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 1 Phileb|                                       Philebus~
 2 Phileb|         INTRODUCTION AND ANALYSIS~The Philebus appears to be one of the
 3 Phileb|              say how far Plato in the Philebus conceives the finite and
 4 Phileb|           remark. The Socrates of the Philebus is devoid of any touch of
 5 Phileb|              to take the better part. Philebus, who has withdrawn from
 6 Phileb|               whom he is surrounded, ‘Philebus’ boys’ as they are termed,
 7 Phileb|           enthusiast or lover, in the Philebus, as in all the later writings
 8 Phileb|             is less advanced than the Philebus, which contains, perhaps,
 9 Phileb|            and dialectical power, the Philebus falls very far short of
10 Phileb|             well as subject, that the Philebus belongs to the later period
11 Phileb|         Enough.’~‘Bidding farewell to Philebus and Socrates,’ we may now
12 Phileb|               VI) the relation of the Philebus to the Republic, and to
13 Phileb|              of knowledge;— so in the Philebus he urges the necessity of
14 Phileb|        appealing to tradition, in the Philebus as well as in the Timaeus.
15 Phileb|             same dialogue. Nor in the Philebus is he careful to show in
16 Phileb|        pleasure from knowledge in the Philebus than we can separate justice
17 Phileb|               account is given in the Philebus of the rank and order of
18 Phileb|              is not cleared up in the Philebus.~V. Thus far we have only
19 Phileb|         ascertain the relation of the Philebus to the other dialogues.
20 Phileb|            may be noticed between the Philebus and Gorgias. The theory
21 Phileb|              although the view of the Philebus, which is probably the later
22 Phileb|          assigning a late date to the Philebus. That the date is probably
23 Phileb|        shorter dialogues, such as the Philebus, the Sophist, and the Statesman,
24 Phileb|           ideas of Anaxagoras, in the Philebus, than to say how much is
25 Phileb|               youth, he speaks in the Philebus, as in the Theaetetus and
26 Phileb|         category of relation.~...~The Philebus, like the Cratylus, is supposed
27 Phileb|            already carried on between Philebus and Socrates. The argument
28 Phileb|               Apol.; Crat.; Protag.). Philebus, who appears to be the teacher,
29 Phileb|               us appeal to Gorgias or Philebus or Socrates, but ask, on
30 Phileb| recapitulating the question at issue.~Philebus affirmed pleasure to be
31 Phileb|               Utilitarianism). In the Philebus, Plato, although he regards
32 Phileb|                Like Protarchus in the Philebus, we can give no answer to
33 Phileb|             the question asked in the Philebus, ‘What rank does pleasure
34 Phileb|                like the reader of the Philebus, we have a difficulty in
35 Phileb|               the human soul.~...~The Philebus is probably the latest in
36 Phileb|         nearer approach to him in the Philebus than in the earlier Platonic
37 Phileb|             between the Parmenides or Philebus of Plato, and the Physics
38 Phileb|             But although Plato in the Philebus does not come into any close
39 Phileb|               several passages in the Philebus which are very characteristic
40 Phileb|                                       PHILEBUS~PERSONS OF THE DIALOGUE:
41 Phileb|       DIALOGUE: Socrates, Protarchus, Philebus.~SOCRATES: Observe, Protarchus,
42 Phileb|            are now going to take from Philebus, and what the other position
43 Phileb|               By all means.~SOCRATES: Philebus was saying that enjoyment
44 Phileb|             things. Have I not given, Philebus, a fair statement of the
45 Phileb|            two sides of the argument?~PHILEBUS: Nothing could be fairer,
46 Phileb|        otherwise, since our excellent Philebus has left the field.~SOCRATES:
47 Phileb|        SOCRATES: And what do you say, Philebus?~PHILEBUS: I say, and shall
48 Phileb|            what do you say, Philebus?~PHILEBUS: I say, and shall always
49 Phileb|          Protarchus.~PROTARCHUS: You, Philebus, have handed over the argument
50 Phileb|         longer a voice in the matter?~PHILEBUS: True enough. Nevertheless
51 Phileb|            And now, Socrates, whether Philebus is pleased or displeased,
52 Phileb|              goddess herself, of whom Philebus says that she is called
53 Phileb|               to hear them discussed; Philebus, fortunately for us, is
54 Phileb|              not a danger that we and Philebus may all set upon you, if
55 Phileb|              unimportant, my boys, as Philebus calls you, and there neither
56 Phileb|              now saying is excellent, Philebus.~PHILEBUS: I think so too,
57 Phileb|               is excellent, Philebus.~PHILEBUS: I think so too, but how
58 Phileb|               the argument?~SOCRATES: Philebus is right in asking that
59 Phileb|            art of grammar or letters.~PHILEBUS: The illustration, Protarchus,
60 Phileb|       SOCRATES: Are you going to ask, Philebus, what this has to do with
61 Phileb|              to do with the argument?~PHILEBUS: Yes, that is a question
62 Phileb|             have been so long asking?~PHILEBUS: How so?~SOCRATES: Did we
63 Phileb|               of pleasure and wisdom?~PHILEBUS: Certainly.~SOCRATES: And
64 Phileb|            they are each of them one?~PHILEBUS: True.~SOCRATES: And the
65 Phileb|              a very serious question, Philebus, to which Socrates has ingeniously
66 Phileb|              of human goods. For when Philebus said that pleasure and delight
67 Phileb|                SOCRATES: In what way?~PHILEBUS: Do not perplex us, and
68 Phileb|        recalled something to my mind.~PHILEBUS: What is that?~SOCRATES:
69 Phileb|               sufficiently shown that Philebus’ goddess is not to be regarded
70 Phileb|              identical with the good?~PHILEBUS: Neither is your ‘mind’
71 Phileb|        objections.~SOCRATES: Perhaps, Philebus, you may be right in saying
72 Phileb|             to argue in opposition to Philebus, that the element which
73 Phileb|              the soul: O my beautiful Philebus, the goddess, methinks,
74 Phileb|           order, whereby, as you say, Philebus, she torments, or as I maintain,
75 Phileb|                And what shall we say, Philebus, of your life which is all
76 Phileb|           question before you answer?~PHILEBUS: Let me hear.~SOCRATES:
77 Phileb|              admits of more and less?~PHILEBUS: They belong to the class
78 Phileb|             SOCRATES: Nor would pain, Philebus, be perfectly evil. And
79 Phileb|             classes, O Protarchus and Philebus, can we without irreverence
80 Phileb|              if we err on this point.~PHILEBUS: You magnify, Socrates,
81 Phileb|              Socrates is quite right, Philebus, and we must submit to him.~
82 Phileb|            and we must submit to him.~PHILEBUS: And did not you, Protarchus,
83 Phileb|             one; but did I really, as Philebus implies, disconcert you
84 Phileb|          object, a little more fully.~PHILEBUS: Take your own course, Socrates,
85 Phileb|               boy, for you are one of Philebus’ boys, the point to be considered,
86 Phileb|         certain enemies of our friend Philebus.~PROTARCHUS: And who may
87 Phileb|               that what the school of Philebus calls pleasures are all
88 Phileb|             any personal reference to Philebus, but because, without the
89 Phileb|           judgment can be given which Philebus demands.~PROTARCHUS: Very
90 Phileb|             farewell, to you or me or Philebus or Gorgias, and urge on
91 Phileb|                Let me hear.~SOCRATES: Philebus says that pleasure is the
92 Phileb|           impossible; and now you and Philebus must tell me whether anything
93 Phileb|            PROTARCHUS: How?~SOCRATES: Philebus affirmed that pleasure was
94 Phileb|           which is maintained, not by Philebus only, but by thousands of