Dialogue

 1 Parme|            Nothing of this kind is said of Zeno and Parmenides.
 2 Parme|        well-favoured—Zeno, who was said to have been beloved of
 3 Parme|          again.’~‘You mean, Zeno,’ said Socrates, ‘to argue that
 4 Parme|           is my meaning.’ ‘I see,’ said Socrates, turning to Parmenides, ‘
 5 Parme|           of us.’ ‘Yes, Socrates,’ said Zeno; ‘but though you are
 6 Parme|              I quite believe you,’ said Socrates; ‘but will you
 7 Parme|            separation.’~Pythodorus said that in his opinion Parmenides
 8 Parme|            of Socrates. ‘Tell me,’ said Parmenides, ‘do you think
 9 Parme|    beautiful, the good?’ ‘Yes,’ he said. ‘And of human beings like
10 Parme|             Why not of the whole?’ said Socrates. ‘Because,’ said
11 Parme|          said Socrates. ‘Because,’ said Parmenides, ‘in that case
12 Parme|          will become many.’ ‘Nay,’ said Socrates, ‘the whole may
13 Parme|          In the same sort of way,’ said Parmenides, ‘as a sail,
14 Parme|    themselves.’ ‘How do you mean?’ said Socrates. ‘I may illustrate
15 Parme|           There I agree with you,’ said Socrates. ‘Yet if these
16 Parme|            see my way.’ ‘I think,’ said Parmenides, ‘that this arises
17 Parme|            understand the nature,’ said Socrates; ‘will you give
18 Parme|        task on a man of my years,’ said Parmenides. ‘Then will you,
19 Parme|            Zeno?’ ‘Let us rather,’ said Zeno, with a smile, ‘ask
20 Parme|          have thought more than he said, or was able to express.
21 Parme|     notions. But Plato may here be said to anticipate the judgment
22 Parme|        Platonic ideas. It has been said that ‘you cannot criticize
23 Parme|           Parmenides are expressly said to follow the method of
24 Parme|         and things. As if they had said, in the language of modern
25 Parme|                  I cannot refuse,’ said Parmenides, ‘since, as Zeno
26 Parme|          the one.’ ‘By all means,’ said Zeno. ‘And who will answer
27 Parme|     breathe.’ ‘I am the youngest,’ said Aristoteles, ‘and at your
28 Parme|          Agora. Welcome, Cephalus, said Adeimantus, taking me by
29 Parme|          you.~What may that be? he said.~I want you to tell me the
30 Parme|            was Pyrilampes?~Yes, he said, and the name of our brother,
31 Parme|         some countrymen of mine, I said; they are lovers of philosophy,
32 Parme|         they came to Athens, as he said, at the great Panathenaea;
33 Parme|          beloved by Parmenides. He said that they lodged with Pythodorus
34 Parme|          this having been done, he said: What is your meaning, Zeno?
35 Parme|            your position?~Just so, said Zeno.~And if the unlike
36 Parme|           I misunderstood you?~No, said Zeno; you have correctly
37 Parme|        purpose.~I see, Parmenides, said Socrates, that Zeno would
38 Parme|         most of us.~Yes, Socrates, said Zeno. But although you are
39 Parme|            just one.~I understand, said Socrates, and quite accept
40 Parme|     following words:—~Socrates, he said, I admire the bent of your
41 Parme|         that there are such ideas, said Socrates.~Parmenides proceeded:
42 Parme|            all that class?~Yes, he said, I should.~And would you
43 Parme|             or not?~Certainly not, said Socrates; visible things
44 Parme|          with them.~Yes, Socrates, said Parmenides; that is because
45 Parme|            beauty?~Yes, certainly, said Socrates that is my meaning.~
46 Parme| participation?~There cannot be, he said.~Then do you think that
47 Parme|         many?~Why not, Parmenides? said Socrates.~Because one and
48 Parme|     remains one?~Certainly not, he said.~Suppose that you divide
49 Parme|        parts or wholes?~Indeed, he said, you have asked a question
50 Parme|         not easily answered.~Well, said Parmenides, and what do
51 Parme|       greatness as one.~Very true, said Socrates.~And if you go
52 Parme|            nothing?~Impossible, he said.~The thought must be of
53 Parme|          there is no escape.~Then, said Parmenides, if you say that
54 Parme|      assimilation to them.~But if, said he, the individual is like
55 Parme|        things.~What difficulty? he said.~There are many, but the
56 Parme|           do you mean, Parmenides? said Socrates.~In the first place,
57 Parme|            cannot exist in us.~No, said Socrates; for then they
58 Parme|          longer absolute.~True, he said; and therefore when ideas
59 Parme|            them.~What do you mean? said Socrates.~I may illustrate
60 Parme|            my meaning in this way, said Parmenides:—A master has
61 Parme|           you see my meaning?~Yes, said Socrates, I quite see your
62 Parme|            not?~Because, Socrates, said Parmenides, we have admitted
63 Parme|        things of men.~Yet, surely, said Socrates, to deprive God
64 Parme|        monstrous.~These, Socrates, said Parmenides, are a few, and
65 Parme|           He who hears what may be said against them will deny the
66 Parme|        agree with you, Parmenides, said Socrates; and what you say
67 Parme|           mind.~And yet, Socrates, said Parmenides, if a man, fixing
68 Parme|  particularly noted.~Very true, he said.~But, then, what is to become
69 Parme|            my way at present.~Yes, said Parmenides; and I think
70 Parme|         called ideas.~Why, yes, he said, there appears to me to
71 Parme|   experience anything.~Quite true, said Parmenides; but I think
72 Parme|          you.~What do you mean? he said.~I mean, for example, that
73 Parme|        years.~Then will you, Zeno? said Socrates.~Zeno answered
74 Parme|          Antiphon’s report of him, said, that he himself and Aristoteles
75 Parme|          process. I cannot refuse, said Parmenides; and yet I feel
76 Parme|    not-being of one?~By all means, said Zeno.~And who will answer
77 Parme|         And who will answer me? he said. Shall I propose the youngest?
78 Parme|         whom you mean, Parmenides, said Aristoteles; for I am the
79 Parme|      proceeded: 1.a. If one is, he said, the one cannot be many?~
80 Parme|    anything, as we affirm?~Yes, we said so.~Then it is never in
81 Parme|       something.~Certainly.~And we said that it could not be in
82 Parme|           likeness of time; and we said that the one did not partake
83 Parme|            did say so.~And we also said, that it did not partake
84 Parme|       whole of the one?~No.~But we said that things which are neither
85 Parme|            with one another:—so we said?~Yes.~Then shall we say
86 Parme|       not-being, for that which is said ‘not to be’ is known to
87 Parme|             nor could it have been said to be anything, if it did
88 Parme|        Certainly.~Let thus much be said; and further let us affirm