer than the sick, since
322 Text |            quarrelling: so I said,—I heard that very argument used
323 Text |              not only persuaded your hearers, but have brought your opponent
324 Text |            we now stand in need, and heat and cold and the other bodily
325 Text |            argument.~CRITIAS: No, by heaven, I should be a madman if
326 Text |             black or white, light or heavy, but whether it is a good
327 Pre  |             Alcibiades is stupid and heavy-in-hand. There are traces of Stoic
328 Text |         finer than any other land in Hellas. Moreover, he has all the
329 Text |            highest importance by the Hellenes:—(for parents, as soon as
330 Text |            as my capacity admits, to help you in solving the question.
331      | her
332      | Hereupon
333 Text |            arise betwixt you, I must hinder your dissension to the best
334 Text |            am obliged to you for the hint: in future we will be more
335 Text |              than Callias the son of Hipponicus. And yet, although you claimed
336 Text |             which you have just been holding.~SOCRATES: My argument,
337 Text |           morals varies, and what is honourable to some men is dishonourable
338 Text |            and drink and bedding and houses,—if without these we could
339      | however
340 Text |               and yet suffer neither hunger nor thirst, would he want
341 Text |            Persia’s wealth and to be ill. And this proves that men
342 Pre  |           Apol.). The characters are ill-drawn. Socrates assumes the ‘superior
343 Pre  |          either corrupt or extremely ill-expressed. But there is a modern interest
344 Text |              this way, if he were so ill-provided; whereas if he had the house
345 Text |            Arist. Pol.); and this, I imagine, would also be Critias’
346 Intro|         student, it is full of small imitations of Plato:—Phaeax returning
347 Intro|            think of his merits as an imitator of Plato.~
348 Text |              supposing that the Gods immediately granted to us whatever we
349 Text |           kind of knowledge which is imparted by word of mouth if he is
350 Intro|             wealth into its simplest implements going on to infinity is
351 Pre  |             Plato (compare Laws). An incident from the Symposium is rather
352 Text |       without end.~I saw that he was inclined to expatiate on the riches
353 Pre  |             these two dialogues I am indebted to my friend and secretary,
354 Text |          back from stage to stage ad infinitum,—are not all these, in your
355 Intro|      simplest implements going on to infinity is a subtle and refined
356 Text |         injuries which we at present inflict merely irritate them enough
357 Pre  |            There are traces of Stoic influence in the general tone and
358 Text |        submit to our rule. The petty injuries which we at present inflict
359 Text |         decidedly.~CRITIAS: And does injustice seem to you an evil or a
360 Text |              your opinion, Prodicus, innate or acquired by instruction?~
361 Text |            wealth, slaves and horses innumerable, gold and silver without
362 Text |           but he cannot owing to his intemperance, will it not also be better
363 Text |           ambassadors to Athens, and intend, I suspect, to play us some
364 Text |             judges’ minds to what he intended, while the same evidence
365 Text |              his youthful assailant, intending to employ the argument of
366 Text |              Do we not employ in our intercourse with one another speech
367 Text |              bad for any one?~Here I interposed and said to them: If you
368 Text |      possessions?~Yes, said Eryxias, interposing, but what use would it be
369 Pre  |       understand, and the ridiculous interpretation of Homer, are entirely in
370 Text |         something more, when Critias interrupted him:—Do you really suppose
371 Text |              Socrates? said Eryxias, interrupting. Do we not employ in our
372 Text |          enough to make them utterly intractable. And now they have sent
373 Intro|                                      INTRODUCTION~Much cannot be said in praise
374 Text |            possession of riches been invented,—in the sense, I mean, in
375 Pre  |            of Plato (compare Protag; Ion; Apol.). The characters
376 Text |            at present inflict merely irritate them enough to make them
377 Text |      discussion touched the point at issue, tell us whether you consider
378 Text |             of all the Sicilians and Italians, and even more wicked than
379 Text |            is the richest man in all Italy and Sicily. For who has
380 Text |             seat, began to laugh and jeer at Prodicus, tormenting
381 Text |      Erasistratus, though you may be joking, Critias does seem to me
382 Text |            tired with my yesterday’s journey from Megara.~SOCRATES: Gladly,
383 Text |         riches the value of a man is judged):— When, I say, we are thus
384 Text |           the contrary effect on the judges’ minds to what he intended,
385 Text |              adultery with her, acts justly or unjustly, and this although
386 Pre  |            kai proen gegonota tauta, k.t.l. There are several passages
387 Pre  |        phrase occurs;—ta gar echthes kai proen gegonota tauta, k.
388 Pre  |           compare opos melesei tis...kaka: oti pas aphron mainetai):
389 Text |          rather than to have all the King of Persia’s wealth and to
390 Text |           the dearest of friends and kinsmen, the most bitter hatred
391 Pre  |            friend and secretary, Mr. Knight.~That the Dialogue which
392 Pre  |          when his writings were well known at Athens and Alexandria.
393 Pre  |            proen gegonota tauta, k.t.l. There are several passages
394 Text |        pebbles from the mountain. At Lacedaemon, again, they use iron by
395 Text |             are employed, of which a Lacedaemonian could make no use. Once
396 Text |              worthless to us, or the Lacedaemonians find wealth in iron and
397 Text |             There is still something lacking, now you have agreed that (
398 Text |         useless? For we have already laid down the principle that
399 Pre  |               There is no power over language, or beauty of style; and
400 Text |              and Sicily. For who has larger estates or more land at
401 Text |      circulation, and he who has the largest number of such pieces is
402      | last
403 Pre  |            as having occurred ‘quite lately’ is only a fiction, probably
404      | later
405 Text |            taking his seat, began to laugh and jeer at Prodicus, tormenting
406 Text |             glanced at the audience, laughing and blushing at once, as
407 Text |        agreement. For just as in the law courts, if two witnesses
408 Text |             to him and begged him to leave because he was teaching
409 Text |              done and what should be left undone;—these behave the
410 Text |        persons were to dispute about letters, one declaring that the
411 Text |           weight of the stones which lie about in the Agora and which
412 Text |           like Polytion’s instead of living in a shabby little cottage,
413 Text |              are very like wasps: so long as you only cause them a
414 Text |              SOCRATES: They would no longer be regarded as wealth, because
415 Text |          will be still plainer if we look at it in this way:—If things
416 Text |             if he so desire.~Eryxias looked askance, as if he had received
417 Intro|           hoc and propter hoc, often lost sight of in modern as well
418 Text |       gluttons: and gambling and the love of drink and greediness
419 Text |              too poor to gratify his lust rather than that he should
420 Text |              one who possessed Mount Lycabettus among ourselves. And clearly
421 Text |            very argument used in the Lyceum yesterday by a wise man,
422 Text |         replied Eryxias; I should be mad if I did not: and I do not
423 Text |             by heaven, I should be a madman if I were. But why do you
424 Pre  |           tis...kaka: oti pas aphron mainetai): and the writer seems to
425 Text |           mine are the same. For you maintain if they are useful to a
426 Pre  |         writing of Plato will not be maintained by any modern critic, and
427 Text |             is, no one knows but the makers. A seal is next set upon
428 Text |             worst and the richest of mankind, you would never hear any
429 Pre  |     anticipates in the most striking manner the modern science of political
430 Text |            comfort of life to have a mansion like Polytion’s instead
431 Text |            although cypress wood and marble of Pentelicus are eagerly
432 Text |          prayer to the Gods. But the master of the gymnasium came to
433 Text |         every art, that not only the materials but the instruments by which
434 Text |              man should refrain from meat and drink and other pleasant
435 Text |             to the things which they meet with.’~Well, then, replied
436 Text |             yesterday’s journey from Megara.~SOCRATES: Gladly, if that
437 Pre  |           the Dialogue (compare opos melesei tis...kaka: oti pas aphron
438 Pre  |              second appendix are not mentioned by Aristotle, or by any
439 Intro|         whatever we may think of his merits as an imitator of Plato.~
440 Intro|              in ancient times. These metaphysical conceptions and distinctions
441 Text |              towards our city? To my mind, they are very like wasps:
442 Text |             alone, he would not have minded):—so he answered, cleverly
443 Text |       contrary effect on the judges’ minds to what he intended, while
444 Text |            respect your argument and mine are the same. For you maintain
445 Text |    possession of wealth is useful in ministering to our bodily wants, and
446 Text |              Prodicus that it was no misfortune to him if he had been proved
447 Text |           wisely and make the fewest mistakes?~Erasistratus agreed to
448 Text |       desires, and the other few and moderate? For instance, some men
449 Text |              just as the standard of morals varies, and what is honourable
450      | Moreover
451 Text |        richer than one who possessed Mount Lycabettus among ourselves.
452 Text |             so many pebbles from the mountain. At Lacedaemon, again, they
453 Text |         which is imparted by word of mouth if he is wholly deprived
454 Text |        draughts which the player can move in such a way that his opponents
455 Text |             that Critias will not be moved a whit by the argument.~
456      | Mr
457      | myself
458 Pre  |           Dialogue which goes by the name of the Second Alcibiades
459 Text |              never hear any one else named.~I reflected that we were
460 Intro|           political economy, and the nearest approach to it to be found
461 Text |        exchange for them, obtain the necessities of life just as we do by
462 Text |             no one, that is, had any necessity for those things which now
463 Text |      consider that he who bribes his neighbour’s wife and commits adultery
464      | neither
465 Text |           son of Phaeax, who was the nephew of Erasistratus. Now Erasistratus
466 Text |               you must destroy their nests if you wish to get the better
467 Text |              said; have you any good news from Sicily to tell us?~
468      | next
469 Text |            use. Once more, among the Nomad Scythians a man who owned
470 Text |             that he was talking mere nonsense, and no one could be persuaded
471 Text |     Pentelicus are eagerly bought by numerous purchasers? Surely the prudent
472 Text |           was useful to us?~ERYXIAS: O Socrates, you will never
473 Text |          Very good, I said, and I am obliged to you for the hint: in
474 Intro|            Eryxias. It is frequently obscure; like the exercise of a
475 Text |              opinion about wealth. I observed his vexation, and feared
476 Pre  |         death of Archelaus as having occurred ‘quite lately’ is only a
477 Pre  |           told, and a similar phrase occurs;—ta gar echthes kai proen
478 Text |             have it supposed that he offered a vain prayer to the Gods.
479 Text |             have none or very slight ones?~CRITIAS: Certainly I consider
480 Pre  |             of the Dialogue (compare opos melesei tis...kaka: oti
481 Text |       hearers, but have brought your opponent to an agreement. For just
482 Pre  |            They exhibit considerable originality, and are remarkable for
483      | Otherwise
484 Pre  |             opos melesei tis...kaka: oti pas aphron mainetai): and
485 Text |          appear useless to this end, ought they not always to appear
486      | ours
487      | ourselves
488 Text |       pleasant things, but he cannot owing to his intemperance, will
489      | own
490 Text |            Nomad Scythians a man who owned the house of Polytion would
491 Text |           talents?~ERASISTRATUS: The owner of the field.~SOCRATES:
492 Text |             it is not money, and the ownership of it does not confer wealth;
493 Text |     importance by the Hellenes:—(for parents, as soon as their children
494 Text |  acknowledged by every one. But what particular thing is wealth, if not
495 Pre  |              melesei tis...kaka: oti pas aphron mainetai): and the
496 Pre  |           very un-Platonic. The best passage is probably that about the
497 Text |              the leather, which then passes into circulation, and he
498 Intro|           and sciences which receive payment are likewise to be comprehended
499 Text |     wealthier than if he had so many pebbles from the mountain. At Lacedaemon,
500 Pre  |           and which therefore have a peculiar interest for us. The Second