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  1 Lache|          years of age at his trial in 399 (see Apology), he could
  2 Lache|            battle of Delium, and B.C. 418, the year of the battle
  3 Lache|            have occurred between B.C. 424, the year of the battle
  4 Lache|           that we instruct instead of abusing him?~NICIAS: Laches does
  5 Lache|                Nicias and Laches have accompanied them to see a man named
  6 Lache|              would go, and get you to accompany us; and we were intending
  7 Lache|               may be more than we can accomplish; let us first consider whether
  8 Lache|             Agathocles, who is a most accomplished man in every way, as well
  9 Lache|          should say the quality which accomplishes much in a little time—whether
 10 Lache|              to him. And if his words accord, then I am of one mind with
 11 Lache|              for our deeds are not in accordance with our words. Any one
 12 Lache|             very high praise which is accorded to you, Socrates, by faithful
 13 Lache|          likely to happen in war: and accordingly the law places the soothsayer
 14 Lache|         incurring the most formidable accusation which can be brought against
 15 Lache|              those whom all the world acknowledges to be courageous.~NICIAS:
 16 Lache|           Socrates; the other is only acquainted with his actions. Laches
 17 Lache|               of intelligence must be added. But then again unintelligent
 18 Lache|         military studies, and greatly adding to the appearance of the
 19 Lache|               riding and wrestling is adduced as a proof that virtue cannot
 20 Lache|             of the allies, and in the administration of the city; but neither
 21 Lache|         LACHES: Behold, Socrates, how admirably, as he thinks, he dresses
 22 Lache|            his actions. Laches is the admirer of the Dorian mode; and
 23 Lache|              is courageous, unless he admits that a lion, or a leopard,
 24 Lache|         fearful, and the hopeful, are admitted to be future goods and future
 25 Lache|             of the pursuits which are advantageous or hurtful to a young man.
 26 Lache|              in which the lads may be advantageously instructed?~SOCRATES: I
 27 Lache|              suppose that he has also advantages of position; would you say
 28 Lache|               And when you call in an adviser, you should see whether
 29 Lache|             teeth that I am a haughty Aexonian.~SOCRATES: Do not answer
 30 Lache|               is occupied with public affairs. As he says, such persons
 31 Lache|               who has an intellectual affinity to Socrates and enters into
 32 Lache|              to take more heed of his after-life; as Solon says, he will
 33      | afterwards
 34 Lache|                Damon, the disciple of Agathocles, who is a most accomplished
 35 Lache|           about the difference of our ages.~SOCRATES: I cannot say
 36 Lache|               to have visited us long ago, and made yourself at home
 37 Lache|            try to arrive at a similar agreement about the fearful and the
 38 Lache|             very wrong in refusing to aid in the improvement of anybody.
 39 Lache|              the weapon waving in the air, suspended from the transport.
 40 Lache|             so, Laches, but do not be alarmed; for I am quite willing
 41 Lache|              in the management of the allies, and in the administration
 42 Lache|         central figures, and frequent allusions are made to the place of
 43 Lache|               What do you say to that alteration in your statement?~NICIAS:
 44 Lache|             has learned this, and his ambition is once fired, he will go
 45 Lache|              of all sorts, tried both amid pleasures and pains. Laches
 46 Lache|              that among the favourite amusements of their leisure hours they
 47 Lache|          inferior, and disgrace their ancestors. But if you are yourselves
 48 Lache|       Socrates; and is disposed to be angry with the refinements of
 49 Lache|          perhaps a boar, or any other animal, has such a degree of wisdom
 50 Lache|            agree with his words is an annoyance to me; and the better he
 51 Lache|               he is, and shall not be annoyed at having to learn of him:
 52 Lache|       Dialogue—‘What is Courage?’ the antagonism of the two characters is
 53 Lache|     Lysimachus and Melesias, in their anxiety to improve the minds of
 54 Lache|             aid in the improvement of anybody. And if I had shown in this
 55 Lache|              at his trial in 399 (see Apology), he could not have been
 56 Lache|              only tell.~Nicias is now appealed to; and in reply he offers
 57 Lache|        foolish boldness and endurance appeared before to be base and hurtful
 58 Lache|            Lysimachus and Melesias, I applaud your purpose, and will gladly
 59 Lache|             of Melesias, and which is applicable, not only to them, but to
 60 Lache|         various uses of the term when applied both to pleasure and pain,
 61 Lache|              a person considers about applying a medicine to the eyes,
 62 Lache|       definition of Laches is made to approximate to that of Nicias, are worthy
 63 Lache|             them. Had they agreed, no arbiter would have been required.
 64 Lache|     inconsistency. And if we had been arguing in a court of law there
 65 Lache|         SOCRATES: But would there not arise a prior question about the
 66 Lache|          discovery in the art of war (Aristoph. Aves); the other is the
 67 Lache|             transport vessel, and was armed with a weapon, half spear,
 68 Lache|               of controversy has been aroused in me by what has been said;
 69 Lache|            harmony of words and deeds arranged, not in the Ionian, or in
 70 Lache|            desire to learn the proper arrangement of an army, which is the
 71 Lache|              never known him since he arrived at manhood.~LYSIMACHUS:
 72 Lache|            the physician or any other artist knows this, or any one indeed,
 73 Lache|              The truth is that we are ashamed of this contrast being seen
 74 Lache|         instinct. Laches exhibits one aspect of courage; Nicias the other.
 75 Lache|              distinct result. The two aspects of courage are never harmonized.
 76 Lache|            defend yourself against an assailant. Certainly he who possessed
 77 Lache|           because I think that he who assents to your doctrine, that courage
 78 Lache|             in such an art, as Nicias asserts, but I tell you my experience;
 79 Lache|             And are you ready to give assistance in the improvement of the
 80 Lache|             to give him up; for I can assure you that I have seen him
 81 Lache|               does not like to see an Athenian statesman and general descending
 82 Lache|             straight, and exhibits at Athens; and this is natural. Whereas
 83 Lache|               the use of arms are the athletes of our military profession,
 84 Lache|              in pursuit, when you are attacking some one who is defending
 85 Lache|         enquire how the young men may attain this quality by the help
 86 Lache|            one about the best mode of attaining something of which we are
 87 Lache|             For if this is your first attempt at education, there is a
 88 Lache|              of Nicias, are worthy of attention.~Thus, with some intimation
 89 Lache|             flight, and calls him ‘an author of fear or flight.’~LACHES:
 90 Lache|               would quote to them the authority of Homer, who says, that~‘
 91 Lache|        thoughtful general, willing to avail himself of any discovery
 92 Lache|             you say to them: Socrates avers that he has no knowledge
 93 Lache|             the art of war (Aristoph. Aves); the other is the practical
 94 Lache|              if we had only wanted to avoid the appearance of inconsistency.
 95 Lache|          between us; and now it comes back to me, at the mention of
 96 Lache|       endurance appeared before to be base and hurtful to us.~LACHES:
 97 Lache|               of the names which they bear. They, on their part, promise
 98 Lache|            cannot allow that any wild beast is courageous, unless he
 99 Lache|           less of poetical and simple beauty, and more of dramatic interest
100 Lache|              never get up from a sick bed? I should like to know whether
101 Lache|          riding, are of all arts most befitting to a freeman; for they only
102 Lache|              asks, if you will: for I began by saying that we took you
103 Lache|        inflammation of the lungs, and begs that he may be allowed to
104 Lache|              had witnessed his heroic behaviour at the battle of Delium (
105 Lache|           could not refrain when they beheld the weapon waving in the
106 Lache|             are wise actions.~LACHES: Behold, Socrates, how admirably,
107 Lache|          things which but a few human beings ever know by reason of their
108 Lache|               Socrates, his son; they belong to different circles. In
109 Lache|              fellow demesman have the benefit of any advice which you
110 Lache|         answered, I in turn earnestly beseech and advise you to detain
111      | beyond
112 Lache|               Nicias; not even such a big pig as the Crommyonian sow
113 Lache|             in the field. Laches, the blunt warrior, is of opinion that
114 Lache|               a leopard, or perhaps a boar, or any other animal, has
115 Lache|               and not to injure their bodily health. No gymnastics could
116 Lache|               Athenians or strangers, bond or free, he is generally
117 Lache|              use of the sling, or the bow, or of any other art, is
118 Lache|            and, as the proverb says, ‘break the large vessel in learning
119 Lache|          carrying on the enquiry will bring us equally to the same point,
120 Lache|          think that old age of itself brings wisdom. To me, to be cross-examined
121 Lache|          teachers, and who were their brothers in the art; and then, if
122 Lache|               lion, and a stag, and a bull, and a monkey, have equally
123 Lache|               of his own trireme also burst out laughing; they could
124 Lache|                But this is our proper business; and yours as well as ours,
125 Lache|          willing to fight, and wisely calculates and knows that others will
126 Lache|      knowledge of fear or flight, and calls him ‘an author of fear or
127 Lache|       pretensions to courage.~LACHES: Capital, Socrates; by the gods,
128 Lache|               apt to be negligent and careless of their own children and
129 Lache|             on the ‘vile corpus’ of a Carian slave, but on your own sons,
130 Lache|                he will be continually carried round and round by him,
131 Lache|               therefore beg of you to carry on the proposed discussion
132 Lache|                 But the other mode of carrying on the enquiry will bring
133 Lache|              but I would not have you cast in my teeth that I am a
134 Lache|          fighting, and the scythe was caught in the rigging of the other
135 Lache|          Charmides the youths are the central figures, and frequent allusions
136 Lache|              who may be compared with Cephalus in the Republic, and, like
137 Lache|            which we are speaking to a certain extent.~LACHES: To what
138 Lache|         subject the courageous, if he chance to make a slip, to invidious
139 Lache|        opinions, which they give in a characteristic manner. Nicias, the tactician,
140 Lache|                for he was speaking of chariots, as you were speaking of
141 Lache|               known him when he was a child, and may have met him among
142 Lache|               statesman whom the city chooses to preside over her.~SOCRATES:
143 Lache|              they belong to different circles. In the Meno their want
144 Lache|           their foot; but they make a circuit of the neighbouring states,
145 Lache|               is further shown by the circumstance that Lysimachus, the friend
146 Lache|               the future, and that he claims to be the master and not
147 Lache|               people in the transport clapped their hands, and laughed
148 Lache|     difference between us; and now it comes back to me, at the mention
149 Lache|           improving to them. Some one commended to us the art of fighting
150 Lache|              for I and he were always companions and friends, and to the
151 Lache|               will go on to learn the complete art of the general. There
152 Lache|               let him go until he has completely and thoroughly sifted him.
153 Lache|            some degree mollified by a compliment to his own courage. Still,
154 Lache|               up and down in order to conceal the difficulty into which
155 Lache|          unmeaning and transcendental conception. Yet several true intimations
156 Lache|              and I will act upon your conclusions.~SOCRATES: Let us, Nicias
157 Lache|           true.~SOCRATES: And is this condition of ours satisfactory?~LACHES:
158 Lache|            are cowards under the same conditions, as I should imagine.~LACHES:
159 Lache|              in armour is supposed to conduce? And is not that generally
160 Lache|            Both of them, by their own confession, have been ill-educated,
161 Lache|              for unless they had been confident in their own knowledge,
162 Lache|          trained in that on which the conflict turns. Moreover in actual
163 Lache|               for their words are all confusion, although their actions
164 Lache|         notice that you may teach and confute me as much as ever you like,
165 Lache|           military exploits naturally connect him with the two generals,
166 Lache|           with some intimation of the connexion and unity of virtue and
167 Lache|              I suppose, will be of no consequence. You certainly appear to
168 Lache|               and join with me in the consideration of the question.~LACHES:
169 Lache|              now saying, that we were considering, or wanting to consider,
170 Lache|           invited to take part in the consultation. He is a stranger to Lysimachus,
171 Lache|           discovery, when you were so contemptuous of the answers which I made
172 Lache|           pain or fear, but mighty to contend against desires and pleasures,
173 Lache|             in war, or in any sort of contest; but to whom the suffering
174 Lache|              he may start, he will be continually carried round and round
175 Lache|           these young men, that I may continue your friend, as I was your
176 Lache|              SOCRATES: And now on the contrary we are saying that the foolish
177 Lache|               sort. But the spirit of controversy has been aroused in me by
178 Lache|          experiment, not on the ‘vile corpus’ of a Carian slave, but
179 Lache|           said, that may be hereafter corrected by the help of Damon, whom
180 Lache|              in the true Dorian mode, correspond to his words.~Socrates proceeds:
181 Lache|              and note the harmony and correspondence of them. And such an one
182 Lache|             necessary because the two councillors disagree, and some one is
183 Lache|              we had been arguing in a court of law there might have
184 Lache|              asking about courage and cowardice in general. And I will begin
185 Lache|           some in fears, and some are cowards under the same conditions,
186 Lache|              husbandry, or than other craftsmen, who have a knowledge of
187 Lache|             things which do or do not create fear, and fear is not of
188 Lache|          useful when they are broken; creating a general interest in military
189 Lache|              of the scythe-spear, the crew of his own trireme also
190 Lache|            even such a big pig as the Crommyonian sow would be called by you
191 Lache|          contrast between the mode of cross-examination which is practised by Laches
192 Lache|      witnessed exhibiting in all that crowd and making such great professions
193 Lache|              to my house to-morrow at dawn, and we will advise about
194 Lache|          letting us be spoiled in the days of our youth, while they
195 Lache|               profess to teach it are deceivers only; or if it be knowledge,
196 Lache|          would never have spoken thus decidedly of the pursuits which are
197 Lache|               imagine,—because a good decision is based on knowledge and
198 Lache|               them. And such an one I deem to be the true musician,
199 Lache|              is, in my opinion, to be deemed courage. Hear my reason:
200 Lache|              flight, when you have to defend yourself against an assailant.
201 Lache|             attacking some one who is defending himself, or in flight, when
202 Lache|            argument. Courage has been defined to be intelligence or knowledge
203 Lache|           that you and Laches are not defining courage in the right way;
204 Lache|               to wait until they have delivered their opinions, which they
205 Lache|             youths? He is of the same deme with you, and is always
206 Lache|                should let your fellow demesman have the benefit of any
207 Lache|             term ‘courageous’ must be denied to animals or children,
208 Lache|               turning out well or ill depends the whole order of their
209 Lache|               words, while seeking to deprive of the honour of courage
210 Lache|              is intelligence.’ Laches derides this; and Socrates enquires, ‘
211 Lache|              from which his wisdom is derived. He has got all this from
212 Lache|        Athenian statesman and general descending to sophistries of this sort.
213 Lache|            True.~SOCRATES: And he who descends into a well, and dives,
214 Lache|              of the new art, which he describes as the gymnastics of war—
215 Lache|               which may or may not be desirable for a young man to learn.
216 Lache|          judgment, Lysimachus, of the desirableness of this art; but, as I said
217 Lache|         always from my earliest youth desired to have one. But I am too
218 Lache|            men who live together, are desirous of educating their sons
219 Lache|            because they are generally detained at home by old age; but
220 Lache|               Nicias and Laches, must determine whether you will be questioned,
221 Lache|             to go and see him. And we determined that we would go, and get
222 Lache|               that we first set about determining the nature of courage, and
223 Lache|              Laches has more play and development of character. In the Lysis
224 Lache|               it evanesces before the dialectic of Socrates; and Nicias
225 Lache|        entirely, if they had not been diametrically opposed.~Lysimachus here
226 Lache|           because the two councillors disagree, and some one is in a manner
227 Lache|               for my sons,—Damon, the disciple of Agathocles, who is a
228 Lache|      discourse; for when I hear a man discoursing of virtue, or of any sort
229 Lache|             you speaks truly; neither discoverer nor student is he of anything
230 Lache|               are yourselves original discoverers in that field, give us some
231 Lache|       teachers, and perhaps have made discoveries; and he would have trusted
232 Lache|            subject which we have been discussing; and if anything has been
233 Lache|             say?) two feelings, about discussions. Some would think that I
234 Lache|             the field. And I will not disdain to mention, what by some
235 Lache|             not grow up inferior, and disgrace their ancestors. But if
236 Lache|              which was before held in dishonour, is courage.~LACHES: Very
237 Lache|               have not made a similar display; and if we are both equally
238 Lache|               think nothing of having displayed your ignorance of the nature
239 Lache|              hits of Socrates; and is disposed to be angry with the refinements
240 Lache|           Like a novice in the art of disputation, he is delighted with the
241 Lache|            knowledge, we arrive at no distinct result. The two aspects
242 Lache|               of fence have ever been distinguished in war,—there has been a
243 Lache|           which will not assist us in distinguishing the nature of courage. In
244 Lache|             descends into a well, and dives, and holds out in this or
245 Lache|                having no knowledge of diving, or the like, is, as you
246      | done
247 Lache|            simple beauty, and more of dramatic interest and power. They
248 Lache|              with him is liable to be drawn into an argument; and whatever
249 Lache|            man can tell that.’ Laches draws the inference that the courageous
250 Lache|            man knows the things to be dreaded in his own art.’ ‘No they
251 Lache|           admirably, as he thinks, he dresses himself out in words, while
252 Lache|              other ship passed by and drew him after as he was holding
253 Lache|              may be allowed to eat or drink something, and the other
254 Lache|           discourse; so eager am I in drinking in his words. But a man
255 Lache|              teacher, or I shall be a dull and uncongenial pupil: but
256      | each
257 Lache|        although I have always from my earliest youth desired to have one.
258 Lache|        advisers about the eyes or the ears, or about the best mode
259 Lache|           with the productions of the earth in all times. As to the
260 Lache|            will thus probably be made easier to us.~LACHES: Let us do
261 Lache|             that he may be allowed to eat or drink something, and
262 Lache|         believe that they are able to educate a man; for unless they had
263 Lache|            are nearly of an age to be educated. Well, then, if you have
264 Lache|             together, are desirous of educating their sons in the best manner.
265 Lache|               who is the most skilful educator whom you have ever known;
266 Lache|              Socrates himself, to the effect that (1) ‘Courage is intelligence.’
267 Lache|               soldier; and only by an effort of the mind can he frame
268 Lache|       certainly to hear first what my elders have to say, and to learn
269 Lache|          injurious. Therefore (3) the element of intelligence must be
270      | elsewhere
271 Lache|               is a much more suitable employment for a Sophist than for a
272 Lache|            thither’; and he passes an encomium on Aeneas himself, as having
273 Lache|           Further, Lysimachus, I have encountered a good many of these gentlemen
274 Lache|           will strike terror into his enemies. My opinion then, Lysimachus,
275 Lache|           would say that he who in an engagement of cavalry endures, having
276 Lache|               second place proceed to enquire how the young men may attain
277 Lache|            derides this; and Socrates enquires, ‘What sort of intelligence?’
278 Lache|             life; and when he is once entangled, Socrates will not let him
279 Lache|              affinity to Socrates and enters into conversation with him
280 Lache|              the opinion which I have entertained of you ever since the day
281 Lache|               SOCRATES: But as to the epithet ‘wise,’—wise in what? In
282 Lache|            all knowledge will thus be equivalent to all virtue—a position
283 Lache|              attended to the subject, especially as you have children who,
284 Lache|           explained as the faculty of estimating pleasures and pains is here
285 Lache|            notion been formed than it evanesces before the dialectic of
286 Lache|              and has works to show as evidences of his skill. This is not
287 Lache|             good judges, and will say exactly what you think, we have
288 Lache|             examination.~LACHES: Then examine for yourself, Socrates.~
289 Lache|              and more thorough way of examining the question will be to
290 Lache|        Dialogue offers one among many examples of the freedom with which
291 Lache|               proof of their skill or excellence in one or more works.~LACHES:
292 Lache|              to be a most unfortunate exception. For example, this very
293 Lache|             could be better or harder exercise; and this, and the art of
294 Lache|              who had been trained and exercised under a skilful master?~
295 Lache|              states, and would rather exhibit to any others than to the
296 Lache|             and I have just witnessed exhibiting in all that crowd and making
297 Lache|            past, but is of future and expected evil. Do you not agree to
298 Lache|              the youth, regardless of expense or anything. But I cannot
299 Lache|            that you may be trying the experiment, not on the ‘vile corpus’
300 Lache|               questioned, and give an explanation about matters of this sort.
301 Lache|            graceful; and his military exploits naturally connect him with
302 Lache|             courage; but our question extended to the whole nature of courage:
303 Lache|            physician’s knowledge only extends to the nature of health
304 Lache|                They are richer in the externals of the scene; the Laches
305 Lache|             Socrates by Lysimachus is extremely graceful; and his military
306 Lache|            the last gasp: you see our extremity, and may save us and also
307 Lache|             have the boldness, in the face of universal opinion, to
308 Lache|               with which Plato treats facts. For the scene must be supposed
309 Lache|        Protagoras is explained as the faculty of estimating pleasures
310 Lache|                or if he be brave, and fail ever so little, other men
311 Lache|              would certainly not have failed to discover that of all
312 Lache|             with Solon, ‘that I would fain grow old, learning many
313 Lache|         courage will not laugh at our faint-heartedness in searching for courage;
314 Lache|           true musician, attuned to a fairer harmony than that of the
315 Lache|         accorded to you, Socrates, by faithful witnesses and for actions
316 Lache|       Socrates and Nicias and Laches, fall out of acquaintance with
317 Lache|        rejoice at the prospect of our family ties being renewed.~LACHES:
318 Lache|              is the reason why he who fancies that he can write a tragedy
319 Lache|             the other ship, and stuck fast; and he tugged, but was
320 Lache|              there has been a sort of fatality about them; while in all
321 Lache|      advantage to them that among the favourite amusements of their leisure
322 Lache|            them, courageous, but only fearless and senseless. Do you imagine
323 Lache|               in desires, and some in fears, and some are cowards under
324 Lache|              you the pleasure which I feel in hearing of your fame;
325 Lache|         Nicias, or (shall I say?) two feelings, about discussions. Some
326 Lache|               fell on the deck at his feet, and he quitted his hold
327 Lache|         Sophroniscus, should let your fellow demesman have the benefit
328 Lache|            may have met him among his fellow-wardsmen, in company with his father,
329 Lache|              none of these masters of fence have ever been distinguished
330 Lache|                and that there will be fewer and inferior men against
331 Lache|         Whereas I perceive that these fighters in armour regard Lacedaemon
332 Lache|             laughed at his ridiculous figure; and when some one threw
333 Lache|            the youths are the central figures, and frequent allusions
334 Lache|               whole life is passed in finding out and practising the arts
335 Lache|              by him, until at last he finds that he has to give an account
336 Lache|              and his ambition is once fired, he will go on to learn
337 Lache|           something, and the other is firm and refuses; is that courage?~
338 Lache|             that they are by no means firstrate in the arts of war. Further,
339 Lache|              I hope that you will see fit to comply with our request.~
340 Lache|         desires and pleasures, either fixed in their rank or turning
341 Lache|          stand and fight, and to have fled; but when the ranks of the
342 Lache|            the wisdom which plays the flute?~NICIAS: Certainly not.~
343 Lache|         making all this preface is as follows: Melesias and I have two
344 Lache|             be the sufferer; for I am fond of his conversation, Lysimachus.
345 Lache|               with the point of their foot; but they make a circuit
346 Lache|              that he has an excellent foreknowledge of the future, and that
347 Lache|            fearlessness, which has no forethought, are very common qualities
348 Lache|            thereby incurring the most formidable accusation which can be
349 Lache|             would be sure to make his fortune among other nations, just
350 Lache|                but now, from this day forward, as we have at last found
351 Lache|               than the vote of all us four?~MELESIAS: Certainly.~SOCRATES:
352 Lache|             effort of the mind can he frame a general notion at all.
353 Lache|            among many examples of the freedom with which Plato treats
354 Lache|              satisfied myself, I will freely impart my satisfaction to
355 Lache|              arts most befitting to a freeman; for they only who are thus
356 Lache|              the central figures, and frequent allusions are made to the
357 Lache|               you to assist us in the fulfilment of a common duty. I will
358 Lache|             argument, and at the last gasp: you see our extremity,
359 Lache|           sacrifice, or at some other gathering. You clearly show that you
360 Lache|              companion in danger, and gave a proof of your valour such
361 Lache|      encountered a good many of these gentlemen in actual service, and have
362 Lache|           them, and present them with gifts, or make interest with them,
363 Lache|             or about the best mode of giving sight and hearing to them.~
364 Lache|        applaud your purpose, and will gladly assist you; and I believe
365 Lache|             are admitted to be future goods and future evils?~NICIAS:
366 Lache|               Lysimachus is extremely graceful; and his military exploits
367 Lache|               is parted between them. Gradually, and not without difficulty,
368 Lache|         fighting; but the heavy-armed Greek fights, as I say, remaining
369 Lache|            been said; and I am really grieved at being thus unable to
370 Lache|               and which were not, and guard against them whether they
371 Lache|             say what they think. They guess at the wishes of the person
372 Lache|           were deliberating about the gymnastic training of your son, would
373 Lache|          retained only the end of the handle. The people in the transport
374 Lache|             happening or is likely to happen in war: and accordingly
375 Lache|               will only tell you what happened to this notable invention
376 Lache|               he knows better what is happening or is likely to happen in
377 Lache|               own education, as often happens with the sons of great men,
378 Lache|         gymnastics could be better or harder exercise; and this, and
379 Lache|          aspects of courage are never harmonized. The knowledge which in
380 Lache|           better he speaks the more I hate him, and then I seem to
381 Lache|               in my teeth that I am a haughty Aexonian.~SOCRATES: Do not
382 Lache|              them is supposed to be a hearer of Socrates; the other is
383 Lache|             will be sure to take more heed of his after-life; as Solon
384 Lache|           endurance, which was before held in dishonour, is courage.~
385 Lache|              discover that of all the Hellenes the Lacedaemonians have
386 Lache|               Lydian, but in the true Hellenic mode, which is the Dorian,
387      | hereafter
388 Lache|           generals, and Socrates, the hero of Delium, are still in
389 Lache|         Laches, who had witnessed his heroic behaviour at the battle
390 Lache|              Socrates in terms of the highest praise; but I have never
391 Lache|              he is delighted with the hits of Socrates; and is disposed
392 Lache|           into a well, and dives, and holds out in this or any similar
393 Lache|            justice, or temperance, or holiness? He would possess them all,
394 Lache|              is that he does not like honestly to confess that he is talking
395 Lache|           other military arts will be honourable and valuable to a man; and
396 Lache|            Socrates. I had very great hopes that you would have been
397 Lache|               having the knowledge of horsemanship, is not so courageous as
398 Lache|           Homer says in praise of the horses of Aeneas, that they knew ‘
399 Lache|           amusements of their leisure hours they should have one which
400 Lache|          knows things which but a few human beings ever know by reason
401 Lache|              LACHES: No more than the husbandmen who know the dangers of
402 Lache|             their turning out well or ill depends the whole order
403 Lache|             own confession, have been ill-educated, as is further shown by
404 Lache|           prior question, which I may illustrate in this way: When a person
405 Lache|         Nicias the other. The perfect image and harmony of both is only
406 Lache|             And yet, friend Nicias, I imagined that you would have made
407 Lache|             the gift of virtue may be imparted to their sons for the improvement
408 Lache|              and if anything has been imperfectly said, that may be hereafter
409 Lache|          think that the view which is implied in Nicias’ definition of
410 Lache|             to be saying something of importance.~NICIAS: Yes, he is saying
411 Lache|           deliberating about the most important of our concerns. I hope
412 Lache|               art at all, but only an imposition, in either case such an
413 Lache|        generally acknowledged to have improved. But if he can show neither
414 Lache|        pursuits are likely to be most improving to them. Some one commended
415 Lache|           Further, this sort of skill inclines a man to the love of other
416 Lache|             the fearful, but seems to include nearly every good and evil
417 Lache|               avoid the appearance of inconsistency. And if we had been arguing
418 Lache|               of friends, and thereby incurring the most formidable accusation
419 Lache|              of Nicias and Laches are indicated by their opinions on the
420 Lache|             the hope that they may be induced to take charge of our children
421 Lache|          musician, and a companion of inestimable value for young men at their
422 Lache|               that.’ Laches draws the inference that the courageous man
423 Lache|              some patient of his, has inflammation of the lungs, and begs that
424 Lache|           tends to improve and not to injure their bodily health. No
425 Lache|          endurance may be hurtful and injurious. Therefore (3) the element
426 Lache|       experience, and is the enemy of innovation; he can act but cannot speak,
427 Lache|               2) That true courage is inseparable from knowledge, and yet (
428 Lache|           which is concerned with the inspection of health equally in all
429 Lache|              3) is based on a natural instinct. Laches exhibits one aspect
430 Lache|               to pay the sophists for instructing him, and has never had the
431 Lache|                 Who have been our own instructors in this sort of training,
432 Lache|             the lyre, or any pleasant instrument of music; for truly he has
433 Lache|               that any one who has an intellectual affinity to Socrates and
434 Lache|              more courageous than the intelligent, the bad than the good.
435 Lache|              not the question which I intended to ask, but another.~LACHES:
436 Lache|              shall be delighted to be interrogated by a man such as he is,
437 Lache|             them; and if there is any interruption I am quite lost. I will
438 Lache|            attention.~Thus, with some intimation of the connexion and unity
439 Lache|          conception. Yet several true intimations of the nature of courage
440 Lache|             to Nicias, to whom he had introduced the excellent Damon, musician
441 Lache|                                       INTRODUCTION~Lysimachus, the son of Aristides
442 Lache|           ever known; and whether you invented the art yourselves, or learned
443 Lache|              happened to this notable invention of the scythe spear. He
444 Lache|              the danger. Against this inversion of the ordinary use of language
445 Lache|                and yet I am unused to investigations of this sort. But the spirit
446 Lache|             chance to make a slip, to invidious remarks. And now let Socrates
447 Lache|         regard Lacedaemon as a sacred inviolable territory, which they do
448 Lache|               that Socrates should be invited to take part in the consultation.
449 Lache|            making, in sober truth, an involuntary exhibition of himself, which
450 Lache|            deeds arranged, not in the Ionian, or in the Phrygian mode,
451 Lache|             tragedy does not go about itinerating in the neighbouring states,
452      | itself
453 Lache|              traduced; for there is a jealousy of such pretenders; and
454 Lache|               And this I say not as a joke, but because I think that
455 Lache|             we know that you are good judges, and will say exactly what
456 Lache|             sort of skill. Such is my judgment, Lysimachus, of the desirableness
457 Lache|             fighters in armour regard Lacedaemon as a sacred inviolable territory,
458 Lache|             to say of you and also of Lamachus, and of many other Athenians,
459 Lache|      inversion of the ordinary use of language Laches reclaims, but is
460 Lache|              proverb says, ‘break the large vessel in learning to make
461 Lache|             well as Laches; for quite lately he supplied me with a teacher
462 Lache|              clapped their hands, and laughed at his ridiculous figure;
463 Lache|            own trireme also burst out laughing; they could not refrain
464 Lache|             as we are. And if any one laughs at us for going to school
465 Lache|          follow the track, and not be lazy?~LACHES: Certainly, he should.~
466 Lache|                and may therefore have learnt of others. And they are
467      | least
468 Lache|             worth mentioning of arms, legs, mouth, voice, mind;—would
469 Lache|         favourite amusements of their leisure hours they should have one
470 Lache|              admits that a lion, or a leopard, or perhaps a boar, or any
471      | less
472 Lache|               the love of other noble lessons; for every man who has learned
473 Lache|              we blame our fathers for letting us be spoiled in the days
474 Lache|              conversation with him is liable to be drawn into an argument;
475 Lache|               when they came upon the light shields of the Persians,
476 Lache|           when you have to fight in a line with a number of others,
477 Lache|              have heard from your own lips.~SOCRATES: What is it, Nicias?~
478 Lache|               young, when they are no longer children, but to begin at
479 Lache|           like the rest of the world, looking at your neighbour and not
480 Lache|           cannot speak, and is apt to lose his temper. It is to be
481 Lache|          whether death or disease, or loss of property, or victory,
482 Lache|           skill inclines a man to the love of other noble lessons;
483 Lache|               has inflammation of the lungs, and begs that he may be
484 Lache|         Phrygian mode, nor yet in the Lydian, but in the true Hellenic
485 Lache|              In the discussion of the main thesis of the Dialogue—‘
486 Lache|              you that I have seen him maintaining, not only his father’s,
487 Lache|               in war and peace—in the management of the allies, and in the
488 Lache|               him since he arrived at manhood.~LYSIMACHUS: Why do you
489 Lache|     courageous, are really wiser than mankind; or whether you will have
490 Lache|             the year of the battle of Mantinea, at which Laches fell. But
491 Lache|            better spectacle. He was a marine on board a ship which struck
492 Lache|               should not be very good medical advisers about the eyes
493 Lache|           possessed the art could not meet with any harm at the hands
494 Lache|             different circles. In the Meno their want of education
495 Lache|            every action that is worth mentioning of arms, legs, mouth, voice,
496 Lache|          courage is a good thing, and mere endurance may be hurtful
497 Lache|            Nicias is serious, and not merely talking for the sake of
498 Lache|           other. Such an one makes me merry with the sound of his voice;
499 Lache|             was a child, and may have met him among his fellow-wardsmen,
500 Lache|             against pain or fear, but mighty to contend against desires