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1 1 | have been the justest of men, and we Cretans are of opinion
2 1 | continued in peace. For what men in general term peace would
3 1 | was just saying—that all men are publicly one another’
4 1 | Spartan citizen, who of all men was most eager about war:
5 1 | if he were the richest of men, and possessed every good (
6 1 | are speaking of the same men; tell us, then, do you agree
7 1 | that there are still better men whose virtue is displayed
8 1 | insolent, unjust, violent men, and the most senseless
9 1 | experiences which come to men in diseases, or in war,
10 1 | overcome by pleasure; for all men deem him to be inferior
11 1 | law forbidding any young men to enquire which of them
12 1 | Athenian. As there are no young men present, and the legislator
13 1 | legislator has given old men free licence, there will
14 1 | called in the true sense men and freemen. Tell me whether
15 1 | the intercourse between men and women; but that the
16 1 | that the intercourse of men with men, or of women with
17 1 | intercourse of men with men, or of women with women,
18 1 | happy; and this holds of men and animals—of individuals
19 1 | speaking, my friends, not about men in general, but about the
20 1 | Scythians and Thracians, both men and women, drink unmixed
21 1 | Scythians.~Megillus. O best of men, we have only to take arms
22 1 | fit to be a commander of men, but only of old women.~
23 1 | saying just now, that when men are at war the leader ought
24 1 | Cleinias. To be sure; no men more so.~Athenian. And we
25 1 | that education makes good men, and that good men act nobly,
26 1 | good men, and that good men act nobly, and conquer their
27 1 | educated generally become good men. Neither must we cast a
28 1 | fairest thing that the best of men can ever have, and which,
29 1 | before that they are good men who are able to rule themselves,
30 1 | rule themselves, and bad men who are not.~Cleinias. You
31 1 | thing, which fear we and all men term shame.~Cleinias. Certainly.~
32 1 | had given a fear–potion to men, and that the more a man
33 1 | last the most courageous of men utterly lost his presence
34 1 | really been known among men?~Athenian. No; but, if there
35 1 | that he, like all other men, might be overcome by the
36 1 | the natures and habits of men’s souls will be of the greatest
37 2 | holy festivals, wherein men alternate rest with labour;
38 2 | true to nature or not. For men say that the young of all
39 2 | art to the characters of men. Choric movements are imitations
40 2 | True.~Athenian. Our young men break forth into dancing
41 2 | be adjudged the wisest of men, and the winner of the palm,
42 2 | educated women, and young men, and people in general,
43 2 | And I believe that we old men would have the greatest
44 2 | declare that those whom we old men adjudge victors ought to
45 2 | therefore the judges must be men of character, for they will
46 2 | performed in play; just as when men are sick and ailing in their
47 2 | brave and in every way good men.~Cleinias. But do you really
48 2 | to say that there are bad men who lead pleasant lives,
49 2 | fame, coming from Gods and men, though good and noble,
50 2 | lasting, but a thing of which men are hard to be persuaded.~
51 2 | Athenian. The story of armed men springing up after the sowing
52 2 | follow the choir of young men under the age of thirty,
53 2 | Thirdly, the choir of elder men, who are from thirty to
54 2 | Dionysiac chorus of old men, if you really mean that
55 2 | and festivity of the elder men, making use of the wine
56 2 | wine which he has given men to lighten the sourness
57 2 | and you have your young men herding and feeding together
58 2 | assigning to the words of men the gestures and songs of
59 2 | the rhythms of slaves and men of the baser sort; nor,
60 2 | sounds of animals and of men and instruments, and every
61 2 | select what are suitable for men of their age and character
62 2 | performance, and also lead younger men to welcome with dutiful
63 2 | charm the souls of young men in the way of virtue. And
64 2 | for which reason he gave men wine. Such traditions concerning
65 2 | from this beginning among men, and that Apollo and the
66 3 | cities first existed and men were citizens of them?~Cleinias.
67 3 | desolation of these primitive men would create in them a feeling
68 3 | another of a falsehood, as men do now; but what they heard
69 3 | they heard about Gods and men they believed to be true,
70 3 | before the deluge, or to the men of our day in these respects,
71 3 | explaining what need the men of that time had of laws,
72 3 | such states composed of men who had been dispersed in
73 3 | to be a city of speaking men; but they were still dwelling
74 3 | as land—for at that time men were ceasing to be afraid
75 3 | To these kings all the men of that day made oath that
76 3 | advantage possessed by the men of that day, which greatly
77 3 | intention with which the men of those days framed the
78 3 | Athenian. And would not men who had shared with one
79 3 | remark, sage friend, that all men, and we ourselves at this
80 3 | swim; and to them, as to men of sense, authority is to
81 3 | the principles on which men rule and obey in cities,
82 3 | and in the absence of the men, too, who were occupied
83 3 | sheep, and many herds of men and other animals, but he
84 3 | they were in want of more men. And they cannot help being
85 3 | lawless innovation. They were men of genius, but they had
86 3 | following afterwards, and men, fancying that they knew
87 3 | our mention of the first men, who were the survivors
88 4 | begetting in the souls of men uncertain and unfaithful
89 4 | neighbourhood of fighting men, to be an evil;—lions might
90 4 | most honourable thing for men, as the vulgar think, but
91 4 | united with that of the chief men of the state; and when the
92 4 | said to have excelled all men in the power of speech,
93 4 | are merely aggregations of men dwelling in cities who are
94 4 | God who rules over wise men.~Cleinias. And who is this
95 4 | reflection led him to appoint not men but demigods, who are of
96 4 | failing, made the tribes of men happy and united. And this
97 4 | more the point at issue. Men say that the law ought not
98 4 | things, and not man, as men commonly say (Protagoras):
99 4 | and is accepted of all men, when he sits down on the
100 4 | often compelled to represent men of opposite dispositions,
101 4 | honours which the young men in the state give to the
102 5 | into the likeness of bad men, and growing like them to
103 5 | do and suffer what such men by nature do and say to
104 5 | disgraceful; for where old men have no shame, there young
105 5 | have no shame, there young men will most certainly be devoid
106 5 | to be pitied by Gods and men. Wherefore, also, he who
107 5 | thing, both to Gods and men; and he who would be blessed
108 5 | the second is worth many men, because he informs the
109 5 | be honoured as the man of men, and he who is willing,
110 5 | of a truth deemed by all men the most honourable. In
111 5 | wherefore I say that good men ought, when occasion demands,
112 5 | which in the souls of most men is innate, and which a man
113 5 | Through a similar error men are induced to fancy that
114 5 | hope, in the case of good men, that whatever afflictions
115 5 | fortunate. Such should be men’s hopes, and such should
116 5 | touching the practices which men ought to follow, and as
117 5 | spoken, and we must; for to men we are discoursing and not
118 5 | dislike. All the lives of men may be regarded by us as
119 5 | that the whole multitude of men lack temperance in their
120 5 | purification is as follows:—when men who have nothing, and are
121 5 | attained. Touching evil men, who want to join and be
122 5 | and act in common, and all men express praise and blame
123 5 | than one, happy are the men who, living after this manner,
124 5 | meet the evil by the elder men giving advice and administering
125 5 | following terms:—Best of men, cease not to honour according
126 5 | possible to one another. And men who are always at law with
127 5 | coincide as they are wanted. Men who will not take offence
128 5 | covetousness from the souls of men, so that they can use them
129 5 | and that some beget better men and others worse; and we
130 5 | only affects the bodies of men for good or evil, but produces
131 6 | able to select or reject men whom they approve or disapprove,
132 6 | they are not to be inferior men, but the best possible.
133 6 | shall propose as generals men who are natives of the city,
134 6 | judgment of Zeus; among men it avails but little; that
135 6 | who will have a care of men, that they may do no harm,
136 6 | served ancient and honourable men in the days of his youth.
137 6 | city. These also should be men of influence, and at leisure
138 6 | the gymnastic contests of men, shall judge of horses;
139 6 | the choruses of boys, and men, and maidens, whom they
140 6 | contests of horses and of men; these shall be selected
141 6 | wild and tame, and also of men. Man, as we say, is a tame
142 6 | Thus far, then, the old men’s rational pastime has gone
143 6 | compared with us are young men, we ought not only to legislate
144 6 | this applies equally to men and women, old and young—
145 6 | which is likely to make men worse. These are our original
146 6 | such a marriage as wise men would approve. Now they
147 6 | to charm the spirits of men into believing the equability
148 6 | the instruction of poor men that he who neither gives
149 6 | census of each decreases: all men shall praise him who is
150 6 | half the understanding of men whom the day of slavery
151 6 | dealings with any class of men to whom he can easily be
152 6 | be sending out our young men annually into the country
153 6 | the inhabitants, inviting men to run thither instead of
154 6 | renewal of trouble. But if men must have walls, the private
155 6 | times of pressure. But when men had once tried and been
156 6 | Megillus, the common tables of men are, as I said, a heaven–
157 6 | nature is inferior to that of men in capacity for virtue,
158 6 | institutions relating both to men and women, greatly conduces
159 6 | Again, the practice of men sacrificing one another
160 6 | blood. For in those days men are said to have lived a
161 6 | Athenian. I see that among men all things depend upon three
162 6 | sexual lust, which kindles in men every species of wantonness
163 6 | associations are to be confined to men, or extended to women also,
164 6 | which they can. Now all men who are associated any action
165 7 | and savage servitude makes men mean and abject, and haters
166 7 | God. Now, I say, he among men, too, who would be divine
167 7 | I myself agree that all men ought to avoid the life
168 7 | of the children, and the men superintending their education,
169 7 | good about the minds of men and the natures of their
170 7 | when they grow up to be men, will be different from
171 7 | good and evil characters in men? What say you?~Cleinias.
172 7 | equally to women as well as men who have been distinguished
173 7 | are trained in it better men, whereas the other makes
174 7 | suitable to women, and what to men, and must assign to them
175 7 | the nature of different men’s souls; seeking truly to
176 7 | missiles, at which young men may learn and practise.
177 7 | suitable to women as to men. Of the truth of this I
178 7 | only ride on horseback like men, but have enjoined upon
179 7 | weapons equally with the men. And I further affirm, that
180 7 | prevails in our own country, of men and women not following
181 7 | education and in other ways with men. For consider;—if women
182 7 | in their whole life with men, then they must have some
183 7 | would appear to be like men. Let him who will, praise
184 7 | the manner of life among men who may be supposed to have
185 7 | a return sufficient for men living temperately; who,
186 7 | common tables in which the men are placed apart, and near
187 7 | dedicated, and then go home? To men whose lives are thus ordered,
188 7 | be very well off. And to men living under this second
189 7 | honours due to them, and men having a better understanding
190 7 | most suitable for young men to hear; I cannot imagine
191 7 | learning, and our young men should learn quickly, and
192 7 | will consider that if young men have been and are well brought
193 7 | their pupils should be the men and boys in the state, and
194 7 | and after the manner of men who duly conform to the
195 7 | say, they imitate drunken men, and which are named after
196 7 | have given to the dances of men who in their times of prosperity
197 7 | shall we answer the divine men? I think that our answer
198 7 | to be more like pigs than men, and I am quite ashamed,
199 7 | you referring?~Athenian. Men say that we ought not to
200 7 | all, old as I am, to old men like yourselves.~Cleinias.
201 7 | running at Olympia, or about men who ran in the long course,
202 7 | runners, though they be but men; and now, to commit the
203 7 | erroneous in the case of men—is not that ludicrous and
204 7 | make the souls of young men better, and the censure
205 7 | now let us address young men in the form of a prayer
206 7 | not any desire of catching men and of piracy by sea enter
207 7 | with horses and dogs and men’s own persons, and they
208 8 | to be separated from the men’s festivals, and those which
209 8 | To such a deity warlike men should entertain no aversion,
210 8 | as are the works of good men, which praise of blame has
211 8 | ought to apply equally to men and women. The legislator
212 8 | considering that if a few men should die, others as good
213 8 | wealth, which wholly absorbs men, and never for a moment
214 8 | beardless youths, and a third of men. For the youths we will
215 8 | contests in running both for men and women.~Respecting contests
216 8 | they married as well as to men. The pancration shall have
217 8 | manner the Gods may put into men’s minds the distribution
218 8 | education, I beheld young men and maidens holding friendly
219 8 | against them? Will not all men censure as womanly him who
220 8 | are all aware that most men, in spite of their lawless
221 8 | earliest childhood has heard men speaking in the same manner
222 8 | that I had a way to make men use natural love and abstain
223 8 | appointment of nature, and deters men from all frenzy and madness
224 8 | like; and shall our young men be incapable of a similar
225 8 | altogether the connection of men with men; and as to women,
226 8 | the connection of men with men; and as to women, if any
227 8 | kind better suited to free men. For he has nothing to do
228 8 | the city, and like other men must live, or those who
229 8 | be the order proper for men like them. There shall be
230 9 | parents, but that we are only men who are legislating for
231 9 | legislating for the sons of men, there is no uncharitableness
232 9 | those who are called good men among you; hear them tell
233 9 | image in which I likened the men for whom laws are now made
234 9 | building, but rather like men who are partly providing
235 9 | life and the pursuits of men, but not so disgraceful
236 9 | agreed that justice, and just men and things and actions,
237 9 | were to maintain that just men, even when they are deformed
238 9 | Athenian. That all bad men are always involuntarily
239 9 | involuntarily. I too admit that all men do injustice involuntarily,
240 9 | disputatious person says that men are unjust against their
241 9 | involuntary hurts of all men are quite as many and as
242 9 | quite well that to such men themselves there is no profit
243 9 | would be an example to other men not to offend, and they
244 9 | errors of children and old men; and these he will treat
245 9 | of motives which incite men to the fulfilment of their
246 9 | from passion either when men suddenly, and without intention
247 9 | insulted in deed or word, men pursue revenge, and kill
248 9 | can he, whom, alone of all men, even in defence of his
249 9 | whether he is forbidden of men or not; for the law, which
250 9 | law stirs up the voices of men against him; and in the
251 9 | and by such punishments men should be deterred. But
252 9 | who slays him who of all men, as they say, is his own
253 9 | voluntary and involuntary, which men do to one another; these
254 9 | the Gods and also among men who would live in security
255 9 | framed for the sake of good men, in order to instruct them
256 9 | worst that can happen to men; far worse are the punishments
257 9 | whether they be youths, or men, or women, let them come
258 9 | relation to women, about men and women in relation to
259 10| better manner than other men, at any rate in a truer;
260 10| accusing us among unholy men, who are trying to escape
261 10| regard justice more than men do. The demonstration of
262 10| hating and abhorring the men who are and have been the
263 10| their non–existence; when men, knowing all these things,
264 10| are the sayings of wise men, poets and prose writers,
265 10| thus inflicted on young men to the ruin both of states
266 10| when he is making laws for men, at the same time infuse
267 10| never to weary of persuading men; he ought to leave nothing
268 10| being undermined by bad men, but the legislator himself?~
269 10| however is a wrong term for men to apply to them; these
270 10| looks, beguiling us old men, give us the slip and make
271 10| river is passable by older men like yourselves, and if
272 10| chariot to give light to men, or acting from without
273 10| him we say—O thou best of men, in believing that there
274 10| of evil and unrighteous men in private as well as public
275 10| happy in the judgment of men, and are celebrated both
276 10| Perhaps you have seen impious men growing old and leaving
277 10| impieties, and have beheld men by such criminal means from
278 10| most excellent and best of men, do I understand you to
279 10| like the meanest sort of men, knowing the better, choose
280 10| nature designed to profit men, and the evil to harm them—
281 10| which the very names terrify men, and which they picture
282 10| and that they care for men:—The other notion that they
283 10| in virtue to dogs, and to men even of moderate excellence,
284 10| sake of gifts which unjust men impiously offer them?~Cleinias.
285 10| characterized as of all impious men the wickedest and most impious.~
286 10| and that they take care of men, and that they can never
287 10| am zealous against evil men; and I will tell dear Cleinias,
288 10| succeeded in persuading the men to hate themselves and love
289 10| expressive of retribution. Now, men fall into impiety from three
290 10| and avoids unrighteous men, and loves the righteous.
291 10| perhaps by laughing at other men he may make them like himself,
292 10| of stratagem and deceit—men of this class deal in prophecy
293 10| Gods take no thought of men produces two other sorts
294 10| one law, which will make men in general less liable to
295 10| And women especially, and men too, when they are sick
296 10| them, and who are better men than they are; and the consequence
297 10| levity, but such as grown–up men may be guilty of, whether
298 11| his superiors. Now better men are the superiors of worse
299 11| are the superiors of worse men, and in general elders are
300 11| of their off spring, and men of women and children, and
301 11| their subjects; for all men ought to reverence any one
302 11| Gods, after the fashion of men in general, who care little
303 11| Dear Cleinias, the class of men is small—they must have
304 11| ridiculous thing, the best men everywhere to keep taverns
305 11| occupation to that class of men whose corruption will be
306 11| strong tendency to make men bad. And, therefore, in
307 11| citizens to honour the brave men who are the saviours of
308 11| who are able above other men to honour the words of good
309 11| reckoned among grown–up men, whether his own or an adopted
310 11| hindrances which may arise among men in the execution of such
311 11| really so, in the first place men should have a fear of the
312 11| those who dishonour them. Men should also fear the souls
313 11| fact, where the natures of men are utterly bad; for where
314 11| the characters of young men are subject to many changes
315 11| ordered by nature, good men think it a blessing from
316 11| regretted by them; but to bad men parents are always a cause
317 11| that is to say, if they be men, or if they be women, let
318 11| kinds of poisons used among men, which cannot clearly be
319 11| to believe him. And when men are disturbed in their minds
320 11| and exhort, and advise men not to have recourse to
321 11| of the imprecations which men utter against one another,
322 11| in such cases almost all men take to saying something
323 12| present to the God three men out of their own number
324 12| to Apollo her three best men as first–fruits, to be a
325 12| During the life of these men, whom the whole state counts
326 12| the sepulchre, the young men marching first, dressed
327 12| admiration. He knew that the men of his own time believed
328 12| those days, because most men were the sons of Gods, and
329 12| and the opinion of most men, and of the men, is that
330 12| of most men, and of the men, is that in return for small
331 12| justice; for as the needs of men about the Gods are changed,
332 12| matters in which, as far as men can judge, there is nothing
333 12| begin by trying to persuade men as far as he can. The intercourse
334 12| harsh and morose ways, as men think. And to be thought
335 12| in themselves. Even bad men have a divine instinct which
336 12| reputation for virtue from other men; and there is every reason
337 12| leisure at the doings of other men; and these no law shall
338 12| experience of good and bad men or intercourse with them,
339 12| the world a few inspired men whose acquaintance is beyond
340 12| mixed body of young and old men, who shall be required to
341 12| elders approve, the younger men shall learn with all diligence;
342 12| over those among the young men who distinguish themselves,
343 12| the institutions of other men, on his return home shall
344 12| or approving the saying, “Men should receive gifts as
345 12| hearth of the house of all men is sacred to all Gods; wherefore
346 12| have been framed by good men, and from them the guardians
347 12| daily conversation, whether men dispute about them in the
348 12| share of dealings with other men, and suffers if he has done
349 12| would be the work of five men completed in five days;
350 12| the holiest and justest of men, and after death may have
351 12| are the slaves of other men or not. The tendency of
352 12| other states; but the wisest men, as they deem themselves
353 12| that he excels all other men in virtue, and has won the
354 12| that is to say, the old men—take counsel and making
355 12| making use of the younger men as their ministers, and
356 12| are two things which lead men to believe in the Gods,
357 12| which once prevailed among men, that the sun and stars
358 12| soul. Even in those days men wondered about them, and
359 12| thought the most courageous of men in the estimation of posterity.
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