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   1 Menex|               Sardis, and he sent 500,000 men in transports and vessels
   2 Menex|               and vessels of war, and 300 ships, and Datis as commander,
   3 Menex|           against Sardis, and he sent 500,000 men in transports and
   4 Menex|             there was quiet and peace abroad, but there sprang up war
   5 Menex|              do we propose to draw an absolute line of demarcation between
   6 Menex|             Homer, in the reductio ad absurdum of the doctrine that vice
   7 Menex|            order your lives as not to abuse or waste the reputation
   8 Menex|       frequenter of the groves of the Academy, during the last twenty
   9 Menex|            his son, who ruled all the accessible part of Egypt and Libya;
  10 Menex|           contemporary transferred by accident to the more celebrated name
  11 Menex|          there are any foreigners who accompany me to the speech, I become
  12 Menex|              that she will of her own accord take care of them, and does
  13 Menex|               the barbarians, and did accordingly. This was our feeling, while
  14 Menex|           desired to bring a deserved accusation against our city, he would
  15 Menex|               history. It exhibits an acquaintance with the funeral oration
  16 Menex|              needs, and taught us the acquisition and use of arms for the
  17 Menex|           continent, for that was the action to which the Hellenes looked
  18 Menex|             age of great intellectual activity, as well as of political
  19 Menex|              in a manner becoming the actors. And first I will tell how
  20 Menex|           upon Homer, in the reductio ad absurdum of the doctrine
  21 Menex|              writings of Plato I have added the First Alcibiades, which,
  22 Menex|              property of each; and in addition to this, holding gymnastic
  23 Menex|           attributed to Socrates. The address of the dead to the living
  24 Menex|              compared to the numerous addresses of the same kind which occur
  25 Menex|              corresponding feeling of admiration at me, and at the greatness
  26 Menex|        SOCRATES: Well, and do you not admire her, and are you not grateful
  27 Menex|             elsewhere, is not slow to admit a sort of Aristophanic humour.
  28 Menex|     alternative which must be frankly admitted. Nor can we maintain of
  29 Menex|              pure Hellenes, having no admixture of barbarism in us. For
  30 Menex|            praise the dead and gently admonish the living, exhorting the
  31 Menex|             considerations lead us to adopt the following criteria of
  32 Menex|              office, if you allow and advise that I should, but not if
  33 Menex|        several of his contemporaries. Aeschines, Euclid, Phaedo, Antisthenes,
  34 Menex|          considerations which equally affect all evidence to the genuineness
  35 Menex|        portion scarcely in any degree affects our judgment of Plato, either
  36 Menex|             in which a motive or some affinity to spurious writings can
  37 Menex|             of which we are unable to affirm either that they are genuine
  38 Menex|           Menexenus? Are you from the Agora?~MENEXENUS: Yes, Socrates;
  39 Menex|             and freed those whom they aided, and were the first too
  40 Menex|             Boeotians, whom they were aiding, on the third day after
  41 Menex|              compare the Ion as being akin both in subject and treatment;
  42 Menex|                the ‘literary hack’ of Alexandria and Athens, the Gods did
  43 Menex|             and last and constant and all-absorbing aim, to exceed, if possible,
  44 Menex|               us, as the price of his alliance with us and the other allies,
  45 Menex|               with whom they had been allied in the war against the barbarians.
  46 Menex|             city and wanting to stand aloof, when he saw the Lacedaemonians
  47 Menex|       altogether spurious;—that is an alternative which must be frankly admitted.
  48 Menex|             Let not either of the two alternatives happen, but rather let them
  49 Menex|           partly genuine; they may be altogether spurious;—that is an alternative
  50 Menex|          invasion of Eumolpus and the Amazons, or of their defence of
  51      | amongst
  52 Menex|            Plato, notwithstanding the anachronism which puts into her mouth
  53 Menex|      Shakespeare, is careless of such anachronisms, which are not supposed
  54 Menex|            not because of the private anger of the state destroy the
  55 Menex|               that my mistress may be angry with me if I publish her
  56 Menex|            Hellenes, in their extreme animosity towards the city, should
  57 Menex|              allusion to the peace of Antalcidas, an event occurring forty
  58 Menex|         Phaedrus Plato shows a strong antipathy, he is entirely successful,
  59 Menex|            Aeschines, Euclid, Phaedo, Antisthenes, and in the next generation
  60 Menex|             mention of Theages in the Apology and Republic; or as the
  61 Menex|              mixed character which is apparent in Aristotle and Hippocrates,
  62 Menex|           saying, “Nothing too much,” appeared to be, and really was, well
  63 Menex|          character; and the name once appended easily obtained authority.
  64 Menex|         difficulty in a man’s winning applause when he is contending for
  65 Menex|             of the best which has the approval of the many. For kings we
  66 Menex|             but I believe that either Archinus or Dion will be chosen.~
  67 Menex|               slow to admit a sort of Aristophanic humour. How a great original
  68 Menex|               several duties, in full armour clad; and bringing freshly
  69 Menex|            rule over their own houses arrayed in the strength and arms
  70 Menex|               principles we appear to arrive at the conclusion that nineteen-twentieths
  71 Menex|             sea fights at Salamis and Artemisium; for of them, too, one might
  72 Menex|              and instructed us in the arts for the supply of our daily
  73 Menex|        Council? And yet I need hardly ask, for I see that you, believing
  74 Menex|              weary of the war at sea, asked of us, as the price of his
  75 Menex|               the next generation who aspired to imitate his master. Not
  76 Menex|             many things to say—of the assaults which they endured by sea
  77 Menex|          alike yield to valour. And I assert that those men are the fathers
  78 Menex|                although not strongly, asserted.~Whether the Menexenus is
  79 Menex|      dialogues, whether the author is asserting or overthrowing the paradox
  80 Menex|       Marathon. To them, therefore, I assign in my speech the first place,
  81 Menex|               she refused to give the assistance of the state, for she could
  82 Menex|             transparent.~The ironical assumption of Socrates, that he must
  83 Menex|          their future life, and to be assured that they will not please
  84 Menex|         mention of Cleitophon and his attachment to Thrasymachus in the Republic;
  85 Menex|          reconciled. For they did not attack one another out of malice
  86 Menex|               invincible, even though attacked by all mankind. And that
  87 Menex|              greatest good, they have attained. A mortal man cannot expect
  88 Menex|               be the condition of the attainment of your aim, and know that
  89 Menex|            destined journey they were attended on their way by the state
  90 Menex|          genuineness of ancient Greek authors may be summed up under two
  91 Menex|               themselves, namely, the Axiochus, De justo, De virtute, Demodocus,
  92 Menex|                having no admixture of barbarism in us. For we are not like
  93 Menex|          other hand, can we exclude a bare possibility that some dialogues
  94 Menex|               brought forth wheat and barley for human food, which is
  95 Menex|               their own safety in the battles which ensued: they became
  96 Menex|              time to show that he can beat the rhetoricians in their
  97 Menex|          expresses that he will get a beating from his mistress, Aspasia:
  98      | becoming
  99 Menex|         jealousy of her, and jealousy begat envy, and so she became
 100      | behind
 101 Menex|              ask, for I see that you, believing yourself to have arrived
 102 Menex|              of such a one the wealth belongs to another, and not to himself.
 103      | below
 104 Menex|      seriousness. And in their name I beseech you, the children, to imitate
 105      | beyond
 106 Menex|               intention, expecting to bind the Athenians in the same
 107 Menex|          publication, or printing, or binding, or even of distinct titles.
 108 Menex|               negotiations with their bitterest enemy, the king of Persia,
 109 Menex|               may also be observed to blend the works and opinions of
 110 Menex|          living in the Islands of the Blest. Such is the art of our
 111 Menex|               war, and our ships were blockaded at Mitylene. But the citizens
 112 Menex|              was the veritable tie of blood, which created among them
 113 Menex|            argument ‘whither the wind blows.’ That no conclusion is
 114 Menex|           does beauty and strength of body, when dwelling in a base
 115 Menex|        history. The war of Athens and Boeotia is a war of liberation;
 116 Menex|            olive to spring up to be a boon to her children, and to
 117 Menex|               soldiers, coming to the borders of Eretria and spreading
 118 Menex|               the thoughts are partly borrowed from the Funeral Oration
 119 Menex|             received them, and in her bosom they now repose. It is meet
 120 Menex|         Darius, who extended the land boundaries of the empire to Scythia,
 121 Menex|           they bear their misfortunes bravely, will be truly deemed brave
 122 Menex|             that you strive to be the bravest of men. And I think that
 123 Menex|             with the Hellenes. On the breaking out of war, our citizens
 124 Menex|             government, which I ought briefly to commemorate. For government
 125 Menex|              in full armour clad; and bringing freshly to their minds the
 126 Menex|             entered into the war, and built walls and ships, and fought
 127 Menex|            had fallen, and that their business was to subject the remaining
 128 Menex|               the Argives against the Cadmeians, or of the Heracleids against
 129 Menex|              descendants of Pelops or Cadmus or Egyptus or Danaus, who
 130 Menex|               engagements. And what I call the terrible and desperate
 131 Menex|              their public and private capacity many noble deeds famous
 132 Menex|           Plato, like Shakespeare, is careless of such anachronisms, which
 133 Menex|              guardian—ever and always caring for them. Considering this,
 134 Menex|        evidence, which though in many cases sufficient, is of inferior
 135 Menex|     falsifying persons and dates, and casting a veil over the gloomier
 136 Menex|              evil, having made common cause with the barbarians, depriving
 137 Menex|           whether of ships or men, to cease among them. And so the soldiers
 138 Menex|               for the dead, she never ceases honouring them, celebrating
 139 Menex|             you of them, and you must celebrate them together with me, and
 140 Menex|          never ceases honouring them, celebrating in common for all rites
 141 Menex|        Persian war usually formed the centre of the narrative; in the
 142 Menex|      otherwise. I went to the council chamber because I heard that the
 143 Menex|         thinking that we who were the champions of liberty had fallen, and
 144 Menex|            survivors, if any, who may chance to be alive of the previous
 145 Menex|             allow that a considerable change and growth may have taken
 146 Menex|             suspense on other men, or changing with the vicissitude of
 147 Menex|                he would find only one charge which he could justly urge—
 148 Menex|           barbarians at Marathon, and chastened the pride of the whole of
 149 Menex|                parents, to be of good cheer about yourselves; for we
 150 Menex|            our sons: let her worthily cherish the old age of our parents,
 151 Menex|           overbalanced by the weight (chiefly) of internal evidence in
 152 Menex|              the third century before Christ was almost as voluminous
 153 Menex|       attributed to Plato, but in his citation of both of them he seems
 154 Menex|               Those writings which he cites without mentioning Plato,
 155 Menex|        several duties, in full armour clad; and bringing freshly to
 156 Menex|               appear to have the next claim to genuineness among the
 157 Menex|            praise which may be fairly claimed by her, is that at the time
 158 Menex|            off imperceptibly from one class to another. There may have
 159 Menex|              really occurring in some classical author, are also of doubtful
 160 Menex|           both of them. Though a very clever and ingenious work, the
 161 Menex|             learnt of Aspasia, is not coarse, as Schleiermacher supposes,
 162 Menex|              of our ships or walls or colonies; the enemy was only too
 163 Menex|              number and valour of the combatants, and third in the salvation
 164 Menex|         proved to be a forgery, which combines excellence with length.
 165 Menex|            this manner: his soldiers, coming to the borders of Eretria
 166 Menex|               300 ships, and Datis as commander, telling him to bring the
 167 Menex|              which I ought briefly to commemorate. For government is the nurture
 168 Menex|              glory, and therefore any commemoration of their deeds in prose
 169 Menex|               to their favourite loci communes, one of which, as we find
 170 Menex|          justly urge—that she was too compassionate and too favourable to the
 171 Menex|             natural equality of birth compels us to seek for legal equality,
 172 Menex|              woman, should be able to compose such a speech; she must
 173 Menex|             yesterday I heard Aspasia composing a funeral oration about
 174 Menex|               be partly or wholly the compositions of pupils; or they may have
 175 Menex|           embellished words; in every conceivable form they praise the city;
 176 Menex|             satirical opening and the concluding words bear a great resemblance
 177 Menex|            your aim let virtue be the condition of the attainment of your
 178 Menex|              of all sorts and unequal conditions of men, and therefore their
 179 Menex|               as possible, and not to condole with one another; for they
 180 Menex|           ships, and their valour was confessed of all men, for they conquered
 181 Menex|             be adduced. And we are as confident that the Epistles are spurious,
 182 Menex|               Thucydides and Lysias), conformed to a regular type. They
 183 Menex|             do; and besides her I had Connus, the son of Metrobius, as
 184 Menex|             Hellenes, that they could conquer single-handed those with
 185 Menex|             them; but we were our own conquerors, and received defeat at
 186 Menex|             speech, I become suddenly conscious of having a sort of triumph
 187 Menex|             wonderful than ever. This consciousness of dignity lasts me more
 188 Menex|             of thought, can hardly be considered decisive of their spurious
 189 Menex|             imitate their virtue, and consoling their fathers and mothers
 190 Menex|             making the possessor more conspicuous, and manifesting forth his
 191 Menex|           because, as he said, we had conspired against Sardis, and he sent
 192 Menex|               your first and last and constant and all-absorbing aim, to
 193 Menex|           winning applause when he is contending for fame among the persons
 194 Menex|              proved by the strife and contention of the Gods respecting her.
 195 Menex|              likely be victors in the contest, if you learn so to order
 196 Menex|              gymnastic and equestrian contests, and musical festivals of
 197 Menex|               ground at the battle of Corinth, or by treason at Lechaeum.
 198 Menex|             they seem to experience a corresponding feeling of admiration at
 199 Menex|              dead man gets a fine and costly funeral, although he may
 200 Menex|             them up is not like other countries, a stepmother to her children,
 201 Menex|            let them go, and swore and covenanted, that, if he would pay them
 202 Menex|              to the owner, if he be a coward; of such a one the wealth
 203 Menex|           when dwelling in a base and cowardly man, appear comely, but
 204 Menex|              composition. Thus in the Cratylus he is run away with; in
 205 Menex|         veritable tie of blood, which created among them a friendship
 206 Menex|           earth was sending forth and creating diverse animals, tame and
 207 Menex|               the Phaedo, this is not credible; those again which are quoted
 208 Menex|             us to adopt the following criteria of genuineness: (1) That
 209 Menex|          questions to the scholar and critic, is of little importance
 210 Menex|       Socrates, are problems which no critical instinct can determine.~
 211 Menex|          which we have offered to the criticism of the reader may be partly
 212 Menex|            words are a memorial and a crown of noble actions, which
 213 Menex|             make mention of those who crowned the previous work of our
 214 Menex|             and virtue, is seen to be cunning and not wisdom; wherefore
 215 Menex|              bearing this name passed current in antiquity, and are attributed
 216 Menex|             went on the expedition to Cyprus, and who sailed to Egypt
 217 Menex|               Persia. The first king, Cyrus, by his valour freed the
 218 Menex|            arts for the supply of our daily needs, and taught us the
 219 Menex|               or Cadmus or Egyptus or Danaus, who are by nature barbarians,
 220 Menex|              and none of the Hellenes dared to assist either the Eretrians
 221 Menex|                falsifying persons and dates, and casting a veil over
 222 Menex|               war, and 300 ships, and Datis as commander, telling him
 223 Menex|      Aristotelian authority is a good deal impaired by the uncertainty
 224 Menex|               and above all, as being dear to the Gods. This is proved
 225 Menex|         better and nobler way, and be dearer to us.~‘This is all that
 226 Menex|            see above). That twentieth debatable portion scarcely in any
 227 Menex|       received, before we can finally decide on their character. We do
 228 Menex|              can hardly be considered decisive of their spurious character.
 229 Menex|               such as our panegyrists declare. Let not either of the two
 230 Menex|                the poets have already declared in song to all mankind their
 231 Menex|              not in word only, but in deed. And we ought also to remember
 232 Menex|    misfortunes bravely, will be truly deemed brave fathers of the brave.
 233 Menex|             and our countrymen, after defeating them in a naval engagement
 234 Menex|             not named, are still more defective in their external credentials.
 235 Menex|              are merits and there are defects which might lead to either
 236 Menex|              that she would no longer defend the Hellenes, when enslaved
 237 Menex|             was probably due to their definite form, and to their inimitable
 238 Menex|               MENEXENUS: No one; they delayed the election until tomorrow,
 239 Menex|               of a ‘know nothing’ and delivers a speech, generally pretends
 240 Menex|             had them always ready for delivery, and that there was no difficulty
 241 Menex|              draw an absolute line of demarcation between genuine and spurious
 242 Menex|               and is sometimes called democracy, but is really an aristocracy
 243 Menex|             the germ of the idea); we democrats are the aristocracy of virtue,
 244 Menex|       Axiochus, De justo, De virtute, Demodocus, Sisyphus, Eryxias, which
 245 Menex|          uncertain. Socrates, when he departs from his character of a ‘
 246 Menex|            cause with the barbarians, depriving her of the ships which had
 247 Menex|             loci; in the Symposium he derives his wisdom from Diotima
 248 Menex|             remember that Antiphon is described by Thucydides as the best
 249 Menex|         Symposium in which Alcibiades describes himself as self-convicted
 250 Menex|             with the Symposium in the description of the relations of Socrates
 251 Menex|             are soldiers who must not desert the ranks of their ancestors,
 252 Menex|             person desired to bring a deserved accusation against our city,
 253 Menex|           those who appear to be most deserving of them. Neither is a man
 254 Menex|            have received an erroneous designation, than longer ones; and some
 255 Menex|            education of the children, desiring as far as it is possible
 256 Menex|             friends, when the hour of destiny brings you hither; but if
 257 Menex|            private anger of the state destroy the common interest of Hellas;
 258 Menex|         Sphagia, when they might have destroyed them, spared their lives,
 259 Menex|             city, of which he was the destroyer, and from no other, his
 260 Menex|               instead of plotting the destruction of Hellas.~And so the war
 261 Menex|              Aristotle; and they will detect in the treatment of the
 262 Menex|              no critical instinct can determine.~On the other hand, the
 263 Menex|              the Hellenes joined, and devastated our country, which was very
 264 Menex|           Politicus, which are wholly devoid of Aristotelian (1) credentials
 265 Menex|             who exhibits the greatest differences in dramatic power, in the
 266 Menex|          although the form of them is different. But the writings of Plato,
 267 Menex|           ever. This consciousness of dignity lasts me more than three
 268 Menex|               that either Archinus or Dion will be chosen.~SOCRATES:
 269 Menex|               derives his wisdom from Diotima of Mantinea, and the like.
 270 Menex|            lamented. And if they will direct their minds to the care
 271 Menex|           implied in this and similar discussions; but should say of some
 272 Menex|            you and your children into disgrace, and rather than dishonour
 273 Menex|             neglect our words and are disgraced in your lives, no one will
 274 Menex|        falsehoods in which history is disguised. The taking of Athens is
 275 Menex|               for we might have lived dishonourably, but have preferred to die
 276 Menex|               us, and the instinctive dislike of the barbarian, because
 277 Menex|             been their salvation, and dismantling our walls, which had preserved
 278 Menex|              his city should take the disorder in a milder form. How joyful
 279 Menex|            words of Socrates. For the disparaging manner in which Schleiermacher
 280 Menex|              fought at sea, that they dispelled the second terror which
 281 Menex|              hands of the people, who dispense offices and power to those
 282 Menex|              of the living, they will displease us most by making themselves
 283 Menex|         SOCRATES: Truly I have such a disposition to oblige you, that if you
 284 Menex|     genuineness is neither proven nor disproven until further evidence about
 285 Menex|         Alcibiades, which, of all the disputed dialogues of Plato, has
 286 Menex|            impose on Menexenus by his dissimulation. Without violating the character
 287 Menex|              oaths; but, owing to the distance, the city was unable to
 288 Menex|                or binding, or even of distinct titles. An unknown writing
 289 Menex|            Aristotle cannot always be distinguished from that of a later age (
 290 Menex|               who sailed to Egypt and divers other places; and they should
 291 Menex|            sending forth and creating diverse animals, tame and wild,
 292 Menex|           reductio ad absurdum of the doctrine that vice is ignorance,
 293 Menex|                which are given to the doers of them by the hearers.
 294 Menex|            the barbarians, that their doubts had no foundation—showing
 295 Menex|               other, do we propose to draw an absolute line of demarcation
 296 Menex|     prescribed to himself, if any, in drawing the picture of the Silenus
 297 Menex|              Persian king himself was driven to such extremity as to
 298 Menex|          disciples: this was probably due to their definite form,
 299 Menex|             word is needed which will duly praise the dead and gently
 300 Menex|           sends them to their several duties, in full armour clad; and
 301 Menex|          specially entrusted with the duty of watching over them above
 302 Menex|            yet pass for Hellenes, and dwell in the midst of us; but
 303      | each
 304 Menex|              words keep ringing in my ears.~MENEXENUS: You are always
 305 Menex|            and the name once appended easily obtained authority. A tendency
 306 Menex|               into the world and thus educated, the ancestors of the departed
 307 Menex|               mind of the reader. The effect produced by these grandiloquent
 308 Menex|           bound the Eretrians. Having effected one-half of their purpose,
 309 Menex|    descendants of Pelops or Cadmus or Egyptus or Danaus, who are by nature
 310 Menex|            may have been poor, and an elaborate speech is made over him
 311 Menex|             first hereditary and then elected, and authority is mostly
 312 Menex|              No one; they delayed the election until tomorrow, but I believe
 313 Menex|            war against the tyrants in Eleusis, and in a manner how unlike
 314 Menex|             alive, until I feel quite elevated by their laudations, and
 315      | else
 316      | elsewhere
 317 Menex|               the citizens themselves embarked, and came to the rescue
 318 Menex|             away our souls with their embellished words; in every conceivable
 319 Menex|            the land boundaries of the empire to Scythia, and with his
 320 Menex|               seems to have wished to emulate Thucydides, and the far
 321 Menex|          words, Menexenus, and become enchanted by them, and all in a moment
 322 Menex|             for thus you will be most endeared to the dead and to the living,
 323 Menex|             we managed better, for we ended the war without the loss
 324 Menex|               the assaults which they endured by sea and land, and how
 325 Menex|               envy, and so she became engaged against her will in a war
 326 Menex|              another out of malice or enmity, but they were unfortunate.
 327 Menex|         Persians, lords of Asia, were enslaving Europe, and how the children
 328 Menex|           safety in the battles which ensued: they became disciples of
 329 Menex|             the minds of all men were enthralled by him—so many and mighty
 330 Menex|               strong antipathy, he is entirely successful, but he is not
 331 Menex|              die at this time. And we entreat our fathers and mothers
 332 Menex|        highest authority is specially entrusted with the duty of watching
 333 Menex|               her, and jealousy begat envy, and so she became engaged
 334 Menex|           including the Epistles, the Epinomis, the dialogues rejected
 335 Menex|           this, holding gymnastic and equestrian contests, and musical festivals
 336 Menex|                or to have received an erroneous designation, than longer
 337 Menex|         virtute, Demodocus, Sisyphus, Eryxias, which on grounds, both
 338 Menex|               order that no one might escape, he searched the whole country
 339 Menex|        important work, e.g. the Laws, especially when we remember that he
 340 Menex|            they have arrived at man’s estate she sends them to their
 341 Menex|         fitting. He who would rightly estimate them should place himself
 342      | etc
 343 Menex|            contemporaries. Aeschines, Euclid, Phaedo, Antisthenes, and
 344 Menex|               against the invasion of Eumolpus and the Amazons, or of their
 345 Menex|               of Asia, were enslaving Europe, and how the children of
 346 Menex|            fought by sea at the river Eurymedon, and who went on the expedition
 347 Menex|              Gorgias, Protagoras, and Euthydemus, which have been observed
 348      | everything
 349 Menex|              whether Plato or not, is evidently intending to ridicule the
 350 Menex|         impossible to separate by any exact line the genuine writings
 351 Menex|          Aspasia: this is the natural exaggeration of what might be expected
 352 Menex|             and all-absorbing aim, to exceed, if possible, not only us
 353 Menex|              virtue; and know that to excel you in virtue only brings
 354 Menex|              us shame, but that to be excelled by you is a source of happiness
 355 Menex|              their death they gave in exchange for the salvation of the
 356 Menex|              style, or inferiority of execution, or inconsistency of thought,
 357 Menex|             had supposed that she was exhausted by the war, and our ships
 358 Menex|           them, and does not need any exhortation of ours.’~This, O ye children
 359 Menex|           gently admonish the living, exhorting the brethren and descendants
 360 Menex|            who had been unrighteously exiled. And they were the first
 361 Menex|              Plataea; but she allowed exiles and volunteers to assist
 362 Menex|         attained. A mortal man cannot expect to have everything in his
 363 Menex|       Marathon with a like intention, expecting to bind the Athenians in
 364 Menex|        Eurymedon, and who went on the expedition to Cyprus, and who sailed
 365 Menex|           they, together with us, had expelled;—him, without us, they again
 366 Menex|           over them, and they seem to experience a corresponding feeling
 367 Menex|               the fear which Socrates expresses that he will get a beating
 368 Menex|            third king was Darius, who extended the land boundaries of the
 369 Menex|         during a period of authorship extending over above fifty years,
 370 Menex|              other Hellenes, in their extreme animosity towards the city,
 371 Menex|              either of Plato or of an extremely skilful imitator. The excellence
 372 Menex|            himself was driven to such extremity as to come round to the
 373 Menex|               writings of Plato. They fade off imperceptibly from one
 374 Menex|        interest of Hellas. Time would fail me to tell of their defence
 375 Menex|               only speech, they would fain be saying, judging from
 376 Menex|            The honour of parents is a fair and noble treasure to their
 377 Menex|             friendship as of kinsmen, faithful not in word only, but in
 378 Menex|          ancestors, or from cowardice fall behind. Even as I exhort
 379 Menex|              champions of liberty had fallen, and that their business
 380 Menex|              preserved their own from falling. She thought that she would
 381 Menex|               real Hellenic interest, falls very far short of the rugged
 382 Menex|          These are the platitudes and falsehoods in which history is disguised.
 383 Menex|       Athenians among the Athenians,’ falsifying persons and dates, and casting
 384 Menex|             when he is contending for fame among the persons whom he
 385 Menex|            that we have to say to our families: and to the state we would
 386 Menex|            men, like the rest of your family, which has always provided
 387 Menex|               names, according to the fancies of men, and is sometimes
 388 Menex|              rather to be regarded as fanciful. Nor can we say that the
 389 Menex|          their sons in the place of a father, and to their parents and
 390 Menex|               would have no object in fathering his works on Plato; and
 391 Menex|            kindness— indeed, the only fault of the city was too great
 392 Menex|             too compassionate and too favourable to the weaker side. And
 393 Menex|               mothers to retain these feelings throughout their future
 394 Menex|              they should war with the fellow-countrymen only until they gained a
 395 Menex|           their orphanhood may not be felt by them; while they are
 396 Menex|      equestrian contests, and musical festivals of every sort. She is to
 397      | few
 398 Menex|              the great historian. The fiction of the speech having been
 399 Menex|           succeeded an almost equally fictitious account of later times.
 400 Menex|               not until the fourth or fifth day do I come to my senses
 401 Menex|       authorship extending over above fifty years, in an age of great
 402 Menex|              and conquered in the sea fights at Salamis and Artemisium;
 403 Menex|              Rhamnusian, might make a figure if he were to praise the
 404 Menex|              the introduction and the finale certainly wear the look
 405 Menex|               received, before we can finally decide on their character.
 406 Menex|            thing. The dead man gets a fine and costly funeral, although
 407 Menex|              a greater and nobler and finer man than I was before. And
 408 Menex|              an education should be a finished speaker; even the pupil
 409 Menex|          their valour, as is meet and fitting. He who would rightly estimate
 410 Menex|             thesis, and that at least five or six dialogues bearing
 411 Menex|              to Scythia, and with his fleet held the sea and the islands.
 412 Menex|             dishonourable. And if you follow our precepts you will be
 413 Menex|        remember rightly, she began as follows, with the mention of the
 414 Menex|            wheat and barley for human food, which is the best and noblest
 415 Menex|           than the threat of physical force which Phaedrus uses towards
 416 Menex|         dishonour our own fathers and forefathers; considering that life is
 417 Menex|       Hellenes, uncontaminated by any foreign element, and therefore the
 418 Menex|           therefore the hatred of the foreigner has passed unadulterated
 419 Menex|          often happens, there are any foreigners who accompany me to the
 420 Menex|              her feeling was that she forgave the barbarians, who had
 421 Menex|            works on Plato; and to the forger or imitator, the ‘literary
 422 Menex|        century later include manifest forgeries. Even the value of the Aristotelian
 423 Menex|               me because I was always forgetting.~MENEXENUS: Then why will
 424 Menex|         mutually received and granted forgiveness of what we have done and
 425 Menex|              of them. Let them not be forgotten, and let every man remind
 426 Menex|             in dramatic power, in the formation of sentences, and in the
 427      | former
 428      | forty
 429 Menex|         Second Alcibiades seems to be founded upon the text of Xenophon,
 430 Menex|              ones (and she who has no fountain of milk is not a mother),
 431 Menex|               days, and not until the fourth or fifth day do I come to
 432 Menex|             thought, putting together fragments of the funeral oration which
 433 Menex|             alternative which must be frankly admitted. Nor can we maintain
 434 Menex|               living at Athens, and a frequenter of the groves of the Academy,
 435 Menex|             armour clad; and bringing freshly to their minds the ways
 436 Menex|      improvise.~SOCRATES: But why, my friend, should he not have plenty
 437 Menex|              neither men nor Gods are friendly, either while he is on the
 438 Menex|            which created among them a friendship as of kinsmen, faithful
 439 Menex|              of the woman. And of the fruit of the earth she gave a
 440 Menex|              their several duties, in full armour clad; and bringing
 441 Menex|      MENEXENUS: You are always making fun of the rhetoricians, Socrates;
 442 Menex|     rhetorician who could succeed and gain credit. But there is no
 443 Menex|               at me if I continue the games of youth in old age.~MENEXENUS:
 444 Menex|                And the reason of this gentleness was the veritable tie of
 445 Menex|            which seems to contain the germ of the idea); we democrats
 446 Menex|       Socrates expresses that he will get a beating from his mistress,
 447 Menex|             noble thing. The dead man gets a fine and costly funeral,
 448 Menex|                the enemy was only too glad to be quit of us. Yet in
 449 Menex|               casting a veil over the gloomier events of Athenian history.
 450 Menex|              were still living on the glories of Marathon and Salamis.
 451 Menex|      vouchsafed to man, and should be glorified rather than lamented. And
 452 Menex|               first of all praise the goodness of their birth; secondly,
 453 Menex|     resemblances or imitations of the Gorgias, Protagoras, and Euthydemus,
 454 Menex|            the post, are intending to govern us elder men, like the rest
 455 Menex|              men, and therefore their governments are unequal; there are tyrannies
 456 Menex|              to be wise and good is a governor and ruler. The basis of
 457 Menex|               far short of the rugged grandeur and political insight of
 458 Menex|              effect produced by these grandiloquent orations on Socrates, who
 459 Menex|              Athens, the Gods did not grant originality or genius. Further,
 460 Menex|            have mutually received and granted forgiveness of what we have
 461 Menex|            places; and they should be gratefully remembered by us, because
 462 Menex|            urged against them, though greatly overbalanced by the weight (
 463 Menex|          admiration at me, and at the greatness of the city, which appears
 464 Menex|        Neither rejoicing overmuch nor grieving overmuch,” for he relies
 465 Menex|               and a frequenter of the groves of the Academy, during the
 466 Menex|             he saw the Lacedaemonians growing weary of the war at sea,
 467 Menex|               considerable change and growth may have taken place in
 468 Menex|             kindred in the place of a guardian—ever and always caring for
 469 Menex|               we were unwilling to be guilty of the base and unholy act
 470 Menex|             addition to this, holding gymnastic and equestrian contests,
 471 Menex|          Hellas; the one teaching and habituating the Hellenes not to fear
 472 Menex|               imitator, the ‘literary hack’ of Alexandria and Athens,
 473 Menex|         Lacedaemonians had previously handed over to him, he thinking
 474 Menex|               is possible,—who is not hanging in suspense on other men,
 475 Menex|               of the two alternatives happen, but rather let them be
 476 Menex|              before. And if, as often happens, there are any foreigners
 477 Menex|    panic-stricken and kept quiet, too happy in having escaped for a
 478 Menex|           excellence, and also (4) in harmony with the general spirit
 479 Menex|            element, and therefore the hatred of the foreigner has passed
 480 Menex|              if he wished to keep his head on his shoulders. He sailed
 481 Menex|            may be summed up under two heads only: (1) excellence; and (
 482 Menex|              sorrows will heal and be healed. And now do you and all,
 483 Menex|               this city, so sound and healthy was the spirit of freedom
 484 Menex|              the doers of them by the hearers. A word is needed which
 485 Menex|         before; but, by the favour of Heaven, we managed better, for
 486 Menex|             in the place of a son and heir, and to their sons in the
 487 Menex|              naval engagements at the Hellespont, after having in one day
 488 Menex|              the Cadmeians, or of the Heracleids against the Argives; besides,
 489 Menex|             we have always had, first hereditary and then elected, and authority
 490 Menex|              exhort you, O ye sons of heroes, that you strive to be the
 491      | hers
 492 Menex|            mounting upwards to things higher still, and, though rather
 493 Menex|           knows so well how to give a hint, or some one writing in
 494 Menex|             apparent in Aristotle and Hippocrates, although the form of them
 495 Menex|        political insight of the great historian. The fiction of the speech
 496 Menex|            hour of destiny brings you hither; but if you neglect our
 497 Menex|               second terror which had hitherto possessed the Hellenes,
 498 Menex|              and in addition to this, holding gymnastic and equestrian
 499 Menex|            but there sprang up war at home; and, if men are destined
 500 Menex|              satirical reasoning upon Homer, in the reductio ad absurdum