Dialogue

 1  Gorg|    moral antithesis of good and pleasure, or the intellectual antithesis
 2  Gorg|       is towards the good. That pleasure is to be distinguished from
 3  Gorg|         the simultaneousness of pleasure and pain, and by the possibility
 4  Gorg|       at first maintaining that pleasure is good, and that might
 5  Gorg|      lover of power and also of pleasure, and unscrupulous in his
 6  Gorg|       defined with reference to pleasure and utility? Polus assents
 7  Gorg| expresses what I mean. For true pleasure is a perpetual stream, flowing
 8  Gorg|   maintainer of the identity of pleasure and good. Will Callicles
 9  Gorg|      proceed with the argument. Pleasure and good are the same, but
10  Gorg|        not the same either with pleasure or good, or with one another.
11  Gorg|     together is impossible. But pleasure and pain are simultaneous,
12  Gorg|   simultaneously, and therefore pleasure cannot be the same as good.~
13  Gorg|      courage and knowledge from pleasure and good, proceeds:—The
14  Gorg|       are bad. And he who feels pleasure is good, and he who feels
15  Gorg|      pain is bad, and both feel pleasure and pain in nearly the same
16  Gorg|        agreed in distinguishing pleasure from good, returns to his
17  Gorg|         flatteries, which study pleasure only, and the arts which
18  Gorg|       the ground that they give pleasure only; and Meles the harp-player,
19  Gorg|         of Tragedy is bent upon pleasure, and not upon improvement.
20  Gorg|      are agreed about that,—but pleasure is to be pursued for the
21  Gorg|       one which was directed to pleasure, the other which was directed
22  Gorg|       procured the citizens any pleasure, and if any one charges
23  Gorg|        to a false antithesis of pleasure and good, and to an erroneous
24  Gorg|       the ambiguous terms good, pleasure, and the like. But it would
25  Gorg|      virtue as a calculation of pleasure, an opinion which he afterwards
26  Gorg|       will procure the greatest pleasure of the greatest number.
27  Gorg|      The antithesis of good and pleasure, which as in other dialogues
28  Gorg|   nature of the other. Good and pleasure, knowledge and sense, truth
29  Gorg|      and generation, virtue and pleasure, the real and the apparent,
30  Gorg|      that Plato’s conception of pleasure is the Heracleitean flux
31  Gorg|  objective, to the principle of pleasure, which is subjective. For
32  Gorg|     transient and precarious as pleasure.~b. The arts or sciences,
33  Gorg|   condemned because they aim at pleasure only, as in the Republic
34  Gorg|         deferred or accumulated pleasure, while in the Gorgias, and
35  Gorg|     Gorgias, and in the Phaedo, pleasure and good are distinctly
36  Gorg|         Philebus. There neither pleasure nor wisdom are allowed to
37  Gorg|       to be the chief good, but pleasure and good are not so completely
38  Gorg|  actions:—if they are lovers of pleasure, they will ruin their health;
39  Gorg|       of tragedy is a votary of pleasure and not of truth. In modern
40  Gorg|       Neither is the element of pleasure to be excluded. For when
41  Gorg|     when we substitute a higher pleasure for a lower we raise men
42  Gorg|     paradox of ethics, in which pleasure and pain are held to be
43  Gorg|       interests, is ever making pleasure the bait of the unwary,
44  Gorg|      myself, because it aims at pleasure without any thought of the
45  Gorg|         the sight of them gives pleasure to the spectators; can you
46  Gorg|         either by reason of the pleasure which they give, or of their
47  Gorg|       beauty by the standard of pleasure and utility.~SOCRATES: And
48  Gorg|       these; that is to say, in pleasure or utility or both?~POLUS:
49  Gorg|        best, gives the greatest pleasure or advantage or both?~POLUS:
50  Gorg|       himself has no longer any pleasure left; and this, as I was
51  Gorg|         is once filled; but the pleasure depends on the superabundance
52  Gorg| qualification that all who feel pleasure in whatever manner are happy,
53  Gorg|       ask, whether you say that pleasure and good are the same, or
54  Gorg|        or whether there is some pleasure which is not a good?~CALLICLES:
55  Gorg|         you to consider whether pleasure, from whatever source derived,
56  Gorg|          And would you say that pleasure and knowledge are the same,
57  Gorg|      that courage differed from pleasure?~CALLICLES: Certainly.~SOCRATES:
58  Gorg|        the Acharnian, says that pleasure and good are the same; but
59  Gorg|      drinking’ is expressive of pleasure, and of the satisfaction
60  Gorg|         Yes.~SOCRATES: There is pleasure in drinking?~CALLICLES:
61  Gorg|         see the inference:—that pleasure and pain are simultaneous,
62  Gorg|      pain a man might also have pleasure?~CALLICLES: Clearly.~SOCRATES:
63  Gorg|         Clearly.~SOCRATES: Then pleasure is not the same as good
64  Gorg|         his thirst and from his pleasure in drinking at the same
65  Gorg|     from thirsting and from the pleasure of drinking at the same
66  Gorg|         from the desire and the pleasure at the same moment?~CALLICLES:
67  Gorg|         he ceases from pain and pleasure at the same moment?~CALLICLES:
68  Gorg|         there is a cessation of pleasure and pain at the same moment;
69  Gorg|         different. How then can pleasure be the same as good, or
70  Gorg|      evil? (i.e. in having more pleasure and more pain.)~CALLICLES:
71  Gorg|        vary with the degrees of pleasure and of pain?~CALLICLES:
72  Gorg|          I will.~SOCRATES: Then pleasure, like everything else, is
73  Gorg|         is good for the sake of pleasure?~CALLICLES: To be sure.~
74  Gorg|     processes which aim only at pleasure, and know nothing of a better
75  Gorg|         which is concerned with pleasure, and that the art of medicine
76  Gorg|        there is such a thing as pleasure, and that pleasure is not
77  Gorg|     thing as pleasure, and that pleasure is not the same as good,
78  Gorg| acquisition of the one, that is pleasure, is different from the pursuit
79  Gorg|       cookery in attending upon pleasure never regards either the
80  Gorg|        nature or reason of that pleasure to which she devotes herself,
81  Gorg|     usually done when producing pleasure. And first, I would have
82  Gorg|      case, considering only the pleasure of the soul, and how this
83  Gorg|         employed with a view to pleasure and without any consideration
84  Gorg|         an art which seeks only pleasure, Callicles, and thinks of
85  Gorg|         or about what will give pleasure to the multitude?~CALLICLES:
86  Gorg|       said to regard even their pleasure? For his singing was an
87  Gorg| invented wholly for the sake of pleasure?~CALLICLES: That is my notion
88  Gorg|         and desire only to give pleasure to the spectators, or does
89  Gorg|         her face turned towards pleasure and the gratification of
90  Gorg|  mankind, bent upon giving them pleasure, forgetting the public good
91  Gorg|       treat them with a view to pleasure, and in the other with a
92  Gorg| SOCRATES: And the one which had pleasure in view was just a vulgar