Dialogue

1002  Gorg|            man of sorrows of whom the Hebrew prophets spoke, has sunk
1003  Gorg|           speaks!~CALLICLES: I do not heed a word of what you are saying,
1004  Gorg|               drops the argument, and heedless any longer of the forms
1005  Gorg|              a very few a Tartarus or hell. The myth which terminates
1006  Gorg|               for us, it is a time to Hellenize and to praise knowing; for
1007  Gorg|         deceived me if you could have helped. But I see that I was mistaken;
1008  Gorg|               no use to us, Polus, in helping a man to excuse his own
1009  Gorg|         conception of pleasure is the Heracleitean flux transferred to the
1010  Gorg|            them! To invite the common herd to be lord over him, when
1011      | Herein
1012  Gorg|              seem discourteous; and I hesitate to answer, lest Gorgias
1013  Gorg|     characters, has for the most part hidden from us the consequences
1014  Gorg|             of justice and temperance hinders from giving more to his
1015  Gorg|              own souls. All this is a hindrance to them; there are the clothes
1016  Gorg|              made to the ‘omniscient’ Hippias, according to the testimony
1017  Gorg|         servant than he who works for hire. May not the service of
1018  Gorg|               passing any judgment on historical individuals, but only attempting
1019  Gorg|             verba are laws?~SOCRATES: Ho! my philosopher, is that
1020  Gorg|          noble Polus, you are raising hobgoblins instead of refuting me;
1021  Gorg|              of holes, in a similarly holey sieve, and this sieve is
1022  Gorg|             words of the happiest and holiest moments of life, of the
1023  Gorg|         writing. This is due to their homeliness and simplicity. Plato can
1024  Gorg|             sinners, as well as other homes or places for the very good
1025  Gorg|              of the song says, wealth honestly obtained.~GORGIAS: Yes,
1026  Gorg|            alone can safely leave the honorarium to his pupils, if he be
1027  Gorg|              that day. Renouncing the honours at which the world aims,
1028  Gorg|               two;’ and though he had hoped to have given Callicles
1029  Gorg|       questions which were beyond the horizon of his vision, or did not
1030  Gorg|       medicine, or apply the knife or hot iron to him; and I have
1031  Gorg|              death, and are yet quite humble in their pretensions—such
1032  Gorg|             of their time, but Locke, Hume, Adam Smith, Bentham, Ricardo.
1033  Gorg|             you mean that he is to be hungering and eating?~CALLICLES: Yes.~
1034  Gorg|            to-morrow.’ Sir William W. Hunter, Preface to Orissa.)~Fourth
1035  Gorg|           execution of his plans; not hurrying them on when the mind of
1036  Gorg|                basely, and if basely, hurtfully.~CALLICLES: How confident
1037  Gorg|            the wise and good and true husbandman should actually have a larger
1038  Gorg|    unconscious as well as a conscious hypocrisy which, according to Socrates,
1039  Gorg|             way, whatever may be your hypothesis.~GORGIAS: I think that you
1040  Gorg|               are always discontented idealists in politics who, like Socrates
1041  Gorg|           human nature (Republic); he idealizes the sensual; he sings the
1042  Gorg|              treatises on ethics.~The idealizing of suffering is one of the
1043  Gorg|            considered by you when you identified them: Are not the good good
1044  Gorg|              him, neither divides nor identifies them; though the time has
1045  Gorg|              ambitious citizen has to identify himself with the people,
1046  Gorg|              by the maintainer of the identity of pleasure and good. Will
1047  Gorg|             people pay, and made them idle and cowardly, and encouraged
1048  Gorg|      incontinence, and despatches him ignominiously to his prison, and there
1049  Gorg|              nearly the same; but you ignorantly fancy that rhetoric is a
1050  Gorg|            the truth. Homer tells us (Il.), how Zeus and Poseidon
1051  Gorg|            one another—to be well and ill together is impossible.
1052  Gorg|               first he is violent and ill-mannered, and is angry at seeing
1053  Gorg|          justice. And when the fit of illness comes, the citizens who
1054  Gorg|              a definition recurs. The illusive analogy of the arts and
1055  Gorg|             advise the state?~Gorgias illustrates the nature of rhetoric by
1056  Gorg|             by his own fault? Another illustration is afforded by the pauper
1057  Gorg|            are very far from the best imaginable world at present, Plato
1058  Gorg|            the Island of Atlantis, an imaginary history, which is a fragment
1059  Gorg|          ideals act powerfully on the imagination of mankind. And such condemnations
1060  Gorg|               use of the poetical and imaginative faculty. The reconciliation
1061  Gorg|              you not know that he who imitates the tyrant will, if he has
1062  Gorg|            True.~SOCRATES: And by the imitation of his master and by the
1063  Gorg|          which they can compass their immediate ends. We pity them, and
1064  Gorg|              of mortals as well as of immortals;’~this, as he says,~‘Makes
1065  Gorg|              what is thought to be an immutable foundation. At the same
1066  Gorg|               truth and art which are imparted to them: Am I not right?
1067  Gorg|               and inspects them quite impartially, not knowing whose the soul
1068  Gorg|             know nothing.~Polus is an impetuous youth, a runaway ‘colt,’
1069  Gorg|              of the greatest and most impious crimes, because they have
1070  Gorg|            who has lived unjustly and impiously shall go to the house of
1071  Gorg|           just now, that some courage implied knowledge?~CALLICLES: I
1072  Gorg|         mankind. Into the theological import of this, or into the consideration
1073  Gorg|              law, which we invent and impose upon our fellows, of whom
1074  Gorg|             But I say that this is an impossibility—here is one point about
1075  Gorg|            crooked with falsehood and imposture, and has no straightness,
1076  Gorg|             and foreseen, are of this impotent and paralytic sort; and
1077  Gorg|         society.~Then comes Socrates, impressed as no other man ever was,
1078  Gorg|            daily needs. Do I make any impression on you, and are you coming
1079  Gorg|            could ever communicate our impressions to one another. I make this
1080  Gorg|               despotic power, who can imprison, exile, kill any one whom
1081  Gorg|              killing or despoiling or imprisoning whom he pleased, Oh, no!~
1082  Gorg|              both modes of speech not improperly or inharmoniously. It is
1083  Gorg|           between the suffering which improves and the suffering which
1084  Gorg|            that suffering, instead of improving men, may have just the opposite
1085  Gorg|              to obey all the ignorant impulses of the popular mind; and
1086  Gorg|             can only be rendered very inadequately in another language.~The
1087  Gorg|                That may very well be, inasmuch as doing injustice is the
1088  Gorg|         praise to be one of the chief incentives to moral virtue, and to
1089  Gorg|         without buying them—’ (Fragm. Incert. 151 (Bockh).)~—I do not
1090  Gorg|        theology are mixed up with the incidents of travel, and mythological
1091  Gorg|             it has become in this. It includes a Paradiso, Purgatorio,
1092  Gorg|               their lives occupied an inconsiderable space in the eyes of the
1093  Gorg|              luxury and insolence and incontinence, and despatches him ignominiously
1094  Gorg|              of conflicting elements, increased security against external
1095  Gorg|             they have extended almost indefinitely the scope of each separate
1096  Gorg|          great allegory which have an indescribable grandeur and power. The
1097  Gorg|             reconcilable with another indication of time, viz. the ‘recent’
1098  Gorg|               and recalling us to the indications of the text.~Like the Phaedrus,
1099  Gorg|           court of little boys at the indictment of the cook. What would
1100  Gorg|               satisfied? Callicles is indignant at the introduction of such
1101  Gorg|               compare Phaedo), but he indirectly implies that the evils of
1102  Gorg|           medicine would mingle in an indiscriminate mass. And now I have told
1103  Gorg|      prolixity of speech in which you indulged at first.~POLUS: What! do
1104  Gorg|               of man. After making an ineffectual attempt to obtain a sound
1105  Gorg|           that you ought to cultivate inequality or excess, and do not care
1106  Gorg|         proceed according to art, and inexperience according to chance, and
1107  Gorg|           honour ought to know; he is inexperienced in the laws of the State,
1108  Gorg|               youth, like the lisp of infancy, and should be cultivated
1109  Gorg|               know what became of the infants ‘dying almost as soon as
1110  Gorg|        corruption, mining all within, Infects unseen.’~The ‘accustomed
1111  Gorg|         believe, I draw the following inferences:—Death, if I am right, is
1112  Gorg|            real and the apparent, the infinite and finite, harmony or beauty
1113  Gorg|               sorts of great injuries inflicted on him, and having seen
1114  Gorg|            human race, it has been as influential and as widely spread as
1115  Gorg|             the superabundance of the influx.~SOCRATES: But the more
1116  Gorg|       perforated. The colander, as my informer assures me, is the soul,
1117  Gorg|             himself; and you, in your ingenuity perceiving the advantage
1118  Gorg|              ministerial one,’ is the ingenuous reply. That is the only
1119  Gorg|             Socrates says, the cry of ingratitude is heard, which is most
1120  Gorg|            beyond. The earth which we inhabit is a sediment of the coarser
1121  Gorg|         rather that my lyre should be inharmonious, and that there should be
1122  Gorg|              speech not improperly or inharmoniously. It is useless to criticise
1123  Gorg|              good is the proper order inhering in each thing? Such is my
1124  Gorg|            hope of depriving me of my inheritance, which is the truth. But
1125  Gorg|            the state, and no one will injure him with impunity:—is not
1126  Gorg|               consequent pain: Do the injurers suffer more than the injured?~
1127  Gorg|              my guard—but if my enemy injures a third person, then in
1128  Gorg|         having had all sorts of great injuries inflicted on him, and having
1129  Gorg|              Give you poverty for the inmate of your dwelling.’~Cease,
1130  Gorg|        instead of the intemperate and insatiate life, choose that which
1131  Gorg|              are with me, but I shall inscribe you as the greatest of benefactors
1132  Gorg|       splendour of success, he is not insensible to higher arguments. Plato
1133  Gorg|                who is attended by his inseparable disciple, Chaerephon, meets
1134  Gorg|            manner, but they are never insisted on as true; it is only affirmed
1135  Gorg|               of words, declaring and insisting that we ought all of us
1136  Gorg|              of meats and drinks, but insists on his exercising self-restraint.
1137  Gorg|             by licence and luxury and insolence and incontinence, and despatches
1138  Gorg|              places them near him and inspects them quite impartially,
1139  Gorg|               away to custom: as, for instance, you did in this very discussion
1140  Gorg|             or his garment torn in an instant. Such is my great power
1141  Gorg|           before Rhadamanthus, and he instantly detects him, though he knows
1142  Gorg|               of the animal lusts and instincts on the other. The soul of
1143  Gorg|              put upon you any sort of insult.~Perhaps this may appear
1144  Gorg|           despises you as a fool, and insults you, if he has a mind; let
1145  Gorg|               should have courage and intelligence to minister to them and
1146  Gorg|              this phenomenon? All who intend to become disciples, of
1147  Gorg|               slow to learn—that good intentions, and even benevolent actions,
1148  Gorg|        consists of description of the interior of the earth, which gives
1149  Gorg|               characters of the three interlocutors also correspond to the parts
1150  Gorg|               either good or evil, or intermediate and indifferent?~POLUS:
1151  Gorg|             which are untrue you must interpose and refute me, for I do
1152  Gorg|            and their whole bodies are interposed as a veil before their own
1153  Gorg|             persuaded to go on by the interposition of Gorgias. Socrates, having
1154  Gorg|             by a modern standard, but interpreted with reference to his place
1155  Gorg|            ordinary politician is the interpreter or executor of the thoughts
1156  Gorg|          display his rhetoric, but of interrogating him concerning the nature
1157  Gorg|         otherwise when pressed by the interrogations of Socrates?), but he thinks
1158  Gorg|             that you will listen, and interrupt me if I seem to you to be
1159  Gorg|          allusions and references are interspersed, which form the loose connecting
1160  Gorg|           Republic), or the numerical interval which separates king from
1161  Gorg|          appearing and reappearing at intervals: such as the bees stinging
1162  Gorg|            you then gave to your most intimate friends, I have a sufficient
1163  Gorg|   consequences which have been darkly intimated must follow, and many others.~
1164  Gorg|                whereas nature herself intimates that it is just for the
1165  Gorg|         himself open to the charge of intolerance. No speculations had as
1166  Gorg|             fine friend, but am I the introducer of these topics, or he who
1167  Gorg|               Even in the Republic he introduces a future life as an afterthought,
1168  Gorg|       principle of justice did Xerxes invade Hellas, or his father the
1169  Gorg|                for they may follow an invariable law, yet they may often
1170  Gorg|              artificial law, which we invent and impose upon our fellows,
1171  Gorg|           precise dramatic date is an invention of his commentators (Preface
1172  Gorg|        somehow or other, Socrates, to invert everything: do you not know
1173  Gorg|              And in the course of our investigations, as you will see yourself,
1174  Gorg|             the familiar principle he invests with a new dignity; he finds
1175  Gorg|            well, sir, that is a noble invitation.~CALLICLES: The Mysian,
1176  Gorg|         crimes: in the first place he invited his uncle and master, Alcetas,
1177  Gorg|           serving the state Callicles invites him:—‘to the inferior and
1178  Gorg|         strength, get together, their ipsissima verba are laws?~SOCRATES:
1179  Gorg|             interest. Yet in the most irregular of the dialogues there is
1180  Gorg|             generation have become an irresistible power. ‘Herein is that saying
1181  Gorg|            temper, but the more he is irritated, the more provoking and
1182  Gorg|           evil: (2) the legend of the Island of Atlantis, an imaginary
1183  Gorg|            say, to begin with the big jar when you are learning the
1184  Gorg|            than not; you would not be jealous when you saw any one killing
1185  Gorg|         Socrates in earnest, or is he joking?~CHAEREPHON: I should say,
1186  Gorg|          judgment respecting the last journey of men will be as just as
1187  Gorg|             looking for a reward; the joys of another life may not
1188  Gorg|            have their clothes on when judging; their eyes and ears and
1189  Gorg|              a legislative part and a judicial part; and another art attending
1190  Gorg|         master overthrown. But in the judicious hands of Socrates he is
1191  Gorg|               notions, which, whether justifiable by logic or not, have always
1192  Gorg|               pun,—dia to pithanon te kai pistikon onomase pithon.),
1193  Gorg|               of them. He expresses a keen intellectual interest in
1194  Gorg|               another, and are seldom kept perfectly distinct. And
1195  Gorg|           them gentle, taught them to kick and butt, and man is an
1196  Gorg|               them originally neither kicking nor butting nor biting him,
1197  Gorg|               or any of my friends or kinsmen, or to save them in the
1198  Gorg|             form of gymnastic, and is knavish, false, ignoble, illiberal,
1199  Gorg|       despatches the bad to Tartarus, labelled either as curable or incurable,
1200  Gorg|               apprentices,—a somewhat laboured figure of speech intended
1201  Gorg|           agreed with me, either from lack of knowledge or from superfluity
1202  Gorg|              that, Socrates, from the laconising set who bruise their ears.~
1203  Gorg|              to go to the world below laden with offences is the worst
1204  Gorg|      statesman, neither adopting the ‘laissez faire’ nor the ‘paternal
1205  Gorg|               as possible for his own land?~CALLICLES: How you go on,
1206  Gorg|               therefore he will allow largely for the unknown element
1207  Gorg|              call up not one but many latent images; or half reveal to
1208  Gorg|             the strain of love in the latest fashion; instead of raising
1209  Gorg|              delight. Whereupon Polus laughed at you deservedly, as I
1210  Gorg|             of the two. At this Polus laughs outright, which leads Socrates
1211  Gorg|               Socrates to remark that laughter is a new species of refutation.
1212  Gorg|              any one accused you in a law-court,—there you would stand,
1213  Gorg|        delivered from the sea, or the law-courts, or any other devourer;—
1214  Gorg|       reversal of the position of the lawyer and the philosopher in the
1215  Gorg|              tribe of politicians and lawyers, and be too much for them.~
1216  Gorg|               to himself. He is their leader and not their follower,
1217  Gorg|             him. For men expect their leaders to be better and wiser than
1218  Gorg|          Polus laughs outright, which leads Socrates to remark that
1219  Gorg|               Gorgias, that Polus has learnt how to make a speech, but
1220  Gorg|        remember that it is based on a legendary belief. The art of making
1221  Gorg|            they seem to him to follow legitimately from the premises. Thus
1222  Gorg|              time? They had boundless leisure and the faculty of discoursing,
1223  Gorg|             serious purpose, the poet lends wings to his fancy and exhibits
1224  Gorg|      character, and becoming a man of liberal education, and him who neglects
1225  Gorg|         though he is the civilizer or liberator of half a continent, he
1226  Gorg|            yet arisen respecting the ‘liberty of prophesying;’ and Plato
1227  Gorg|        utterances have any healing or life-giving influence on the minds of
1228  Gorg|            doings of other men in his lifetime; him Rhadamanthus sends
1229  Gorg|           mind. But whether these new lights are true or only suggestive,
1230  Gorg|             too, Gorgias, should have liked to continue the argument
1231  Gorg|             the dead body; and if his limbs were broken or misshapen
1232  Gorg|            the necessity of a further limitation, and he now defines rhetoric
1233  Gorg|                but the use of this is limited, and may be easily exaggerated.
1234  Gorg|               when he has reached the limits of human knowledge; or,
1235  Gorg|             philosopher, is that your line?~CALLICLES: Certainly.~SOCRATES:
1236  Gorg|            deceitfully by the help of lines, and colours, and enamels,
1237  Gorg|       containing under a human skin a lion and a many-headed monster (
1238  Gorg|              and tame them like young lions,— charming them with the
1239  Gorg|           holes must be large for the liquid to escape.~CALLICLES: Certainly.~
1240  Gorg|              others filled with other liquids, and the streams which fill
1241  Gorg|               but when a grown-up man lisps or studies philosophy, I
1242  Gorg|           only exception. To make the list complete, the mathematical
1243  Gorg|               of the question, and he listens to the paradoxes, as they
1244  Gorg|              opportunity to enter the lists. He is said to be the author
1245  Gorg|            than in the Phaedo, on the literal truth of the myth, but only
1246  Gorg|              effect is gained by many literary and conversational devices,
1247  Gorg|              as rather to destroy the liveliness and consistency of the picture.
1248  Gorg|             are presented in the most lively and graphic manner, but
1249  Gorg|             the first makes admirable loaves, the second excellent dishes,
1250  Gorg|        politicians of their time, but Locke, Hume, Adam Smith, Bentham,
1251  Gorg|           places before himself these lofty aims has undertaken a task
1252  Gorg|           blame; for he would keep us loitering in the Agora.~CHAEREPHON:
1253  Gorg|           them and to satisfy all his longings. And this I affirm to be
1254  Gorg|            opinion of other men to be lords over him?—must not he be
1255  Gorg|               has only to compare the lot of the successful tyrant
1256  Gorg|            the present consequence of lowering and degrading the soul.
1257  Gorg|                Under the figure there lurks a real thought, which, expressed
1258  Gorg|              of the tyrant drowned in luxurious enjoyment. Neither is he
1259  Gorg|             is a parody of the orator Lysias; the rival speech of Socrates
1260  Gorg|          brother of Perdiccas king of Macedon—and he, by every species
1261  Gorg|             would rather be any other Macedonian than Archelaus!~SOCRATES:
1262  Gorg|          greatest criminal of all the Macedonians, he may be supposed to be
1263  Gorg|            forgive them, not from any magnanimity or charity, but because
1264  Gorg|           souls in a future life. The magnificent myth in the Phaedrus treats
1265  Gorg|               arts to the dishonoured maiden, and of the tyrant to the
1266  Gorg|             of those arts which works mainly by the use of words, and
1267  Gorg|                not by him, but by the maintainer of the identity of pleasure
1268  Gorg|         vulgar class, he consistently maintains that might is right. His
1269  Gorg|            should be employed for the maintenance of the right only. The revelation
1270  Gorg|              out into the meadow, the majestic figures of the judges sitting
1271  Gorg|              life is represented. The majesty and power of the whole passage—
1272  Gorg|          because of its believing and make-believe nature—a vessel (An untranslatable
1273  Gorg|               I conceive, is that the makers of laws are the majority
1274  Gorg|              the notion that he was a malefactor.~CALLICLES: Well, but how
1275  Gorg|           State treats any of them as malefactors, I observe that there is
1276  Gorg|             before he has grown up to manhood will never know the world.
1277  Gorg|             and act what you call the manly part of speaking in the
1278  Gorg|               order and sequence. The mantle of Schleiermacher has descended
1279  Gorg|               human skin a lion and a many-headed monster (Republic): the
1280  Gorg|           that Miltiades, the hero of Marathon, should be thrown into the
1281  Gorg|               the busy centre and the market-place, in which, as the poet says,
1282  Gorg|            but of their own free will—marks a close and perhaps designed
1283  Gorg|           like them; their ‘minds are married in conjunction;’ they ‘bear
1284  Gorg|        SOCRATES: That would surely be marvellous and absurd?~CALLICLES: Very.~
1285  Gorg|           mingle in an indiscriminate mass. And now I have told you
1286  Gorg|         modern language as a cynic or materialist, a lover of power and also
1287  Gorg|           make the list complete, the mathematical figure of the number of
1288  Gorg|             for righteousness’ sake.’—Matt.~The words of Socrates are
1289  Gorg|             are the good rhetoricians meanly regarded in states, under
1290  Gorg|             political principle: such meannesses, into which men too often
1291  Gorg|           Politics with him are not a mechanism for seeming what he is not,
1292  Gorg|           been any the better for the medical skill of either of us, then,
1293  Gorg|             the beaten track in their meditations on the ‘last things,’ have
1294  Gorg|             or at any other political meeting?—if you have the power of
1295  Gorg|               with the composition of melodies?~GORGIAS: It is.~SOCRATES:
1296  Gorg|            the testimony of Xenophon (Mem.), is introduced. He is
1297  Gorg|               the Apology, nor in the Memorabilia of Xenophon, does Socrates
1298  Gorg|             enter into the hearts and memories of men. He has not only
1299  Gorg|              the body are servile and menial and illiberal; and gymnastic
1300  Gorg|               that Socrates expressly mentions the duty of imparting the
1301  Gorg|             others is by the ancients merged in politics. Both in Plato
1302  Gorg|               to criticise the broken metaphors of Plato, if the effect
1303  Gorg|               truth and distinctness. Metaphysical conceptions easily pass
1304  Gorg|               who has not ‘passed his metaphysics’ before he has grown up
1305  Gorg|             in the Theaetetus, of the midwifery of Socrates, is perhaps
1306  Gorg|            the many; he is a thousand miles away from the questions
1307  Gorg|            health, and medicine would mingle in an indiscriminate mass.
1308  Gorg|            The language of philosophy mingles with that of mythology;
1309  Gorg|                While rank corruption, mining all within, Infects unseen.’~
1310  Gorg|         improvement of that which was ministered to, whether body or soul?~
1311  Gorg|         theory of knowledge.~d. A few minor points still remain to be
1312  Gorg|             crowd of persons in a few minutes. And there is another point
1313  Gorg|              think may arise out of a misapprehension of his own. The rhetorician
1314  Gorg|             But then, as Plato rather mischievously adds, ‘Nobody knows what
1315  Gorg|               you will suffer for the misdeeds of your predecessors. The
1316  Gorg|               the attempt, for of two miserables one cannot be the happier,
1317  Gorg|             Never mind, Socrates; the misfortune of which I have been the
1318  Gorg|             or order, not disorder or misrule, my friend. But although
1319  Gorg|             informed that he has just missed an exhibition of Gorgias,
1320  Gorg|              his limbs were broken or misshapen when he was alive, the same
1321  Gorg|               they ought to be, their mistresses. Now, when I say that all
1322  Gorg|              be right, and I may have misunderstood your meaning. You say that
1323  Gorg|               the philosopher, to the mob of politicians: (12) the
1324  Gorg|              is at once an orrery, or model of the heavens, and a picture
1325  Gorg|              the happiest and holiest moments of life, of the noblest
1326  Gorg|             length, becomes prosy and monotonous. In theology and philosophy
1327  Gorg|              a lion and a many-headed monster (Republic): the great beast,
1328  Gorg|             POLUS: That, Socrates, is monstrous and absurd.~SOCRATES: Good
1329  Gorg|         foresee—two or three weeks or months are granted to him in which
1330  Gorg|            Law is the king of all, of mortals as well as of immortals;’~
1331  Gorg|          astronomy tells us about the motions of the stars and sun and
1332  Gorg|             might is right. His great motive of action is political ambition;
1333  Gorg|            Pet.~And the Sermon on the Mount—~‘Blessed are they that
1334  Gorg|             he would bury you under a mountain of words, declaring and
1335  Gorg|               the world in which they moved. The philosopher is naturally
1336  Gorg|             dizzy brain, and might be murdered, robbed, boxed on the ears
1337  Gorg|               species of crime, first murdering his uncle and then his cousin
1338  Gorg|             worse than the discord of musical sounds.~Callicles answers,
1339  Gorg|              rhetoricians, but poets, musicians, and other artists, the
1340  Gorg|              when detected is racked, mutilated, has his eyes burned out,
1341  Gorg|           captain, the pilot, and the mutinous sailors (Republic), in which
1342  Gorg|               not always terminate in mutual edification, or in the definition
1343  Gorg|            invitation.~CALLICLES: The Mysian, Socrates, or what you please.
1344  Gorg|              the box on the ears; the nakedness of the souls and of the
1345      | namely
1346  Gorg|             Prometheus and Epimetheus narrated in his rhetorical manner
1347  Gorg|                seeks to reconcile the national interests with those of
1348  Gorg|      simplicity, picturesqueness, the naturalness of the occasion, and the
1349  Gorg|             the son of Androtion, and Nausicydes of the deme of Cholarges,
1350  Gorg|               borne up when the waves nearer the shore are threatening
1351  Gorg|               such punishment is only negative, and supplies no principle
1352  Gorg|               docks and harbours, but neglected virtue and justice. And
1353  Gorg|        liberal education, and him who neglects philosophy I regard as an
1354  Gorg|             man to have more than his neighbours; for knowing their own inferiority,
1355  Gorg|              unrestrained, and in the never-ending desire satisfy them leading
1356  Gorg|              recurring in reviews and newspapers, and still oftener in private
1357  Gorg|              summon Nicias the son of Niceratus, and let his brothers, who
1358  Gorg|             But leave to others these niceties,’~whether they are to be
1359  Gorg|            and partly corrects in the Nicomachean Ethics. Traces of a ‘robust
1360  Gorg|             to be natural justice and nobility. To this however the many
1361  Gorg|           will come to no harm if you nobly resign yourself into the
1362  Gorg|                Instead of a great and nobly-executed subject, perfect in every
1363  Gorg|             if a rabble of slaves and nondescripts, who are of no use except
1364  Gorg|            great teachers, and we may note in passing the objections
1365  Gorg|               a bad use of rhetoric I noted with surprise the inconsistency
1366  Gorg|             of human life. It will be noticed by an attentive reader that
1367  Gorg|      difference between them is worth noticing: Socrates is and is not
1368  Gorg|              existence. Might not the novelist, too, make an ideal, or
1369  Gorg|           Scythians? (not to speak of numberless other examples). Nay, but
1370  Gorg|              masters, and he is their obedient servant. The true politician,
1371  Gorg|            what I say, if you have no objection, I should like to tell you
1372  Gorg|          figures derived from visible objects. If these figures are suggestive
1373  Gorg|         argument to an end, and shall oblige my friend Gorgias.~SOCRATES:
1374  Gorg|               every sort of wrong and obloquy.~Plato, like other philosophers,
1375  Gorg|             retaliation. (Compare the obscure verse of Proverbs, ‘Therefore
1376  Gorg|            nought,’ etc.), are always obscuring our sense of truth and right.
1377  Gorg|          other. But this, as Socrates observes, is a return to the old
1378  Gorg|          devices can a man succeed in obtaining the two advantages, the
1379  Gorg|         necessary to enlarge upon the obvious fact that Plato is a dramatic
1380  Gorg|              is not a physician must, obviously, be ignorant of what the
1381  Gorg|               to them, too, the world occasionally speaks of the consequences
1382  Gorg|           greater part of their lives occupied an inconsiderable space
1383  Gorg|               the throne which he now occupies, he being only the son of
1384  Gorg|        usurpation of Archelaus, which occurred in the year 413; and still
1385  Gorg|            the myth, or rather fable, occurring in the Statesman, in which
1386  Gorg|               was proportioned to the offence. Moral evil would then be
1387  Gorg|            the world below laden with offences is the worst of evils. In
1388  Gorg|             are willing to punish the offender (compare Republic). But
1389  Gorg|              the giver of that famous offering which is at Delphi; summon,
1390  Gorg|             and newspapers, and still oftener in private conversation.~
1391  Gorg|          imprisoning whom he pleased, Oh, no!~SOCRATES: Justly or
1392  Gorg|          transition from timocracy to oligarchy: the sun, which is to the
1393  Gorg|              been really made to the ‘omniscient’ Hippias, according to the
1394  Gorg|              pithanon te kai pistikon onomase pithon.), and the ignorant
1395  Gorg|              Socrates’ friends in the opening of the Phaedo are described
1396  Gorg|              men to let the physician operate with knife or searing iron,
1397  Gorg|           that there are two kinds of operations which have to do with the
1398  Gorg|               be at odds with me, and oppose me, rather than that I myself
1399  Gorg|             the New Testament, or the oracles of the Delphian God; they
1400  Gorg|            when you are making a long oration, and refusing to answer
1401  Gorg|              there are two species of oratory; the one a flattery, another
1402  Gorg|          communion and friendship and orderliness and temperance and justice
1403  Gorg|               has already received my orders to take from them: in the
1404  Gorg|            tenderer way than they are ordinarily felt, so as to awaken the
1405  Gorg|            out of disorder; who first organizes and then administers the
1406  Gorg|            else in Plato. There is an Oriental, or rather an Egyptian element
1407  Gorg|          experimental, and have their origin in experience, for experience
1408  Gorg|         William W. Hunter, Preface to Orissa.)~Fourth Thesis:—~To be
1409  Gorg|              the mysteries and to the Orphic modes of worship. To a certain
1410  Gorg|             to this: it is at once an orrery, or model of the heavens,
1411  Gorg|           persons whom he was serving ostracize him, in order that they
1412      | ours
1413  Gorg|              power of another like an outlaw to whom any one may do what
1414  Gorg|         drawing out a little the main outlines of the building; but the
1415  Gorg|             two. At this Polus laughs outright, which leads Socrates to
1416  Gorg|             SOCRATES: And at the very outset, Gorgias, it was said that
1417  Gorg|            when he is standing on the outside of the intellectual world.
1418  Gorg|             friends, but they are not outspoken enough, and they are too
1419  Gorg|       qualities—knowledge, good-will, outspokenness, which are all possessed
1420  Gorg|               beat him. None of those over-refined natures ever come to any
1421  Gorg|         practice of Aeacus; and Minos overlooks them, holding a golden sceptre,
1422  Gorg|           Hebraized too much and have overvalued doing. But the habits and
1423  Gorg|      cautioning one another not to be overwise; you were afraid that too
1424  Gorg|               of the Greek dramatists owe their sublimity to their
1425  Gorg|            and therefore incontinent, owing to a bad memory and want
1426  Gorg|              them extend over several pages, appearing and reappearing
1427  Gorg|              oxen of Geryon and never paid for them.~This is the truth,
1428  Gorg|               and laws are slowly and painfully invented. A secular age
1429  Gorg|             POLUS: Nay, Socrates; the painfulness does not appear to me to
1430  Gorg|             little or no speaking; in painting, and statuary, and many
1431  Gorg|          lovers, and they have both a pair of loves; the beloved of
1432  Gorg|       rhetoric or poetry, are so many pairs of opposites, which in Plato
1433  Gorg|              have been trained in the palestra and to be a skilful boxer,—
1434  Gorg|               more than a pugilist or pancratiast or other master of fence;—
1435  Gorg|             the statesmen of old, who pandered to the vices of the citizens,
1436  Gorg|       CALLICLES: They are much upon a par, I think, in that respect.~
1437  Gorg|         become in this. It includes a Paradiso, Purgatorio, and Inferno,
1438  Gorg|              are of this impotent and paralytic sort; and the author of
1439  Gorg|             told you that these are a parcel of cooks who make men fat
1440  Gorg|              may hear a voice as of a parent consoling us. In religious
1441  Gorg|              the Phaedrus, which is a parody of the orator Lysias; the
1442  Gorg|              and of the tyrant to the parricide, who ‘beats his father,
1443  Gorg|             praises the opposite from partiality to himself, and because
1444  Gorg|           himself with the people, he partially recognizes the truth of
1445  Gorg|               sediment of the coarser particles which drop from the world
1446  Gorg|            and begin to quarrel, both parties conceiving that their opponents
1447  Gorg|         judgment in the meadow at the parting of the ways, whence the
1448  Gorg|        majesty and power of the whole passage—especially of what may be
1449  Gorg|       politician of his age. In other passages, especially in the Apology,
1450  Gorg|              was just now saying, the passenger and his wife and children
1451  Gorg|               whether he has done his passengers any good in saving them
1452  Gorg|               laissez faire’ nor the ‘paternal government’ principle; but
1453  Gorg|               pleasures or pains, and patiently to endure when he ought;
1454  Gorg|              Much less will the dying patriot be dreaming of the praises
1455  Gorg|              other ‘city of which the pattern is in heaven’ (Republic).~
1456  Gorg|       illustration is afforded by the pauper and criminal classes, who
1457  Gorg|               by us. When we increase pauperism by almsgiving; when we tie
1458  Gorg|               stinging and stingless (paupers and thieves) in the Eighth
1459  Gorg|               filling them, and if he pauses for a moment, he is in an
1460  Gorg|              rhetoric, I shall die in peace. For death is no evil, but
1461  Gorg|              explanation of Socrates’ peculiarities also. He is always repeating
1462  Gorg|        Alcibiades and philosophy. The peculiarity of Callicles is that he
1463  Gorg|             prejudice engendered by a pecuniary or party interest in certain
1464  Gorg|            you shall ask these little peddling questions, since Gorgias
1465  Gorg|             Fox, or Canning or Sir R. Peel, are the real politicians
1466  Gorg|         half-blind and deaf, but with penetrating eye and quick ear, is ready
1467  Gorg|            make this remark because I perceive that you and I have a common
1468  Gorg|            and you, in your ingenuity perceiving the advantage to be thereby
1469  Gorg|              at the risk of their own perdition. But if you suppose that
1470  Gorg|           pious, and has attained the perfection of goodness and therefore
1471  Gorg|           colander which is similarly perforated. The colander, as my informer
1472  Gorg|               the harp-player? Did he perform with any view to the good
1473  Gorg|             not still be happy in the performance of an action which was attended
1474  Gorg|           near any one of them in his performances.~SOCRATES: O, my dear friend,
1475  Gorg|            man of the present day who performs his public duties at all.’
1476  Gorg|              were written at the same period of Plato’s life. For the
1477  Gorg|             that they should unjustly perish,’—so the tale runs. But
1478  Gorg|               the prints and scars of perjuries and crimes with which each
1479  Gorg|              is; he sees the scars of perjury and iniquity, and sends
1480  Gorg|              For the assertion of the permanence of good is only based on
1481  Gorg|               be the victims than the perpetrators of an act of treachery or
1482  Gorg|                For true pleasure is a perpetual stream, flowing in and flowing
1483  Gorg|              And not to suffer, is to perpetuate the evil?~POLUS: Yes.~SOCRATES:
1484  Gorg|              I corrupt young men, and perplex their minds, or that I speak
1485  Gorg|              any one charges him with perplexing them, or with reviling their
1486  Gorg|            Callicles is in a state of perplexity and uncertainty. And yet
1487  Gorg|             Blessed are they that are persecuted for righteousness’ sake.’—
1488  Gorg|             is unwilling to incur the persecution and enmity which political
1489  Gorg|                when their enemies and persecutors will be proportionably tormented.
1490  Gorg|              And I must beg of you to persevere, that the true rule of human
1491  Gorg|               this persuasion?—is the persevering retort: You could not describe
1492  Gorg|                that solemn and august personage—what are her aspirations?
1493  Gorg|              travel, and mythological personages are associated with human
1494  Gorg|             the Gorgias: the argument personified as veiling her face (Republic),
1495  Gorg|         chosen, for he can speak more persuasively to the multitude than any
1496  Gorg|         compared favourably with that perversion of Christian doctrine which
1497  Gorg|           aggression, and others have perverted their instructions, and
1498  Gorg|               than for evil doing.’—1 Pet.~And the Sermon on the Mount—~‘
1499  Gorg|               our tomb (sema (compare Phaedr.)), and that the part of
1500  Gorg|            circumstances, simplicity, picturesqueness, the naturalness of the
1501  Gorg|             with his naked soul shall pierce into the other naked souls;
1502  Gorg|             an armour which cannot be pierced by them. The weapons of