Dialogue

 1 Parme|        pleased at the request of Socrates that they would examine
 2 Parme|      invented the meeting (‘You, Socrates, can easily invent Egyptian
 3 Parme|          own doctrines: nor does Socrates attempt to offer any answer
 4 Parme|      remembers a conversation of Socrates with Parmenides and Zeno,
 5 Parme|        outside the wall, whither Socrates, then a very young man,
 6 Parme|        recitation was completed, Socrates requested that the first
 7 Parme|            You mean, Zeno,’ said Socrates, ‘to argue that being, if
 8 Parme|          meaning.’ ‘I see,’ said Socrates, turning to Parmenides, ‘
 9 Parme|        beyond most of us.’ ‘Yes, Socrates,’ said Zeno; ‘but though
10 Parme|         quite believe you,’ said Socrates; ‘but will you answer me
11 Parme|        delight and admiration of Socrates. ‘Tell me,’ said Parmenides, ‘
12 Parme|       nonsense.’ ‘You are young, Socrates, and therefore naturally
13 Parme|          not of the whole?’ said Socrates. ‘Because,’ said Parmenides, ‘
14 Parme|        become many.’ ‘Nay,’ said Socrates, ‘the whole may be like
15 Parme|          may go on to infinity.’ Socrates replies that the ideas may
16 Parme|     unmeaningness of this,’ says Socrates, ‘and would rather have
17 Parme|         up. You have hardly yet, Socrates, found out the real difficulty
18 Parme|           How do you mean?’ said Socrates. ‘I may illustrate my meaning
19 Parme|          I agree with you,’ said Socrates. ‘Yet if these difficulties
20 Parme|     understand the nature,’ said Socrates; ‘will you give me an example?’ ‘
21 Parme|      attack made by the youthful Socrates on the paradoxes of Zeno.
22 Parme|        the novel speculations of Socrates with mixed feelings of admiration
23 Parme|          the ethical teaching of Socrates came into conflict with
24 Parme|          correcting the youthful Socrates. Two points in his criticism
25 Parme|         the test of consistency. Socrates is willing to assume ideas
26 Parme|      this want of consistency in Socrates, which he attributes to
27 Parme|       criticism of Parmenides on Socrates attributes to him a want
28 Parme|        the mere interrogation of Socrates. Here, again, he may perhaps
29 Parme|      Parmenides does not deny to Socrates the credit of having gone
30 Parme|       method being attributed to Socrates; nor is the dialectic here
31 Parme|    spoken of as the method which Socrates had heard Zeno practise
32 Parme|        Soph.).~The discussion of Socrates with Parmenides is one of
33 Parme|        thought to express facts.~Socrates attempts to support his
34 Parme|       sail. He truly explains to Socrates that he has attained the
35 Parme|          will go on to infinity. Socrates meets the supposed difficulty
36 Parme|          well as in particulars.~Socrates makes one more attempt to
37 Parme|          answer to them; for, as Socrates and Parmenides both admit,
38 Parme|        the difficulties in which Socrates is involved to a want of
39 Parme|        Megara after the death of Socrates. For Megara was within a
40 Parme|         very dialogue, is urging Socrates, not to doubt everything,
41 Parme|      among the contemporaries of Socrates. It throws an indistinct
42 Parme|       the opposite of that which Socrates implies: There is no contradiction
43 Parme|         which Parmenides asks of Socrates. And yet these questions
44 Parme|        method of Zeno should, as Socrates desired, be extended to
45 Parme|          interrogative method of Socrates; the Eleatic One or Being
46 Parme|   Glaucon, Antiphon, Pythodorus, Socrates, Zeno, Parmenides, Aristoteles.~
47 Parme|         which took place between Socrates, Zeno, and Parmenides many
48 Parme|        outside the wall, whither Socrates, then a very young man,
49 Parme|        recitation was completed, Socrates requested that the first
50 Parme|          I see, Parmenides, said Socrates, that Zeno would like to
51 Parme|        reach of most of us.~Yes, Socrates, said Zeno. But although
52 Parme|          you do not seem to see, Socrates; though in other respects,
53 Parme|          one.~I understand, said Socrates, and quite accept your account.
54 Parme|        in visible objects.~While Socrates was speaking, Pythodorus
55 Parme|         in the following words:—~Socrates, he said, I admire the bent
56 Parme|       there are such ideas, said Socrates.~Parmenides proceeded: And
57 Parme|          feel equally undecided, Socrates, about things of which the
58 Parme|         not?~Certainly not, said Socrates; visible things like these
59 Parme|    occupy myself with them.~Yes, Socrates, said Parmenides; that is
60 Parme|     beauty?~Yes, certainly, said Socrates that is my meaning.~Then
61 Parme|        Why not, Parmenides? said Socrates.~Because one and the same
62 Parme|      same time.~I like your way, Socrates, of making one in many places
63 Parme| different men?~The latter.~Then, Socrates, the ideas themselves will
64 Parme|      Then would you like to say, Socrates, that the one idea is really
65 Parme|        absurd!~Then in what way, Socrates, will all things participate
66 Parme|          as one.~Very true, said Socrates.~And if you go on and allow
67 Parme|         may not the ideas, asked Socrates, be thoughts only, and have
68 Parme|        seem so.~Do you see then, Socrates, how great is the difficulty
69 Parme|       you mean, Parmenides? said Socrates.~In the first place, I think,
70 Parme|        the first place, I think, Socrates, that you, or any one who
71 Parme|     cannot exist in us.~No, said Socrates; for then they would be
72 Parme|           What do you mean? said Socrates.~I may illustrate my meaning
73 Parme|        see my meaning?~Yes, said Socrates, I quite see your meaning.~
74 Parme|        things?~Why not?~Because, Socrates, said Parmenides, we have
75 Parme|        of men.~Yet, surely, said Socrates, to deprive God of knowledge
76 Parme|   knowledge is monstrous.~These, Socrates, said Parmenides, are a
77 Parme|       with you, Parmenides, said Socrates; and what you say is very
78 Parme|        much to my mind.~And yet, Socrates, said Parmenides, if a man,
79 Parme|          think that this arises, Socrates, out of your attempting
80 Parme|      apprehend you better.~That, Socrates, is a serious task to impose
81 Parme|        Then will you, Zeno? said Socrates.~Zeno answered with a smile:—
82 Parme|         I join in the request of Socrates, that I may hear the process