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501 Ion| attribute to you in your praises of Homer inspiration, and 502 Ion| as he says,~‘Made with Pramnian wine; and she grated cheese 503 Ion| described by Euthydemus as ‘very precise about the exact words of 504 Ion| interpreters of interpreters?~ION: Precisely.~SOCRATES: I wish you would 505 Ion| are inspired. Which do you prefer to be thought, dishonest 506 Ion| or panic-stricken in the presence of more than twenty thousand 507 Ion| say that you would exclude pretty much the subjects of the 508 Ion| of Andromache, Hecuba, or Priam,—are you in your right mind? 509 Ion| themselves who utter these priceless words in a state of unconsciousness, 510 Ion| and of Homer, who is the prince of them. In the course of 511 Ion| other? But let me ask a prior question: You admit that 512 Ion| ION: I obtained the first prize of all, Socrates.~SOCRATES: 513 Ion| perceive, Ion; and I will proceed to explain to you what I 514 Ion| SOCRATES: I often envy the profession of a rhapsode, Ion; for 515 Ion| with me, and after all your professions of knowing many glorious 516 Ion| saying, in falsifying your promise that you would exhibit Homer, 517 Ion| things about Homer, and promises that you would exhibit them, 518 Ion| chariot-driving, or of medicine, or of prophecy, or of navigation—will he, 519 Ion| judged by the prophet and prophetic art’; and you will see how 520 Ion| also uses diviners and holy prophets, in order that we who hear 521 Ion| general, and honour him, if he prove himself worthy? Were not 522 Ion| to his own gains.~The old quarrel between philosophy and poetry, 523 Ion| Corybantian revellers too have a quick perception of that strain 524 Ion| is performing;—his eyes rain tears and his hair stands 525 Ion| description of the battle near the rampart, where he says:—~‘As they 526 Ion| writings—anybody taken at random from the crowd is a better 527 Ion| set in the horn of ox that ranges in the fields, rushes along 528 Ion| ION: No.~SOCRATES: At any rate he will know what a general 529 | rather 530 Ion| carrying death among the ravenous fishes (Il.),’—~will the 531 Ion| art’; and you will see how readily and truly I shall answer 532 Ion| general. ‘No, that is not the real reason; there are many examples 533 Ion| Certainly, Socrates; and you really ought to hear how exquisitely 534 Ion| rhapsode belongs to the realm of imitation and of opinion: 535 Ion| rings which, as I am saying, receive the power of the original 536 Ion| upon the audience in the recitation of some striking passage, 537 Ion| awake when Homer is being recited, but is apt to go to sleep 538 Ion| to say; but when any one recites a strain of Homer you wake 539 Ion| the lines which you were reciting from Homer, you or the charioteer?~ 540 Ion| incapable of understanding them. Reflections of this kind may have been 541 Ion| I see that you will not refuse to acquaint me with them.~ 542 Ion| general. Would he rather be regarded as inspired or dishonest?’ 543 Ion| and voice; and slacken the rein. And when you are at the 544 Ion| anything in Homer. But, rejoins Socrates, when Homer speaks 545 Ion| select for me passages which relate to the rhapsode and the 546 Ion| placed an onion which gives a relish to drink (Il.).’~Now would 547 Ion| to hear how exquisitely I render Homer. I think that the 548 Ion| will not, even after my repeated entreaties, explain to me 549 Ion| Homer; and when any one repeats the words of another poet 550 Ion| appointed a general?’ Ion replies that he is a foreigner, 551 Ion| you answer?~ION: I should reply, by my skill as a horseman.~ 552 Ion| sophists; and this family resemblance may be traced in the Ion. 553 Ion| panting; nor had he yet resigned the strife, for he bent 554 Ion| treated with every sort of respect (Republic), but not allowed 555 Ion| earnest, in which no definite result is obtained, but some Socratic 556 Ion| contained in his art of rhetoric. Even more than the sophist 557 Ion| whether these lines are rightly expressed or not?~ION: Clearly, 558 Ion| milk and honey from the rivers when they are under the 559 Ion| head, of which nobody has robbed him, appears weeping or 560 Ion| merely learn his words by rote, is a thing greatly to be 561 Ion| and is at last about to run away in the disguise of 562 Ion| that ranges in the fields, rushes along carrying death among 563 Ion| description of Achilles rushing at Hector, or the sorrows 564 Ion| of themselves. They are sacred persons, ‘winged and holy 565 Ion| to say of a man who at a sacrifice or festival, when he is 566 Ion| Panopeus, or of Theodorus the Samian, or of any individual sculptor; 567 Ion| of the worst of poets he sang the best of songs? Am I 568 Ion| no right judgment of the sayings and doings of that art?~ 569 Ion| Troy or whatever may be the scene of the poem?~ION: That proof 570 Ion| belonged to the allegorical school of interpreters. The circumstance 571 Ion| Samian, or of any individual sculptor; but when the works of sculptors 572 Ion| sculptor; but when the works of sculptors in general were produced, 573 Ion| pilot what the ruler of a sea-tossed vessel ought to say?~ION: 574 | seems 575 Ion| much better than I do, Ion, select for me passages which relate 576 Ion| right also. And as I have selected from the Iliad and Odyssee 577 Ion| I am conscious in my own self, and the world agrees with 578 Ion| an element of limitation. Sense or passion are too much 579 Ion| inspired and is out of his senses, and the mind is no longer 580 Ion| Republic leads to their final separation, is already working in the 581 Ion| the Ephesians, are the servants and soldiers of Athens, 582 Ion| a leaden plummet, which, set in the horn of ox that ranges 583 Ion| the Gods by whom they are severally possessed. Was not this 584 Ion| himself into a variety of shapes, and is at last about to 585 Ion| Stesimbrotus of Thasos, seems to show that, like them, he belonged 586 Ion| SOCRATES: Then upon your own showing the rhapsode, and the art 587 Ion| although aliens, after they had shown their merit. And will they 588 Ion| in the Republic, Socrates shows a sympathy with the poetic 589 Ion| your limbs underneath are shrouded in night; and the voice 590 Ion| physician what the ruler of a sick man ought to say?~ION: He 591 Ion| genuineness. The plan is simple; the dramatic interest consists 592 Ion| flute-players or harp-players or singers to the harp or rhapsodes 593 Ion| the themes of which Homer sings?~ION: Very true, Socrates.~ 594 Ion| with whip and voice; and slacken the rein. And when you are 595 Ion| people at once, and at last slip away from me in the disguise 596 Ion| strife, for he bent back and smote the bird which carried him 597 Ion| came to them an omen: a soaring eagle, holding back the 598 Ion| does he not speak of human society and of intercourse of men, 599 Ion| result is obtained, but some Socratic or Platonic truths are allowed 600 Ion| contradiction is to be solved. The solution given by Socrates is as 601 Ion| this contradiction is to be solved. The solution given by Socrates 602 Ion| than the rest, there is somebody who can judge which of them 603 | something 604 | sometimes 605 Ion| ought to say in order to soothe the infuriated cows?~ION: 606 Ion| himself as the original sophists; and this family resemblance 607 Ion| rushing at Hector, or the sorrows of Andromache, Hecuba, or 608 Ion| ION: O yes; and of all sorts of musical performers.~SOCRATES: 609 Ion| of merit are always being sought after, is he not at once 610 Ion| these the God sways the souls of men in any direction 611 Ion| need a general; and you and Sparta are not likely to have me, 612 Ion| foreigner, and the Athenians and Spartans will not appoint a foreigner 613 Ion| similar effects on most of the spectators?~ION: Only too well; for 614 Ion| But he will know what a spinning-woman ought to say about the working 615 Ion| said to be unconscious, or spontaneous, or a gift of nature: that ‘ 616 Ion| heaven, and an evil mist is spread abroad (Od.).’~And there 617 Ion| down upon them from the stage, and behold the various 618 Ion| pity, wonder, sternness, stamped upon their countenances 619 Ion| well-ordered state. Like the Statesmen in the Meno, they have a 620 Ion| inability to follow the steps of the argument. And in 621 Ion| emotions of pity, wonder, sternness, stamped upon their countenances 622 Ion| modern times. The greatest strength is observed to have an element 623 Ion| Socrates, I must say that, strictly speaking, he is not in his 624 Ion| had he yet resigned the strife, for he bent back and smote 625 Ion| the poem?~ION: That proof strikes home to me, Socrates. For 626 Ion| competitors—and did you succeed?~ION: I obtained the first 627 Ion| the only, and perhaps a sufficient, proof of its genuineness. 628 Ion| Dialogue may possibly have been suggested by the passage of Xenophon’ 629 Ion| darkness of Erebus, and the sun has perished out of heaven, 630 Ion| surely, he who knows the superior ought to know the inferior 631 Ion| beauty of this little work supply the only, and perhaps a 632 Ion| declares himself to have surpassed Metrodorus of Lampsacus 633 Ion| at a festival when he is surrounded by his friends and there 634 Ion| them derive their power of suspension from the original stone. 635 Ion| dishonest?’ Ion, who has no suspicion of the irony of Socrates, 636 Ion| Through all these the God sways the souls of men in any 637 Ion| Republic, Socrates shows a sympathy with the poetic nature. 638 Ion| of all; and therefore God takes away the minds of poets, 639 Ion| frankly confess that at the tale of pity my eyes are filled 640 Ion| love to hear you wise men talk.~SOCRATES: O that we were 641 Ion| huge bloody dragon in his talons, still living and panting; 642 Ion| which the God intended to teach when by the mouth of the 643 Ion| authenticated by any early external testimony. The grace and beauty of 644 Ion| discourse of Olympus or Thamyras or Orpheus, or Phemius the 645 Ion| example, the passage in which Theoclymenus the prophet of the house 646 Ion| the son of Panopeus, or of Theodorus the Samian, or of any individual 647 Ion| The elements of a true theory of poetry are contained 648 | therefore 649 Ion| world agrees with me in thinking that I do speak better and 650 | those 651 | though 652 Ion| Which do you prefer to be thought, dishonest or inspired?~ 653 Ion| presence of more than twenty thousand friendly faces, when there 654 Ion| stands on end and my heart throbs.~SOCRATES: Well, Ion, and 655 | Thus 656 Ion| know the good when the same topic is being discussed.~ION: 657 Ion| family resemblance may be traced in the Ion. The rhapsode 658 Ion| argument; like Proteus, he transforms himself into a variety of 659 Ion| irony of Socrates and the transparent vanity and childlike enthusiasm 660 Ion| Phaedr.), and should be treated with every sort of respect ( 661 Ion| Ion has long been playing tricks with the argument; like 662 Ion| what a very commonplace and trivial thing is this which I have 663 Ion| and there is nothing to trouble him. Ion is confident that 664 Ion| they are in Ithaca or in Troy or whatever may be the scene 665 Ion| man, who only speak the truth. For consider what a very 666 Ion| bids him be careful of the turn at the horserace in honour 667 Ion| manner of ways, twisting and turning, and, like Proteus, become 668 Ion| the presence of more than twenty thousand friendly faces, 669 Ion| you go all manner of ways, twisting and turning, and, like Proteus, 670 Ion| he is powerless and is unable to utter his oracles. Many 671 Ion| Genius is often said to be unconscious, or spontaneous, or a gift 672 Ion| beautiful words about Homer unconsciously under his inspiring influence, 673 Ion| priceless words in a state of unconsciousness, but that God himself is 674 Ion| dancers and masters and under-masters of choruses, who are suspended, 675 Ion| your faces and your limbs underneath are shrouded in night; and 676 Ion| reason would be incapable of understanding them. Reflections of this 677 Ion| maintains, however, that he understands the art of the general as 678 Ion| you,—whether this holds universally? Must the same art have 679 | unless 680 Ion| good and bad, skilled and unskilled, and of the gods conversing 681 Ion| to the left of them, and urge the horse on the right hand 682 Ion| absolutely no ideas of the least value, when any one speaks of 683 Ion| Socrates and the transparent vanity and childlike enthusiasm 684 Ion| transforms himself into a variety of shapes, and is at last 685 Ion| the stage, and behold the various emotions of pity, wonder, 686 Ion| another. Thus there is a vast chain of dancers and masters 687 Ion| good at any other kind of verse: for not by art does the 688 Ion| the ruler of a sea-tossed vessel ought to say?~ION: No; the 689 Ion| wet with tears. And the vestibule is full, and the court is 690 Ion| now you go all manner of ways, twisting and turning, and, 691 Ion| for you have always to wear fine clothes, and to look 692 Ion| has robbed him, appears weeping or panic-stricken in the 693 Ion| Socrates, Ion.~SOCRATES: Welcome, Ion. Are you from your 694 Ion| not allowed to live in a well-ordered state. Like the Statesmen 695 Ion| so that the nave of the well-wrought wheel may not even seem 696 Ion| forth, and your cheeks are wet with tears. And the vestibule 697 | whatever 698 Ion| nave of the well-wrought wheel may not even seem to touch 699 | whereas 700 Ion| horse on the right hand with whip and voice; and slacken the 701 | whoever 702 Ion| in discussions about the wholesomeness of food, when many persons 703 | whose 704 Ion| he brightens up and is wide awake when Homer is being 705 Ion| afar on the wings of the wind (Il.).’~These are the sort 706 Ion| says,~‘Made with Pramnian wine; and she grated cheese of 707 Ion| Muses; they, like the bees, winging their way from flower to 708 Ion| cry, was borne afar on the wings of the wind (Il.).’~These 709 Ion| sophist professes to have all wisdom, which is contained in his 710 | within 711 | without 712 Ion| be, and about him only, woke up and was attentive and 713 Ion| know what a man and what a woman ought to say, and what a 714 Ion| various emotions of pity, wonder, sternness, stamped upon 715 Ion| say about the working of wool?~ION: No.~SOCRATES: At any 716 Ion| individual sculptor; but when the works of sculptors in general 717 Ion| him, if he prove himself worthy? Were not the Ephesians 718 Ion| described as giving to the wounded Machaon a posset, as he 719 Ion| Melampus says to the suitors:—~‘Wretched men! what is happening to 720 Ion| of the finest poems ever written, simply an invention of 721 Ion| is no one despoiling or wronging him;—is he in his right 722 Ion| of what I am saying: he wrote nothing that any one would 723 Ion| suggested by the passage of Xenophon’s Memorabilia in which the