Dialogue

 1 Phaedr|         and wants to make Socrates say that nothing was or ever
 2 Phaedr|         non-lover? He has said his say and is preparing to go away.~
 3 Phaedr|        Among ourselves,’ as we may say, a little parodying the
 4 Phaedr|            might have something to say for himself. Might he not
 5 Phaedr|          company. Better, he would say, a ‘little love at the beginning,’
 6 Phaedr|             in conclusion, he will say, is friendship, which does
 7 Phaedr|            their parable again and say:—that there were two loves,
 8 Phaedr|            rebuke’ us—would he not say that we are putting ‘in
 9 Phaedr|     practise without being able to say who were their instructors’—
10 Phaedr|           judgment.’ What would he say of the Church, which we
11 Phaedr|         taught.’ Socrates means to say, that what is truly written
12 Phaedr|            one had anything new to say, or any conviction of truth.
13 Phaedr|            relief or light. We may say that this, like several
14 Phaedr|          every other, we may truly say in a fuller sense than formerly
15 Phaedr|           higher import,’ as I may say in the words of Pindar, ‘
16 Phaedr|          him! I wish that he would say the poor man rather than
17 Phaedr|           PHAEDRUS: I will do as I say; but believe me, Socrates,
18 Phaedr|         are in the country, as you say, you really are like some
19 Phaedr|        gratify the beloved? If you say that the lover is more to
20 Phaedr|      greater; for he is willing to say and do what is hateful to
21 Phaedr|         things to come.~Further, I say that you are likely to be
22 Phaedr|          showing how well he could say the same thing in two or
23 Phaedr|           a prose writer. Why do I say so? Why, because I perceive
24 Phaedr|       earnest desire. Only, as you say, promise to make another
25 Phaedr|          The worst of authors will say something which is to the
26 Phaedr|        there is reason in what you say, and I too will be reasonable,
27 Phaedr|            other arguments, then I say again, that a statue you
28 Phaedr|           a farce, or compel me to say to you as you said to me, ‘
29 Phaedr| irresistible.~SOCRATES: Then don’t say it.~PHAEDRUS: Yes, but I
30 Phaedr|          word shall be an oath. ‘I say, or rather swear’—but what
31 Phaedr|           discourse has no more to say.~PHAEDRUS: Then why are
32 Phaedr|       ashamed and not know what to say.~PHAEDRUS: Only go on and
33 Phaedr|         the unspoken, I had better say further that the irrational
34 Phaedr|     kindred—that supreme desire, I say, which by leading conquers
35 Phaedr|         him great harm. That is to say, in his excessive fear lest
36 Phaedr|          sum up all that I have to say in a word, and pass on.
37 Phaedr|         their composition. You may say that a courtesan is hurtful,
38 Phaedr|          deficient. And now I will say no more; there has been
39 Phaedr|          standing still, as people say, in the meridian. Let us
40 Phaedr|          mean?~SOCRATES: I mean to say that as I was about to cross
41 Phaedr|           my own use, as you might say of a bad writer—his writing
42 Phaedr|        SOCRATES: It was foolish, I say,—to a certain extent, impious;
43 Phaedr|            a god?~PHAEDRUS: So men say.~SOCRATES: But that was
44 Phaedr|   agreeable to me than to hear you say so.~SOCRATES: Only think,
45 Phaedr|          censure?~PHAEDRUS: I dare say not, Socrates.~SOCRATES:
46 Phaedr|           by the help of art—he, I say, and his poetry are not
47 Phaedr|            the lover has a word to say to the charioteer; he would
48 Phaedr|          the prayer, Socrates, and say with you, if this be for
49 Phaedr|        down at us. What would they say if they saw that we, like
50 Phaedr|         not exactly that; I should say rather that I have heard
51 Phaedr|          would have allowed you to say as you did, that he is an
52 Phaedr|          into his head, but I dare say that you would recognize
53 Phaedr|             SOCRATES: Well, I will say no more about your friend’
54 Phaedr|        SOCRATES: You should rather say ‘madly;’ and madness was
55 Phaedr|          mean?~SOCRATES: I mean to say that the composition was
56 Phaedr|            said all that I have to say of the art of rhetoric:
57 Phaedr|            father Acumenus, and to say to him: ‘I know how to apply
58 Phaedr|            suppose that they would say?~PHAEDRUS: They would be
59 Phaedr|     himself’?~PHAEDRUS: They would say in reply that he is a madman
60 Phaedr|         Sophocles or Euripides and say that he knows how to make
61 Phaedr|           such an one he would not say to him savagely, ‘Fool,
62 Phaedr|             And will not Sophocles say to the display of the would-be
63 Phaedr|     tragedy? and will not Acumenus say the same of medicine to
64 Phaedr|            of day, what would they say? Instead of losing temper
65 Phaedr|           and Socrates, they would say; you should not be in such
66 Phaedr|         and such persons,’ he will say, are affected by this or
67 Phaedr|       knows that it is he, and can say to himself, ‘This is the
68 Phaedr|            he has learned;—when, I say, he knows the times and
69 Phaedr|             Well, the teacher will say, is this, Phaedrus and Socrates,
70 Phaedr|         hearing’?~PHAEDRUS: Do you say what can be said for him.~
71 Phaedr|          whole attention. And they say also that there are cases
72 Phaedr|           probability in view, and say good-bye to the truth. And
73 Phaedr|            of rhetoric do actually say, Socrates. I have not forgotten
74 Phaedr|    all-important.~SOCRATES: I dare say that you are familiar with
75 Phaedr|            lies: the coward should say that he was assaulted by
76 Phaedr|           has discovered. Shall we say a word to him or not?~PHAEDRUS:
77 Phaedr|            PHAEDRUS: What shall we say to him?~SOCRATES: Let us
78 Phaedr|            he has anything else to say about the art of speaking
79 Phaedr|       order that he may be able to say what is acceptable to God
80 Phaedr|            Truly, the argument may say, Tisias, that if you do
81 Phaedr|         you would tell me what you say that you have heard.~SOCRATES:
82 Phaedr|          will do the other, as you say, only in play.~SOCRATES:
83 Phaedr|           to him, whatever men may say. For not to know the nature
84 Phaedr|           to all of them we are to say that if their compositions