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501 Ion| attribute to you in your praises of Homer inspiration, and
502 Ion| as he says,~‘Made with Pramnian wine; and she grated cheese
503 Ion| described by Euthydemus as ‘very precise about the exact words of
504 Ion| interpreters of interpreters?~ION: Precisely.~SOCRATES: I wish you would
505 Ion| are inspired. Which do you prefer to be thought, dishonest
506 Ion| or panic-stricken in the presence of more than twenty thousand
507 Ion| say that you would exclude pretty much the subjects of the
508 Ion| of Andromache, Hecuba, or Priam,—are you in your right mind?
509 Ion| themselves who utter these priceless words in a state of unconsciousness,
510 Ion| and of Homer, who is the prince of them. In the course of
511 Ion| other? But let me ask a prior question: You admit that
512 Ion| ION: I obtained the first prize of all, Socrates.~SOCRATES:
513 Ion| perceive, Ion; and I will proceed to explain to you what I
514 Ion| SOCRATES: I often envy the profession of a rhapsode, Ion; for
515 Ion| with me, and after all your professions of knowing many glorious
516 Ion| saying, in falsifying your promise that you would exhibit Homer,
517 Ion| things about Homer, and promises that you would exhibit them,
518 Ion| chariot-driving, or of medicine, or of prophecy, or of navigation—will he,
519 Ion| judged by the prophet and prophetic art’; and you will see how
520 Ion| also uses diviners and holy prophets, in order that we who hear
521 Ion| general, and honour him, if he prove himself worthy? Were not
522 Ion| to his own gains.~The old quarrel between philosophy and poetry,
523 Ion| Corybantian revellers too have a quick perception of that strain
524 Ion| is performing;—his eyes rain tears and his hair stands
525 Ion| description of the battle near the rampart, where he says:—~‘As they
526 Ion| writings—anybody taken at random from the crowd is a better
527 Ion| set in the horn of ox that ranges in the fields, rushes along
528 Ion| ION: No.~SOCRATES: At any rate he will know what a general
529 | rather
530 Ion| carrying death among the ravenous fishes (Il.),’—~will the
531 Ion| art’; and you will see how readily and truly I shall answer
532 Ion| general. ‘No, that is not the real reason; there are many examples
533 Ion| Certainly, Socrates; and you really ought to hear how exquisitely
534 Ion| rhapsode belongs to the realm of imitation and of opinion:
535 Ion| rings which, as I am saying, receive the power of the original
536 Ion| upon the audience in the recitation of some striking passage,
537 Ion| awake when Homer is being recited, but is apt to go to sleep
538 Ion| to say; but when any one recites a strain of Homer you wake
539 Ion| the lines which you were reciting from Homer, you or the charioteer?~
540 Ion| incapable of understanding them. Reflections of this kind may have been
541 Ion| I see that you will not refuse to acquaint me with them.~
542 Ion| general. Would he rather be regarded as inspired or dishonest?’
543 Ion| and voice; and slacken the rein. And when you are at the
544 Ion| anything in Homer. But, rejoins Socrates, when Homer speaks
545 Ion| select for me passages which relate to the rhapsode and the
546 Ion| placed an onion which gives a relish to drink (Il.).’~Now would
547 Ion| to hear how exquisitely I render Homer. I think that the
548 Ion| will not, even after my repeated entreaties, explain to me
549 Ion| Homer; and when any one repeats the words of another poet
550 Ion| appointed a general?’ Ion replies that he is a foreigner,
551 Ion| you answer?~ION: I should reply, by my skill as a horseman.~
552 Ion| sophists; and this family resemblance may be traced in the Ion.
553 Ion| panting; nor had he yet resigned the strife, for he bent
554 Ion| treated with every sort of respect (Republic), but not allowed
555 Ion| earnest, in which no definite result is obtained, but some Socratic
556 Ion| contained in his art of rhetoric. Even more than the sophist
557 Ion| whether these lines are rightly expressed or not?~ION: Clearly,
558 Ion| milk and honey from the rivers when they are under the
559 Ion| head, of which nobody has robbed him, appears weeping or
560 Ion| merely learn his words by rote, is a thing greatly to be
561 Ion| and is at last about to run away in the disguise of
562 Ion| that ranges in the fields, rushes along carrying death among
563 Ion| description of Achilles rushing at Hector, or the sorrows
564 Ion| of themselves. They are sacred persons, ‘winged and holy
565 Ion| to say of a man who at a sacrifice or festival, when he is
566 Ion| Panopeus, or of Theodorus the Samian, or of any individual sculptor;
567 Ion| of the worst of poets he sang the best of songs? Am I
568 Ion| no right judgment of the sayings and doings of that art?~
569 Ion| Troy or whatever may be the scene of the poem?~ION: That proof
570 Ion| belonged to the allegorical school of interpreters. The circumstance
571 Ion| Samian, or of any individual sculptor; but when the works of sculptors
572 Ion| sculptor; but when the works of sculptors in general were produced,
573 Ion| pilot what the ruler of a sea-tossed vessel ought to say?~ION:
574 | seems
575 Ion| much better than I do, Ion, select for me passages which relate
576 Ion| right also. And as I have selected from the Iliad and Odyssee
577 Ion| I am conscious in my own self, and the world agrees with
578 Ion| an element of limitation. Sense or passion are too much
579 Ion| inspired and is out of his senses, and the mind is no longer
580 Ion| Republic leads to their final separation, is already working in the
581 Ion| the Ephesians, are the servants and soldiers of Athens,
582 Ion| a leaden plummet, which, set in the horn of ox that ranges
583 Ion| the Gods by whom they are severally possessed. Was not this
584 Ion| himself into a variety of shapes, and is at last about to
585 Ion| Stesimbrotus of Thasos, seems to show that, like them, he belonged
586 Ion| SOCRATES: Then upon your own showing the rhapsode, and the art
587 Ion| although aliens, after they had shown their merit. And will they
588 Ion| in the Republic, Socrates shows a sympathy with the poetic
589 Ion| your limbs underneath are shrouded in night; and the voice
590 Ion| physician what the ruler of a sick man ought to say?~ION: He
591 Ion| genuineness. The plan is simple; the dramatic interest consists
592 Ion| flute-players or harp-players or singers to the harp or rhapsodes
593 Ion| the themes of which Homer sings?~ION: Very true, Socrates.~
594 Ion| with whip and voice; and slacken the rein. And when you are
595 Ion| people at once, and at last slip away from me in the disguise
596 Ion| strife, for he bent back and smote the bird which carried him
597 Ion| came to them an omen: a soaring eagle, holding back the
598 Ion| does he not speak of human society and of intercourse of men,
599 Ion| result is obtained, but some Socratic or Platonic truths are allowed
600 Ion| contradiction is to be solved. The solution given by Socrates is as
601 Ion| this contradiction is to be solved. The solution given by Socrates
602 Ion| than the rest, there is somebody who can judge which of them
603 | something
604 | sometimes
605 Ion| ought to say in order to soothe the infuriated cows?~ION:
606 Ion| himself as the original sophists; and this family resemblance
607 Ion| rushing at Hector, or the sorrows of Andromache, Hecuba, or
608 Ion| ION: O yes; and of all sorts of musical performers.~SOCRATES:
609 Ion| of merit are always being sought after, is he not at once
610 Ion| these the God sways the souls of men in any direction
611 Ion| need a general; and you and Sparta are not likely to have me,
612 Ion| foreigner, and the Athenians and Spartans will not appoint a foreigner
613 Ion| similar effects on most of the spectators?~ION: Only too well; for
614 Ion| But he will know what a spinning-woman ought to say about the working
615 Ion| said to be unconscious, or spontaneous, or a gift of nature: that ‘
616 Ion| heaven, and an evil mist is spread abroad (Od.).’~And there
617 Ion| down upon them from the stage, and behold the various
618 Ion| pity, wonder, sternness, stamped upon their countenances
619 Ion| well-ordered state. Like the Statesmen in the Meno, they have a
620 Ion| inability to follow the steps of the argument. And in
621 Ion| emotions of pity, wonder, sternness, stamped upon their countenances
622 Ion| modern times. The greatest strength is observed to have an element
623 Ion| Socrates, I must say that, strictly speaking, he is not in his
624 Ion| had he yet resigned the strife, for he bent back and smote
625 Ion| the poem?~ION: That proof strikes home to me, Socrates. For
626 Ion| competitors—and did you succeed?~ION: I obtained the first
627 Ion| the only, and perhaps a sufficient, proof of its genuineness.
628 Ion| Dialogue may possibly have been suggested by the passage of Xenophon’
629 Ion| darkness of Erebus, and the sun has perished out of heaven,
630 Ion| surely, he who knows the superior ought to know the inferior
631 Ion| beauty of this little work supply the only, and perhaps a
632 Ion| declares himself to have surpassed Metrodorus of Lampsacus
633 Ion| at a festival when he is surrounded by his friends and there
634 Ion| them derive their power of suspension from the original stone.
635 Ion| dishonest?’ Ion, who has no suspicion of the irony of Socrates,
636 Ion| Through all these the God sways the souls of men in any
637 Ion| Republic, Socrates shows a sympathy with the poetic nature.
638 Ion| of all; and therefore God takes away the minds of poets,
639 Ion| frankly confess that at the tale of pity my eyes are filled
640 Ion| love to hear you wise men talk.~SOCRATES: O that we were
641 Ion| huge bloody dragon in his talons, still living and panting;
642 Ion| which the God intended to teach when by the mouth of the
643 Ion| authenticated by any early external testimony. The grace and beauty of
644 Ion| discourse of Olympus or Thamyras or Orpheus, or Phemius the
645 Ion| example, the passage in which Theoclymenus the prophet of the house
646 Ion| the son of Panopeus, or of Theodorus the Samian, or of any individual
647 Ion| The elements of a true theory of poetry are contained
648 | therefore
649 Ion| world agrees with me in thinking that I do speak better and
650 | those
651 | though
652 Ion| Which do you prefer to be thought, dishonest or inspired?~
653 Ion| presence of more than twenty thousand friendly faces, when there
654 Ion| stands on end and my heart throbs.~SOCRATES: Well, Ion, and
655 | Thus
656 Ion| know the good when the same topic is being discussed.~ION:
657 Ion| family resemblance may be traced in the Ion. The rhapsode
658 Ion| argument; like Proteus, he transforms himself into a variety of
659 Ion| irony of Socrates and the transparent vanity and childlike enthusiasm
660 Ion| Phaedr.), and should be treated with every sort of respect (
661 Ion| Ion has long been playing tricks with the argument; like
662 Ion| what a very commonplace and trivial thing is this which I have
663 Ion| and there is nothing to trouble him. Ion is confident that
664 Ion| they are in Ithaca or in Troy or whatever may be the scene
665 Ion| man, who only speak the truth. For consider what a very
666 Ion| bids him be careful of the turn at the horserace in honour
667 Ion| manner of ways, twisting and turning, and, like Proteus, become
668 Ion| the presence of more than twenty thousand friendly faces,
669 Ion| you go all manner of ways, twisting and turning, and, like Proteus,
670 Ion| he is powerless and is unable to utter his oracles. Many
671 Ion| Genius is often said to be unconscious, or spontaneous, or a gift
672 Ion| beautiful words about Homer unconsciously under his inspiring influence,
673 Ion| priceless words in a state of unconsciousness, but that God himself is
674 Ion| dancers and masters and under-masters of choruses, who are suspended,
675 Ion| your faces and your limbs underneath are shrouded in night; and
676 Ion| reason would be incapable of understanding them. Reflections of this
677 Ion| maintains, however, that he understands the art of the general as
678 Ion| you,—whether this holds universally? Must the same art have
679 | unless
680 Ion| good and bad, skilled and unskilled, and of the gods conversing
681 Ion| to the left of them, and urge the horse on the right hand
682 Ion| absolutely no ideas of the least value, when any one speaks of
683 Ion| Socrates and the transparent vanity and childlike enthusiasm
684 Ion| transforms himself into a variety of shapes, and is at last
685 Ion| the stage, and behold the various emotions of pity, wonder,
686 Ion| another. Thus there is a vast chain of dancers and masters
687 Ion| good at any other kind of verse: for not by art does the
688 Ion| the ruler of a sea-tossed vessel ought to say?~ION: No; the
689 Ion| wet with tears. And the vestibule is full, and the court is
690 Ion| now you go all manner of ways, twisting and turning, and,
691 Ion| for you have always to wear fine clothes, and to look
692 Ion| has robbed him, appears weeping or panic-stricken in the
693 Ion| Socrates, Ion.~SOCRATES: Welcome, Ion. Are you from your
694 Ion| not allowed to live in a well-ordered state. Like the Statesmen
695 Ion| so that the nave of the well-wrought wheel may not even seem
696 Ion| forth, and your cheeks are wet with tears. And the vestibule
697 | whatever
698 Ion| nave of the well-wrought wheel may not even seem to touch
699 | whereas
700 Ion| horse on the right hand with whip and voice; and slacken the
701 | whoever
702 Ion| in discussions about the wholesomeness of food, when many persons
703 | whose
704 Ion| he brightens up and is wide awake when Homer is being
705 Ion| afar on the wings of the wind (Il.).’~These are the sort
706 Ion| says,~‘Made with Pramnian wine; and she grated cheese of
707 Ion| Muses; they, like the bees, winging their way from flower to
708 Ion| cry, was borne afar on the wings of the wind (Il.).’~These
709 Ion| sophist professes to have all wisdom, which is contained in his
710 | within
711 | without
712 Ion| be, and about him only, woke up and was attentive and
713 Ion| know what a man and what a woman ought to say, and what a
714 Ion| various emotions of pity, wonder, sternness, stamped upon
715 Ion| say about the working of wool?~ION: No.~SOCRATES: At any
716 Ion| individual sculptor; but when the works of sculptors in general
717 Ion| him, if he prove himself worthy? Were not the Ephesians
718 Ion| described as giving to the wounded Machaon a posset, as he
719 Ion| Melampus says to the suitors:—~‘Wretched men! what is happening to
720 Ion| of the finest poems ever written, simply an invention of
721 Ion| is no one despoiling or wronging him;—is he in his right
722 Ion| of what I am saying: he wrote nothing that any one would
723 Ion| suggested by the passage of Xenophon’s Memorabilia in which the