Dialogue

  1 Phileb|            the sciences and arts and true opinions are enumerated
  2 Phileb|        nature and kinds of pleasure, true and false opinion, the nature
  3 Phileb|             fourth, to knowledge and true opinion; the fifth, to pure
  4 Phileb|             Prometheus, who gave the true fire from heaven, is supposed
  5 Phileb|         contradictory statements are true. But the antinomy is so
  6 Phileb|        denied the claim of either to true existence. Of that positive
  7 Phileb|           whole, finding in them the true type both of human life
  8 Phileb|            classed with the arts and true opinions, because they proceed
  9 Phileb|         pleasures, like opinions, be true and false? In the sense
 10 Phileb|          both must be admitted to be true: nor can we deny that to
 11 Phileb|              us allow that there are true and false pleasures, we
 12 Phileb|      inscribed by them may be either true or false; and they may represent
 13 Phileb|    propositions, which are sometimes true, and sometimes false; for
 14 Phileb|             friends of the gods, see true pictures of the future,
 15 Phileb|              misfortunes of others? ‘True.’ And ignorance is a misfortune? ‘
 16 Phileb|        Fourth, sciences and arts and true opinions.~Fifth, painless
 17 Phileb|           these many theories is the true one? we may answer: All
 18 Phileb|              is thus regarded as the true and only end of human life.
 19 Phileb|              also be psychologically true—they must agree with our
 20 Phileb|              so we rob them of their true character. We give them
 21 Phileb|            own pleasure or interest. True religion is not working
 22 Phileb|           one of these aspects is as true and good as another; but
 23 Phileb|         happiness of mankind, though true enough, seems to have less
 24 Phileb|            happiness principle to be true and valuable, and the necessary
 25 Phileb|          good or for great evil. But true religion is the synthesis
 26 Phileb|        philosophy and of all art the true understanding is to be sought
 27 Phileb|           kindred, right opinion and true reasoning, are better and
 28 Phileb|            such a state?~PROTARCHUS: True.~SOCRATES: And what if there
 29 Phileb|          life of wisdom.~PROTARCHUS: True.~SOCRATES: Or suppose that
 30 Phileb|             in the matter?~PHILEBUS: True enough. Nevertheless I would
 31 Phileb|       obvious and detrimental to the true course of thought; and no
 32 Phileb|          mere art of disputation and true dialectic.~PROTARCHUS: I
 33 Phileb|           infinite.~PROTARCHUS: Very true.~SOCRATES: And yet not by
 34 Phileb|         grammarian.~PROTARCHUS: Very true.~SOCRATES: And the knowledge
 35 Phileb|          each of them one?~PHILEBUS: True.~SOCRATES: And the precise
 36 Phileb|            of wisdom.~SOCRATES: Most true, O son of Callias; and the
 37 Phileb|             to pleasure, and are the true objects of pursuit, are
 38 Phileb|           memory, nor knowledge, nor true opinion, you would in the
 39 Phileb|          with you; and if you had no true opinion you would not think
 40 Phileb|           Certainly that seems to be true.~SOCRATES: And now have
 41 Phileb|             of my ‘mind’; but of the true, which is also the divine
 42 Phileb|             pleasure. And if this is true, pleasure cannot be truly
 43 Phileb|             PROTARCHUS: That is most true.~SOCRATES: Ever, as we say,
 44 Phileb|        Socrates, that is exceedingly true.~SOCRATES: Yes, my dear
 45 Phileb|              and colder?~PROTARCHUS: True.~SOCRATES: Add to them drier,
 46 Phileb|            of life?~PROTARCHUS: Most true.~SOCRATES: I omit ten thousand
 47 Phileb|            appeared one.~PROTARCHUS: True.~SOCRATES: And the finite
 48 Phileb|            these, being a birth into true being, effected by the measure
 49 Phileb|         called one?~PROTARCHUS: Very true.~SOCRATES: And the same
 50 Phileb|           but different?~PROTARCHUS: True.~SOCRATES: Did not the things
 51 Phileb|              did we not?~PROTARCHUS: True.~SOCRATES: And we see what
 52 Phileb|     conqueror life.~PROTARCHUS: Most true.~SOCRATES: And what shall
 53 Phileb|            the universe.~PROTARCHUS: True.~SOCRATES: And is not our
 54 Phileb|           fire has.~PROTARCHUS: Most true.~SOCRATES: And is the fire
 55 Phileb|           elements.~PROTARCHUS: Very true.~SOCRATES: But is our body
 56 Phileb|             called.~PROTARCHUS: Very true.~SOCRATES: Do not then suppose
 57 Phileb|            the universe.~PROTARCHUS: True.~SOCRATES: And they furnish
 58 Phileb|            earnest.~PROTARCHUS: Very true.~SOCRATES: I think, friend,
 59 Phileb|           power of mind.~PROTARCHUS: True.~SOCRATES: And the class
 60 Phileb|              and a pain.~PROTARCHUS: True.~SOCRATES: Whereas eating
 61 Phileb|           pleasant.~PROTARCHUS: Very true.~SOCRATES: And the unnatural
 62 Phileb|            of pain?~PROTARCHUS: Very true.~SOCRATES: And do not forget
 63 Phileb|            second?~PROTARCHUS: Quite true.~SOCRATES: When I say oblivious,
 64 Phileb|      consciousness?~PROTARCHUS: Most true.~SOCRATES: Then now we know
 65 Phileb|       reminiscence?~PROTARCHUS: Very true.~SOCRATES: There is a reason
 66 Phileb|           replenishment?~PROTARCHUS: True.~SOCRATES: Then there must
 67 Phileb|          opposite state.~PROTARCHUS: True.~SOCRATES: And the argument,
 68 Phileb|           the soul.~PROTARCHUS: Most true.~SOCRATES: The argument
 69 Phileb|          succeeds to it.~PROTARCHUS: True.~SOCRATES: And what would
 70 Phileb|            despair?~PROTARCHUS: Very true.~SOCRATES: And has he not
 71 Phileb|          possible.~PROTARCHUS: Quite true, Socrates.~SOCRATES: Shall
 72 Phileb|            which we are speaking are true or false? or some true and
 73 Phileb|           are true or false? or some true and some false?~PROTARCHUS:
 74 Phileb|             Protarchus, can there be true and false fears, or true
 75 Phileb|             true and false fears, or true and false expectations,
 76 Phileb|           and false expectations, or true and false opinions?~PROTARCHUS:
 77 Phileb|           grant that opinions may be true or false, but not pleasures.~
 78 Phileb|      pleasures are false, and others true?~PROTARCHUS: To be sure
 79 Phileb|            of something?~PROTARCHUS: True.~SOCRATES: And a man must
 80 Phileb|              Yes; that is also quite true.~SOCRATES: Then, how can
 81 Phileb|              how can opinion be both true and false, and pleasure
 82 Phileb|              and false, and pleasure true only, although pleasure
 83 Phileb|             by us.~PROTARCHUS: Quite true.~SOCRATES: And if badness
 84 Phileb|          pleasure?~PROTARCHUS: Quite true, Socrates.~SOCRATES: And
 85 Phileb|              an opinion which is not true, but false?~PROTARCHUS:
 86 Phileb|             and also such a thing as true opinion?~PROTARCHUS: Yes.~
 87 Phileb|           consequent upon these—upon true and false opinion, I mean.~
 88 Phileb|             I mean.~PROTARCHUS: Very true.~SOCRATES: And do not opinion
 89 Phileb|              appearance.~PROTARCHUS: True.~SOCRATES: To which he may
 90 Phileb|  considerable time.~PROTARCHUS: Very true.~SOCRATES: Well, now, I
 91 Phileb|           feeling writes truly, then true opinion and true propositions
 92 Phileb|         truly, then true opinion and true propositions which are the
 93 Phileb|              the images answering to true opinions and words are true,
 94 Phileb|          true opinions and words are true, and to false opinions and
 95 Phileb|             future?~PROTARCHUS: Most true.~SOCRATES: And do all those
 96 Phileb|             the reverse?~PROTARCHUS: True.~SOCRATES: And all men,
 97 Phileb|            good fortune.~PROTARCHUS: True.~SOCRATES: And may we not
 98 Phileb|             the gods, have generally true pictures presented to them,
 99 Phileb|           pleasures, and the good in true pleasures?~PROTARCHUS: Doubtless.~
100 Phileb|           ludicrous imitation of the true, and there are pains of
101 Phileb|            future?~PROTARCHUS: Quite true.~SOCRATES: And this was
102 Phileb|         except in as far as they are true or false?~PROTARCHUS: In
103 Phileb|           decision.~PROTARCHUS: Very true; that is to say, if there
104 Phileb|             experienced.~PROTARCHUS: True.~SOCRATES: Then now you
105 Phileb|             magnitudes obscure their true proportions, and make us
106 Phileb|               Then the opinions were true and false, and infected
107 Phileb|            falsity.~PROTARCHUS: Very true.~SOCRATES: But now it is
108 Phileb|       pleasures which are said to be true and false because they are
109 Phileb|          pleasure or pain is real or true.~PROTARCHUS: Certainly not.~
110 Phileb|            latter alternative is the true one.~SOCRATES: Then we were
111 Phileb|     pleasures and pains?~PROTARCHUS: True.~SOCRATES: A better and
112 Phileb|             SOCRATES: But if this be true, the life to which I was
113 Phileb|             of joy.~PROTARCHUS: Very true.~SOCRATES: We may assume
114 Phileb|            from me what I deem to be true pleasures. Having thus examined
115 Phileb|           Then if we want to see the true nature of pleasures as a
116 Phileb|        greatest desires?~PROTARCHUS: True.~SOCRATES: And do not people
117 Phileb|            Very good, and if this be true, then the greatest pleasures
118 Phileb|             That description is very true to nature.~SOCRATES: And
119 Phileb|            predominates?~PROTARCHUS: True.~SOCRATES: Of cases in which
120 Phileb|            That, Socrates, is a very true description of the opinions
121 Phileb|               Yes, Protarchus, quite true of the mixed pleasures,
122 Phileb|             believe that to be quite true.~SOCRATES: There still remains
123 Phileb|             PROTARCHUS: That is very true, but I do not as yet see
124 Phileb|   unrighteous pain?~PROTARCHUS: Most true.~SOCRATES: There is nothing
125 Phileb|          always an evil?~PROTARCHUS: True.~SOCRATES: And the three
126 Phileb|            same instant.~PROTARCHUS: True.~SOCRATES: And the argument
127 Phileb|            right in conceiving to be true?~SOCRATES: True pleasures
128 Phileb|     conceiving to be true?~SOCRATES: True pleasures are those which
129 Phileb|          very few.~PROTARCHUS: Quite true.~SOCRATES: And now, having
130 Phileb|              of us.~PROTARCHUS: Most true.~SOCRATES: Let us investigate
131 Phileb|             unadulterated.~SOCRATES: True, Protarchus; and so the
132 Phileb|             a generation, and has no true being? Do not certain ingenious
133 Phileb|            some essence?~PROTARCHUS: True.~SOCRATES: And that for
134 Phileb|          generation only, and had no true being at all; for he is
135 Phileb|             educational?~PROTARCHUS: True.~SOCRATES: And in the productive
136 Phileb|            certain.~PROTARCHUS: Most true.~SOCRATES: And the same
137 Phileb|        generalship.~PROTARCHUS: Very true.~SOCRATES: The art of the
138 Phileb| straightening wood.~PROTARCHUS: Very true, Socrates.~SOCRATES: Then
139 Phileb|            parallel to pleasure, and true to that original design,
140 Phileb|          certainty?~PROTARCHUS: Very true.~SOCRATES: And just now
141 Phileb|           life is spent?~PROTARCHUS: True.~SOCRATES: He is labouring,
142 Phileb|             become.~PROTARCHUS: Very true.~SOCRATES: And can we say
143 Phileb|              the stable and pure and true and unalloyed has to do
144 Phileb|              class.~PROTARCHUS: Very true.~SOCRATES: And of the names
145 Phileb|              in the contemplation of true being?~PROTARCHUS: Certainly.~
146 Phileb|           pleasure?~PROTARCHUS: Very true, Socrates.~SOCRATES: In
147 Phileb|            says that pleasure is the true end of all living beings,
148 Phileb|             wisdom and knowledge and true opinion to belong to the
149 Phileb|            in the mixed.~PROTARCHUS: True.~SOCRATES: There is greater
150 Phileb|              understanding about the true nature of this and of all
151 Phileb|      mingling in a single stream the true portions of both according
152 Phileb|         pleasures.~PROTARCHUS: Quite true.~SOCRATES: And now the time
153 Phileb|           once, or at first only the true ones.~PROTARCHUS: It will
154 Phileb|         safer course to let flow the true ones first.~SOCRATES: Let
155 Phileb|          spoken well.~SOCRATES: Very true. And now let us go back
156 Phileb|        companions in addition to the true ones? ‘Why, Socrates,’ they
157 Phileb|      forgotten and unheeded; but the true and pure pleasures, of which
158 Phileb|            and to divine what is the true form of good—there would
159 Phileb|             the behalf of memory and true opinion?~PROTARCHUS: Most
160 Phileb|              of it.~PROTARCHUS: Most true.~SOCRATES: And now the power
161 Phileb|              world over.~PROTARCHUS: True.~SOCRATES: Also we said
162 Phileb|             that family.~PROTARCHUS: True.~SOCRATES: And if you reckon
163 Phileb|           soul—sciences and arts and true opinions as we called them?
164 Phileb|           our discourse.~PROTARCHUS: True.~SOCRATES: Then let us sum
165 Phileb|           than pleasure.~PROTARCHUS: True.~SOCRATES: But, suspecting
166 Phileb|            of them.~PROTARCHUS: Very true.~SOCRATES: The claims both
167 Phileb|         perfection.~PROTARCHUS: Most true.~SOCRATES: But, though they
168 Phileb|              rank fifth.~PROTARCHUS: True.~SOCRATES: But not first;