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Dialogue
1 Gorg| characters of Gorgias, Polus, and Callicles respectively correspond; 2 Gorg| sarcastic in his encounter with Callicles. In the first division the 3 Gorg| the dialogue closes. Then Callicles appears on the scene, at 4 Gorg| flatters them, and he exhorts Callicles to choose the higher. The 5 Gorg| refute,’ and very eager that Callicles and Socrates should have 6 Gorg| him has fairly run out,~Callicles, in whose house they are 7 Gorg| been the name instead of Callicles, about whom we know nothing 8 Gorg| now the combat deepens. In Callicles, far more than in any sophist 9 Gorg| as Chaerephon remarks. Callicles soon loses his temper, but 10 Gorg| introduced. He is called by Callicles a popular declaimer, and 11 Gorg| pleases’ (compare Protag.). Callicles exhibits great ability in 12 Gorg| bent’ by the worldliness of Callicles. But he is also more deeply 13 Gorg| position of Socrates and Callicles will be reversed; all those 14 Gorg| unfit for ears polite’ which Callicles has prophesied as likely 15 Gorg| wiser man, for he as well as Callicles is in a state of perplexity 16 Gorg| disciple, Chaerephon, meets Callicles in the streets of Athens. 17 Gorg| concerning the nature of his art. Callicles proposes that they shall 18 Gorg| cheer, and Chaerephon and Callicles exhort them to proceed. 19 Gorg| been discovered by us.~Here Callicles, who has been listening 20 Gorg| exists between himself and Callicles, for both of them are lovers, 21 Gorg| of loves; the beloved of Callicles are the Athenian Demos and 22 Gorg| philosophy. The peculiarity of Callicles is that he can never contradict 23 Gorg| ever the same, ever true. Callicles must refute her, or he will 24 Gorg| discord of musical sounds.~Callicles answers, that Gorgias was 25 Gorg| but not by nature, says Callicles. And Socrates is always 26 Gorg| professes to have found in Callicles the philosopher’s touchstone; 27 Gorg| must be the very truth. Callicles has all the three qualities 28 Gorg| contradict themselves. But Callicles is well-educated; and he 29 Gorg| may have fallen, and which Callicles may point out. But he would 30 Gorg| talk.’~Socrates compliments Callicles on his frankness in saying 31 Gorg| are not happy. ‘Why,’ says Callicles, ‘if they were, stones and 32 Gorg| are abundantly satisfied? Callicles is indignant at the introduction 33 Gorg| pleasure and good. Will Callicles still maintain this? ‘Yes, 34 Gorg| seriousness on the part of Callicles reassures him, and they 35 Gorg| cannot be the same as good.~Callicles has already lost his temper, 36 Gorg| brave or may be even better.~Callicles endeavours now to avert 37 Gorg| for the sake of the good.~Callicles assents to this, and Socrates, 38 Gorg| interests of soul and body. Does Callicles agree to this division? 39 Gorg| agree to this division? Callicles will agree to anything, 40 Gorg| as if they were children.~Callicles replies, that this is only 41 Gorg| whom you find the latter? Callicles admits that there are none 42 Gorg| unrestrained indulgence which Callicles was recently approving.~ 43 Gorg| recently approving.~Here Callicles, who had been with difficulty 44 Gorg| had hoped to have given Callicles an ‘Amphion’ in return for 45 Gorg| same time, he hopes that Callicles will correct him, if he 46 Gorg| not the same as the good—Callicles and I are agreed about that,— 47 Gorg| earth, of gods and men. Callicles has never discovered the 48 Gorg| of the tyrant,’ rejoins Callicles, ‘will kill any one who 49 Gorg| with the office? And as Callicles is about to enter public 50 Gorg| physicians. In this respect, Callicles, you are like them; you 51 Gorg| modes of serving the state Callicles invites him:—‘to the inferior 52 Gorg| a good condition?’ Yes, Callicles, if he have the true self- 53 Gorg| in the way to which you, Callicles, invite us; for that way 54 Gorg| discernible in his argument with Callicles.~(2) Although Socrates professes 55 Gorg| is supposed not only by Callicles, but by the rest of mankind, 56 Gorg| PERSONS OF THE DIALOGUE: Callicles, Socrates, Chaerephon, Gorgias, 57 Gorg| Polus.~SCENE: The house of Callicles.~CALLICLES: The wise man, 58 Gorg| The house of Callicles.~CALLICLES: The wise man, as the proverb 59 Gorg| are we late for a feast?~CALLICLES: Yes, and a delightful feast; 60 Gorg| SOCRATES: It is not my fault, Callicles; our friend Chaerephon is 61 Gorg| prefer, at some other time.~CALLICLES: What is the matter, Chaerephon— 62 Gorg| our intention in coming.~CALLICLES: Come into my house, then; 63 Gorg| you.~SOCRATES: Very good, Callicles; but will he answer our 64 Gorg| exhibition to some other time.~CALLICLES: There is nothing like asking 65 Gorg| Gorgias, is our friend Callicles right in saying that you 66 Gorg| and so ably maintained.~CALLICLES: By the gods, Chaerephon, 67 Gorg| SOCRATES: I may truly say, Callicles, that I am willing, if Gorgias 68 Gorg| the previous discussion.~CALLICLES: Tell me, Chaerephon, is 69 Gorg| CHAEREPHON: I should say, Callicles, that he is in most profound 70 Gorg| but you may well ask him.~CALLICLES: By the gods, and I will. 71 Gorg| to be doing?~SOCRATES: O Callicles, if there were not some 72 Gorg| god of Egypt, I declare, O Callicles, that Callicles will never 73 Gorg| declare, O Callicles, that Callicles will never be at one with 74 Gorg| and contradict myself.~CALLICLES: O Socrates, you are a regular 75 Gorg| do.~SOCRATES: If my soul, Callicles, were made of gold, should 76 Gorg| other test was needed by me.~CALLICLES: What is your meaning, Socrates?~ 77 Gorg| the desired touchstone.~CALLICLES: Why?~SOCRATES: Because 78 Gorg| think so? I know that you, Callicles, and Tisander of Aphidnae, 79 Gorg| there is no nobler enquiry, Callicles, than that which you censure 80 Gorg| right in my recollection?~CALLICLES: Yes; that is what I was 81 Gorg| stronger the same or different?~CALLICLES: I say unequivocally that 82 Gorg| saying, they make the laws?~CALLICLES: Certainly.~SOCRATES: Then 83 Gorg| the laws of the superior?~CALLICLES: Very true.~SOCRATES: Then 84 Gorg| better, as you were saying?~CALLICLES: Yes.~SOCRATES: And since 85 Gorg| them are by nature good?~CALLICLES: Yes.~SOCRATES: And are 86 Gorg| that so or not? Answer, Callicles, and let no modesty be found 87 Gorg| competent an authority.~CALLICLES: Yes; the opinion of the 88 Gorg| argument is about custom?~CALLICLES: This man will never cease 89 Gorg| philosopher, is that your line?~CALLICLES: Certainly.~SOCRATES: I 90 Gorg| SOCRATES: I was thinking, Callicles, that something of the kind 91 Gorg| have to run away from you.~CALLICLES: You are ironical.~SOCRATES: 92 Gorg| No, by the hero Zethus, Callicles, by whose aid you were just 93 Gorg| you mean, by the better?~CALLICLES: I mean the more excellent.~ 94 Gorg| wiser, or if not, whom?~CALLICLES: Most assuredly, I do mean 95 Gorg| superior to the ten thousand?~CALLICLES: Yes; that is what I mean, 96 Gorg| in this matter of food?~CALLICLES: Certainly.~SOCRATES: Either, 97 Gorg| the smallest share of all, Callicles:—am I not right, my friend?~ 98 Gorg| I not right, my friend?~CALLICLES: You talk about meats and 99 Gorg| better? Answer ‘Yes’ or ‘No.’~CALLICLES: Yes.~SOCRATES: And ought 100 Gorg| to have a larger share?~CALLICLES: Not of meats and drinks.~ 101 Gorg| best and finest of them?~CALLICLES: Fudge about coats!~SOCRATES: 102 Gorg| greatest number of them?~CALLICLES: Fudge about shoes! What 103 Gorg| possible for his own land?~CALLICLES: How you go on, always talking 104 Gorg| Socrates!~SOCRATES: Yes, Callicles, and also about the same 105 Gorg| also about the same things.~CALLICLES: Yes, by the Gods, you are 106 Gorg| suggestion, nor offer one?~CALLICLES: I have already told you. 107 Gorg| See now, most excellent Callicles, how different my charge 108 Gorg| in what they are better?~CALLICLES: I have already told you 109 Gorg| than themselves, my friend?~CALLICLES: What do you mean?~SOCRATES: 110 Gorg| required to rule others?~CALLICLES: What do you mean by his ‘ 111 Gorg| pleasures and passions.~CALLICLES: What innocence! you mean 112 Gorg| know that to be my meaning.~CALLICLES: Quite so, Socrates; and 113 Gorg| There is a noble freedom, Callicles, in your way of approaching 114 Gorg| and that this is virtue?~CALLICLES: Yes; I do.~SOCRATES: Then 115 Gorg| truly said to be happy?~CALLICLES: No indeed, for then stones 116 Gorg| of your way of thinking, Callicles, for he declares, that of 117 Gorg| the same opinion still?~CALLICLES: The latter, Socrates, is 118 Gorg| the opposite is the truth?~CALLICLES: You do not convince me, 119 Gorg| for the liquid to escape.~CALLICLES: Certainly.~SOCRATES: The 120 Gorg| be hungering and eating?~CALLICLES: Yes.~SOCRATES: And he is 121 Gorg| thirsting and drinking?~CALLICLES: Yes, that is what I mean; 122 Gorg| your notion of happiness?~CALLICLES: What a strange being you 123 Gorg| SOCRATES: That was the reason, Callicles, why I scared Polus and 124 Gorg| now, answer my question.~CALLICLES: I answer, that even the 125 Gorg| pleasantly, then also happily?~CALLICLES: To be sure.~SOCRATES: But 126 Gorg| the question? And here, Callicles, I would have you consider 127 Gorg| enough of what they want?~CALLICLES: Are you not ashamed, Socrates, 128 Gorg| pleasure which is not a good?~CALLICLES: Well, then, for the sake 129 Gorg| the original agreement, Callicles, and will no longer be a 130 Gorg| contrary to your real opinion.~CALLICLES: Why, that is what you are 131 Gorg| follow, and many others.~CALLICLES: That, Socrates, is only 132 Gorg| opinion.~SOCRATES: And do you, Callicles, seriously maintain what 133 Gorg| maintain what you are saying?~CALLICLES: Indeed I do.~SOCRATES: 134 Gorg| proceed with the argument?~CALLICLES: By all means. (Or, ‘I am 135 Gorg| you would call knowledge?~CALLICLES: There is.~SOCRATES: And 136 Gorg| courage implied knowledge?~CALLICLES: I was.~SOCRATES: And you 137 Gorg| different from one another?~CALLICLES: Certainly I was.~SOCRATES: 138 Gorg| the same, or not the same?~CALLICLES: Not the same, O man of 139 Gorg| differed from pleasure?~CALLICLES: Certainly.~SOCRATES: Well, 140 Gorg| then, let us remember that Callicles, the Acharnian, says that 141 Gorg| another, or with the good.~CALLICLES: And what does our friend 142 Gorg| not assent; neither will Callicles, when he sees himself truly. 143 Gorg| are opposed to each other?~CALLICLES: Yes.~SOCRATES: And if they 144 Gorg| both, at the same time?~CALLICLES: What do you mean?~SOCRATES: 145 Gorg| which is called ophthalmia?~CALLICLES: To be sure.~SOCRATES: But 146 Gorg| sound at the same time?~CALLICLES: Certainly not.~SOCRATES: 147 Gorg| rid of them both together?~CALLICLES: Certainly not.~SOCRATES: 148 Gorg| be marvellous and absurd?~CALLICLES: Very.~SOCRATES: I suppose 149 Gorg| gets rid of them in turns?~CALLICLES: Yes.~SOCRATES: And he may 150 Gorg| in the same way, by fits?~CALLICLES: Yes.~SOCRATES: Or swiftness 151 Gorg| swiftness and slowness?~CALLICLES: Certainly.~SOCRATES: And 152 Gorg| alternation? (Compare Republic.)~CALLICLES: Certainly he has.~SOCRATES: 153 Gorg| answer without consideration.~CALLICLES: I entirely agree.~SOCRATES: 154 Gorg| was pleasant or painful?~CALLICLES: I said painful, but that 155 Gorg| painful: am I not right?~CALLICLES: Yes.~SOCRATES: And thirst, 156 Gorg| thirst, too, is painful?~CALLICLES: Yes, very.~SOCRATES: Need 157 Gorg| or desires are painful?~CALLICLES: I agree, and therefore 158 Gorg| are thirsty, is pleasant?~CALLICLES: Yes.~SOCRATES: And in the 159 Gorg| thirsty’ implies pain?~CALLICLES: Yes.~SOCRATES: And the 160 Gorg| satisfaction of the want?~CALLICLES: Yes.~SOCRATES: There is 161 Gorg| is pleasure in drinking?~CALLICLES: Certainly.~SOCRATES: When 162 Gorg| SOCRATES: And in pain?~CALLICLES: Yes.~SOCRATES: Do you see 163 Gorg| consequence: Is not this true?~CALLICLES: It is.~SOCRATES: You said 164 Gorg| fortune at the same time?~CALLICLES: Yes, I did.~SOCRATES: But 165 Gorg| might also have pleasure?~CALLICLES: Clearly.~SOCRATES: Then 166 Gorg| the same as the pleasant?~CALLICLES: I wish I knew, Socrates, 167 Gorg| means.~SOCRATES: You know, Callicles, but you affect not to know.~ 168 Gorg| you affect not to know.~CALLICLES: Well, get on, and don’t 169 Gorg| drinking at the same time?~CALLICLES: I do not understand what 170 Gorg| are saying.~GORGIAS: Nay, Callicles, answer, if only for our 171 Gorg| to hear the argument out.~CALLICLES: Yes, Gorgias, but I must 172 Gorg| matter? Your reputation, Callicles, is not at stake. Let Socrates 173 Gorg| argue in his own fashion.~CALLICLES: Well, then, Socrates, you 174 Gorg| them.~SOCRATES: I envy you, Callicles, for having been initiated 175 Gorg| drinking at the same moment?~CALLICLES: True.~SOCRATES: And if 176 Gorg| pleasure at the same moment?~CALLICLES: Very true.~SOCRATES: Then 177 Gorg| pleasure at the same moment?~CALLICLES: Yes.~SOCRATES: But he does 178 Gorg| adhere to what you said?~CALLICLES: Yes, I do; but what is 179 Gorg| beauty present with them?~CALLICLES: Yes.~SOCRATES: And do you 180 Gorg| good—would you not say so?~CALLICLES: Certainly.~SOCRATES: And 181 Gorg| foolish child rejoicing?~CALLICLES: Yes, I have.~SOCRATES: 182 Gorg| And a foolish man too?~CALLICLES: Yes, certainly; but what 183 Gorg| if you will only answer.~CALLICLES: Yes, I have.~SOCRATES: 184 Gorg| rejoicing or sorrowing?~CALLICLES: Yes.~SOCRATES: Which rejoice 185 Gorg| the wise or the foolish?~CALLICLES: They are much upon a par, 186 Gorg| see a coward in battle?~CALLICLES: To be sure.~SOCRATES: And 187 Gorg| the coward or the brave?~CALLICLES: I should say ‘most’ of 188 Gorg| only the brave, rejoice?~CALLICLES: Greatly.~SOCRATES: And 189 Gorg| foolish; so it would seem?~CALLICLES: Yes.~SOCRATES: And are 190 Gorg| are the brave also pained?~CALLICLES: Both are pained.~SOCRATES: 191 Gorg| are they equally pained?~CALLICLES: I should imagine that the 192 Gorg| at the enemy’s departure?~CALLICLES: I dare say.~SOCRATES: Then 193 Gorg| and pained than the brave?~CALLICLES: Yes.~SOCRATES: But surely 194 Gorg| the cowardly are the bad?~CALLICLES: Yes.~SOCRATES: Then the 195 Gorg| in a nearly equal degree?~CALLICLES: Yes.~SOCRATES: Then are 196 Gorg| pleasure and more pain.)~CALLICLES: I really do not know what 197 Gorg| were goods and pains evils?~CALLICLES: Yes, I remember.~SOCRATES: 198 Gorg| rejoice—if they do rejoice?~CALLICLES: Certainly.~SOCRATES: Then 199 Gorg| goods are present with them?~CALLICLES: Yes.~SOCRATES: And those 200 Gorg| sorrow present with them?~CALLICLES: Yes.~SOCRATES: And would 201 Gorg| of the presence of evil?~CALLICLES: I should.~SOCRATES: Then 202 Gorg| those who are in pain evil?~CALLICLES: Yes.~SOCRATES: The degrees 203 Gorg| of pleasure and of pain?~CALLICLES: Yes.~SOCRATES: Have the 204 Gorg| that the coward has more?~CALLICLES: I should say that he has.~ 205 Gorg| man we allow to be good?~CALLICLES: Yes.~SOCRATES: And the 206 Gorg| and the coward to be evil?~CALLICLES: Certainly.~SOCRATES: And 207 Gorg| he who has joy is good?~CALLICLES: Yes.~SOCRATES: And he who 208 Gorg| who is in pain is evil?~CALLICLES: Certainly.~SOCRATES: The 209 Gorg| the evil has more of them?~CALLICLES: Yes.~SOCRATES: Then must 210 Gorg| same:—can this be denied, Callicles?~CALLICLES: I have been 211 Gorg| this be denied, Callicles?~CALLICLES: I have been listening and 212 Gorg| others bad?~SOCRATES: Alas, Callicles, how unfair you are! you 213 Gorg| are good and others evil?~CALLICLES: Yes.~SOCRATES: The beneficial 214 Gorg| and the hurtful are evil?~CALLICLES: To be sure.~SOCRATES: And 215 Gorg| those which do some evil?~CALLICLES: Yes.~SOCRATES: Take, for 216 Gorg| and their opposites evil?~CALLICLES: Certainly.~SOCRATES: And 217 Gorg| and there are evil pains?~CALLICLES: To be sure.~SOCRATES: And 218 Gorg| good pleasures and pains?~CALLICLES: Certainly.~SOCRATES: But 219 Gorg| SOCRATES: But not the evil?~CALLICLES: Clearly.~SOCRATES: Because, 220 Gorg| a third vote to our two?~CALLICLES: I will.~SOCRATES: Then 221 Gorg| for the sake of pleasure?~CALLICLES: To be sure.~SOCRATES: But 222 Gorg| knowledge of them in detail?~CALLICLES: He must have art.~SOCRATES: 223 Gorg| friendship, I must beg you, Callicles, not to jest, or to imagine 224 Gorg| understand what I mean?~CALLICLES: No, I do not.~SOCRATES: 225 Gorg| far or not—do you agree?~CALLICLES: I do.~SOCRATES: Then I 226 Gorg| good or bad. In my opinion, Callicles, there are such processes, 227 Gorg| or whether you differ.~CALLICLES: I do not differ; on the 228 Gorg| soul, or of two or more?~CALLICLES: Equally true of two or 229 Gorg| for their true interests?~CALLICLES: Yes.~SOCRATES: Can you 230 Gorg| which seeks only pleasure, Callicles, and thinks of nothing else?~ 231 Gorg| thinks of nothing else?~CALLICLES: I assent.~SOCRATES: And 232 Gorg| playing the lyre at festivals?~CALLICLES: Yes.~SOCRATES: And what 233 Gorg| pleasure to the multitude?~CALLICLES: There can be no mistake 234 Gorg| for the sake of pleasure?~CALLICLES: That is my notion of them.~ 235 Gorg| judgment is her character?~CALLICLES: There can be no doubt, 236 Gorg| that the sort of thing, Callicles, which we were just now 237 Gorg| describing as flattery?~CALLICLES: Quite true.~SOCRATES: Well 238 Gorg| speech? (Compare Republic.)~CALLICLES: To be sure.~SOCRATES: And 239 Gorg| addressed to a crowd of people?~CALLICLES: Yes.~SOCRATES: Then poetry 240 Gorg| poetry is a sort of rhetoric?~CALLICLES: True.~SOCRATES: And do 241 Gorg| you to be rhetoricians?~CALLICLES: Yes.~SOCRATES: Then now 242 Gorg| the nature of flattery.~CALLICLES: Quite true.~SOCRATES: Very 243 Gorg| better or worse for this?~CALLICLES: I must distinguish. There 244 Gorg| of this stamp, who is he?~CALLICLES: But, indeed, I am afraid 245 Gorg| not know of such a man.~CALLICLES: What! did you never hear 246 Gorg| yourself?~SOCRATES: Yes, Callicles, they were good men, if, 247 Gorg| who did distinguish them?~CALLICLES: No, indeed, I cannot.~SOCRATES: 248 Gorg| SOCRATES: Yet, surely, Callicles, if you look you will find 249 Gorg| body: do you deny this?~CALLICLES: No; I am ready to admit 250 Gorg| there is disorder, evil?~CALLICLES: Yes.~SOCRATES: And the 251 Gorg| same is true of a ship?~CALLICLES: Yes.~SOCRATES: And the 252 Gorg| said of the human body?~CALLICLES: Yes.~SOCRATES: And what 253 Gorg| there is harmony and order?~CALLICLES: The latter follows from 254 Gorg| harmony and order in the body?~CALLICLES: I suppose that you mean 255 Gorg| as well as for the other.~CALLICLES: Why not give the name yourself, 256 Gorg| excellence: is that true or not?~CALLICLES: True.~SOCRATES: And ‘lawful’ 257 Gorg| and justice: have we not?~CALLICLES: Granted.~SOCRATES: And 258 Gorg| vice? Do you not agree?~CALLICLES: I agree.~SOCRATES: For 259 Gorg| For what use is there, Callicles, in giving to the body of 260 Gorg| estimated. Is not that true?~CALLICLES: I will not say No to it.~ 261 Gorg| is evil: am I not right?~CALLICLES: Yes.~SOCRATES: When a man 262 Gorg| even you will admit that?~CALLICLES: Yes.~SOCRATES: And does 263 Gorg| to her own improvement.~CALLICLES: Yes.~SOCRATES: Such treatment 264 Gorg| better for the soul herself?~CALLICLES: To be sure.~SOCRATES: And 265 Gorg| appetites is to chastise her?~CALLICLES: Yes.~SOCRATES: Then restraint 266 Gorg| were just now preferring?~CALLICLES: I do not understand you, 267 Gorg| which the argument speaks!~CALLICLES: I do not heed a word of 268 Gorg| break off in the middle?~CALLICLES: You shall judge for yourself.~ 269 Gorg| longer, and put the head on.~CALLICLES: How tyrannical you are, 270 Gorg| to finish the argument.~CALLICLES: Cannot you finish without 271 Gorg| continue the argument with Callicles, and then I might have given 272 Gorg| Zethus’; but since you, Callicles, are unwilling to continue, 273 Gorg| the tablets of my soul.~CALLICLES: My good fellow, never mind 274 Gorg| the good? Not the same. Callicles and I are agreed about that. 275 Gorg| present in us or them? That, Callicles, is my conviction. But the 276 Gorg| other answer can I give, Callicles dear; have you any?~CALLICLES: 277 Gorg| Callicles dear; have you any?~CALLICLES: Go on, my good fellow.~ 278 Gorg| he ought; and therefore, Callicles, the temperate man, being, 279 Gorg| And philosophers tell us, Callicles, that communion and friendship 280 Gorg| consequences which I drew before, Callicles, and about which you asked 281 Gorg| repeated once more. I tell you, Callicles, that to be boxed on the 282 Gorg| avert them. Am I not right Callicles?~CALLICLES: Yes, quite right.~ 283 Gorg| Am I not right Callicles?~CALLICLES: Yes, quite right.~SOCRATES: 284 Gorg| himself with the power?~CALLICLES: He must have provided himself 285 Gorg| still? Surely you might say, Callicles, whether you think that 286 Gorg| wrong against their will?~CALLICLES: Granted, Socrates, if you 287 Gorg| we may do no injustice?~CALLICLES: Certainly.~SOCRATES: And 288 Gorg| companion of the ruling power.~CALLICLES: Well said, Socrates; and 289 Gorg| Would you not agree to this?~CALLICLES: I should.~SOCRATES: But 290 Gorg| perfectly friendly with him.~CALLICLES: That is true.~SOCRATES: 291 Gorg| regard him as a friend.~CALLICLES: That again is true.~SOCRATES: 292 Gorg| impunity:—is not that so?~CALLICLES: Yes.~SOCRATES: And if a 293 Gorg| as like him as possible?~CALLICLES: Yes.~SOCRATES: And in this 294 Gorg| and not suffering injury?~CALLICLES: Very true.~SOCRATES: But 295 Gorg| possible, and not be punished?~CALLICLES: True.~SOCRATES: And by 296 Gorg| the greatest evil to him?~CALLICLES: You always contrive somehow 297 Gorg| goods?~SOCRATES: Excellent Callicles, I am not deaf, and I have 298 Gorg| kill the good and true.~CALLICLES: And is not that just the 299 Gorg| advise me to cultivate?~CALLICLES: Yes, truly, and very good 300 Gorg| of any great pretensions?~CALLICLES: No, indeed.~SOCRATES: And 301 Gorg| And if he were to talk, Callicles, in your grandiose style, 302 Gorg| But perhaps you, sweet Callicles, may be of another mind. 303 Gorg| another mind. What do you say?~CALLICLES: Somehow or other your words, 304 Gorg| SOCRATES: The reason is, Callicles, that the love of Demus 305 Gorg| distinction which we drew?~CALLICLES: Very true.~SOCRATES: And 306 Gorg| another of our conclusions?~CALLICLES: Be it so, if you will have 307 Gorg| to, whether body or soul?~CALLICLES: Quite true.~SOCRATES: And 308 Gorg| good. Shall we say that?~CALLICLES: Yes, certainly, if you 309 Gorg| Well, then, if you and I, Callicles, were intending to set about 310 Gorg| would not that be necessary, Callicles?~CALLICLES: True.~SOCRATES: 311 Gorg| be necessary, Callicles?~CALLICLES: True.~SOCRATES: In the 312 Gorg| them. Is not this true?~CALLICLES: Certainly.~SOCRATES: And 313 Gorg| of us, then, by Heaven, Callicles, what an absurdity to think 314 Gorg| which is a foolish thing?~CALLICLES: True.~SOCRATES: And now, 315 Gorg| another. Tell me, then, Callicles, how about making any of 316 Gorg| and became by the help of Callicles good and noble? Was there 317 Gorg| slave or freeman? Tell me, Callicles, if a person were to ask 318 Gorg| Why will you not answer?~CALLICLES: You are contentious, Socrates.~ 319 Gorg| they were good citizens.~CALLICLES: I do.~SOCRATES: But if 320 Gorg| better instead of worse?~CALLICLES: Yes.~SOCRATES: And, therefore, 321 Gorg| good as when he spoke last?~CALLICLES: Very likely.~SOCRATES: 322 Gorg| the inference is certain.~CALLICLES: And what difference does 323 Gorg| love of talk and money.~CALLICLES: You heard that, Socrates, 324 Gorg| that he was a malefactor.~CALLICLES: Well, but how does that 325 Gorg| received them? What do you say?~CALLICLES: I will do you the favour 326 Gorg| whether man is an animal?~CALLICLES: Certainly he is.~SOCRATES: 327 Gorg| Pericles a shepherd of men?~CALLICLES: Yes.~SOCRATES: And if he 328 Gorg| just, and not more unjust?~CALLICLES: Quite true.~SOCRATES: And 329 Gorg| are you of another mind?~CALLICLES: I agree.~SOCRATES: And 330 Gorg| very far from desiring.~CALLICLES: Do you want me to agree 331 Gorg| you to speak the truth.~CALLICLES: Granted then.~SOCRATES: 332 Gorg| more unjust and inferior?~CALLICLES: Granted again.~SOCRATES: 333 Gorg| was not a good statesman?~CALLICLES: That is, upon your view.~ 334 Gorg| profession.—What do you think?~CALLICLES: I should think not.~SOCRATES: 335 Gorg| have fallen out of favour.~CALLICLES: But surely, Socrates, no 336 Gorg| the mischief. And that, Callicles, is just what you are now 337 Gorg| friends, than this? You, Callicles, compel me to be a mob-orator, 338 Gorg| because you will not answer.~CALLICLES: And you are the man who 339 Gorg| blaming him for being bad?~CALLICLES: Yes, it appears so to me.~ 340 Gorg| this inconsistent manner?~CALLICLES: Yes, but why talk of men 341 Gorg| benefit. Is not this a fact?~CALLICLES: Certainly it is.~SOCRATES: 342 Gorg| by reason of injustice.~CALLICLES: Very true.~SOCRATES: And 343 Gorg| right? (Compare Protag.)~CALLICLES: Yes.~SOCRATES: Then we 344 Gorg| building or any other art?~CALLICLES: Yes, we have found the 345 Gorg| held to be dishonourable?~CALLICLES: True.~SOCRATES: And why? 346 Gorg| otherwise not. Is this true?~CALLICLES: It is.~SOCRATES: Then to 347 Gorg| tell me your entire mind.~CALLICLES: I say then that you should 348 Gorg| that is a noble invitation.~CALLICLES: The Mysian, Socrates, or 349 Gorg| and if basely, hurtfully.~CALLICLES: How confident you are, 350 Gorg| I must indeed be a fool, Callicles, if I do not know that in 351 Gorg| you why I anticipate this?~CALLICLES: By all means.~SOCRATES: 352 Gorg| How they would cry out!~CALLICLES: I dare say.~SOCRATES: Would 353 Gorg| utterly at a loss for a reply?~CALLICLES: He certainly would.~SOCRATES: 354 Gorg| saying what may happen to me.~CALLICLES: And do you think, Socrates, 355 Gorg| position?~SOCRATES: Yes, Callicles, if he have that defence, 356 Gorg| like to tell you a story.~CALLICLES: Very well, proceed; and 357 Gorg| possible.’~From this tale, Callicles, which I have heard and 358 Gorg| equally true of the soul, Callicles; when a man is stripped 359 Gorg| those who had the power. No, Callicles, the very bad men come from 360 Gorg| or not; and I should say, Callicles, that he is most likely 361 Gorg| laws to the dead.’~Now I, Callicles, am persuaded of the truth 362 Gorg| follow you; for that way, Callicles, is nothing worth.~THE END~