Dialogue

1003 Euthyd|            you be able, Socrates, to recognize this wisdom when it has
1004 Euthyd|              when I was getting up I recognized the familiar divine sign:
1005 Euthyd|            have, said Cleinias.~Upon recollection, I said, indeed I am afraid
1006 Euthyd|        instruction, the two brothers recommence their exhortation to virtue,
1007 Euthyd|             professions are few, and recommends that ‘he and his house’
1008 Euthyd|             object’ and the Hegelian reconciliation of opposites have been ‘
1009 Euthyd|            to what art shall we have recourse?~I do not see my way, he
1010 Euthyd|         before the youth had time to recover his breath, Dionysodorus
1011 Euthyd|              not yet systematized or reduced to an art or science, but
1012 Euthyd|            the broad humour of this ‘reductio ad absurdum:’ gradually
1013 Euthyd|             at the same time, and in reference to the same things.~A pretty
1014 Euthyd|          earnest. Dionysodorus said:~Reflect, Socrates; you may have
1015 Euthyd|            you and your disciples to refrain from laughing. And now,
1016 Euthyd|        making game of them, and they refused, and they would only say
1017 Euthyd|               said Dionysodorus, and refusing to answer.~No wonder, I
1018 Euthyd|             many years past in these regions. As to their wisdom, about
1019 Euthyd|           the right use of them, and regulates our practice about them?~
1020 Euthyd|            not slight is the task of rehearsing infinite wisdom, and therefore,
1021 Euthyd|            and clapping of hands and rejoicings the two men were quite overpowered;
1022 Euthyd|         Iolaus to help. Dionysodorus rejoins that Iolaus was no more
1023 Euthyd|            under which all questions relating to words and propositions
1024 Euthyd|       Sophists: (1) In their perfect relevancy to the subject of discussion,
1025 Euthyd|            you please; in the way of religion I have altars and temples,
1026 Euthyd|             disputes carried on with religious earnestness and more than
1027 Euthyd|              of others. Secondly, he remarks upon their impartiality;
1028 Euthyd|             springes of words. And I remembered that Connus was always angry
1029 Euthyd|            But he restrains himself, remembering that if the men who are
1030 Euthyd|              Cleinias, I said, shall remind me at what point we left
1031 Euthyd|          speech, cannot be perfectly rendered in English. Compare Aristot.
1032 Euthyd|            pacified by Socrates, who renews the conversation with Cleinias.
1033 Euthyd|           sense; there is no need to reopen them. No science should
1034 Euthyd|              be discouraged at these repeated overthrows. He therefore
1035 Euthyd|            good-fortune, and are but repeating ourselves.~What do you mean?~
1036 Euthyd|           arrived, according to your report of the conversation.~SOCRATES:
1037 Euthyd|          period in which Socrates is represented as willing to learn, but
1038 Euthyd|            said, why you are in such reputation among your disciples.~Meanwhile
1039 Euthyd|     prostrate. Ctesippus came to the rescue.~Bravo, Heracles, brave
1040 Euthyd|           world: they should be more reserved, and let no one be present
1041 Euthyd|              of propositions, how to resist the fixed impression of
1042 Euthyd|          What, all men, and in every respect? and teach them all the
1043 Euthyd|               Out of a regard to the respectabilities of life, they are disposed
1044 Euthyd|            only. He concludes with a respectful request that they will receive
1045 Euthyd|              the attainment of their respective ends, and are really third,
1046 Euthyd|             be contrasted in several respects with the exhibition of the
1047 Euthyd|            as I wanted to give him a respite lest he should be disheartened,
1048 Euthyd|             ambo et cantare pares et respondere parati.’ Some superior degree
1049 Euthyd|             in the Odyssey, hopes to restore them to their natural form.~
1050 Euthyd|          language has been, happily, restored to us. Neither do we discuss
1051 Euthyd|              of the brothers. But he restrains himself, remembering that
1052 Euthyd|     Ctesippus began to throw off all restraint; no question in fact was
1053 Euthyd|           hear what followed; for we resumed the enquiry, and a question
1054 Euthyd|         Elenchi of Aristotle and are retained at the end of our manuals
1055 Euthyd|       follows, which is successfully retorted by Ctesippus, to the great
1056 Euthyd|           knowledge, in the sense of reviewing this matter, whether something
1057 Euthyd|             then says that he is not reviling the two Sophists, he is
1058 Euthyd|              Ctesippus.~Well, but do rhetoricians, when they speak in the
1059 Euthyd|             do least—a poor man or a rich man?~A poor man.~A weak
1060 Euthyd|            which enables them to get rid of a bad man and turn him
1061 Euthyd|               The persons whom Plato ridicules in the epilogue to the Euthydemus
1062 Euthyd|        seated second from you on the right-hand side. In the middle was
1063 Euthyd|            would you rather take the risk—in company with a wise general,
1064 Euthyd|           keep out of the way of all risks and conflicts and reap the
1065 Euthyd|              wisest; nothing but the rivalry of the philosophers stands
1066 Euthyd|             they imagine to be their rivals. They are a class who are
1067 Euthyd|             manner was, burst into a roar of laughter; he said, That
1068 Euthyd|        cannot help thinking that the rogue must have picked up this
1069 Euthyd|             only as forms which have rooted themselves in language—as
1070 Euthyd|      Dionysodorus, I said, do not be rough; good words, if you please;
1071 Euthyd|              that?~SOCRATES: To this royal or political art all the
1072 Euthyd|             direction, and he may be ruined. Your visit, therefore,
1073 Euthyd|            do not know this.~You are ruining the argument, said Euthydemus
1074 Euthyd|           you, and a fortiori I must run away from two. I am no Heracles;
1075 Euthyd|           allow me to learn.~You are running away, Socrates, said Dionysodorus,
1076 Euthyd|          they, like wild boars, came rushing on his blows, and fearlessly
1077 Euthyd|            we esteem good? No solemn sage is required to tell us this,
1078 Euthyd|          them as pupils, and for the sake of them willing to receive
1079 Euthyd|           hand; the rest anywhere. I saluted the brothers, whom I had
1080 Euthyd|           they promised to give me a sample of the hortatory philosophy,
1081 Euthyd|              of the stars and of the sand?~Certainly; did you think
1082 Euthyd|        purely unmeaning fun with his satire.~The two discourses of Socrates
1083 Euthyd|            of philosophy which Plato satirises in the Euthydemus. The fallacies
1084 Euthyd|          which has not been found to satisfy the minds of philosophical
1085 Euthyd|         called upon the strangers to save me and the youth from the
1086 Euthyd|           grateful to you for having saved me from a long and tiresome
1087 Euthyd|            to an art or science, but scattered up and down as they would
1088 Euthyd|         shoemaking, etc?’ ‘Yes.’ The sceptical Ctesippus would like to
1089 Euthyd|            earnestness and more than scholastic subtlety, in which the catchwords
1090 Euthyd|          form of syllogisms like the schoolmen; the simple use of language
1091 Euthyd|          individuals only, but whole schools during more than one generation,
1092 Euthyd|      charming snakes and spiders and scorpions, and other monsters and
1093 Euthyd|            assented.~And are not the scribes most fortunate in writing
1094 Euthyd|              Amid the dangers of the sea, again, are any more fortunate
1095 Euthyd|            saw a second monster of a sea-crab, who was also a Sophist,
1096 Euthyd|            men only, but of dogs and sea-monsters. Ctesippus makes merry with
1097 Euthyd|              mother has a progeny of sea-urchins then?~Yes; and yours, he
1098 Euthyd|            have newly arrived from a sea-voyage, bearing down upon him from
1099 Euthyd|         think. But did you carry the search any further, and did you
1100 Euthyd|              in a wilderness, vainly searching after the art of life and
1101 Euthyd|              The one whom I mean was seated second from you on the right-hand
1102       | seeming
1103 Euthyd|            of the grave and reverend seigniors—you regard only those who
1104 Euthyd|        should like better than to be self-convicted of this, for if I am really
1105 Euthyd|         Socrates, like Ctesippus, in self-defence borrows the weapons of the
1106 Euthyd|            were confined to your two selves; but if there must be an
1107 Euthyd|              experimentum in corpore senis; I will be the Carian on
1108 Euthyd|   predication and an analysis of the sentence are given in the Sophist;
1109 Euthyd|          wisdom; I was their devoted servant, and fell to praising and
1110 Euthyd|           thought that I was rightly served for having opened my mouth
1111 Euthyd|             for doing any honourable service or ministration to any man,
1112 Euthyd|             philosophy as a means of serving their own interests. Plato
1113 Euthyd|            of the audience criticise severely this wisdom,—not sparing
1114 Euthyd|              you say, every mouth is sewn up, not excepting your own,
1115 Euthyd|           like similar criticisms on Shakespeare, and proceeds upon a narrow
1116 Euthyd|         against the Hydra, who was a she-Sophist, and had the wit to shoot
1117 Euthyd|              for example, an ox or a sheep—would you not think that
1118 Euthyd|            that he ought to have one shield only, and one spear?~I do.~
1119 Euthyd|              have as many spears and shields as possible?~Very true,
1120 Euthyd|          entreat and beseech them to shine forth. And I think that
1121 Euthyd|           that I was on the point of shipwreck, I lifted up my voice, and
1122 Euthyd|            all things. ‘Do they know shoemaking, etc?’ ‘Yes.’ The sceptical
1123 Euthyd|      she-Sophist, and had the wit to shoot up many new heads when one
1124 Euthyd|            something wonderful might shortly be expected. And certainly
1125 Euthyd|            but now the whole company shouted with delight until the columns
1126 Euthyd|     concludes with a grand chorus of shouting and laughing, and a panegyrical
1127 Euthyd|              were the persons whom I showed to Euthydemus, telling him
1128 Euthyd|           and happiness, as has been shown, is gained by a use, and
1129 Euthyd|             will you on this account shun all these pursuits yourself
1130 Euthyd|             or evil for a man who is sick to drink medicine when he
1131 Euthyd|           from you on the right-hand side. In the middle was Cleinias
1132 Euthyd|       recognized the familiar divine sign: so I sat down again, and
1133 Euthyd|           are of little or no use or significance to us; but because we have
1134 Euthyd|              not.~And what does that signify? said Ctesippus; you and
1135 Euthyd|              the series are: (1) the similarity in plan and style to the
1136 Euthyd|             child may know that.~The simple-minded youth was amazed; and, observing
1137 Euthyd|            Charming!’ he said; ‘what simplicity! philosophy is nought; and
1138 Euthyd|         thought, or imagine that any single science furnishes a principle
1139 Euthyd|          surprised, Cleinias, at the singularity of their mode of speech:
1140 Euthyd|              one when he is about to sit down, and then laughs and
1141 Euthyd|         please (and I am pretty well skinned by them already), if only
1142 Euthyd|          hope that you the enemy may slay.~‘Whom one knows, he knows.
1143 Euthyd|             rightly narrate? For not slight is the task of rehearsing
1144 Euthyd|              man?~He assented.~And a slow man less than a quick; and
1145 Euthyd|              Cleinias, wise not in a small but in a large way of wisdom,
1146 Euthyd|            silent?~Not when I pass a smithy; for then the iron bars
1147 Euthyd|      enchanter is a mode of charming snakes and spiders and scorpions,
1148 Euthyd|              serious, and show us in sober earnest what that knowledge
1149 Euthyd|            were problems not easy of solution in the infancy of philosophy.
1150       | somehow
1151 Euthyd|              is here given him, of a somewhat uproarious young man. But
1152 Euthyd|         called. This is the old, old song over again; and we are just
1153 Euthyd|            said Dionysodorus, I will soon extract the same admissions
1154 Euthyd|           composed before 390 at the soonest. Ctesippus, who is the lover
1155 Euthyd|               I again endeavoured to soothe Ctesippus, and said to him:
1156 Euthyd|            English. Compare Aristot. Soph. Elenchi (Poste’s translation):—~‘
1157 Euthyd|             as verbal fallacies. The sophism advanced in the Meno, ‘that
1158 Euthyd|      satirized in it reappear in the Sophistici Elenchi of Aristotle and
1159 Euthyd|            fallacies in his book ‘De Sophisticis Elenchis,’ which Plato,
1160 Euthyd|     entangled in the meshes of their sophistry; and as a storm seems to
1161 Euthyd|             employed of two opposite sorts of men, of those who know,
1162 Euthyd|              of ideas which had been sought after with such passionate
1163 Euthyd|              the Lyceum returned the sound, seeming to sympathize in
1164 Euthyd|      language; in which the ideas of space, time, matter, motion, were
1165 Euthyd|            severely this wisdom,—not sparing Socrates himself for countenancing
1166 Euthyd|            universal applause of the speakers and their words, and what
1167 Euthyd|             one shield only, and one spear?~I do.~And would you arm
1168 Euthyd|             he ought to have as many spears and shields as possible?~
1169 Euthyd|              it make us wise? Not in special arts, such as cobbling or
1170 Euthyd|              Socrates has given this specimen of his own mode of instruction,
1171 Euthyd|         There is certainly something specious in that notion of theirs.~
1172 Euthyd|            Yes, Crito, there is more speciousness than truth; they cannot
1173 Euthyd|       accompany the first efforts of speculation. Several of the fallacies
1174 Euthyd|             more. But to pursue such speculations further, though not irrelevant,
1175 Euthyd|              half-educated man which spelling or arithmetic do to the
1176 Euthyd|        progress and have no definite sphere, tends to interfere with
1177 Euthyd|       definite view of the different spheres of knowledge they are to
1178 Euthyd|          mode of charming snakes and spiders and scorpions, and other
1179 Euthyd|          opinion of themselves and a spite against philosophers, whom
1180 Euthyd|             and does not come to man spontaneously; for this is a point which
1181 Euthyd|           accompanied by dancing and sport; and now they are just prancing
1182 Euthyd|            wanted to catch me in his springes of words. And I remembered
1183 Euthyd|              new ones are constantly springing up. But they are not of
1184 Euthyd|          rivalry of the philosophers stands in their way; and they are
1185 Euthyd|           such as the numbers of the stars and of the sand?~Certainly;
1186 Euthyd|       evidence of this extraordinary statement: he will believe if Euthydemus
1187 Euthyd|             between philosophers and statesmen—they think that they are
1188 Euthyd|            my brother Patrocles (the statuary), were to come, he would
1189 Euthyd|              drinks is as big as the statue of Delphi.~And seeing that
1190 Euthyd|             a feeling of incredulity steals over me.~You may take our
1191 Euthyd|        living are the most likely to stimulate him to philosophy and to
1192 Euthyd|             he said.~And do you know stitching?~Yes, by the gods, we do,
1193 Euthyd|         interested, he jumped up and stood opposite to us: and all
1194 Euthyd|              person who pulls away a stool from some one when he is
1195       | stop
1196 Euthyd|          when they saw him, at first stopped and talked with one another,
1197 Euthyd|            their sophistry; and as a storm seems to be gathering Socrates
1198 Euthyd|             that here your wisdom is strangely mistaken; please, however,
1199 Euthyd|           meaning of terms or in the structure of propositions, how to
1200 Euthyd|           knowledge. These two great studies, the one destructive and
1201 Euthyd|         process to which he is being subjected. The two strangers are not
1202 Euthyd|           supreme authority over the subordinate arts, and I were to ask
1203 Euthyd|             pass away in words. They subsist only as forms which have
1204 Euthyd|          they probably received more subtle forms at the hands of those
1205 Euthyd|              he must act rightly and succeed, or his wisdom would be
1206 Euthyd|            not only good-fortune but success?~He again assented.~And
1207 Euthyd| flute-players are most fortunate and successful in performing on the flute?~
1208 Euthyd|              words follows, which is successfully retorted by Ctesippus, to
1209 Euthyd|             only had cheered at each successive hit, but now the whole company
1210 Euthyd|        nephew, to his help, who ably succoured him; but if my Iolaus, who
1211 Euthyd|           latter days; it might also suggest new methods of enquiry derived
1212 Euthyd|              be quite wonderful, and suicidal as well as destructive,
1213 Euthyd|            guardian or a friend or a suitor, whether citizen or stranger—
1214 Euthyd|          Then, I said, Cleinias, the sum of the matter appears to
1215 Euthyd|             the investigation may be summed up as follows:—~All men
1216 Euthyd|             he said, the addition is superfluous.~Well, then, I said, I will
1217 Euthyd|            does that do? Does it not supply us with the fruits of the
1218 Euthyd|           your own art of husbandry, supposing that to have supreme authority
1219 Euthyd|          than the other; only on the supposition that they are both evil
1220 Euthyd|              seemed to render up the supremacy, that being the only one
1221 Euthyd|           amazed; and, observing his surprise, I said to him: Do you not
1222 Euthyd|         consolingly: You must not be surprised, Cleinias, at the singularity
1223 Euthyd|              broader, the irony more sustained, the contrast between Socrates
1224 Euthyd|              always know them; and I swear that you shall always continue
1225 Euthyd|            see?~Nothing; but you, my sweet man, may perhaps imagine
1226 Euthyd|              ancient, or of Pope and Swift in the modern world, is
1227 Euthyd|               And can he vault among swords, and turn upon a wheel,
1228 Euthyd|            Cratylus; the form of the syllogism is indicated in the genealogical
1229 Euthyd|           arguments into the form of syllogisms like the schoolmen; the
1230 Euthyd|       returned the sound, seeming to sympathize in their joy. To such a
1231 Euthyd|      Dionysodorus. The Eclectic, the Syncretist, the Doctrinaire, have been
1232 Euthyd|              Republic; the nature of synthesis and analysis is graphically
1233 Euthyd|           elements of logic, not yet systematized or reduced to an art or
1234 Euthyd|             does to the cook, or the taker of quails to the keeper
1235 Euthyd|            thinking, when I hear you talk, that there is a sort of
1236 Euthyd|            him, at first stopped and talked with one another, now and
1237 Euthyd|        things, who tear arguments to tatters, who deny predication, and
1238 Euthyd|           letters?~Yes.~But when the teacher dictates to you, does he
1239 Euthyd|             that noble study is?~The teaching of virtue, Socrates, he
1240 Euthyd|             the place of things, who tear arguments to tatters, who
1241 Euthyd|            is an example, clumsy and tedious I admit, of the sort of
1242 Euthyd|            him, who is of the latter temper of mind, that virtue can
1243 Euthyd|             said. What do you say of temperance, justice, courage: do you
1244 Euthyd|           less than a courageous and temperate man?~Yes.~And an indolent
1245 Euthyd|            does arouse in his mind a temporary incredulity.~A circle gathers
1246 Euthyd|              laughter made Ctesippus ten times as uproarious; but
1247 Euthyd|             have no definite sphere, tends to interfere with the prosecution
1248 Euthyd|            preferred to bring to the test of ridicule. At first we
1249 Euthyd|             them about words, but be thankful for what they give us. If
1250 Euthyd|         Protagoras, Meno, Euthyphro, Theaetetus, Gorgias, Republic; the
1251 Euthyd|           good-looking: the other is thin and looks younger than he
1252 Euthyd|              he said.~And when a man thinks that he ought to obtain
1253 Euthyd|            as those of other people. Thirdly, he notes their liberality,
1254 Euthyd|             True, he said.~On second thoughts, I added, how narrowly,
1255 Euthyd|          other of his writings. Even Thrasymachus, in the Republic, is at
1256 Euthyd|             not found out the way of throwing another and not falling
1257 Euthyd|              to be what he is?~I was thrown into consternation at this.~
1258 Euthyd|           therefore, is most happily timed; and I hope that you will
1259 Euthyd|             saved me from a long and tiresome investigation as to whether
1260 Euthyd|            no one will dispute their title to the palm of wisdom, for
1261 Euthyd|            better for having all his tools and plenty of wood, if he
1262 Euthyd|        bottom, and Euthydemus is the top, of all my wisdom.~Is not
1263 Euthyd|               in the hope that I may touch their hearts and move them
1264       | towards
1265 Euthyd|            example, wealth, freedom, tranquillity, were neither good nor evil
1266 Euthyd|       himself; or as the quail-taker transfers the quails to the keeper
1267 Euthyd|              in the variety of their transformations, and he, like Menelaus in
1268 Euthyd|            perpetual oscillation and transition. Two great truths seem to
1269 Euthyd|               Soph. Elenchi (Poste’s translation):—~‘Of ambiguous propositions
1270 Euthyd|              no trick of language so transparent, no abstraction so barren
1271 Euthyd|             Euthydemus, who sees the trap in which Socrates catches
1272 Euthyd|        fairly claim to be the oldest treatise on logic; for that science
1273 Euthyd|      strangers to experience similar treatment; the fear of ridicule may
1274 Euthyd|        indicated in the genealogical trees of the Sophist and Statesman;
1275 Euthyd|            then the iron bars make a tremendous noise and outcry if they
1276 Euthyd|            hope that you will make a trial of the young man, and converse
1277 Euthyd|        probably contain allusions to tricks of language which may have
1278 Euthyd|            be able to play with men, tripping them up and oversetting
1279 Euthyd|          pre-Socratic philosophy are trivial and obsolete because we
1280 Euthyd|             young men do not like to trust yourselves with them, then
1281 Euthyd|            he said—all gentlemen and truth-speaking persons.~And are not good
1282 Euthyd|           net, who gives a desperate twist that he may get away, I
1283 Euthyd|          Antiphon or Lysias would be types of the class. Out of a regard
1284 Euthyd|               But,’ says Euthydemus, unabashed, ‘nobody wants much good.’
1285 Euthyd|            the two brothers, who are unapproachable in their effrontery, equally
1286 Euthyd|             to war armed rather than unarmed.~Good, I say. And yet I
1287 Euthyd|             these fallacies: (1) The uncertainty of language, which allows
1288 Euthyd|              are therefore generally unconscious of them.~Aristotle has analysed
1289 Euthyd|      composer of speeches.’ Socrates understands that he is an amphibious
1290 Euthyd|             is a danger that men may undervalue an art which they have so
1291 Euthyd|          others, appears to me to be undeserved; but as to the impropriety
1292 Euthyd|             Cleinias to become wise?~Undoubtedly.~And he is not wise as yet?~
1293 Euthyd|          hence are ignorant that the union of two good things which
1294 Euthyd|            name of ancestral Zeus is unknown to us.~No matter, said Dionysodorus,
1295 Euthyd|         mankind, which he finds ‘not unpleasant.’ (Compare Apol.)~Education
1296 Euthyd|              you, I said, that every unvirtuous person will want to learn.
1297 Euthyd|            of ridicule may make them unwilling to receive me; and therefore,
1298 Euthyd|           who learn, the wise or the unwise?’ ‘The wise,’ is the reply;
1299 Euthyd|      arguments equally strong can be urged in favour of assigning to
1300 Euthyd|              settled on the basis of usage and common sense; there
1301 Euthyd|           which ancient logic can be usefully applied. The weapons of
1302       | using
1303 Euthyd|            governing all things, and utilizing them.~CRITO: And were you
1304 Euthyd|              words which I have just uttered?~Why, I said, they are not
1305 Euthyd|           and the men themselves are utterly mean and ridiculous.’ Now
1306 Euthyd|             For only what is rare is valuable; and ‘water,’ which, as
1307 Euthyd|        Euthydemus? the promise is so vast, that a feeling of incredulity
1308 Euthyd|               he replied.~And can he vault among swords, and turn upon
1309 Euthyd|           all of them with one voice vehemently assented, and bid him exhibit
1310 Euthyd|           the two Sophists, although veiled, penetrates deeper than
1311 Euthyd|        ecstasy at their wisdom, gave vent to another peal of laughter,
1312 Euthyd|              laugh at me, for I only venture to improvise before you
1313 Euthyd|             may appear ridiculous in venturing to advise you, I think that
1314 Euthyd|              the absoluteness of the verb ‘to know.’ And here Dionysodorus
1315 Euthyd|           sitting at the helm of the vessel of state, piloting and governing
1316 Euthyd|        surely, in the manufacture of vessels, knowledge is that which
1317 Euthyd|          that you have a dog.~Yes, a villain of a one, said Ctesippus.~
1318 Euthyd|           honour; not forgetting the virtues and wisdom. And yet in this
1319 Euthyd|        ambiguity of (Greek), ‘things visible and able to see,’ (Greek), ‘
1320 Euthyd|           and he may be ruined. Your visit, therefore, is most happily
1321 Euthyd|              that he is pursuing his vocation of detecting the follies
1322 Euthyd|            their disciples, and they walked about in the covered court;
1323 Euthyd|            away from you while I was walking up and down. ‘Crito,’ said
1324 Euthyd|           Socrates, are described as wandering about in a wilderness, vainly
1325 Euthyd|           therefore I had no time to warn him of the predicament in
1326 Euthyd|            you do not understand the ways of these philosophers from
1327 Euthyd|            Ctesippus the Paeanian, a well-bred youth, but also having the
1328 Euthyd|              swords, and turn upon a wheel, at his age? has he got
1329       | whenever
1330 Euthyd|            me and the youth from the whirlpool of the argument; they were
1331 Euthyd|             know?~Again Dionysodorus whispered to me: That, Socrates, is
1332 Euthyd|            whether of good and evil, white or black, or any other;
1333       | Whither
1334 Euthyd|            have shed a light far and wide on the realms of knowledge.
1335 Euthyd|             plays on the lyre differ widely from one another. Am I not
1336 Euthyd|              place, about marrying a wife of good family to be the
1337 Euthyd|              as wandering about in a wilderness, vainly searching after
1338 Euthyd|           youth, but also having the wildness of youth. Cleinias saw me
1339 Euthyd|              would not be at all the wiser; he would only be able to
1340 Euthyd|               since I am required to withdraw the words ‘when I know.’~
1341 Euthyd|               but, like the Egyptian wizard, Proteus, they take different
1342 Euthyd|         implements necessary for his work, and did not use them, be
1343 Euthyd|              He assented.~Now in the working and use of wood, is not
1344 Euthyd|            is the business of a good workman? tell me, in the first place,
1345 Euthyd|        brother seem to me to be good workmen in your own department,
1346 Euthyd|            is ready to fall down and worship them; although the greatness
1347 Euthyd|            scribes most fortunate in writing and reading letters?~Certainly.~
1348 Euthyd|           use them either rightly or wrongly?~He must use them rightly.~
1349 Euthyd|          teach; and in the spirit of Xenophon’s Memorabilia, philosophy
1350 Euthyd|           after with such passionate yearning was set in order and made
1351 Euthyd|           with whom you were talking yesterday at the Lyceum? There was
1352 Euthyd|             mean, Socrates, that the youngster said all this?~SOCRATES:
1353 Euthyd|       Menexenus, and other ingenuous youths out of whose mouths Socrates