Dialogue

  1  Gorg|    conversation; no severe rules of art restrict them, and sometimes
  2  Gorg|       proportion is needed (his own art of measuring) in the study
  3  Gorg|     dialogues are finished works of art, we may find a reason for
  4  Gorg|           highest characteristic of art, which is simplicity. Most
  5  Gorg|             sound definition of his art from Gorgias, Socrates assumes
  6  Gorg|            existence of a universal art of flattery or simulation
  7  Gorg|          opposed the true and noble art of life which he who possesses
  8  Gorg|             forms of true and false art. In the development of this
  9  Gorg|           Polus finds his favourite art reduced to the level of
 10  Gorg|       incapable of defining his own art. When his ideas begin to
 11  Gorg|       Sophists; but favours the new art of rhetoric, which he regards
 12  Gorg|        concerning the nature of his art. Callicles proposes that
 13  Gorg|       quality for the nature of the art, and remarks to Gorgias,
 14  Gorg|             say, Socrates, that the art of persuasion, which gives
 15  Gorg|        define rhetoric simply as an art of persuasion, because there
 16  Gorg|             arithmetic, which is an art of persuasion about odd
 17  Gorg|             defines rhetoric as the art of persuading in the law
 18  Gorg|            a boxer should abuse the art of self- defence. Rhetoric
 19  Gorg|       Neither is the teacher of the art to be deemed unjust because
 20  Gorg|            teacher as a part of the art of rhetoric. But he who
 21  Gorg|       Socrates answer.~‘What is the art of Rhetoric?’ says Polus.
 22  Gorg|       Rhetoric?’ says Polus. Not an art at all, replies Socrates,
 23  Gorg|          you affirm to have created art. Polus asks, ‘What thing?’
 24  Gorg|        waiting upon them, first the art of politics, which attends
 25  Gorg|          judicial part; and another art attending on the body, which
 26  Gorg|            their own existence. The art of dressing up is the sham
 27  Gorg|        simulation of gymnastic, the art of cookery, of medicine;
 28  Gorg|           medicine : rhetoric : the art of justice.~And this is
 29  Gorg|             conceivable uses of the art, and no others have been
 30  Gorg|             pretensions—such as the art of swimming, or the art
 31  Gorg|             art of swimming, or the art of the pilot? Does not the
 32  Gorg|          never had a teacher of the art of building, and had never
 33  Gorg|           the meaner and the higher art. You seemed to understand
 34  Gorg|         person who teaches the true art of politics. And very probably,
 35  Gorg|           of conceiving a universal art or science, which admits
 36  Gorg|              compare Gorg.), as the art of persuasion, of all arts
 37  Gorg|            further observe that the art of government, while in
 38  Gorg|            to fall apart. The great art of novel writing, that peculiar
 39  Gorg|            together with the sister art of review writing, threatens
 40  Gorg|             noble purposes to which art may be applied (Republic).~
 41  Gorg|             no conception that true art should bring order out of
 42  Gorg|    conclusion of the whole matter:’ Art then must be true, and politics
 43  Gorg|             a legendary belief. The art of making stories of ghosts
 44  Gorg|        occasion, and the like. This art is possessed by Plato in
 45  Gorg|           what is the nature of his art, and what it is which he
 46  Gorg|             we call him—what is the art in which he is skilled.~
 47  Gorg|             to proceed according to art, and inexperience according
 48  Gorg|            one of the best, and the art in which he is a proficient
 49  Gorg|            has attended more to the art which is called rhetoric
 50  Gorg|   Chaerephon asked you what was the art which Gorgias knows, you
 51  Gorg|             you never said what the art was.~POLUS: Why, did I not
 52  Gorg|         what was the nature, of the art, and by what name we were
 53  Gorg|             first, to say what this art is, and what we ought to
 54  Gorg|           call you, and what is the art which you profess?~GORGIAS:
 55  Gorg|           Rhetoric, Socrates, is my art.~SOCRATES: Then I am to
 56  Gorg|          SOCRATES: But does not the art of medicine, which we were
 57  Gorg|            if you call rhetoric the art which treats of discourse,
 58  Gorg|           to be that rhetoric is an art of this latter sort?~GORGIAS:
 59  Gorg|            was, that rhetoric is an art which works and takes effect
 60  Gorg|           asked again: ‘What is the art of calculation?’ I should
 61  Gorg|           difference being that the art of calculation considers
 62  Gorg|            is deceiving you, for my art is concerned with the greatest
 63  Gorg|          say. Do you mean that your art produces the greatest good? ‘
 64  Gorg|           can show more good of his art than I can show of mine.’
 65  Gorg|           Gorgias contends that his art produces a greater good
 66  Gorg|         what you conceive to be the art of rhetoric; and you mean
 67  Gorg|           way;—is rhetoric the only art which brings persuasion,
 68  Gorg|      Socrates, that rhetoric is the art of persuasion in courts
 69  Gorg|            learn the nature of your art from you. And here let me
 70  Gorg|             nature and power of the art of rhetoric! And yet, Socrates,
 71  Gorg|          like any other competitive art, not against everybody,—
 72  Gorg|          not. For they taught their art for a good purpose, to be
 73  Gorg|        teachers bad, neither is the art in fault, or bad in itself;
 74  Gorg|           who make a bad use of the art are to blame. And the same
 75  Gorg|             the other arts, but the art of rhetoric only, and yet
 76  Gorg|           before he can acquire the art of rhetoric? If he is ignorant,
 77  Gorg|         wrong use of his pugilistic art; and in like manner, if
 78  Gorg|            you mean what sort of an art?~POLUS: Yes.~SOCRATES: To
 79  Gorg|          truth, Polus, it is not an art at all, in my opinion.~POLUS:
 80  Gorg|           say that you have made an art.~POLUS: What thing?~SOCRATES:
 81  Gorg|             ask me, what sort of an art is cookery?~POLUS: What
 82  Gorg|              POLUS: What sort of an art is cookery?~SOCRATES: Not
 83  Gorg|           cookery?~SOCRATES: Not an art at all, Polus.~POLUS: What
 84  Gorg|          whether or no this is that art of rhetoric which Gorgias
 85  Gorg|           of what he thought of his art, but the rhetoric which
 86  Gorg|        rhetoric is a part is not an art at all, but the habit of
 87  Gorg|             which may seem to be an art, but, as I maintain, is
 88  Gorg|    experience or routine and not an art:—another part is rhetoric,
 89  Gorg|           part is rhetoric, and the art of attiring and sophistry
 90  Gorg| corresponding to them: there is the art of politics attending on
 91  Gorg|            on the soul; and another art attending on the body, of
 92  Gorg|             thought of the best. An art I do not call it, but only
 93  Gorg|             any irrational thing an art; but if you dispute my words,
 94  Gorg|             and that rhetoric is an art and not a flattery—and so
 95  Gorg|        evident.~SOCRATES: Now, what art is there which delivers
 96  Gorg|          from poverty? Does not the art of making money?~POLUS:
 97  Gorg|             Yes.~SOCRATES: And what art frees us from disease? Does
 98  Gorg|          from disease? Does not the art of medicine?~POLUS: Very
 99  Gorg|         Clearly.~SOCRATES: Then the art of money-making frees a
100  Gorg|            what is the value of~‘An art which converts a man of
101  Gorg|           are evil, or must he have art or knowledge of them in
102  Gorg|             CALLICLES: He must have art.~SOCRATES: Let me now remind
103  Gorg|              which I do not call an art, but only an experience,
104  Gorg|         with pleasure, and that the art of medicine was of the class
105  Gorg|           an experience, and not an art at all; and that whereas
106  Gorg|         that whereas medicine is an art, and attends to the nature
107  Gorg|           some of them processes of art, making a provision for
108  Gorg|            not that appear to be an art which seeks only pleasure,
109  Gorg|          arts, as, for example, the art of playing the lyre at festivals?~
110  Gorg|            do you say of the choral art and of dithyrambic poetry?—
111  Gorg|          the other, and there is an art in distinguishing them,—
112  Gorg|          honest and understands his art have his eye fixed upon
113  Gorg|             the order and truth and art which are imparted to them:
114  Gorg|     provided himself with power and art; and if he have not studied
115  Gorg|             would appear, power and art have to be provided in order
116  Gorg|       Certainly.~SOCRATES: And what art will protect us from suffering
117  Gorg|            for I think that such an art is the art of one who is
118  Gorg|             that such an art is the art of one who is either a ruler
119  Gorg|            danger always; like that art of rhetoric which saves
120  Gorg|             of swimming; is that an art of any great pretensions?~
121  Gorg|          you of another and greater art, the art of the pilot, who
122  Gorg|        another and greater art, the art of the pilot, who not only
123  Gorg|         just like rhetoric. Yet his art is modest and unpresuming:
124  Gorg|            who is the master of the art, and has done all this,
125  Gorg|             you despise him and his art, and sneeringly call him
126  Gorg|           any man will show you the art of becoming great in the
127  Gorg|             know or do not know the art of building, and who taught
128  Gorg|          acquired experience of the art! Is not this, as they say,
129  Gorg|           are learning the potter’s art; which is a foolish thing?~
130  Gorg|           they did not use the true art of rhetoric or of flattery,
131  Gorg|          know that there is another art—an art of gymnastic and
132  Gorg|             there is another art—an art of gymnastic and medicine
133  Gorg|           body, first-rate in their art; for the first makes admirable
134  Gorg|           or noble notions of their art, and may very likely be
135  Gorg|         about building or any other art?~CALLICLES: Yes, we have
136  Gorg|       living who practises the true art of politics; I am the only
137  Gorg|          and rhetoric and any other art should be used by him, and