Dialogue

  1 Phaedo|        Tell this to Evenus; and say that I would have him follow
  2 Phaedo|         Though I do not mean to say that he who contemplates
  3 Phaedo|      and simple answer.’ We may say, not only that the odd excludes
  4 Phaedo|       service of theology, they say, like the companions of
  5 Phaedo|      end to the means? Shall we say with Aristotle, that the
  6 Phaedo|         educational; that is to say, they are not intended to
  7 Phaedo|     Laws.)~9. But some one will say: That we cannot reason from
  8 Phaedo|   divine perfection, we mean to say that God is just and true
  9 Phaedo|         mind. Some persons will say no more than that they trust
 10 Phaedo|       witnesses of such scenes, say that under ordinary circumstances
 11 Phaedo|          When Simmias and Cebes say that they are more strongly
 12 Phaedo|        philosophy. And we might say in the same way that we
 13 Phaedo|     parallel, as Socrates would say, is not perfect, but agrees
 14 Phaedo|        as the tragic poet would say, the voice of fate calls;’
 15 Phaedo|    about his death. What did he say in his last hours? We were
 16 Phaedo|      well tell me what I should say to him:—he wanted to know
 17 Phaedo|       bid him be of good cheer; say that I would have him come
 18 Phaedo|        going, for the Athenians say that I must.~Simmias said:
 19 Phaedo|       companion of his I should say that, as far as I know him,
 20 Phaedo|    remained sitting.~Why do you say, enquired Cebes, that a
 21 Phaedo|        and there are others who say the same, although I have
 22 Phaedo|         to be truth in what you say. And yet how can you reconcile
 23 Phaedo|     there is reason in what you say. And so you think that I
 24 Phaedo|        has long been wishing to say something to me.~Only this,
 25 Phaedo|       quite well what you would say, replied Crito; but I was
 26 Phaedo|       they hear your words will say how truly you have described
 27 Phaedo|    people at home will likewise say that the life which philosophers
 28 Phaedo|       nature needs? What do you say?~I should say that the true
 29 Phaedo|       What do you say?~I should say that the true philosopher
 30 Phaedo|     despise them.~Would you not say that he is entirely concerned
 31 Phaedo|       true.~What again shall we say of the actual acquirement
 32 Phaedo| hinderer or a helper? I mean to say, have sight and hearing
 33 Phaedo|         of true being?~What you say has a wonderful truth in
 34 Phaedo|        we not found,’ they will say, ‘a path of thought which
 35 Phaedo|    foolery, and in fact, as men say, takes away from us the
 36 Phaedo|         desire, and of which we say that we are lovers, not
 37 Phaedo|       gods. For ‘many,’ as they say in the mysteries, ‘are the
 38 Phaedo|        greater part of what you say. But in what concerns the
 39 Phaedo|         Socrates, that what you say is true. But surely it requires
 40 Phaedo|  similar alternation; I mean to say, for example, that anything
 41 Phaedo|       from the dead?~I can only say in answer—the living.~Then
 42 Phaedo|     hear what you were going to say.~This is what I would say,
 43 Phaedo|       say.~This is what I would say, he replied:—We should agree,
 44 Phaedo|     absolute equality? Shall we say so?~Say so, yes, replied
 45 Phaedo|      equality? Shall we say so?~Say so, yes, replied Simmias,
 46 Phaedo|      idea of equality?~I should say, clearly not, Socrates.~
 47 Phaedo|        true.~But what would you say of equal portions of wood
 48 Phaedo|  previous time?~Yes.~That is to say, before we were born, I
 49 Phaedo|      his knowledge? What do you say?~Certainly, he will.~But
 50 Phaedo|       nonsense.~Then may we not say, Simmias, that if, as we
 51 Phaedo|      else—are these essences, I say, liable at times to some
 52 Phaedo|       Cebes.~And what would you say of the many beautiful—whether
 53 Phaedo|       of perception, that is to say, when using the sense of
 54 Phaedo|  quitting the body, as the many say? That can never be, my dear
 55 Phaedo|         Certainly—~That soul, I say, herself invisible, departs
 56 Phaedo|        for ever dwells, as they say of the initiated, in company
 57 Phaedo|        and fashioning the body, say farewell to all this; they
 58 Phaedo| considering some other matter I say no more, but if you are
 59 Phaedo|        doubt do not hesitate to say exactly what you think,
 60 Phaedo|       Socrates answered: I dare say, my friend, that you may
 61 Phaedo|       and the lyre—might he not say that harmony is a thing
 62 Phaedo|        cannot imagine, he would say, that the lyre without the
 63 Phaedo|     also hear what Cebes has to say that we may gain time for
 64 Phaedo|     there is truth in what they say, or if not, we will maintain
 65 Phaedo|      ingeniously, and, if I may say so, quite sufficiently proven;
 66 Phaedo|         any one may very fairly say in like manner that the
 67 Phaedo|        he replied, as you might say of the very large and very
 68 Phaedo|    there I was led on by you to say more than I had intended;
 69 Phaedo|        arguments at all. Rather say that we have not yet attained
 70 Phaedo|         argument. For if what I say is true, then I do well
 71 Phaedo|         never allow yourself to say that a harmony is prior
 72 Phaedo|         what you imply when you say that the soul existed before
 73 Phaedo|         you, he said.~I mean to say that a harmony admits of
 74 Phaedo|        the soul to be a harmony say of this presence of virtue
 75 Phaedo|     vice in the soul?—will they say that here is another harmony,
 76 Phaedo|        be asserted by those who say that the soul is a harmony.~
 77 Phaedo|         to us; but what shall I say, Cebes, to her husband Cadmus,
 78 Phaedo|         can prove this; and you say that the demonstration of
 79 Phaedo|         times, does not, as you say, make any difference in
 80 Phaedo|       subtract: I mean what you say that I mean.~Socrates paused
 81 Phaedo|         and if anything which I say is likely to avail towards
 82 Phaedo|        to hear what you have to say.~Then I will tell you, said
 83 Phaedo|      and the bones, as he would say, are hard and have joints
 84 Phaedo|   posture—that is what he would say, and he would have a similar
 85 Phaedo|     execute my purposes. But to say that I do as I do because
 86 Phaedo|      truth of existence. I dare say that the simile is not perfect—
 87 Phaedo|    absolute beauty—and I should say the same of everything.
 88 Phaedo|   manner you would be afraid to say that ten exceeded eight
 89 Phaedo|       reason of, two; but would say by, and by reason of, number;
 90 Phaedo|        of, number; or you would say that two cubits exceed one
 91 Phaedo|      way to make one. You would say: I will let alone puzzles
 92 Phaedo|          will certainly do as I say.~What you say is most true,
 93 Phaedo| certainly do as I say.~What you say is most true, said Simmias
 94 Phaedo|      speaking; and yet when you say that Simmias is greater
 95 Phaedo|         examples: would you not say, for example, that three
 96 Phaedo|     contain opposites; these, I say, likewise reject the idea
 97 Phaedo|         diseased,’ you will not say from disease, but from fever;
 98 Phaedo|        of odd numbers, you will say that the monad is the cause
 99 Phaedo|    things in general, as I dare say that you will understand
100 Phaedo|        Yes, he said.~And may we say that this has been proven?~
101 Phaedo|      the cold. Yet a person may say: ‘But although the odd will
102 Phaedo|      anything which he wants to say or to have said.~But I have
103 Phaedo|      But I have nothing more to say, replied Simmias; nor can
104 Phaedo|        For after death, as they say, the genius of each individual,
105 Phaedo|         the river, as the poets say, is Cocytus.~Such is the
106 Phaedo|       man of sense ought not to say, nor will I be very confident,
107 Phaedo|       is exactly true. But I do say that, inasmuch as the soul
108 Phaedo|      out the tale. Wherefore, I say, let a man be of good cheer
109 Phaedo|        as the tragic poet would say, the voice of fate calls.
110 Phaedo|        us, Socrates—anything to say about your children, or
111 Phaedo|       sorrow at my hard lot, or say at the burial, Thus we lay
112 Phaedo|        then, my dear Crito, and say that you are burying my
113 Phaedo|          Please then to do as I say, and not to refuse me.~Crito
114 Phaedo|       cup and said: What do you say about making a libation
115 Phaedo|     concerning whom I may truly say, that of all the men of