Dialogue

  1  Gorg|        best thing to a man’s being just is that he should be corrected
  2  Gorg|            be corrected and become just; also that he should avoid
  3  Gorg|            is informed that he has just missed an exhibition of
  4  Gorg|            the assembly, about the just and unjust. But still there
  5  Gorg|           But is he as ignorant of just and unjust as he is of medicine
  6  Gorg|         who has learned justice is just. The rhetorician then must
  7  Gorg|         rhetorician then must be a just man, and rhetoric is a just
  8  Gorg|        just man, and rhetoric is a just thing. But Gorgias has already
  9  Gorg|            know justice and not be just—here is the old confusion
 10  Gorg|     suffered justly: if the act is just, the effect is just; if
 11  Gorg|         act is just, the effect is just; if to punish is just, to
 12  Gorg|           is just; if to punish is just, to be punished is just,
 13  Gorg|            just, to be punished is just, and therefore fair, and
 14  Gorg|           who is temperate is also just and brave and pious, and
 15  Gorg|          the rhetorician must be a just man. And you were wrong
 16  Gorg|     admiration on the soul of some just one, whom he sends to the
 17  Gorg|          superior happiness of the just has been established on
 18  Gorg|            improving men, may have just the opposite effect.~Like
 19  Gorg|          in the description of the just man in the Gorgias, or in
 20  Gorg|         sufferings and fate of the just man, the powerlessness of
 21  Gorg|            governed than they are. Just as the actual philosopher
 22  Gorg|         sacred and familiar names, just as mere fragments of the
 23  Gorg|            Plato can do with words just as he pleases; to him they
 24  Gorg|  delightful feast; for Gorgias has just been exhibiting to us many
 25  Gorg|             for he was saying only just now, that any one in my
 26  Gorg|            was saying as much only just now; and I may add, that
 27  Gorg|            medicine, which we were just now mentioning, also make
 28  Gorg|      concerning diseases?~GORGIAS: Just so.~SOCRATES: And does not
 29  Gorg|        arts which I was mentioning just now; he might say, ‘Socrates,
 30  Gorg|          the arts of which we were just now speaking:— do not arithmetic
 31  Gorg|        other arts of which we were just now speaking are artificers
 32  Gorg|         other assemblies, as I was just now saying, and about the
 33  Gorg|          now saying, and about the just and unjust.~SOCRATES: And
 34  Gorg|            are persuaded?~GORGIAS: Just so.~SOCRATES: Shall we then
 35  Gorg|         other assemblies about the just and unjust, the sort of
 36  Gorg|           creates belief about the just and unjust, but gives no
 37  Gorg|            assemblies about things just and unjust, but he creates
 38  Gorg|        advise the state?—about the just and unjust only, or about
 39  Gorg|            also which Socrates has just mentioned?’ How will you
 40  Gorg|           not do for the physician just by the use of rhetoric.
 41  Gorg|           greater gain of the two, just as the gain is greater of
 42  Gorg|          is not as ignorant of the just and unjust, base and honourable,
 43  Gorg|          evil, base or honourable, just or unjust in them; or has
 44  Gorg|      either know the nature of the just and unjust already, or he
 45  Gorg|            who has learned what is just is just?~GORGIAS: To be
 46  Gorg|            learned what is just is just?~GORGIAS: To be sure.~SOCRATES:
 47  Gorg|            SOCRATES: And he who is just may be supposed to do what
 48  Gorg|          be supposed to do what is just?~GORGIAS: Yes.~SOCRATES:
 49  Gorg|         SOCRATES: And must not the just man always desire to do
 50  Gorg|        always desire to do what is just?~GORGIAS: That is clearly
 51  Gorg|        SOCRATES: Surely, then, the just man will never consent to
 52  Gorg|          the rhetorician must be a just man?~GORGIAS: Yes.~SOCRATES:
 53  Gorg|         But do you remember saying just now that the trainer is
 54  Gorg|            odd and even, but about just and unjust? Was not this
 55  Gorg|           the rhetorician knew the just and the honourable and the
 56  Gorg|      cannot tell:—from what he was just now saying, nothing appeared
 57  Gorg|     SOCRATES: Why, did you not say just now that the rhetoricians
 58  Gorg|          power in states, as I was just now saying; for they do
 59  Gorg|         POLUS: Were you not saying just now that he is wretched?~
 60  Gorg|        Polus, I say to you, I have just acquired rare power, and
 61  Gorg|        they are good when they are just, and evil when they are
 62  Gorg|            instead of refuting me; just now you were calling witnesses
 63  Gorg|          the observation which you just now made, about doing and
 64  Gorg|       would you not allow that all just things are honourable in
 65  Gorg|   honourable in so far as they are just? Please to reflect, and
 66  Gorg|            proposition which I was just now asserting: that the
 67  Gorg|        SOCRATES: And that which is just has been admitted to be
 68  Gorg|     punishes us, and makes us more just, and is the medicine of
 69  Gorg|          If we admit what has been just now said, every man ought
 70  Gorg|     contradict himself, that being just the sort of thing in which
 71  Gorg|       herself intimates that it is just for the better to have more
 72  Gorg|          is the honourable and the just. But if there were a man
 73  Gorg|   Euripides, whom I was mentioning just now: for I am disposed to
 74  Gorg|   Callicles, by whose aid you were just now saying many ironical
 75  Gorg|             A simple thing enough; just what is commonly said, that
 76  Gorg|           left; and this, as I was just now saying, is the life
 77  Gorg|            And were you not saying just now, that some courage implied
 78  Gorg|            sentence which you have just uttered, the word ‘thirsty’
 79  Gorg|           men? For you were saying just now that the courageous
 80  Gorg|            drinking, which we were just now mentioning—you mean
 81  Gorg|        experience and routine, and just preserves the recollection
 82  Gorg|           Callicles, which we were just now describing as flattery?~
 83  Gorg|     Miltiades and Pericles, who is just lately dead, and whom you
 84  Gorg|        such a one. Suppose that we just calmly consider whether
 85  Gorg|        standard and not at random; just as all other artists, whether
 86  Gorg|            control, which you were just now preferring?~CALLICLES:
 87  Gorg|       other men he will do what is just; and in his relation to
 88  Gorg|            and he who does what is just and holy must be just and
 89  Gorg|           is just and holy must be just and holy? Very true. And
 90  Gorg|            we have described, also just and courageous and holy,
 91  Gorg|            rhetorician ought to be just and have a knowledge of
 92  Gorg|         CALLICLES: And is not that just the provoking thing?~SOCRATES:
 93  Gorg|           the extremity of danger, just like rhetoric. Yet his art
 94  Gorg|        when he has saved, as I was just now saying, the passenger
 95  Gorg|             He knows that they are just the same when he has disembarked
 96  Gorg|          and the others whom I was just now mentioning? I know that
 97  Gorg|           had pleasure in view was just a vulgar flattery:—was not
 98  Gorg|       names of those whom you were just now mentioning, Pericles,
 99  Gorg|           his subjects, as we were just now acknowledging, to have
100  Gorg| acknowledging, to have become more just, and not more unjust?~CALLICLES:
101  Gorg|        true.~SOCRATES: And are not just men gentle, as Homer says?—
102  Gorg|            ten years? and they did just the same to Themistocles,
103  Gorg|            And that, Callicles, is just what you are now doing.
104  Gorg|           that men who have become just and good, and whose injustice
105  Gorg|    SOCRATES: I suppose that I can; just now, at any rate, the speeches
106  Gorg|            Polus:—I shall be tried just as a physician would be
107  Gorg|           and then would there not just be a clamour among a jury
108  Gorg|       manner, the judgment will be just. I knew all about the matter
109  Gorg|          journey of men will be as just as possible.’~From this
110  Gorg|     admiration on the soul of some just one who has lived in holiness
111  Gorg|         your head will swim round, just as mine would in the courts
112  Gorg|          best thing to a man being just is that he should become
113  Gorg|           is that he should become just, and be chastised and punished;