Dialogue

  1 Phaedo|            the mysteries when they said, ‘Many are the wand-bearers
  2 Phaedo|        cause of all things. And he said to himself: If mind is the
  3 Phaedo|          It was as if a person had said that Socrates is sitting
  4 Phaedo|            example, Simmias may be said to have greatness and also
  5 Phaedo|         also for them? They may be said to have a shadow or imitation
  6 Phaedo|             And after all has been said, the figure, the analogy,
  7 Phaedo|            death there is not much said; good men are too honest
  8 Phaedo|          persuaded by Socrates, is said to be the most incredulous
  9 Phaedo|          of himself. And they were said to have vowed to Apollo
 10 Phaedo|            death, Phaedo? What was said or done? And which of his
 11 Phaedo| Cleombrotus?~PHAEDO: No, they were said to be in Aegina.~ECHECRATES:
 12 Phaedo|           us. ‘For the Eleven,’ he said, ‘are now with Socrates;
 13 Phaedo|      to-day.’ He soon returned and said that we might come in. On
 14 Phaedo|           us she uttered a cry and said, as women will: ‘O Socrates,
 15 Phaedo|       Socrates turned to Crito and said: ‘Crito, let some one take
 16 Phaedo|           succeed.~Upon this Cebes said: I am glad, Socrates, that
 17 Phaedo|         Cultivate and make music,’ said the dream. And hitherto
 18 Phaedo|           say that I must.~Simmias said: What a message for such
 19 Phaedo|         unless he is obliged.~Why, said Socrates,—is not Evenus
 20 Phaedo|   philosopher?~I think that he is, said Simmias.~Then he, or any
 21 Phaedo|        hand of another.~Very true, said Cebes, laughing gently and
 22 Phaedo|         agree?~Yes, I quite agree, said Cebes.~And if one of your
 23 Phaedo|       summoning me.~Yes, Socrates, said Cebes, there seems to be
 24 Phaedo|       reverse of what was just now said; for upon this view the
 25 Phaedo|          to please Socrates. Here, said he, turning to us, is a
 26 Phaedo|          should like you to do so, said Simmias.~Then I must try
 27 Phaedo|          the dead, and as has been said of old, some far better
 28 Phaedo|       thoughts with you, Socrates? said Simmias. Will you not impart
 29 Phaedo|           even a third dose.~Then, said Socrates, let him mind his
 30 Phaedo|            him.~Never mind him, he said.~And now, O my judges, I
 31 Phaedo|     pursuing and desiring?~Simmias said laughingly: Though not in
 32 Phaedo|          indistinct, what is to be said of the other senses?—for
 33 Phaedo|            the body?~Very true, he said.~And this separation and
 34 Phaedo|       termed death?~To be sure, he said.~And the true philosophers,
 35 Phaedo|    contradiction.~How so?~Well, he said, you are aware that death
 36 Phaedo|          great evil.~Very true, he said.~And do not courageous men
 37 Phaedo|         intelligence.~True, Cebes, said Socrates; and shall I suggest
 38 Phaedo|           these things?~I am sure, said Cebes, that I should greatly
 39 Phaedo|      opinion about them.~I reckon, said Socrates, that no one who
 40 Phaedo|            and that which grows is said to wax, and that which decays
 41 Phaedo|            decays to wane?~Yes, he said.~And there are many other
 42 Phaedo|       opposite of waking?~True, he said.~And what is it?~Death,
 43 Phaedo|    processes also?~Of course.~Now, said Socrates, I will analyze
 44 Phaedo|       dying is visible?~Surely, he said.~What then is to be the
 45 Phaedo|           again.~Yes, Socrates, he said; the conclusion seems to
 46 Phaedo|         were not unfair, Cebes, he said, may be shown, I think,
 47 Phaedo|         them.~What do you mean? he said.~A simple thing enough,
 48 Phaedo|            is no escape, Socrates, said Cebes; and to me your argument
 49 Phaedo|           absolutely true.~Yes, he said, Cebes, it is and must be
 50 Phaedo|   immortality.~But tell me, Cebes, said Simmias, interposing, what
 51 Phaedo|         them.~One excellent proof, said Cebes, is afforded by questions.
 52 Phaedo|             Compare Meno.)~But if, said Socrates, you are still
 53 Phaedo|             Incredulous, I am not, said Simmias; but I want to have
 54 Phaedo|           and, from what Cebes has said, I am beginning to recollect
 55 Phaedo|       knowledge, may not be fairly said to recollect that of which
 56 Phaedo|         inattention.~Very true, he said.~Well; and may you not also
 57 Phaedo|         recollected?~Very true, he said.~And shall we proceed a
 58 Phaedo|            essence?~To be sure, he said.~And whence did we obtain
 59 Phaedo|           that idea?~Very true, he said.~Which might be like, or
 60 Phaedo|     equality in a measure?~Yes, he said, in a very great measure
 61 Phaedo|         after birth, those who are said to learn only remember,
 62 Phaedo|         convince him too.~I think, said Simmias, that Cebes is satisfied:
 63 Phaedo|           end?~Very true, Simmias, said Cebes; about half of what
 64 Phaedo|            has been already given, said Socrates, if you put the
 65 Phaedo|        alone in the dark.~Socrates said: Let the voice of the charmer
 66 Phaedo|            Very good.~Must we not, said Socrates, ask ourselves
 67 Phaedo|           questions.~Very true, he said.~Now the compound or composite
 68 Phaedo|          Yes; I should imagine so, said Cebes.~And the uncompounded
 69 Phaedo|        never the same.~I agree, he said.~Then now let us return
 70 Phaedo|        seen?~That is very true, he said.~Well, then, added Socrates,
 71 Phaedo|             That is well and truly said, Socrates, he replied.~And
 72 Phaedo|       Cebes: of all which has been said is not this the conclusion?—
 73 Phaedo|         not this true, Cebes?~Yes, said Cebes, beyond a doubt.~But
 74 Phaedo|           suppose them to go?~Yes, said Cebes; with such natures,
 75 Phaedo|         there is no difficulty, he said, in assigning to all of
 76 Phaedo|     propensities?~There is not, he said.~Some are happier than others;
 77 Phaedo|        that would not become them, said Cebes.~No indeed, he replied;
 78 Phaedo|      Socrates?~I will tell you, he said. The lovers of knowledge
 79 Phaedo|      thinks.~What is it, Socrates? said Cebes.~The evil is that
 80 Phaedo|          us were, on what had been said; only Cebes and Simmias
 81 Phaedo|         was anything wanting? For, said he, there are many points
 82 Phaedo|            me to help you.~Simmias said: I must confess, Socrates,
 83 Phaedo|          yet the hoopoe; which are said indeed to tune a lay of
 84 Phaedo|        allow.~Very good, Socrates, said Simmias; then I will tell
 85 Phaedo|          who did not prove what is said about them to the uttermost,
 86 Phaedo|          hereafter with not having said at the time what I think.
 87 Phaedo|          us as his manner was, and said with a smile: Simmias has
 88 Phaedo|            tell me then, Cebes, he said, what was the difficulty
 89 Phaedo|          which troubled you?~Cebes said: I will tell you. My feeling
 90 Phaedo|       feeling at hearing what they said. When we had been so firmly
 91 Phaedo|          with my hair; and then he said: To-morrow, Phaedo, I suppose
 92 Phaedo|            shall I do with them? I said.~To-day, he replied, and
 93 Phaedo|          and defeated them.~Yes, I said, but Heracles himself is
 94 Phaedo|            but Heracles himself is said not to be a match for two.~
 95 Phaedo|            two.~Summon me then, he said, and I will be your Iolaus
 96 Phaedo|           That will do as well, he said. But first let us take care
 97 Phaedo|          danger.~Of what nature? I said.~Lest we become misologists,
 98 Phaedo|          them.~What do you mean? I said.~I mean, he replied, as
 99 Phaedo|         never observe this?~Yes, I said, I have.~And do you not
100 Phaedo|         And do you not imagine, he said, that if there were a competition
101 Phaedo|             that is very likely, I said.~Yes, that is very likely,
102 Phaedo|        flow.~That is quite true, I said.~Yes, Phaedo, he replied,
103 Phaedo|          realities.~Yes, indeed, I said; that is very melancholy.~
104 Phaedo|             in the first place, he said, be careful of allowing
105 Phaedo|         And now let us proceed, he said. And first of all let me
106 Phaedo|      lasting than the body, but he said that no one could know whether
107 Phaedo|         And what did you think, he said, of that part of the argument
108 Phaedo|           the argument in which we said that knowledge was recollection,
109 Phaedo|        enclosed in the body?~Cebes said that he had been wonderfully
110 Phaedo|       replied Simmias.~And yet, he said, there surely ought to be
111 Phaedo|            there is no harmony, he said, in the two propositions
112 Phaedo|            the matter, Simmias, he said, in another point of view:
113 Phaedo|          do not understand you, he said.~I mean to say that a harmony
114 Phaedo|        surely of two souls, one is said to have intelligence and
115 Phaedo|          an evil soul: and this is said truly?~Yes, truly.~But what
116 Phaedo|       agree with you, Socrates, he said.~And can all this be true,
117 Phaedo|        this be true, think you? he said; for these are the consequences
118 Phaedo|      cannot be true.~Once more, he said, what ruler is there of
119 Phaedo|     contradict ourselves.~True, he said.~Thus much, said Socrates,
120 Phaedo|          True, he said.~Thus much, said Socrates, of Harmonia, your
121 Phaedo|           way of propitiating him, said Cebes; I am sure that you
122 Phaedo|         fate.~Nay, my good friend, said Socrates, let us not boast,
123 Phaedo|            subtract anything.~But, said Cebes, as far as I see at
124 Phaedo|           reflection. At length he said: You are raising a tremendous
125 Phaedo|           I should very much like, said Cebes, to hear what you
126 Phaedo|         say.~Then I will tell you, said Socrates. When I was young,
127 Phaedo|            contracts, as some have said? Is the blood the element
128 Phaedo|            reasonable notion?~Yes, said Cebes, I think so.~Well;
129 Phaedo|            notion of such matters? said Cebes.~I should be far enough
130 Phaedo|            some one reading, as he said, from a book of Anaxagoras,
131 Phaedo|    appeared quite admirable, and I said to myself: If mind is the
132 Phaedo|           this was best; and if he said that the earth was in the
133 Phaedo|  conditions in all this. It may be said, indeed, that without bones
134 Phaedo|           There is nothing new, he said, in what I am about to tell
135 Phaedo|     immortality of the soul.~Cebes said: You may proceed at once
136 Phaedo|           grant you this.~Well, he said, then I should like to know
137 Phaedo|       notion of the cause?~Yes, he said, I agree.~He proceeded:
138 Phaedo|         you not?~Indeed, I should, said Cebes, laughing.~In like
139 Phaedo|         these cases.~Very true, he said.~Again, would you not be
140 Phaedo|         What you say is most true, said Simmias and Cebes, both
141 Phaedo|             if I remember rightly, said:—~This is your way of speaking;
142 Phaedo|           And therefore Simmias is said to be great, and is also
143 Phaedo|           to be great, and is also said to be small, because he
144 Phaedo|            remember which of them, said: In heaven’s name, is not
145 Phaedo|            I like your courage, he said, in reminding us of this.
146 Phaedo|         time, turning to Cebes, he said: Are you at all disconcerted,
147 Phaedo|   objection?~No, I do not feel so, said Cebes; and yet I cannot
148 Phaedo|           we are agreed after all, said Socrates, that the opposite
149 Phaedo|           when snow, as was before said, is under the influence
150 Phaedo|         and cold.~That is true, he said.~And in some cases the name
151 Phaedo|        with three? and this may be said not only of three but also
152 Phaedo|        remaining three?~Very true, said Cebes.~And yet, he said,
153 Phaedo|            said Cebes.~And yet, he said, the number two is certainly
154 Phaedo|           opposites.~Very true, he said.~Suppose, he said, that
155 Phaedo|         true, he said.~Suppose, he said, that we endeavour, if possible,
156 Phaedo|            You will agree?~Yes, he said, I entirely agree and go
157 Phaedo|           you in that.~And now, he said, let us begin again; and
158 Phaedo|            from what has been just said. I mean that if any one
159 Phaedo|          further examples.~Yes, he said, I quite understand you.~
160 Phaedo|           always the case?~Yes, he said, of course.~Then whatever
161 Phaedo|     opposite to life?~There is, he said.~And what is that?~Death.~
162 Phaedo|         replied Cebes.~And now, he said, what did we just now call
163 Phaedo|            just?~The unmusical, he said, and the unjust.~And what
164 Phaedo|            death?~The immortal, he said.~And does the soul admit
165 Phaedo|          soul is immortal?~Yes, he said.~And may we say that this
166 Phaedo|        admitted the heat?~True, he said.~Again, if the uncooling
167 Phaedo|          unaffected?~Certainly, he said.~And the same may be said
168 Phaedo|          said.~And the same may be said of the immortal: if the
169 Phaedo|          true.~And the same may be said of the immortal: if the
170 Phaedo|          other proof is needed, he said; for if the immortal, being
171 Phaedo|           perish.~Yes, all men, he said—that is true; and what is
172 Phaedo|            am convinced, Socrates, said Cebes, and have nothing
173 Phaedo|            wants to say or to have said.~But I have nothing more
174 Phaedo|          doubt after what has been said. But I still feel and cannot
175 Phaedo|     replied Socrates, that is well said: and I may add that first
176 Phaedo|         But then, O my friends, he said, if the soul is really immortal,
177 Phaedo|           education; and these are said greatly to benefit or greatly
178 Phaedo|        What do you mean, Socrates? said Simmias. I have myself heard
179 Phaedo|          conception of them.~That, said Simmias, will be enough.~
180 Phaedo|          be enough.~Well, then, he said, my conviction is, that
181 Phaedo|           is surely a correct one, said Simmias.~Also I believe
182 Phaedo|            The tale, my friend, he said, is as follows:—In the first
183 Phaedo|           had done speaking, Crito said: And have you any commands
184 Phaedo|        avail.~We will do our best, said Crito: And in what way shall
185 Phaedo|         his bath, but not much was said. Soon the jailer, who was
186 Phaedo|         Socrates looked at him and said: I return your good wishes,
187 Phaedo|             Then turning to us, he said, How charming the man is:
188 Phaedo|       attendant prepare some.~Yet, said Crito, the sun is still
189 Phaedo|           is time enough.~Socrates said: Yes, Crito, and they of
190 Phaedo|            cup of poison. Socrates said: You, my good friend, who
191 Phaedo|       manner was, took the cup and said: What do you say about making
192 Phaedo|           enough. I understand, he said: but I may and must ask
193 Phaedo|            this strange outcry? he said. I sent away the women mainly
194 Phaedo|          walked about until, as he said, his legs began to fail,
195 Phaedo|           if he could feel; and he said, No; and then his leg, and
196 Phaedo|          he felt them himself, and said: When the poison reaches
197 Phaedo|            covered himself up, and said—they were his last words—
198 Phaedo|        they were his last words—he said: Crito, I owe a cock to
199 Phaedo|            The debt shall be paid, said Crito; is there anything