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501 7 |             our present perplexity.~Cleinias. Excellent, Stranger; let
502 7 |         imagine this to be our law.~Cleinias. Very good.~Athenian. Can
503 7 |           and of his other kinsmen?~Cleinias. Of course.~Athenian. And
504 7 |             our principles of song—~Cleinias. What?~Athenian. That we
505 7 |             that you agree with me.~Cleinias. By all means; that law
506 7 |             Gods when we sacrifice?~Cleinias. Certainly.~Athenian. And
507 7 |           surely be too ridiculous.~Cleinias. Very true.~Athenian. Were
508 7 |          should dwell in our state?~Cleinias. To be sure.~Athenian. And
509 7 |       models relating to the Muses—~Cleinias. What?—will you explain
510 7 |          and model—What do you say?~Cleinias. Let it be so, by all means.~
511 7 |           their several characters.~Cleinias. Certainly.~Athenian. In
512 7 |          this will be very fitting.~Cleinias. Quite true.~Athenian. But
513 7 |             other makes them worse.~Cleinias. Very true.~Athenian. Again,
514 7 |             and quite rightly, too.~Cleinias. Certainly.~Athenian. I
515 7 |           what they are at present.~Cleinias. In what respect?~Athenian.
516 7 |       legislator to make than this?~Cleinias. Very true; yet much of
517 7 |     Athenian. I should wish to say, Cleinias, as I said before, that
518 7 |           some other order of life.~Cleinias. Certainly.~Athenian. And
519 7 |         Megillus. What shall we do, Cleinias? Shall we allow a stranger
520 7 |             Sparta in this fashion?~Cleinias. Yes; for as we have given
521 7 |             Then now I may proceed?~Cleinias. By all means.~Athenian.
522 7 |             be in great difficulty.~Cleinias. What troubles you, Stranger?
523 7 |        Athenian. You naturally ask, Cleinias, and to you and Megillus,
524 7 |           easier parts of the task.~Cleinias. To what do you refer in
525 7 |             many myriads of mouths.~Cleinias. Well, and have we not already
526 7 |            cheer, and not to faint.~Cleinias. Certainly.~Athenian. And
527 7 |             in what they are wrong.~Cleinias. Yes, I do.~Athenian. But
528 7 |     learning is dangerous to youth.~Cleinias. How would you advise the
529 7 |          Athenian. In what respect?~Cleinias. I mean to what pattern
530 7 |        answering.~Athenian. My good Cleinias, I rather think that I am
531 7 |          think that I am fortunate.~Cleinias. How so?~Athenian. I think
532 7 |             letters come to an end.~Cleinias. I do not think, Stranger,
533 7 |       certain.~Athenian. The truth, Cleinias, may be expected to become
534 7 |        whole discussion about laws.~Cleinias. Yes.~Athenian. And now
535 7 |             receive orders from us.~Cleinias. Certainly.~Athenian. I
536 7 |           the teachers of the lyre.~Cleinias. To what do you refer?~Athenian.
537 7 |            by the way of imitation.~Cleinias. Very true.~Athenian. And
538 7 |         them an innocent amusement.~Cleinias. That, again, is true.~Athenian.
539 7 |           exercises—ought they not?~Cleinias. Yes.~Athenian. Then the
540 7 |        mistresses to exercise them.~Cleinias. Very good.~Athenian. Then
541 7 |             of music and gymnastic.~Cleinias. But how will old man be
542 7 |           man is the most cowardly!~Cleinias. Such a want of education,
543 7 |        alike, shall attend to them?~Cleinias. I quite agree.~Athenian.
544 7 |          for the sake of wrestling.~Cleinias. Excellent.~Athenian. Enough
545 7 |      masters, if you do not object.~Cleinias. We can have no hesitation
546 7 |           application of the words.~Cleinias. And what necessities of
547 7 |     contends, or ever will contend.~Cleinias. I think, Stranger, that
548 7 |           to nature.~Athenian. Yes, Cleinias, that is so. But it is difficult
549 7 |          make regulations for them.~Cleinias. You seem, Stranger, to
550 7 |             up, are far more fatal.~Cleinias. True.~Athenian. All freemen,
551 7 |          ludicrous and disgraceful.~Cleinias. What kind of ignorance
552 7 |           mean?~Athenian. O my dear Cleinias, I, like yourself, have
553 7 |        myself, but of all Hellenes.~Cleinias. About what? Say, Stranger,
554 7 |            suppose, what length is?~Cleinias. Certainly.~Athenian. And
555 7 |      Athenian. And what breadth is?~Cleinias. To be sure.~Athenian. And
556 7 |           third thing called depth?~Cleinias. Of course.~Athenian. And
557 7 |      commensurable with themselves?~Cleinias. Yes.~Athenian. That is
558 7 |             like manner with depth?~Cleinias. Undoubtedly.~Athenian.
559 7 |         position in regard to them?~Cleinias. Clearly, far from good.~
560 7 | commensurable with one in some way?~Cleinias. Quite true.~Athenian. But
561 7 |            is no great distinction?~Cleinias. Certainly.~Athenian. And
562 7 |          errors of the same family.~Cleinias. What are they?~Athenian.
563 7 |             man’s game of draughts.~Cleinias. I dare say; and these pastimes
564 7 |           And these, as I maintain, Cleinias, are the studies which our
565 7 |             say what he has to say.~Cleinias. Certainly.~Athenian. Then
566 7 |             they shall be excluded.~Cleinias. Assuredly: but may we not
567 7 |             or you who accept them.~Cleinias. A fair condition.~Athenian.
568 7 |             proposed for our youth.~Cleinias. Proceed.~Athenian. Here
569 7 |         point of view be tolerated.~Cleinias. To what are you referring?~
570 7 |         very opposite is the truth.~Cleinias. What do you mean?~Athenian.
571 7 |         abstain from expressing it.~Cleinias. Your words are reasonable
572 7 |         Gods, the Sun and the Moon.~Cleinias. Lies of what nature?~Athenian.
573 7 |          them planets or wanderers.~Cleinias. Very true, Stranger; and
574 7 |     Athenian. Just so, Megillus and Cleinias; and I maintain that our
575 7 |            to blaspheme about them.~Cleinias. There you are right if
576 7 |            old men like yourselves.~Cleinias. True; but what is this
577 7 |            ludicrous and erroneous?~Cleinias. Worse than ludicrous, I
578 7 |             a false report of them.~Cleinias. Most true, if such is the
579 7 |           let this be our decision.~Cleinias. Very good.~Athenian. Enough
580 7 |             education are complete.~Cleinias. Very good.~  ~
581 8 |             partly regulated by us.~Cleinias. The number—yes.~Athenian.
582 8 |            the art of self–defence?~Cleinias. The way which you mention
583 8 |             than the loss of a few.~Cleinias. We are quite agreed, Stranger,
584 8 |      mankind and their legislators?~Cleinias. Perhaps.~Athenian. Certainly
585 8 |      Athenian. Certainly not, sweet Cleinias; there are two causes, which
586 8 |         account for the deficiency.~Cleinias. What are they?~Athenian.
587 8 |         gratification of his lusts.~Cleinias. True.~Athenian. Let this,
588 8 |           but they are unfortunate.~Cleinias. What do you mean?~Athenian.
589 8 |      through life always hungering?~Cleinias. Then that is one cause,
590 8 |         Thank you for reminding me.~Cleinias. The insatiable life long
591 8 |       because I am in a perplexity?~Cleinias. No; but we think that you
592 8 |         That is a very fair rebuke, Cleinias; and I will now proceed
593 8 |        proceed to the second cause.~Cleinias. Proceed.~Athenian. I say
594 8 |    perfected according to our idea.~Cleinias. True.~Athenian. Then next
595 8 |           of running and swiftness.~Cleinias. Very good.~Athenian. Certainly
596 8 |           need vigour and strength.~Cleinias. Very true.~Athenian. Neither
597 8 |            efficiency without arms.~Cleinias. How can they?~Athenian.
598 8 |           to the conqueror in each.~Cleinias. Very good.~Athenian. Let
599 8 |          and following reason only.~Cleinias. What is this, Stranger,
600 8 |           so great a danger? Truly, Cleinias, here is a difficulty. In
601 8 |           difficulty and obscurity.~Cleinias. How is that?~Athenian.
602 8 |            we term the excess love.~Cleinias. Very true.~Athenian. The
603 8 |            your custom any further. Cleinias shall be prevailed upon
604 8 |            not beyond human nature?~Cleinias. By all means.~Athenian.
605 8 |     condition, and out of training?~Cleinias. He will be far more temperate
606 8 |           and many others; and yet, Cleinias, they were far worse educated
607 8 |        their bodies far more lusty.~Cleinias. No doubt this fact has
608 8 |        tales and sayings and songs?~Cleinias. Of what victory are you
609 8 |      inferior people have mastered?~Cleinias. I dare say.~Athenian. And
610 8 |            second law against them.~Cleinias. And what law would you
611 8 |          failed?~Athenian. Clearly, Cleinias, the one which would naturally
612 8 |             would naturally follow.~Cleinias. What is that?~Athenian.
613 8 |             them not to transgress.~Cleinias. What are they?~Athenian.
614 8 |            gladly receive this law. Cleinias shall speak for himself,
615 8 |            you what is his opinion.~Cleinias. I will, Megillus, when
616 8 |          point of view of unequals.~Cleinias. What do you mean?~Athenian.
617 8 |         better and sometimes worse.~Cleinias. Of course.~Athenian. Such
618 9 |           to be the judges of them.~Cleinias. Very good.~Athenian Stranger.
619 9 |      fortune than his predecessors!~Cleinias. Very good.~Athenian. Once
620 9 |            set free from his bonds.~Cleinias. What makes you say, Stranger,
621 9 |            was running on too fast, Cleinias, and you impinged upon me,
622 9 |            doctor, but to get well.~Cleinias. And would he not be right?~
623 9 |       rather a telling observation.~Cleinias. Very true.~Athenian. But
624 9 |     Athenian. But we are fortunate.~Cleinias. In what way?~Athenian.
625 9 |        necessary—which shall we do?~Cleinias. There is something ridiculous,
626 9 |            Certainly, in that case, Cleinias, our view of law will be
627 9 |            entreat you to consider.~Cleinias. What is it?~Athenian. There
628 9 |           well as by other persons.~Cleinias. To be sure.~Athenian. Shall
629 9 |             heed to them above all?~Cleinias. Yes; to them far above
630 9 |             who intend to be happy?~Cleinias. Certainly not.~Athenian.
631 9 |          gracious, it will be good!~Cleinias. Excellent; let us do as
632 9 |             consider these matters.~Cleinias. By all means.~Athenian.
633 9 |          disagree among themselves.~Cleinias. What are the inconsistencies
634 9 |          any inconsistency in this.~Cleinias. They would be quite right.~
635 9 |       correlatives of just actions.~Cleinias. And what is the inference?~
636 9 |            the fair and honourable.~Cleinias. Certainly.~Athenian. And
637 9 |           consistently carried out?~Cleinias. True.~Athenian. But then
638 9 |            the honourable disagree?~Cleinias. What do you mean?~Athenian.
639 9 |      opposed to what we are saying.~Cleinias. To what?~Athenian. We had
640 9 |             diametrical opposition?~Cleinias. Such appears to be the
641 9 |            the honourable and just.~Cleinias. Very true, Stranger.~Athenian.
642 9 |       Stranger.~Athenian. Then now, Cleinias, let us see how far we ourselves
643 9 |     consistent about these matters.~Cleinias. Consistent in what?~Athenian.
644 9 |          did not, let me now state—~Cleinias. What?~Athenian. That all
645 9 |           draw a further inference.~Cleinias. What is it?~Athenian. That
646 9 |   inconsistent with myself, if you, Cleinias, and you, Megillus, say
647 9 |           thing as voluntary crime?~Cleinias. Very good, Stranger; and
648 9 |            the first place, let us—~Cleinias. Do what?~Athenian. Let
649 9 |         fitly or unfitly inflicted.~Cleinias. I agree with you, Stranger;
650 9 |           distinction between them.~Cleinias. Very true, Stranger; there
651 9 |          voluntary and involuntary.~Cleinias. Certainly.~Athenian. I
652 9 |           going to say; for I deny, Cleinias and Megillus, that he who
653 9 |             to those of friendship.~Cleinias. Very good.~Athenian. Then
654 9 |            the following direction.~Cleinias. What direction?~Athenian.
655 9 |             punishment of offences.~Cleinias. What you have said appears
656 9 |        force overturns many things.~Cleinias. Very true.~Athenian. And
657 9 |            of deceit in all things.~Cleinias. Quite true.~Athenian. A
658 9 |          most merciful of all laws.~Cleinias. You are perfectly right.~
659 9 |             them; and this is true.~Cleinias. Certainly.~Athenian. But
660 9 |      another inferior to ignorance.~Cleinias. Very true.~Athenian. We
661 9 |        directions at the same time.~Cleinias. Yes, often.~Athenian. And
662 9 |          denominate anger and fear.~Cleinias. Quite right.~Athenian.
663 9 |             make laws of two kinds.~Cleinias. What are the two kinds?~
664 9 |            a character of severity.~Cleinias. Naturally.~Athenian. And
665 9 |            be the rule of our laws.~Cleinias. Certainly.~Athenian. Let
666 9 |            desires, and jealousies.~Cleinias. Very good.~Athenian. Let
667 9 |              is next to impossible.~Cleinias. Then what is to be the
668 9 |            must decide for himself.~Cleinias. And what ought the legislator
669 10|             sacrifices and prayers.~Cleinias. What shall we say or do
670 10|  superiority will utter against us.~Cleinias. What jests?~Athenian. They
671 10|           to accept our challenge.”~Cleinias. But is there any difficulty
672 10|             How would you prove it?~Cleinias. How? In the first place,
673 10|           love of sensual pleasure.~Cleinias. Why, Stranger, what other
674 10|       atmosphere would never guess.~Cleinias. What is it?~Athenian. A
675 10|             be the greatest wisdom.~Cleinias. What do you mean?~Athenian.
676 10|           words and a make–believe.~Cleinias. One such teacher, O Stranger,
677 10|           the requisite enactments.~Cleinias. Yes, Stranger; but then
678 10|             truth of these matters.~Cleinias. Our address, Stranger,
679 10|            Quite true, Megillus and Cleinias, but I am afraid that we
680 10|      lighted on a strange doctrine.~Cleinias. What doctrine do you mean?~
681 10|             in the opinion of many.~Cleinias. I wish that you would speak
682 10|            art, and some by chance.~Cleinias. Is not that true?~Athenian.
683 10|           them and their disciples.~Cleinias. By all means.~Athenian.
684 10|        generally termed artificial.~Cleinias. How is that?~Athenian.
685 10|     assumptions which are not true.~Cleinias. How do you mean?~Athenian.
686 10|           legal subjection to them.~Cleinias. What a dreadful picture,
687 10|           families!~Athenian. True, Cleinias; but then what should the
688 10|           of them as far as he can?~Cleinias. Why, Stranger, if such
689 10|      Athenian. Yes, my enthusiastic Cleinias; but are not these things
690 10|            a dismal length of time?~Cleinias. Why, Stranger, shall we,
691 10|     Megillus. Stranger, I like what Cleinias is saying.~Athenian. Yes,
692 10|      Athenian. Well, then, tell me, Cleinias—for I must ask you to be
693 10|            is what he really means.~Cleinias. Very true.~Athenian. Then,
694 10|         that is my opinion of them.~Cleinias. You are right; but I should
695 10|         argument may seem singular.~Cleinias. Do not hesitate, Stranger;
696 10|            true nature of the Gods.~Cleinias. Still I do not understand
697 10|        which appertain to the body?~Cleinias. Certainly.~Athenian. Then
698 10|         government of art and mind.~Cleinias. But why is the word “nature”
699 10|            body, but not otherwise.~Cleinias. You are quite right.~Athenian.
700 10|       attention should be directed?~Cleinias. By all means.~Athenian.
701 10|          soul is prior to the body.~Cleinias. Excellent, Stranger, and
702 10|      exception, my friends, of two?~Cleinias. Which are they?~Athenian.
703 10|       present enquiry is concerned.~Cleinias. Speak plainer.~Athenian.
704 10|          has reference to the soul?~Cleinias. Very true.~Athenian. Let
705 10|           the many kinds of motion.~Cleinias. Granted.~Athenian. And
706 10|         inclined to call the tenth.~Cleinias. Certainly.~Athenian. And
707 10|       mightiest and most efficient?~Cleinias. I must say that the motion
708 10|            what I have been saying?~Cleinias. What are they?~Athenian.
709 10|         that was not quite correct.~Cleinias. What was the error?~Athenian.
710 10|             termed the ninth by us.~Cleinias. What do you mean?~Athenian.
711 10|          the self–moving principle?~Cleinias. Very true, and I quite
712 10|         first spring up among them?~Cleinias. Clearly the self–moving;
713 10|          yet moves other is second.~Cleinias. Quite true.~Athenian. At
714 10|     argument let us put a question.~Cleinias. What question?~Athenian.
715 10|          how should we describe it?~Cleinias. You mean to ask whether
716 10|         power life?~Athenian. I do.~Cleinias. Certainly we should.~Athenian.
717 10|            admit that this is life?~Cleinias. We must.~Athenian. And
718 10|      threefold knowledge of things?~Cleinias. What do you mean?~Athenian.
719 10|           be raised about anything.~Cleinias. How two?~Athenian. Sometimes
720 10|            what I mean in this way.~Cleinias. How?~Athenian. Number like
721 10|    divisible into two equal parts”?~Cleinias. True.~Athenian. I mean,
722 10|       divided into two equal parts.~Cleinias. Quite true.~Athenian. And
723 10|       motion which can move itself?~Cleinias. You mean to say that the
724 10|           and motion in all things?~Cleinias. Certainly not; the soul
725 10|        number which you may prefer?~Cleinias. Exactly.~Athenian. Then
726 10|           soul, which is the ruler?~Cleinias. Nothing can be more true.~
727 10|         prior to those of the body?~Cleinias. Certainly.~Athenian. Then
728 10|          soul is prior to the body.~Cleinias. To be sure.~Athenian. In
729 10|            the cause of all things?~Cleinias. We must.~Athenian. And
730 10|            orders also the heavens?~Cleinias. Of course.~Athenian. One
731 10|              and the other of evil.~Cleinias. Very true.~Athenian. Yes,
732 10|             still entertain doubts?~Cleinias. There is no room at all
733 10|            make answer as follows:—~Cleinias. How would you answer?~Athenian.
734 10|             it along the good path.~Cleinias. True.~Athenian. But if
735 10|            the evil soul guides it.~Cleinias. True again.~Athenian. Of
736 10|          assist you in framing one.~Cleinias. Very good.~Athenian. Then
737 10|             look at the image only.~Cleinias. What do you mean?~Athenian.
738 10|         answer on behalf of us all.~Cleinias. That will be excellent.~
739 10|        either at rest or in motion?~Cleinias. I do.~Athenian. And that
740 10|            others in more than one?~Cleinias. Yes.~Athenian. Of these
741 10|          circular movement of mind.~Cleinias. What do you mean?~Athenian.
742 10|         discredit to our ingenuity.~Cleinias. It does us great credit.~
743 10|            senselessness and folly?~Cleinias. That is most true.~Athenian.
744 10|           revolution of the heaven.~Cleinias. And judging from what has
745 10|   understood my meaning right well, Cleinias, and now let me ask you
746 10|           ask you another question.~Cleinias. What are you going to ask?~
747 10|            each individual of them?~Cleinias. Certainly.~Athenian. Then
748 10|         argument will apply to all.~Cleinias. Which will you take?~Athenian.
749 10|      apprehend the following point.~Cleinias. What is that?~Athenian.
750 10|          one of three alternatives.~Cleinias. What are they?~Athenian.
751 10|  extraordinary and wonderful power.~Cleinias. Yes, certainly; the soul
752 10|             man to be deemed a God.~Cleinias. Yes, by every man who has
753 10|            all things full of Gods?~Cleinias. No one, Stranger, would
754 10|     Athenian. And now, Megillus and Cleinias, let us offer terms to him
755 10|            the Gods, and leave him.~Cleinias. What terms?~Athenian. Either
756 10|           deny that there are Gods.~Cleinias. Certainly—quite enough,
757 10|            And do you, Megillus and Cleinias, answer for the young man
758 10|            river as I did just now.~Cleinias. Very good; do as you say,
759 10|           entirely natural to them.~Cleinias. No doubt he heard that.~
760 10|           and the contrary to vice?~Cleinias. Certainly.~Athenian. Yes;
761 10|              and cowardice of vice?~Cleinias. True.~Athenian. And the
762 10|            the other dishonourable?~Cleinias. To be sure.~Athenian. And
763 10|            in anything of the sort?~Cleinias. That again is what everybody
764 10|         virtues? What do you think?~Cleinias. Decidedly not.~Athenian.
765 10|           under the opposite class?~Cleinias. Yes.~Athenian. And their
766 10|           under the opposite class?~Cleinias. Yes.~Athenian. But are
767 10|       compares to stingless drones?~Cleinias. And the comparison is a
768 10|             tolerated for a moment.~Cleinias. Of course not. How could
769 10|         from one of two principles.~Cleinias. What are they?~Athenian.
770 10|     strength or capacity to manage?~Cleinias. Certainly not.~Athenian.
771 10|       knowledge:—do you admit this?~Cleinias. Yes.~Athenian. And do you
772 10|             and immortals can have?~Cleinias. They will, of course, admit
773 10|          they are good and perfect?~Cleinias. Assuredly.~Athenian. But,
774 10|           inactivity and indolence.~Cleinias. Most true.~Athenian. Then
775 10|            is no cowardice in them.~Cleinias. That is very true.~Athenian.
776 10|          opposite of their knowing?~Cleinias. There is none.~Athenian.
777 10|             by pleasures and pains?~Cleinias. Impossible.~Athenian. Do
778 10|           religious of all animals?~Cleinias. That is not to be denied.~
779 10|            whole of heaven belongs?~Cleinias. Certainly.~Athenian. And,
780 10|            a further consideration.~Cleinias. What is it?~Athenian. Sensation
781 10|          their case and difficulty.~Cleinias. What do you mean?~Athenian.
782 10|            than of their opposites.~Cleinias. Far more.~Athenian. Suppose
783 10|             parts which are lesser?~Cleinias. Decidedly not well.~Athenian.
784 10|            well without the lesser.~Cleinias. Of course not.~Athenian.
785 10|            but to the greater only.~Cleinias. Never, Stranger, let us
786 10|         accuse the Gods of neglect.~Cleinias. Yes.~Athenian. He has been
787 10|          some words of consolation.~Cleinias. What consolation will you
788 10|          them their proper portion.~Cleinias. In what way do you mean?~
789 10|            a wonderfully easy task.~Cleinias. How so?~Athenian. I will
790 10|             the nature of his soul.~Cleinias. Yes, that is probably true.~
791 10|     discourse respecting either. If Cleinias and this our reverend company
792 10|            the utmost of his power.~Cleinias. Very good; let us do as
793 10|       unceasingly the whole heaven?~Cleinias. True.~Athenian. And to
794 10|           name, which is injustice.~Cleinias. Quite true.~Athenian. What
795 10|             propitiated argue thus?~Cleinias. Precisely so.~Athenian.
796 10|     overturn both ship and sailors?~Cleinias. Assuredly not.~Athenian.
797 10|          victory to other chariots?~Cleinias. That would be a fearful
798 10|            have silenced by wolves.~Cleinias. A thing not to be spoken
799 10|        guard our highest interests?~Cleinias. Yes; the chiefest.~Athenian.
800 10|           men impiously offer them?~Cleinias. Certainly not: nor is such
801 10|           May we say that they are?~Cleinias. You have our entire assent
802 10|           men; and I will tell dear Cleinias, why I am so. I would not
803 10|           have been spoken in vain.~Cleinias. So let us hope; and even
804 11|             a great deal of virtue.~Cleinias. What do you mean?~Athenian
805 11|             Athenian Stranger. Dear Cleinias, the class of men is small—
806 11|             intestate. When I said, Cleinias, that we must regulate them,
807 11|           that we are about to die.~Cleinias. What do you mean, Stranger?~
808 11|         mean, Stranger?~Athenian. O Cleinias, a man when he is about
809 11|          trouble to the legislator.~Cleinias. In what way?~Athenian.
810 11|           and will use angry words.~Cleinias. Such as what?~Athenian.
811 11|        every other sort of fortune!~Cleinias. Well Stranger, and may
812 11|            Athenian. In my opinion, Cleinias, the ancient legislators
813 11|      consideration of human things.~Cleinias. What do you mean?~Athenian.
814 11|             our departing citizens.~Cleinias. What?~Athenian. O my friends,
815 11|            to the living and dying, Cleinias, and let the law be as follows:~
816 11|        ignorance imposes upon them.~Cleinias. And how, Stranger, can
817 11|           and the subjects of them.~Cleinias. What do you mean?~Athenian.
818 11|          show true service to them.~Cleinias. And what do you call the
819 11|             are worth listening to.~Cleinias. Proceed.~Athenian. Oedipus,
820 11|           contrary to their nature.~Cleinias. Certainly.~Athenian. May
821 11|             the favour of the Gods.~Cleinias. Excellent.~Athenian. Every
822 11|            we must do, Megillus and Cleinias, in the best and fairest
823 12|       examination is ill–conducted.~Cleinias. How can we have an examination
824 12|             creation is incomplete.~Cleinias. That is very good Stranger;
825 12|          what you mean.~Athenian. O Cleinias, many things of old time
826 12|          the Fates was one of them.~Cleinias. What is it?~Athenian. The
827 12|           this irreversible nature.~Cleinias. It will be no small matter
828 12|              so much I clearly see.~Cleinias. Then let us not think of
829 12|             the same mind with you.~Cleinias. Very good: And now what,
830 12|             sort said by us before?~Cleinias. True.~Athenian. Then, returning
831 12|           that we wish to preserve.~Cleinias. What do you mean?~Athenian.
832 12|           truth in all earnestness.~Cleinias. Well said, and I hope that
833 12|          intention.~Athenian. Know, Cleinias, that everything, in all
834 12|             are the chief saviours.~Cleinias. Once more, what do you
835 12| preservation of every living thing.~Cleinias. How is that?~Athenian.
836 12|        called the salvation of all.~Cleinias. Yes, Quite so.~Athenian.
837 12|         themselves and their craft?~Cleinias. Very true.~Athenian. We
838 12|        seeking to attain salvation?~Cleinias. Very good.~Athenian. Does
839 12|       producing health in the body?~Cleinias. Certainly.~Athenian. And
840 12|         about any of these matters.~Cleinias. They cannot.~Athenian.
841 12|         does not even know the aim?~Cleinias. Impossible.~Athenian. And
842 12|             proceed by mere chance.~Cleinias. Very true.~Athenian. In
843 12|            to be found? Can we say?~Cleinias. I am not quite certain,
844 12|            understand me perfectly, Cleinias; and we must assume, as
845 12|           this to fix all our aims.~Cleinias. Quite true.~Athenian. Then
846 12|         would have all things look.~Cleinias. Then, Stranger, our former
847 12|           be virtue.~Athenian. Yes.~Cleinias. And we said that virtue
848 12|        kinds?~Athenian. Quite true.~Cleinias. And that mind was the leader
849 12|            You follow me capitally, Cleinias, and I would ask you to
850 12|             you, Megillus, and you, Cleinias, say distinctly what is
851 12|             which I have given you?~Cleinias. We cannot, Stranger.~Athenian.
852 12|            where it is to be found?~Cleinias. For example, where?~Athenian.
853 12|           each of them must be one.~Cleinias. Certainly.~Athenian. And
854 12|           but one, that is, virtue.~Cleinias. Quite so.~Athenian. There
855 12|          the single name of virtue.~Cleinias. How do you mean?~Athenian.
856 12|      subject questions and answers.~Cleinias. Once more, what do you
857 12|           is of a different nature.~Cleinias. That is true.~Athenian.
858 12|      glorious truths are concerned?~Cleinias. I suppose not.~Athenian.
859 12|        temperance, wisdom, justice?~Cleinias. How can there be anything
860 12|          fate of cities in our day?~Cleinias. Wonder! no.~Athenian. Well,
861 12|   possessing such a guardian power?~Cleinias. What, Stranger, is the
862 12|             training and education?~Cleinias. That they should be equal,
863 12|             any which has preceded.~Cleinias. Certainly.~Athenian. And
864 12|             were just now alluding?~Cleinias. Very true.~Athenian. Did
865 12|           things with a view to it.~Cleinias. True.~Athenian. And can
866 12|         from many different things?~Cleinias. Perhaps not.~Athenian.
867 12|         this discovered by any man.~Cleinias. I bow to your authority,
868 12|          the matter alone, we will.~Cleinias. We must not, Stranger,
869 12|             has to be accomplished.~Cleinias. Certainly, it ought to
870 12|           in what way they are one?~Cleinias. They must consider also
871 12|          set forth what they think?~Cleinias. Certainly not; that would
872 12|          well, according to nature?~Cleinias. Certainly.~Athenian. Is
873 12|           laboured at these things.~Cleinias. It is certainly just, as
874 12|             we have already stated?~Cleinias. What are they?~Athenian.
875 12|            will accomplishing good.~Cleinias. But what is the fact?~Athenian.
876 12|         said, the case is reversed.~Cleinias. How so?~Athenian. No man
877 12|            other rulers. Wherefore, Cleinias and Megillus, let us consider
878 12|              Shall we propose this?~Cleinias. Certainly, my good friend,
879 12|          others who will also help.~Cleinias. I agree, Stranger, that
880 12|            Athenian. O Megillus and Cleinias, about these matters we
881 12|        rightly in a long discourse.~Cleinias. What do you mean, and what
882 12|         they would have no meaning.~Cleinias. What then are we to do,
883 12|             and I would advise you, Cleinias, in particular, to see to
884 12|             in them.~Megillus. Dear Cleinias, after all that has been
885 12|            give up the undertaking.~Cleinias. Very true, Megillus; and