Dialogue

  1 Phaedr|          philosophy to love and to art in general, and to the human
  2 Phaedr|         kinds: first, there is the art of divination or prophecy—
  3 Phaedr|             secondly, there is the art of purification by mysteries;
  4 Phaedr|        Spartan proverb says, ‘true art is truth’; whereas rhetoric
  5 Phaedr|             whereas rhetoric is an art of enchantment, which makes
  6 Phaedr|            is rather a part of the art of disputation, under which
  7 Phaedr|            as illustrations of the art of rhetoric; first distinguishing
  8 Phaedr|           gift of genius. The real art is always being confused
  9 Phaedr|           the preliminaries of the art. The perfection of oratory
 10 Phaedr|     natural power must be aided by art. But the art is not that
 11 Phaedr|           be aided by art. But the art is not that which is taught
 12 Phaedr|          this, if there be such an art, is the art of rhetoric.~
 13 Phaedr|       there be such an art, is the art of rhetoric.~I know that
 14 Phaedr|         are some professors of the art who maintain probability
 15 Phaedr|   beginning in this.~Enough of the art of speaking; let us now
 16 Phaedr|         ways to different kinds of art; to a statue, for example,
 17 Phaedr|           derived from one sort of art be hastily transferred to
 18 Phaedr|            the Gorgias between the art of speaking and the nature
 19 Phaedr|          the false or conventional art of rhetoric; secondly, love
 20 Phaedr|          thirdly, dialectic or the art of composition and division;
 21 Phaedr|      dialectic, and is neither the art of persuasion nor knowledge
 22 Phaedr|           the truth alone, but the art of persuasion founded on
 23 Phaedr|          of the ideas. Lastly, the art of rhetoric in the lower
 24 Phaedr|       keeping with a great work of art, and has no parallel elsewhere.~
 25 Phaedr|            and they masters of the art.’ True to his character,
 26 Phaedr|           that they must learn the art of living as well as loving.
 27 Phaedr|        ideal is not to be found in art; (5) There occurs the first
 28 Phaedr|           Greek. The master in the art of love knew that there
 29 Phaedr|           goodness which Christian art has sought to realize in
 30 Phaedr|         the fairest works of Greek art, Plato ever conceived himself
 31 Phaedr|            beginning to think that Art is enough, just at the time
 32 Phaedr|      enough, just at the time when Art is about to disappear from
 33 Phaedr|           putting ‘in the place of Art the preliminaries of Art,’
 34 Phaedr|           Art the preliminaries of Art,’ confusing Art the expression
 35 Phaedr|   preliminaries of Art,’ confusing Art the expression of mind and
 36 Phaedr|  expression of mind and truth with Art the composition of colours
 37 Phaedr|         lies’? Is not pleading ‘an art of speaking unconnected
 38 Phaedr|            Then again in the noble art of politics, who thinks
 39 Phaedr| statesmanship be described as the ‘art of enchanting’ the house?
 40 Phaedr|        neither having learned ‘the art of persuasion,’ nor having
 41 Phaedr|         greatest distrust of their art? What would Socrates think
 42 Phaedr|     enthusiasm to define the royal art of dialectic as the power
 43 Phaedr|            of inimitable grace and art and of the deepest wisdom
 44 Phaedr|           the very elements of the art which they are professing
 45 Phaedr|          esteemed genius far above art, and was quite sensible
 46 Phaedr|           either in language or in art. The Greek world became
 47 Phaedr|        standard of classical Greek art and literature that it had
 48 Phaedr|       decline of literature and of art seriously affects the manners
 49 Phaedr|           no hope of practising my art upon you. But if I am to
 50 Phaedr|      speech! He is a master in his art and I am an untaught man.~
 51 Phaedr|            for as much as it is an art which supplies from the
 52 Phaedr|          the temple by the help of art—he, I say, and his poetry
 53 Phaedr|         sight, or take from me the art of love which thou hast
 54 Phaedr|        truth will not give you the art of persuasion.~PHAEDRUS:
 55 Phaedr|         her witness that she is an art at all. But I seem to hear
 56 Phaedr|          routine and trick, not an art. Lo! a Spartan appears,
 57 Phaedr|            nor ever will be a real art of speaking which is divorced
 58 Phaedr|       taken generally, a universal art of enchanting the mind by
 59 Phaedr|       rather that I have heard the art confined to speaking and
 60 Phaedr|             And a professor of the art will make the same thing
 61 Phaedr|       Palamedes (Zeno), who has an art of speaking by which he
 62 Phaedr|           Very true.~SOCRATES: The art of disputation, then, is
 63 Phaedr|           of language; this is the art, if there be such an art,
 64 Phaedr|           art, if there be such an art, which is able to find a
 65 Phaedr|           would be a master of the art must understand the real
 66 Phaedr|   appearances, will only attain an art of rhetoric which is ridiculous
 67 Phaedr|           ridiculous and is not an art at all?~PHAEDRUS: That may
 68 Phaedr|            we look for examples of art and want of art, according
 69 Phaedr|        examples of art and want of art, according to our notion
 70 Phaedr|         that I have any rhetorical art of my own.~PHAEDRUS: Granted;
 71 Phaedr|           a clearer description if art could give us one.~PHAEDRUS:
 72 Phaedr|            And those who have this art, I have hitherto been in
 73 Phaedr|        this may not be that famous art of rhetoric which Thrasymachus
 74 Phaedr|           are royal men; but their art is not the same with the
 75 Phaedr|           is not the same with the art of those whom you call,
 76 Phaedr|          be brought under rules of art, must be a fine thing; and,
 77 Phaedr|          mean— the niceties of the art?~PHAEDRUS: Yes.~SOCRATES:
 78 Phaedr|        discovered the true rule of art, which was to be neither
 79 Phaedr|          that I have to say of the art of rhetoric: have you anything
 80 Phaedr|            is: What power has this art of rhetoric, and when?~PHAEDRUS:
 81 Phaedr|          real understanding of the art of medicine.~SOCRATES: And
 82 Phaedr|            that he is teaching the art of tragedy—?~PHAEDRUS: They
 83 Phaedr|       authors of such an imaginary art, their superior wisdom would
 84 Phaedr|           that they have found the art in the preliminary conditions
 85 Phaedr|       others, fancy that the whole art of rhetoric has been taught
 86 Phaedr|         several instruments of the art effectively, or making the
 87 Phaedr|          admit, Socrates, that the art of rhetoric which these
 88 Phaedr|        know where and how the true art of rhetoric and persuasion
 89 Phaedr|            may also be assisted by art. If you have the natural
 90 Phaedr|          extent defective. But the art, as far as there is an art,
 91 Phaedr|         art, as far as there is an art, of rhetoric does not lie
 92 Phaedr|          suited his purpose to the art of speaking.~PHAEDRUS: Explain.~
 93 Phaedr|       forth or treated by rules of art, whether in speaking or
 94 Phaedr|        that they write by rules of art?~PHAEDRUS: What is our method?~
 95 Phaedr|      proceed according to rules of art.~PHAEDRUS: Let me hear.~
 96 Phaedr|           SOCRATES: Oratory is the art of enchanting the soul,
 97 Phaedr|            a perfect master of his art; but if he fail in any of
 98 Phaedr|         that he speaks by rules of art, he who says ‘I don’t believe
 99 Phaedr|           account of the so-called art of rhetoric, or am I to
100 Phaedr|            the creation of such an art is not easy.~SOCRATES: Very
101 Phaedr|         speech furnishes the whole art.~PHAEDRUS: That is what
102 Phaedr|           a wonderfully mysterious art is this which Tisias or
103 Phaedr|     anything else to say about the art of speaking we should like
104 Phaedr|          by us of a true and false art of speaking.~PHAEDRUS: Certainly.~
105 Phaedr|           parent or inventor of an art is not always the best judge
106 Phaedr|          or receive in writing any art under the idea that the
107 Phaedr|          whom we censured, and his art of writing, and his discourses,
108 Phaedr|       informed about the nature of art and its opposite.~PHAEDRUS:
109 Phaedr|    arguments according to rules of art, as far as their nature
110 Phaedr|            them to be subjected to art, either for the purpose