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501 6 |             and is very likely true.~Athenian. Some one might say to us,
502 6 |        pertinent question, Stranger.~Athenian. And therefore I will endeavour,
503 6 |        inference.~Cleinias. Proceed.~Athenian. I see that among men all
504 6 |           them.~Cleinias. Very true.~Athenian. Let us keep in mind the
505 6 |             you bid us keep in mind?~Athenian. That which we comprehended
506 6 |          sure to remember, Stranger.~Athenian. Very good. Then let us
507 6 |          Cleinias. What do you mean?~Athenian. The bride and bridegroom
508 7 |         saying.~Cleinias. Very true.~Athenian. Stranger. Am I not right
509 7 |               Cleinias. Undoubtedly.~Athenian. And nothing can be plainer
510 7 |         manner?~Cleinias. Certainly.~Athenian. And do we not further observe
511 7 |             at five.~Cleinias. True.~Athenian. Well, and is not rapid
512 7 |             the body?~Cleinias. Yes.~Athenian. And the body should have
513 7 |             upon newly–born infants?~Athenian. Nay, rather on the bodies
514 7 |            the process of gestation?~Athenian. Exactly. I am not at all
515 7 |              Cleinias. By all means.~Athenian. The practice is more easy
516 7 |              Cleinias. What penalty?~Athenian. Ridicule, and the difficulty
517 7 |          speak of the matter at all?~Athenian. The reason is that masters
518 7 |             Cleinias. Likely enough.~Athenian. And therefore let us proceed
519 7 |              Cleinias. By all means.~Athenian. Let us assume, then, as
520 7 |          what is the reason of this?~Athenian. The reason is obvious.~
521 7 |             obvious.~Cleinias. What?~Athenian. The affection both of the
522 7 |      treatment.~Cleinias. Certainly.~Athenian. But if fear has such a
523 7 |         courage.~Cleinias. No doubt.~Athenian. And, on the other hand,
524 7 |             courage.~Cleinias. True.~Athenian. And we may say that the
525 7 |          soul.~Cleinias. Quite true.~Athenian. Further, a cheerful temper,
526 7 |         other.~Cleinias. To be sure.~Athenian. Then now we must endeavour
527 7 |          young.~Cleinias. Certainly.~Athenian. There is a common opinion,
528 7 |             any sort of instruction?~Athenian. I will tell you how:—Every
529 7 |        animal.~Cleinias. Quite true.~Athenian. Do not nurses, when they
530 7 |             or well.~Cleinias. True.~Athenian. Does not the discontented
531 7 |             be?~Cleinias. Certainly.~Athenian. Well, but if during these
532 7 |              a variety of pleasures.~Athenian. There I can no longer agree,
533 7 |            right.~Cleinias. Proceed.~Athenian. The point about which you
534 7 |             have been well answered?~Athenian. Very good, Cleinias; and
535 7 |         point.~Cleinias. What is it?~Athenian. That all the matters which
536 7 |          disposed to agree with you.~Athenian. Up to the age of three
537 7 |           Cleinias. In what respect?~Athenian. In that the right and left
538 7 |            to enunciate better ones.~Athenian. Now we must say what has
539 7 |              Cleinias. By all means.~Athenian. Let me tell you once more—
540 7 |           have you to say, Stranger?~Athenian. I say that in states generally
541 7 |         blaming antiquity in states?~Athenian. Exactly.~Cleinias. If you
542 7 |    unfavourably but most favourably.~Athenian. I should expect so.~Cleinias.
543 7 |        expect so.~Cleinias. Proceed.~Athenian. Well, then, let us give
544 7 |     prevision.~Cleinias. To be sure.~Athenian. And now do we still hold
545 7 |         doctrine which we can admit.~Athenian. Must we not, then, try
546 7 |      pleasures.~Cleinias. Most true.~Athenian. Can any of us imagine a
547 7 |      Cleinias. What is their method?~Athenian. To consecrate every sort
548 7 |          likes.~Cleinias. Very good.~Athenian. In the consideration of
549 7 |              what are you referring?~Athenian. I mean that any young man,
550 7 |         moment.~Cleinias. Most true.~Athenian. Then we will allow time
551 7 |            let us do as you propose.~Athenian. Let us then affirm the
552 7 |            law.~Cleinias. Very good.~Athenian. Can any one who makes such
553 7 |        kinsmen?~Cleinias. Of course.~Athenian. And this is just what takes
554 7 |             of song—~Cleinias. What?~Athenian. That we should avoid every
555 7 |             the suffrages of us all.~Athenian. But what shall be our next
556 7 |      sacrifice?~Cleinias. Certainly.~Athenian. And our third law, if I
557 7 |     ridiculous.~Cleinias. Very true.~Athenian. Were we not a little while
558 7 |         state?~Cleinias. To be sure.~Athenian. And what has it been the
559 7 |              the law more precisely?~Athenian. Shall we make a law that
560 7 |              it be so, by all means.~Athenian. Then it will be proper
561 7 |     characters.~Cleinias. Certainly.~Athenian. In the next place there
562 7 |       fitting.~Cleinias. Quite true.~Athenian. But to honour with hymns
563 7 |          worse.~Cleinias. Very true.~Athenian. Again, we must distinguish
564 7 |            too.~Cleinias. Certainly.~Athenian. I say that about serious
565 7 |           Cleinias. In what respect?~Athenian. At present they think that
566 7 |        opinion of mankind, Stranger.~Athenian. Nay, Megillus, be not amazed,
567 7 |              would next wish to say.~Athenian. I should wish to say, Cleinias,
568 7 |           life.~Cleinias. Certainly.~Athenian. And what arrangement of
569 7 |    legislation.~Megillus. Very true.~Athenian. Then now I may proceed?~
570 7 |              Cleinias. By all means.~Athenian. What will be the manner
571 7 |              perplexed in your mind?~Athenian. You naturally ask, Cleinias,
572 7 |              refer in this instance?~Athenian. I will tell you. There
573 7 |           many important enactments?~Athenian. That is quite true; and
574 7 |          faint.~Cleinias. Certainly.~Athenian. And I do not faint; I say,
575 7 |          wrong.~Cleinias. Yes, I do.~Athenian. But how can I in one word
576 7 |          guardian of the law to act?~Athenian. In what respect?~Cleinias.
577 7 |           not shrink from answering.~Athenian. My good Cleinias, I rather
578 7 |         fortunate.~Cleinias. How so?~Athenian. I think that I am not wholly
579 7 |              cannot be very certain.~Athenian. The truth, Cleinias, may
580 7 |           about laws.~Cleinias. Yes.~Athenian. And now that we have done
581 7 |             us.~Cleinias. Certainly.~Athenian. I think that we have only
582 7 |      Cleinias. To what do you refer?~Athenian. We were saying, if I remember
583 7 |      imitation.~Cleinias. Very true.~Athenian. And with this view, the
584 7 |      Cleinias. That, again, is true.~Athenian. Then let him who has been
585 7 |             they not?~Cleinias. Yes.~Athenian. Then the boys ought to
586 7 |           them.~Cleinias. Very good.~Athenian. Then once more let us summon
587 7 |        attend to such great charges?~Athenian. O my friend, there will
588 7 |          well as a great misfortune.~Athenian. Suppose that we carry our
589 7 |             Cleinias. I quite agree.~Athenian. Of wrestling we have spoken
590 7 |      wrestling.~Cleinias. Excellent.~Athenian. Enough of wrestling; we
591 7 |             you put the matter thus.~Athenian. There still remain three
592 7 |            are divine and not human?~Athenian. I conceive them to be those
593 7 |             and agreeable to nature.~Athenian. Yes, Cleinias, that is
594 7 |       prevent you from speaking out.~Athenian. I certainly am afraid of
595 7 |          more fatal.~Cleinias. True.~Athenian. All freemen, I conceive,
596 7 |            of ignorance do you mean?~Athenian. O my dear Cleinias, I,
597 7 |             Stranger, what you mean.~Athenian. I will; or rather I will
598 7 |             is?~Cleinias. Certainly.~Athenian. And what breadth is?~Cleinias.
599 7 |            is?~Cleinias. To be sure.~Athenian. And you know that these
600 7 |          depth?~Cleinias. Of course.~Athenian. And do not all these seem
601 7 |           themselves?~Cleinias. Yes.~Athenian. That is to say, length
602 7 |               Cleinias. Undoubtedly.~Athenian. But if some things are
603 7 |              Clearly, far from good.~Athenian. Concerning length and breadth
604 7 |           way?~Cleinias. Quite true.~Athenian. But if they are absolutely
605 7 |    distinction?~Cleinias. Certainly.~Athenian. And there are other things
606 7 |             Cleinias. What are they?~Athenian. The natures of commensurable
607 7 |           unlike a game of draughts.~Athenian. And these, as I maintain,
608 7 |            say.~Cleinias. Certainly.~Athenian. Then if these studies are
609 7 |             the lacunae of our laws?~Athenian. They shall be regarded
610 7 |          Cleinias. A fair condition.~Athenian. Next let us see whether
611 7 |            youth.~Cleinias. Proceed.~Athenian. Here occurs a strange phenomenon,
612 7 |              what are you referring?~Athenian. Men say that we ought not
613 7 |          Cleinias. What do you mean?~Athenian. Perhaps what I am saying
614 7 |              notion about the stars?~Athenian. My good friends, at this
615 7 |       Cleinias. Lies of what nature?~Athenian. We say that they and divers
616 7 |            we all know that they do.~Athenian. Just so, Megillus and Cleinias;
617 7 |         endeavour to understand you.~Athenian. There is some difficulty
618 7 |            us as clearly as you can.~Athenian. I will. For, O my good
619 7 |             ludicrous, I should say.~Athenian. At all events, the Gods
620 7 |           true, if such is the fact.~Athenian. And if we can show that
621 7 |       decision.~Cleinias. Very good.~Athenian. Enough of laws relating
622 8 |                            BOOK VIII~Athenian Stranger. Next, with the
623 8 |            Cleinias. The number—yes.~Athenian. Then we will first determine
624 8 |               would be the only way.~Athenian. And shall the warriors
625 8 |        should practise them supposed~Athenian. And what is the reason
626 8 |      legislators?~Cleinias. Perhaps.~Athenian. Certainly not, sweet Cleinias;
627 8 |             Cleinias. What are they?~Athenian. One cause is the love of
628 8 |           his lusts.~Cleinias. True.~Athenian. Let this, then, be deemed
629 8 |          Cleinias. What do you mean?~Athenian. Must not they be truly
630 8 |            but you spoke of another.~Athenian. Thank you for reminding
631 8 |          tell me, what is the other?~Athenian. Do you imagine that I delay
632 8 |             have a peculiar dislike.~Athenian. That is a very fair rebuke,
633 8 |            cause.~Cleinias. Proceed.~Athenian. I say that governments
634 8 |            our idea.~Cleinias. True.~Athenian. Then next we must remember,
635 8 |      swiftness.~Cleinias. Very good.~Athenian. Certainly the most military
636 8 |       strength.~Cleinias. Very true.~Athenian. Neither of them can attain
637 8 |              Cleinias. How can they?~Athenian. Then our herald, in accordance
638 8 |           each.~Cleinias. Very good.~Athenian. Let us suppose that there
639 8 |             understand your meaning.~Athenian. Very likely; I will endeavour
640 8 |               Cleinias. How is that?~Athenian. Dear is the like in virtue
641 8 |           love.~Cleinias. Very true.~Athenian. The friendship which arises
642 8 |            you have been now saying.~Athenian. I knew well, my friend,
643 8 |           laws.~Megillus. Very good.~Athenian. Upon reflection I see a
644 8 |          Megillus. What do you mean?~Athenian. We are all aware that most
645 8 |          Megillus. When do you mean?~Athenian. When any one has a brother
646 8 |           them.~Megillus. Very true.~Athenian. Does not a little word
647 8 |           sort?~Megillus. What word?~Athenian. The declaration that they
648 8 |              has a marvellous power.~Athenian. Am I not also right in
649 8 |            same language about them?~Athenian. A good objection; but was
650 8 |      difficult.~Megillus. Very true.~Athenian. Shall I try and find some
651 8 |              Cleinias. By all means.~Athenian. Is a man more likely to
652 8 |              when he is in training.~Athenian. And have we not heard of
653 8 |          ancients of these athletes.~Athenian. And had they; courage to
654 8 |            victory are you speaking?~Athenian. Of the victory over pleasure,
655 8 |      mastered?~Cleinias. I dare say.~Athenian. And since we have reached
656 8 |             pass if this one failed?~Athenian. Clearly, Cleinias, the
657 8 |              Cleinias. What is that?~Athenian. Our citizens should not
658 8 |             Cleinias. What are they?~Athenian. The principle of piety,
659 8 |           laws.~Megillus. Very good.~Athenian. We had got about as far
660 8 |          Cleinias. What do you mean?~Athenian. I mean that the earth of
661 8 |          worse.~Cleinias. Of course.~Athenian. Such being the case, let
662 9 |           them.~Cleinias. Very good.~Athenian Stranger. There is a sense
663 9 |   predecessors!~Cleinias. Very good.~Athenian. Once more let there be
664 9 |        entirely different penalties?~Athenian. Excellent. I was running
665 9 |           And would he not be right?~Athenian. Perhaps he would; and he
666 9 |    observation.~Cleinias. Very true.~Athenian. But we are fortunate.~Cleinias.
667 9 |               Cleinias. In what way?~Athenian. Inasmuch as we are not
668 9 |              and others lie at hand.~Athenian. Certainly, in that case,
669 9 |      consider.~Cleinias. What is it?~Athenian. There are many writings
670 9 |       persons.~Cleinias. To be sure.~Athenian. Shall we give heed rather
671 9 |           them far above all others.~Athenian. And ought the legislator
672 9 |             Cleinias. Certainly not.~Athenian. And is it disgraceful for
673 9 |     Excellent; let us do as you say.~Athenian. Then we will now consider
674 9 |              Cleinias. By all means.~Athenian. Concerning all things honourable
675 9 |             which you observe in us?~Athenian. I will endeavour to explain.
676 9 |           They would be quite right.~Athenian. Perhaps; but let us consider
677 9 |           And what is the inference?~Athenian. The inference is, that
678 9 |     honourable.~Cleinias. Certainly.~Athenian. And must not a suffering
679 9 |         carried out?~Cleinias. True.~Athenian. But then if we admit suffering
680 9 |          Cleinias. What do you mean?~Athenian. A thing not difficult to
681 9 |           saying.~Cleinias. To what?~Athenian. We had enacted, if I am
682 9 |              appears to be the case.~Athenian. In this discordant and
683 9 |       Cleinias. Very true, Stranger.~Athenian. Then now, Cleinias, let
684 9 |        Cleinias. Consistent in what?~Athenian. I think that I have clearly
685 9 |           now state—~Cleinias. What?~Athenian. That all bad men are always
686 9 |     inference.~Cleinias. What is it?~Athenian. That the unjust man may
687 9 |          answer to these objections?~Athenian. That is a very fair question.
688 9 |           let us—~Cleinias. Do what?~Athenian. Let us remember what has
689 9 |             truth of this statement.~Athenian. Of these two alternatives,
690 9 |            among us upon that point.~Athenian. Reflect, then; there are
691 9 |    involuntary.~Cleinias. Certainly.~Athenian. I would not have any one
692 9 |     friendship.~Cleinias. Very good.~Athenian. Then as to unjust hurts (
693 9 |            Cleinias. What direction?~Athenian. When any one commits any
694 9 |   involuntary which enter into them?~Athenian. I will endeavour to do
695 9 |         things.~Cleinias. Very true.~Athenian. And pleasure is not the
696 9 |        things.~Cleinias. Quite true.~Athenian. A man may truly say that
697 9 |             You are perfectly right.~Athenian. We all of us remark of
698 9 |           true.~Cleinias. Certainly.~Athenian. But no one was ever yet
699 9 |      ignorance.~Cleinias. Very true.~Athenian. We are speaking of motives
700 9 |          time.~Cleinias. Yes, often.~Athenian. And now I can define to
701 9 |               Cleinias. Quite right.~Athenian. There was a second consisting
702 9 |              What are the two kinds?~Athenian. There is one kind of actions
703 9 |       severity.~Cleinias. Naturally.~Athenian. And now let us return from
704 9 |           laws.~Cleinias. Certainly.~Athenian. Let us proceed:—If any
705 9 |     jealousies.~Cleinias. Very good.~Athenian. Let us first speak, as
706 9 |              is to be the inference?~Athenian. The inference is, that
707 9 |              leave to courts of law?~Athenian. I may reply, that in a
708 10|              or do to these persons?~Athenian Stranger. My good friend,
709 10|            us.~Cleinias. What jests?~Athenian. They will make some irreverent
710 10|           the existence of the Gods?~Athenian. How would you prove it?~
711 10|          barbarians believe in them.~Athenian. I fear, my sweet friend,
712 10|          what other reason is there?~Athenian. One which you who live
713 10|         guess.~Cleinias. What is it?~Athenian. A very grievous sort of
714 10|          Cleinias. What do you mean?~Athenian. At Athens there are tales
715 10|             of them, which is worse.~Athenian. Well, then; what shall
716 10|         persuasion which we possess.~Athenian. Seeing you thus in earnest,
717 10|              thus far, is excellent.~Athenian. Quite true, Megillus and
718 10|           What doctrine do you mean?~Athenian. The wisest of all doctrines,
719 10|             you would speak plainer.~Athenian. The doctrine that all things
720 10|          Cleinias. Is not that true?~Athenian. Well, philosophers are
721 10|              Cleinias. By all means.~Athenian. They say that the greatest
722 10|               Cleinias. How is that?~Athenian. I will explain my meaning
723 10|           Cleinias. How do you mean?~Athenian. In the first place, my
724 10|              of states and families!~Athenian. True, Cleinias; but then
725 10|          agree with you in thinking.~Athenian. Yes, my enthusiastic Cleinias;
726 10|             what Cleinias is saying.~Athenian. Yes, Megillus, and we should
727 10|             proper champion of them.~Athenian. Well, then, tell me, Cleinias—
728 10|          means.~Cleinias. Very true.~Athenian. Then, by Heaven, we have
729 10|            to know how this happens.~Athenian. I fear that the argument
730 10|          take this way, my good sir.~Athenian. Then I suppose that I must
731 10|             I do not understand you.~Athenian. Nearly all of them, my
732 10|           body?~Cleinias. Certainly.~Athenian. Then thought and attention
733 10|             the word “nature” wrong?~Athenian. Because those who use the
734 10|       Cleinias. You are quite right.~Athenian. Shall we, then, take this
735 10|              Cleinias. By all means.~Athenian. Let us be on our guard
736 10|              will do as you propose.~Athenian. Come, then, and if ever
737 10|            Cleinias. Which are they?~Athenian. Just the two, with which
738 10|             Cleinias. Speak plainer.~Athenian. I suppose that our enquiry
739 10|           soul?~Cleinias. Very true.~Athenian. Let us assume that there
740 10|           motion.~Cleinias. Granted.~Athenian. And we will assume that
741 10|          tenth.~Cleinias. Certainly.~Athenian. And which of these ten
742 10|          superior to all the others.~Athenian. Very good; but may I make
743 10|             Cleinias. What are they?~Athenian. When I spoke of the tenth
744 10|        Cleinias. What was the error?~Athenian. According to the true order,
745 10|          Cleinias. What do you mean?~Athenian. I mean this: when one thing
746 10|             true, and I quite agree.~Athenian. Or, to put the question
747 10|            take place in themselves.~Athenian. Then we must say that self–
748 10|        second.~Cleinias. Quite true.~Athenian. At this stage of the argument
749 10|             Cleinias. What question?~Athenian. If we were to see this
750 10|              self–moving power life?~Athenian. I do.~Cleinias. Certainly
751 10|       Cleinias. Certainly we should.~Athenian. And when we see soul in
752 10|             life?~Cleinias. We must.~Athenian. And now, I beseech you,
753 10|          Cleinias. What do you mean?~Athenian. I mean that we know the
754 10|         anything.~Cleinias. How two?~Athenian. Sometimes a person may
755 10|             this way.~Cleinias. How?~Athenian. Number like some other
756 10|              parts”?~Cleinias. True.~Athenian. I mean, that when we are
757 10|         parts.~Cleinias. Quite true.~Athenian. And what is the definition
758 10|             which has the name soul?~Athenian. Yes; and if this is true,
759 10|            the oldest of all things.~Athenian. And is not that motion
760 10|           prefer?~Cleinias. Exactly.~Athenian. Then we are right, and
761 10|            Nothing can be more true.~Athenian. Do you remember our old
762 10|           body?~Cleinias. Certainly.~Athenian. Then characters and manners,
763 10|          body.~Cleinias. To be sure.~Athenian. In the next place, must
764 10|           things?~Cleinias. We must.~Athenian. And as the soul orders
765 10|        heavens?~Cleinias. Of course.~Athenian. One soul or more? More
766 10|           evil.~Cleinias. Very true.~Athenian. Yes, very true; the soul
767 10|            no room at all for doubt.~Athenian. Shall we say then that
768 10|      Cleinias. How would you answer?~Athenian. If, my friend, we say that
769 10|           good path.~Cleinias. True.~Athenian. But if the world moves
770 10|            it.~Cleinias. True again.~Athenian. Of what nature is the movement
771 10|            one.~Cleinias. Very good.~Athenian. Then let us not answer
772 10|          Cleinias. What do you mean?~Athenian. Let us select of the ten
773 10|              That will be excellent.~Athenian. You will surely remember
774 10|              motion?~Cleinias. I do.~Athenian. And that of things in motion
775 10|             than one?~Cleinias. Yes.~Athenian. Of these two kinds of motion,
776 10|          Cleinias. What do you mean?~Athenian. In saying that both mind
777 10|             It does us great credit.~Athenian. And the motion of the other
778 10|         Cleinias. That is most true.~Athenian. Then, after what has been
779 10|           carries round the heavens.~Athenian. You have understood my
780 10|           What are you going to ask?~Athenian. If the soul carries round
781 10|           them?~Cleinias. Certainly.~Athenian. Then of one of them let
782 10|       Cleinias. Which will you take?~Athenian. Every one sees the body
783 10|              Cleinias. What is that?~Athenian. If the soul carries round
784 10|             Cleinias. What are they?~Athenian. Either the soul which moves
785 10|             one of these three ways.~Athenian. And this soul of the sun,
786 10|             least particle of sense.~Athenian. And of the stars too, and
787 10|              would be such a madman.~Athenian. And now, Megillus and Cleinias,
788 10|           him.~Cleinias. What terms?~Athenian. Either he shall teach us
789 10|              quite enough, Stranger.~Athenian. Then to them we will say
790 10|          help you as well as we can.~Athenian. There will probably be
791 10|              No doubt he heard that.~Athenian. Let us consider together
792 10|           vice?~Cleinias. Certainly.~Athenian. Yes; and courage is a part
793 10|             of vice?~Cleinias. True.~Athenian. And the one is honourable,
794 10| dishonourable?~Cleinias. To be sure.~Athenian. And the one, like other
795 10|           what everybody will admit.~Athenian. But do we imagine carelessness
796 10|             Cleinias. Decidedly not.~Athenian. They rank under the opposite
797 10|       opposite class?~Cleinias. Yes.~Athenian. And their opposites, therefore,
798 10|       opposite class?~Cleinias. Yes.~Athenian. But are we to suppose that
799 10|       comparison is a most just one.~Athenian. Surely God must not be
800 10|              not. How could he have?~Athenian. Should we not on any principle
801 10|             Cleinias. What are they?~Athenian. Either he must think that
802 10|             Cleinias. Certainly not.~Athenian. Now, then, let us examine
803 10|           admit this?~Cleinias. Yes.~Athenian. And do you admit also that
804 10|             course, admit this also.~Athenian. And surely we three and
805 10|        perfect?~Cleinias. Assuredly.~Athenian. But, if they are such as
806 10|      indolence.~Cleinias. Most true.~Athenian. Then not from inactivity
807 10|         Cleinias. That is very true.~Athenian. Then the alternative which
808 10|             Cleinias. There is none.~Athenian. And, O most excellent and
809 10|         pains?~Cleinias. Impossible.~Athenian. Do not all human things
810 10|            That is not to be denied.~Athenian. And we acknowledge that
811 10|        belongs?~Cleinias. Certainly.~Athenian. And, therefore, whether
812 10| consideration.~Cleinias. What is it?~Athenian. Sensation and power are
813 10|          Cleinias. What do you mean?~Athenian. I mean that there is greater
814 10|       opposites.~Cleinias. Far more.~Athenian. Suppose the case of a physician
815 10|        Cleinias. Decidedly not well.~Athenian. No better would be the
816 10|             Cleinias. Of course not.~Athenian. Let us not, then, deem
817 10|              both impious and false.~Athenian. I think that we have now
818 10|              neglect.~Cleinias. Yes.~Athenian. He has been forced to acknowledge
819 10|      consolation will you offer him?~Athenian. Let us say to the youth:—
820 10|             In what way do you mean?~Athenian. In a way which may be supposed
821 10|              task.~Cleinias. How so?~Athenian. I will explain:—When the
822 10|               that is probably true.~Athenian. Then all things which have
823 10|          good; let us do as you say.~Athenian. Well, then, by the Gods
824 10|              heaven?~Cleinias. True.~Athenian. And to what earthly rulers
825 10|     injustice.~Cleinias. Quite true.~Athenian. What else can he say who
826 10|              Cleinias. Precisely so.~Athenian. And to which of the above–
827 10|             Cleinias. Assuredly not.~Athenian. And surely they are not
828 10|           fearful image of the Gods.~Athenian. Nor are they like generals,
829 10|           thing not to be spoken of.~Athenian. And are not all the Gods
830 10|         Cleinias. Yes; the chiefest.~Athenian. And shall we say that those
831 10|          wickedest and most impious.~Athenian. Then are the three assertions—
832 10|         entire assent to your words.~Athenian. I have spoken with vehemence
833 10|              discredit the lawgiver.~Athenian. After the prelude shall
834 11|          Cleinias. What do you mean?~Athenian Stranger. Dear Cleinias,
835 11|          What do you mean, Stranger?~Athenian. O Cleinias, a man when
836 11|               Cleinias. In what way?~Athenian. He wants to have the entire
837 11|              Cleinias. Such as what?~Athenian. O ye Gods, he will say,
838 11|              not very fairly say so?~Athenian. In my opinion, Cleinias,
839 11|          Cleinias. What do you mean?~Athenian. I mean, my friend that
840 11|            citizens.~Cleinias. What?~Athenian. O my friends, we will say
841 11|             under the circumstances?~Athenian. There must be arbiters
842 11|          Cleinias. What do you mean?~Athenian. I mean to say, that a case
843 11|            the true mode of service?~Athenian. I will tell you, O my friend,
844 11|     listening to.~Cleinias. Proceed.~Athenian. Oedipus, as tradition says,
845 11|         nature.~Cleinias. Certainly.~Athenian. May we not think, as I
846 11|           Gods.~Cleinias. Excellent.~Athenian. Every man of any understanding
847 12|     examination and also a good one?~Athenian Stranger. In this way: In
848 12|          more clearly what you mean.~Athenian. O Cleinias, many things
849 12|          them.~Cleinias. What is it?~Athenian. The saying that Lachesis
850 12|            be implanted in anything.~Athenian. But it certainly can be;
851 12|            how is it to be effected?~Athenian. Were we not saying that
852 12|              before?~Cleinias. True.~Athenian. Then, returning to the
853 12|          Cleinias. What do you mean?~Athenian. Now is the time for me
854 12|          will fulfil your intention.~Athenian. Know, Cleinias, that everything,
855 12|              more, what do you mean?~Athenian. The well–being of those
856 12|               Cleinias. How is that?~Athenian. The soul, besides other
857 12|             Cleinias. Yes, Quite so.~Athenian. Yes, indeed; but with what
858 12|          craft?~Cleinias. Very true.~Athenian. We do not want many illustrations
859 12|      salvation?~Cleinias. Very good.~Athenian. Does not the general aim
860 12|           body?~Cleinias. Certainly.~Athenian. And a physician who is
861 12|               Cleinias. They cannot.~Athenian. And what would you say
862 12|           aim?~Cleinias. Impossible.~Athenian. And therefore, if our settlement
863 12|         chance.~Cleinias. Very true.~Athenian. In which, then, of the
864 12|           said was to meet at night.~Athenian. You understand me perfectly,
865 12|          aims.~Cleinias. Quite true.~Athenian. Then now we shall see why
866 12|           rightly said to be virtue.~Athenian. Yes.~Cleinias. And we said
867 12|            virtue was of four kinds?~Athenian. Quite true.~Cleinias. And
868 12|         things ought to have regard?~Athenian. You follow me capitally,
869 12|       Cleinias. We cannot, Stranger.~Athenian. Well, but ought we not
870 12|        Cleinias. For example, where?~Athenian. For example, we were saying
871 12|            one.~Cleinias. Certainly.~Athenian. And further, all four of
872 12|          virtue.~Cleinias. Quite so.~Athenian. There is no difficulty
873 12|           Cleinias. How do you mean?~Athenian. I have no difficulty in
874 12|              more, what do you mean?~Athenian. Ask me what is that one
875 12|              Cleinias. That is true.~Athenian. I have now told you in
876 12|             Cleinias. I suppose not.~Athenian. And is there anything greater
877 12|           there be anything greater?~Athenian. And ought not the interpreters,
878 12|           day?~Cleinias. Wonder! no.~Athenian. Well, then, must we do
879 12|            drift of your comparison?~Athenian. Do we not see that the
880 12|            good, sir, is impossible.~Athenian. Then we ought to proceed
881 12|       preceded.~Cleinias. Certainly.~Athenian. And must not that of which
882 12|       alluding?~Cleinias. Very true.~Athenian. Did we not say that the
883 12|          view to it.~Cleinias. True.~Athenian. And can any one have a
884 12|               Cleinias. Perhaps not.~Athenian. Not “Perhaps not,” but “
885 12|           the way which you propose.~Athenian. Then, as would appear,
886 12|             accomplish your purpose.~Athenian. Wait a little before you
887 12|             what sense they are one.~Athenian. And are they to consider
888 12|             be the state of a slave.~Athenian. And may not the same be
889 12|         nature?~Cleinias. Certainly.~Athenian. Is not the knowledge of
890 12|         should be put away from him.~Athenian. Are we assured that there
891 12|             Cleinias. What are they?~Athenian. One is the argument about
892 12|      Cleinias. But what is the fact?~Athenian. Just the opposite, as I
893 12|          reversed.~Cleinias. How so?~Athenian. No man can be a true worshipper
894 12|              in any degree possible.~Athenian. Let us make a common effort
895 12|          investigated and explained.~Athenian. O Megillus and Cleinias,
896 12|              what new thing is this?~Athenian. In the first place, a list
897 12|           under these circumstances?~Athenian. As the proverb says, the