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  1 1 |           among us Cretans he is said to have been Zeus, but in
  2 1 |      general term peace would be said by him to be only a name;
  3 1 |    inferior classes may be truly said to be better than itself,
  4 1 |        and household are rightly said to be superior when they
  5 1 |         place and dignity may be said to be only fourth rate.~
  6 1 |      Athenian. You ought to have said, Stranger—The Cretan laws
  7 1 |          he who receives what is said in a generous and friendly
  8 1 |         pleasure; he should have said to himself, that if our
  9 1 |       banqueters and banquets be said to constitute a kind of
 10 1 |          and there is much to be said about all this. What would
 11 1 |         Persian invasion; and he said that for ten years they
 12 1 |          a child?~Cleinias. Well said, Stranger.~Athenian. Is
 13 1 |        fear—~Cleinias. Which you said to be characteristic of
 14 2 |       right in all that you have said and are saying about education.~
 15 2 |      that I have been saying has said with a view to them.~Cleinias.
 16 2 |     nature of young creatures: I said that they were unable to
 17 2 |        termed choric song. And I said that the Gods had pity on
 18 2 | familiars, and, as we have often said, to chant, and to enchant?~
 19 2 |       cities. Such an one, as we said at first, would be a greater
 20 2 |           may not their works be said to have a charm?~Cleinias.
 21 2 |         misunderstanding what is said.~Cleinias. To what do you
 22 2 |       remember, has been already said by us to be the origin of
 23 2 |  Stranger, is precisely what was said.~Athenian. Then half the
 24 2 |        of the choral art, may be said to have been completely
 25 3 |    follow, has been, and will be said, with the intention of explaining
 26 3 |       And thus far what you have said has been very well said.~
 27 3 |          said has been very well said.~Athenian. They could hardly
 28 3 |     these verses, and in what he said of the Cyclopes, he speaks
 29 3 |       already forgotten what was said a little while ago?~Megillus.
 30 3 |      arbitrary; and the subjects said that, if the rulers observed
 31 3 |        you will remember, what I said at first, that a statesman
 32 3 |       find, I suspect, as I have said already, that not cowardice
 33 3 |        of harmonies may be truly said to be the greatest wisdom;
 34 3 |          Theban poet Pindar once said; and the sixth principle,
 35 3 |      wisely Hesiod spoke when he said that the half is often more
 36 3 |        wisdom, as I have already said, in judging after the event;
 37 3 |         might have been done. We said, for instance, just now,
 38 3 |      which the rest may be truly said to be derived; and one of
 39 3 |          to praise all that they said or did. This was how they
 40 3 |    endless evils. But why have I said all this? I ask, because
 41 3 |       what end has all this been said?~Megillus. Very good.~Athenian.
 42 3 |   Athenian. This, then, has been said for the sake—~Megillus.
 43 3 |          all that was previously said about music and drinking,
 44 3 |           and what preceded, was said with the view of seeing
 45 3 |     selection from what has been said, and then let us imagine
 46 4 |       noble sentiments: this was said by us, if you remember,
 47 4 |           my good friend, what I said at first about the Cretan
 48 4 |      everything. And this may be said of the arts of the sailor,
 49 4 |          and may seem to be well said; and yet there is another
 50 4 |       another thing which may be said with equal truth of all
 51 4 |         that quality which, as I said before, is the inseparable
 52 4 |         when isolated, was as we said, hardly worth reckoning
 53 4 |      character of Nestor, who is said to have excelled all men
 54 4 |        his lips. And this may be said of power in general: When
 55 4 |         is held for life, and is said by all mankind, and not
 56 4 |         have described, there is said to have been in the time
 57 4 |        And of this the reason is said to have been as follows:—
 58 4 |        imitate the life which is said to have existed in the days
 59 4 |       you not?—that there are of said to be as many forms of laws
 60 4 |        How?~Athenian. Justice is said by them to be the interest
 61 4 |       principle of might, and we said that Pindar considered violence
 62 4 |     happy. But of what has to be said, and must be said by the
 63 4 |          to be said, and must be said by the legislator who is
 64 4 |         of thinking, and yet, if said in the form of law, would
 65 4 |         in one thing that he has said than in another. this is
 66 4 |          enough has been already said; and we may proceed to the
 67 5 |     himself. And the soul, as we said, is of a truth deemed by
 68 5 |         thus we who may be truly said to know nothing, think that
 69 5 |     earnest.~Enough has now been said of divine matters, both
 70 5 |     pains exceed. And when, as I said before, there is a balance
 71 5 |         avoided; but even God is said not to be able to fight
 72 5 |        and therefore, as we have said not once but many times,
 73 6 |        you in your mind when you said that?~Athenian. I had in
 74 6 |   Cleinias. I like what you have said, Stranger—and I particularly
 75 6 |         have omitted; for, as we said, where there are numerous
 76 6 |         let us remember what was said before—that a man should
 77 6 |       and much more may be truly said by way of prelude about
 78 6 |          exact the money, as was said before about the unmarried—
 79 6 |      them; and this may be truly said of every master, and tyrant,
 80 6 |       Likely enough.~Athenian. I said that there may have been
 81 6 |          tables of men are, as I said, a heaven–born and admirable
 82 6 |  legislator. And therefore, as I said before, in most places they
 83 6 |        For in those days men are said to have lived a sort of
 84 6 |       have to precede them. As I said before we shall see them
 85 7 |       there is a good deal to be said in favour of this treatment.~
 86 7 |   terrors which beset us, may be said to be an exercise of courage.~
 87 7 |         not deserve to have much said about them; but the art
 88 7 |        kind of gymnastic which I said at first ought to be described;
 89 7 |      must say what has yet to be said about the gifts of the Muses
 90 7 |           we fancied that we had said all, and that gymnastic
 91 7 |          all things except, as I said before, of the bad. He who
 92 7 |        endeavours, for man, as I said before, is made to be the
 93 7 |         think that what has been said is enough for them, and
 94 7 |        the present day there are said to be countless myriads
 95 7 |      compunction for what I have said. Tell me, then, what you
 96 7 |      wish to say, Cleinias, as I said before, that if the possibility
 97 7 |         the fact being as I have said, he who rejects the law
 98 7 |          life which may be truly said to be concerned with the
 99 7 |  imperfect, and nothing has been said either clear or satisfactory?
100 7 |     every one of these poets has said many things well and many
101 7 |   clearer when, as we have often said, we arrive at the end of
102 7 |          different festivals, we said were to benefit cities by
103 7 |      exercise in general. Having said what remained to be said
104 7 |         said what remained to be said about the teaching of music,
105 7 |     state. Many things have been said by us about dancing and
106 7 |    explain clearly what has been said, pointing out that of all
107 7 |         had this in view when he said, that “not even God himself
108 7 |           that what you have now said is very true and agreeable
109 8 |        this that no one has ever said the opposite, but every
110 8 |          outcry. And therefore I said that I knew a way of enacting
111 8 |        of the human heart when I said that the permanent establishment
112 8 |        training? And the same is said of Crison and Astylus and
113 8 |       cases, as has been already said, the whole number of them
114 9 |         let him pay fines, as we said before. In cases of death,
115 9 |       enquiry into what has been said; and after the oldest has
116 9 |         so much of what has been said as is to the purpose all
117 9 |      remember what has been well said by us already, that our
118 9 |         the benefit may often be said to injure. For I maintain,
119 9 |          Cleinias. What you have said appears to me to be very
120 9 |          much would be generally said and allowed, that one element
121 9 |     passion, which may be justly said to be in a mean between
122 9 |          to law.~Enough has been said of murders violent and involuntary
123 9 |     other murders. But now, as I said at first, avarice is the
124 9 |         rid of them. Let this be said as a prelude concerning
125 9 |           and these, as has been said, shall be required of the
126 9 |          the border, as has been said about the animals.~If a
127 9 |       same time, as I have often said, we should exhibit to the
128 9 |     tried for assault, as I have said, and if he be found guilty,
129 9 |        the punishments which are said to pursue them in the world
130 9 |       rescue as has been already said, and the metic or stranger
131 10|       cases. For we have already said in general terms what shall
132 10|         when we hear such things said of them by those who are
133 10|         Gods, of whom the law is said now to approve, let us take
134 10|     other things the soul may be said to exist by nature; and
135 10|        round of globes which are said to be at rest? “Yes.” And
136 10|       rule or proportion, may be said to be akin to senselessness
137 10|        Then, after what has been said, there is no difficulty
138 10|       judging from what has been said, Stranger, there would be
139 10|       see, then, whether we have said enough or not enough to
140 10|       present and heard what was said, that they are perfectly
141 11|        of many things it is well said—”Move not the immovables,”
142 11|       the agora. Enough has been said in what has preceded about
143 11|          and the merchant may be said to be appointed for this
144 11|         to die intestate. When I said, Cleinias, that we must
145 11|        former discourse, when we said that the souls of the dead
146 11|   agreeably to what has now been said. But if this prelude be
147 12| ambassador, what they have never said, let him be indicted for
148 12|       help; for justice is truly said to be an honourable maiden,
149 12|         of the damages and, as I said before, half as much again,
150 12|       the dead are quite rightly said to be our shades or images;
151 12|     things of old time were well said and sung; and the saying
152 12|       not something of this sort said by us before?~Cleinias.
153 12|      earnestness.~Cleinias. Well said, and I hope that you will
154 12|          we mentioned, cannot be said to have understanding about
155 12|      assembly which you just now said was to meet at night.~Athenian.
156 12|         we admitted, was rightly said to be virtue.~Athenian.
157 12|  Athenian. Yes.~Cleinias. And we said that virtue was of four
158 12|         end, for we have already said that the mind of the pilot,
159 12|           then, must we do as we said? Or can we give our guardians
160 12|          And may not the same be said of all good things—that
161 12|          Just the opposite, as I said, of the opinion which once
162 12|         same sort. But now, as I said, the case is reversed.~Cleinias.
163 12|          moreover, as I have now said several times, he who has
164 12|          mind of nature which is said to exist in the stars, and
165 12|          they could not be truly said to be secret, might be said
166 12|      said to be secret, might be said to be incapable of being
167 12|          after all that has been said, either we must detain the