Dialogue

  1 Repub|             praises of wealth. That is true, he said. ~Yes, that is
  2 Repub|               said. ~Yes, that is very true, but may I ask another question?-
  3 Repub|               thought that they may be true: either from the weakness
  4 Repub|               be denied to be a debt. ~True. ~Then when the person who
  5 Repub|                pilot would be better? ~True. ~Then what is that joint
  6 Repub|              best able to create one? ~True. ~And he is the best guard
  7 Repub|               and conversely? ~That is true. ~Then to them the good
  8 Repub|            evil will be their friends? True. ~And in that case they
  9 Repub|            would not do an injustice? ~True. ~Then according to your
 10 Repub|            meaning of Simonides. ~Very true, he said; and I think that
 11 Repub|             that what you say is quite true, Socrates. ~Then if a man
 12 Repub|                not wise; for it is not true, if, as has been clearly
 13 Repub|                to your enemies." ~Most true, he said. ~Yes, I said;
 14 Repub|             which you interdict be the true answer to the question,
 15 Repub|            others, I replied, is quite true; but that I am ungrateful
 16 Repub|               forbade me to use. It is true, however, that in your definition
 17 Repub|           rightly, and sometimes not? ~True. ~When they make them rightly,
 18 Repub|                respect of the mistake? True, we say that the physician
 19 Repub|               I am now speaking of the true physician. ~A healer of
 20 Repub|              pilot-that is to say, the true pilot-is he a captain of
 21 Repub|                over the sailors. ~Very true, he said. ~Now, I said,
 22 Repub|             the interest of the body? ~True, he said. ~Nor does the
 23 Repub|             the subject of their art? ~True, he said. ~But surely, Thrasymachus,
 24 Repub|                of his patient; for the true physician is also a ruler
 25 Repub|          rulers of States, if they are true rulers, never think of their
 26 Repub|               learned whether they are true or not? Is the attempt to
 27 Repub|              you began by defining the true physician in an exact sense,
 28 Repub|            States, that is to say, the true rulers, like being in authority. ~
 29 Repub|              all have the common use? ~True, he replied. ~And when the
 30 Repub|             his orders to another, the true artist does not regard his
 31 Repub|            they are, a disgrace? ~Very true. ~And for this reason, I
 32 Repub|              have plain proof that the true ruler is not meant by nature
 33 Repub|               he is saying what is not true? ~Most certainly, he replied. ~
 34 Repub|                is your business. ~Very true, I said; that is what I
 35 Repub|               may have more than all? ~True. ~We may put the matter
 36 Repub|                 And the wise is good? ~True. ~Then the wise and good
 37 Repub|                of them in subjection? ~True, he replied; and I will
 38 Repub|                friendship; is not that true, Thrasymachus? ~I agree,
 39 Repub|              and the just? Is not that true, Thrasymachus? ~Yes. And,
 40 Repub|              together, is not strictly true, for, if they had been perfectly
 41 Repub|    pruning-hook made for the purpose? ~True. ~May we not say that this
 42 Repub|               and an excellence also? ~True. ~And the same is true of
 43 Repub|                 True. ~And the same is true of all other things; they
 44 Repub|              cannot fulfil their end? ~True. ~And the same observation
 45 Repub|               just-if what they say is true, Socrates, since I myself
 46 Repub|           either in verse or prose the true essential nature of either
 47 Repub|             conceive, perverting their true nature. But I speak in this
 48 Repub|             away from each of them his true reputation and add on the
 49 Repub|           piece of good-fortune. ~Very true, said Adeimantus; but how
 50 Repub|                the virtue of a State. ~True, he replied. ~And is not
 51 Repub|        inhabitants is termed a State. ~True, he said. ~And they exchange
 52 Repub|               be for their good. ~Very true. ~Then, I said, let us begin
 53 Repub|              idea a State; and yet the true creator is necessity, who
 54 Repub|                clothing and the like. ~True. ~And now let us see how
 55 Repub|           different occupations. ~Very true. ~And will you have a work
 56 Repub|             the weaver and shoemaker. ~True. ~Then carpenters and smiths
 57 Repub|            already beginning to grow? ~True. ~Yet even if we add neatherds,
 58 Repub|                be very large. ~That is true; yet neither will it be
 59 Repub|              wants are supplied. ~Very true. ~Then more husbandmen and
 60 Repub|             the price of their labor. ~True. ~Then hirelings will help
 61 Repub|               a relish to their meal. ~True, I replied, I had forgotten;
 62 Repub|           originate. In my opinion the true and healthy constitution
 63 Repub|           materials must be procured. ~True, he said. ~Then we must
 64 Repub|                 and not enough? ~Quite true. ~Then a slice of our neighbors'
 65 Repub|               arts with success. ~Very true, he said. ~But is not war
 66 Repub|        attention as shoemaking? ~Quite true. ~And the shoemaker was
 67 Repub|             required in the guardian. ~True. ~And also of the mental
 68 Repub|              enemies to destroy them. ~True, he said. ~What is to be
 69 Repub|           contradiction of the other? ~True. ~He will not be a good
 70 Repub|            afraid that what you say is true, he replied. ~Here feeling
 71 Repub|                charming; your dog is a true philosopher. ~Why? ~Why,
 72 Repub|               and music for the soul. ~True. ~Shall we begin education
 73 Repub|               literature may be either true or false? ~Yes. ~And the
 74 Repub|                learn gymnastics. ~Very true. ~That was my meaning when
 75 Repub|             more readily taken. ~Quite true. ~And shall we just carelessly
 76 Repub|            upon him, even if they were true, ought certainly not to
 77 Repub|              another, for they are not true. No, we shall never mention
 78 Repub|              not their business. ~Very true, he said; but what are these
 79 Repub|               appears to me to be most true, he said. ~Then we must
 80 Repub|               any external influence? ~True. ~And the same principle,
 81 Repub|               and circumstances. ~Very true. ~Then everything which
 82 Repub|           suffer change from without? ~True. ~But surely God and the
 83 Repub|                virtue or beauty. ~Very true, Adeimantus; but then, would
 84 Repub|             not know, I said, that the true lie, if such an expression
 85 Repub|             deceived may be called the true lie; for the lie in words
 86 Repub|                  Perfectly right. ~The true lie is hated not only by
 87 Repub|              turn it to account. ~Very true, he said. ~But can any of
 88 Repub|               God perfectly simple and true both in word and deed; he
 89 Repub|               as men can be, should be true worshippers of the gods
 90 Repub|            must have no more of them. ~True. ~Another and a nobler strain
 91 Repub|           least in need of other men. ~True, he said. ~And for this
 92 Repub|             Yes, he said, that is most true. ~Yes, I replied; but that
 93 Repub|              his fellow-sailors. ~Most true, he said. ~If, then, the
 94 Repub|    self-control in sensual pleasures? ~True. ~Then we shall approve
 95 Repub|          saying, are neither pious nor true, for we have already proved
 96 Repub|               already laid down. ~Very true. ~And what shall we say
 97 Repub|               to be just or not. ~Most true, he said. ~Enough of the
 98 Repub|          intermediate passages? ~Quite true. ~But when the poet speaks
 99 Repub|                way of imitation? ~Very true. ~Or, if the poet everywhere
100 Repub|        Certainly. ~And this is equally true of imitation; no one man
101 Repub|       rhapsodists and actors at once? ~True. ~Neither are comic and
102 Repub|          imitations are copies. ~Quite true, he replied. ~If then we
103 Repub|           practised or imitated. ~Very true, he replied. ~Neither may
104 Repub|            same rhythm? ~That is quite true, he said. ~Whereas the other
105 Repub|                 That is also perfectly true, he replied. ~And do not
106 Repub|              and the same throughout? ~True, he said. ~And therefore
107 Repub|                and strains of sorrow? ~True. ~And which are the harmonies
108 Repub|               on simplicity-I mean the true simplicity of a rightly
109 Repub|             euphemism for folly? ~Very true, he replied. ~And if our
110 Repub|               likeness. ~That is quite true, he said. ~But shall our
111 Repub|              are gifted to discern the true nature of the beautiful
112 Repub|               he who has received this true education of the inner being
113 Repub|             art and nature, and with a true taste, while he praises
114 Repub|               wherever they are found: True  - Or, as we recognize the
115 Repub|            inharmonious soul? ~That is true, he replied, if the deficiency
116 Repub|                 nor a madder. ~Whereas true love is a love of beauty
117 Repub| order-temperate and harmonious? ~Quite true, he said. ~Then no intemperance
118 Repub|          should be allowed to approach true love? ~Certainly not. ~Then
119 Repub|         carrying about pots and pans. ~True. ~And I can hardly be mistaken
120 Repub|              health in the body. ~Most true, he said. ~But when intemperance
121 Repub|              of his occupation? ~Quite true, he said. ~But with the
122 Repub|            cure nothing. ~That is very true, he said. ~But with the
123 Repub|               wise than foolish. ~Most true, he said. ~Then the good
124 Repub|               be gentle and moderate. ~True. ~And in our opinion the
125 Repub|            cowardly and boorish? ~Very true. ~And, when a man allows
126 Repub|                a feeble warrior. ~Very true. ~If the element of spirit
127 Repub|                purged of their mists? ~True, he said. ~And he ends by
128 Repub|              and grace. ~That is quite true, he said. ~And as there
129 Repub|              may be rightly called the true musician and harmonist in
130 Repub|            special care of the State? ~True. ~And a man will be most
131 Repub|               to affect his own? ~Very true, he replied. ~Then there
132 Repub|               you were going to tell. ~True, I replied, but there is
133 Repub|             they ought to be, and that true education, whatever that
134 Repub|                their protection. ~Very true, he replied. ~And not only
135 Repub|               mean our guardians to be true saviours and not the destroyers
136 Repub|           indolent and careless? ~Very true. ~And the result will be
137 Repub|              discontent. ~That is very true, he replied; but still I
138 Repub|             army of rich men. ~That is true, he said. ~And do you not
139 Repub|           times greater. ~That is most true, he said. ~And what, I said,
140 Repub|               well as public. ~Is that true? I said. ~That is my belief,
141 Repub|               virtuous citizens. ~Very true, he said. ~And when they
142 Repub|             raise them up again. ~Very true, he said. ~Thus educated,
143 Repub|             conceive, I said, that the true legislator will not trouble
144 Repub|         clearly be the one left. ~Very true, he said. ~And is not a
145 Repub|           being good in counsel? ~Very true. ~And good counsel is clearly
146 Repub|              in our city more of these true guardians or more smiths? ~
147 Repub|               classes the least. ~Most true. ~Thus, then, I said, the
148 Repub|                dye wool for making the true sea-purple, begin by selecting
149 Repub|              universal saving power of true opinion in conformity with
150 Repub|               end of our search. ~Very true. ~Now, can we find justice
151 Repub|               see that what you say is true. ~Let me further note that
152 Repub|               the guidance of mind and true opinion, are to be found
153 Repub|               and best educated. ~Very true. These two, as you may perceive,
154 Repub|              the law ordains about the true nature of dangers, or wisdom
155 Repub|              and belongs to him? ~Very true. ~Think, now, and say whether
156 Repub|               ruin of the State. ~Most true. Seeing, then, I said, that
157 Repub|                of these same classes? ~True, he said. ~And so of the
158 Repub|                hard is the good. ~Very true, I said; and I do not think
159 Repub|         solution of this question; the true method is another and a
160 Repub|              another is at rest. ~Very true. ~And suppose the objector
161 Repub|                asked a question? ~Very true. ~And what would you say
162 Repub|       Certainly. ~Admitting this to be true of desire generally, let
163 Repub|            good drink; and the same is true of every other desire. ~
164 Repub|           other relatives; is not this true of all of them? ~Yes. ~And
165 Repub|                assuming that to be the true definition), but the object
166 Repub|           particular kind; and this is true of the other arts and sciences? ~
167 Repub|                to be excited by them. ~True, he said. ~But when he thinks
168 Repub|                is rebuked by it. ~Very true, he said. ~And so, after
169 Repub|             harmony and rhythm? ~Quite true, he said. ~And these two,
170 Repub|               whole life of man? ~Very true, he said. ~Both together
171 Repub|                commands and counsels? ~True. ~And he is to be deemed
172 Repub|        Certainly, he said, that is the true account of temperance whether
173 Repub|               the inward, which is the true self and concernment of
174 Repub|           rebellious subject against a true prince, of whom he is the
175 Repub|              with this natural order? ~True. ~And is not the creation
176 Repub|               deformity, of the same? ~True. ~And do not good practices
177 Repub|         distinguished man or by many. ~True, he replied. ~But I regard
178 Repub|                be maintained. ~That is true, he replied. ~
179 Repub|                   SUCH is the good and true City or State, and the good
180 Repub|                State, and the good and true man is of the same pattern;
181 Repub|               watch-dogs of the herd. ~True. ~Let us further suppose
182 Repub|           riding upon horseback! ~Very true, he replied. Yet, having
183 Repub|                that of the good. ~Very true, he replied. ~First, then,
184 Repub|               swim all the same. ~Very true. ~And must not we swim and
185 Repub|              to have the same nature. ~True. ~Whereas the physician
186 Repub|               the same pursuits. ~Very true, he said. ~Next, we shall
187 Repub|              the whole what you say is true. ~And if so, my friend,
188 Repub|               inferior to a man. ~Very true. ~Then are we to impose
189 Repub|             music in her nature? ~Very true. ~And one woman has a turn
190 Repub|          without spirit? ~That is also true. ~Then one woman will have
191 Repub|                and in character? ~Very true. ~And ought not the same
192 Repub|            nature. ~That appears to be true. ~We had to consider, first,
193 Repub|              beneficial to the State? ~True. ~Then let the wives of
194 Repub|            hurtful is the base." ~Very true. ~Here, then, is one difficulty
195 Repub|               to the mass of mankind. ~True, I said; and this, Glaucon,
196 Repub|              some better than others? ~True. ~And do you breed from
197 Repub|               of a man. ~That is quite true, he said; but to what are
198 Repub|              out into rebellion. ~Very true. ~Had we better not appoint
199 Repub|                many sons as possible. ~True. ~And the proper officers,
200 Repub|               the prime of life? ~Very true. ~And what is the prime
201 Repub|                and strange lust. ~Very true, he replied. ~And the same
202 Repub|               and unconsecrated. ~Very true, he replied. ~This applies,
203 Repub|              to the same thing? ~Quite true. ~Or that again which most
204 Repub|        alleviation of suffering. ~Very true, he replied; and I agree
205 Repub|              has rulers and subjects? ~True. ~All of whom will call
206 Repub|                in all their actions be true to the name? For example,
207 Repub|            well" or "it is ill." ~Most true. ~And agreeably to this
208 Repub|        intended them to preserve their true character of guardians. ~
209 Repub|                sons, fathers. ~That is true, he replied. ~Then in every
210 Repub|               to valor. ~That is quite true, Socrates; and yet if they
211 Repub|             State will never recover. ~True, I said; but would you never
212 Repub|                then all will be well. ~True. ~Their parents may be supposed
213 Repub|             about the dangerous ones? ~True. ~And they will place them
214 Repub|            deal of chance about them? ~True. ~Then against such chances
215 Repub|             strengthening thing. ~Most true, he said. ~Then in this,
216 Repub|            this love of plunder. ~Very true. ~And is there not illiberality
217 Repub|              by the god himself? ~Very true. ~Again, as to the devastation
218 Repub|             does the strife appear! No true lover of his country would
219 Repub|                justice and injustice. ~True, he replied; but what of
220 Repub|             they could exist in fact. ~True, he said. ~Would a painter
221 Repub|            Very good. ~And the same is true of ambitious men; if they
222 Repub|              and not a good one? ~Very true, he said. ~Whereas he who
223 Repub|              He said: Who then are the true philosophers? ~Those, I
224 Repub|             two, each of them is one? ~True again. ~And of just and
225 Repub|           lights and appear many? Very true. ~And this is the distinction
226 Repub|               loving absolute beauty. ~True, he replied. ~Few are they
227 Repub|               the sight of this. ~Very true. ~And he who, having a sense
228 Repub|           properly speaking, nothing? ~True. ~Of not-being, ignorance
229 Repub|     correlative; of being, knowledge? ~True, he said. ~Then opinion
230 Repub|           knowledge? ~That seems to be true. ~But is opinion to be sought
231 Repub|                interval between them? ~True. ~And in that interval there
232 Repub|              the faculty of the mean. ~True. ~This being premised, I
233 Repub|            found ugly; and the same is true of the rest. ~And may not
234 Repub|              halves of another? ~Quite true. ~And things great and small,
235 Repub|                by the opposite names? ~True; both these and the opposite
236 Repub|             than being. ~That is quite true, he said. ~Thus then we
237 Repub|           intermediate faculty. ~Quite true. ~Then those who see the
238 Repub|             should be angry at what is true. ~But those who love the
239 Repub|              has gone a weary way, the true and the false philosophers
240 Repub|                in the knowledge of the true being of each thing, and
241 Repub|            that they are lovers of all true being; there is no part
242 Repub|              and the man of ambition. ~True. ~And if they are to be
243 Repub|                falsehood? ~Never. ~The true lover of learning then must
244 Repub|             off into another channel. ~True. ~He whose desires are drawn
245 Repub|            pleasure-I mean, if he be a true philosopher and not a sham
246 Repub|                in his character. ~Very true. ~Another criterion of the
247 Repub|                divine and human. ~Most true, he replied. ~Then how can
248 Repub|             mean nature has no part in true philosophy? ~Certainly not. ~
249 Repub|             from the unphilosophical. ~True. ~There is another point
250 Repub|               spontaneously toward the true being of everything. ~Certainly. ~
251 Repub|         good-for-nothing; but that the true pilot must pay attention
252 Repub|                mutineers, how will the true pilot be regarded? Will
253 Repub|            figure, which describes the true philosopher in his relation
254 Repub|              mutinous sailors, and the true helmsmen to those who are
255 Repub|               has now been explained? ~True. ~Then shall we proceed
256 Repub|              and had no part or lot in true philosophy. ~Yes, that was
257 Repub|               in his defence, that the true lover of knowledge is always
258 Repub|          attained the knowledge of the true nature of every essence
259 Repub|         temperance will follow after? ~True, he replied. ~Neither is
260 Repub|      examination and definition of the true philosopher. ~Exactly. ~
261 Repub|             than to what is not. ~Very true. ~There is reason in supposing
262 Repub|               admitted by us to be the true philosopher's gifts. ~Yes. ~
263 Repub|               to States. ~That is most true, he said. ~And so philosophy
264 Repub|                or worthy of or akin to true wisdom? ~No doubt, he said. ~
265 Repub|               divinely inspired with a true love of true philosophy.
266 Repub|           inspired with a true love of true philosophy. That either
267 Repub|               whose mind is fixed upon true being, has surely no time
268 Repub|             and likeness of God. ~Very true, he said. ~And one feature
269 Repub|                goes out of them. ~Very true, he said. ~On the other
270 Repub|              intellectual toil. ~Quite true. ~And yet we were saying
271 Repub|                State and of the laws. ~True. ~The guardian then, I said,
272 Repub|               course ridiculous. ~Most true, he said. ~And those who
273 Repub|                and good are the same? ~True. ~There can be no doubt
274 Repub|            despised by everyone. ~Very true, he said. ~Of this then,
275 Repub|                of the good will have a true knowledge of them. ~That,
276 Repub|           people about these matters. ~True, Socrates; but I must say
277 Repub|                that those who have any true notion without intelligence
278 Repub|              way along the road? ~Very true. ~And do you wish to behold
279 Repub|               term "many" is implied. ~True, he said. ~And there is
280 Repub|             the essence of each. ~Very true. ~The many, as we say, are
281 Repub|               other objects of sense? ~True. ~But have you remarked
282 Repub|               replied; and the same is true of most, if not all, the
283 Repub|                term light, I replied. ~True, he said. ~Noble, then,
284 Repub|               is recognized by sight? ~True, he said. ~And this is he
285 Repub|               of vision in them? ~Very true. ~But when they are directed
286 Repub|              eye of the mind? ~That is true. ~And of this kind I spoke
287 Repub|            opposite wall of the cave? ~True, he said; how could they
288 Repub|            actually before them? ~Very true. ~And suppose further that
289 Repub|               now being shown to him? ~True, he said. ~And suppose once
290 Repub|                God knows. But, whether true or false, my opinion is
291 Repub|               into the light, which is true of the mind's eye, quite
292 Repub|              words, of the good. ~Very true. ~And must there not be
293 Repub|               to his cleverness? ~Very true, he said. ~But what if there
294 Repub|          islands of the blessed. ~Very true, he replied. ~Then, I said,
295 Repub|              in binding up the State. ~True, he said, I had forgotten. ~
296 Repub|               eager, the worst. ~Quite true, he replied. ~And will our
297 Repub|              and wisdom, which are the true blessings of life. Whereas,
298 Repub|              of the whole State. ~Most true, he replied. ~And the only
299 Repub|          political ambition is that of true philosophy. Do you know
300 Repub|               better than night to the true day of being, that is, the
301 Repub|           below, which we affirm to be true philosophy? ~Quite so. ~
302 Repub|            generation and corruption? ~True. ~Then that is not the knowledge
303 Repub|           whether fabulous or possibly true, had kindred elements of
304 Repub|              of number? And if that is true, what sort of general must
305 Repub|             been rightly used; for the true use of it is simply to draw
306 Repub|               is other than a finger. ~True. ~And therefore, I said,
307 Repub|             said. ~But is this equally true of the greatness and smallness
308 Repub|                to her are one or two. ~True. ~And if they turn out to
309 Repub|               be conceived of as one? ~True. ~The eye certainly did
310 Repub|                and not confused. ~Very true. ~Was not this the beginning
311 Repub|                the intelligible. ~Most true. ~This was what I meant
312 Repub|                to the contemplation of true being. ~And surely, he said,
313 Repub|                 I said; and this being true of one must be equally true
314 Repub|            true of one must be equally true of all number? ~Certainly. ~
315 Repub|              of change and lay hold of true being, and therefore he
316 Repub|                arithmetician. ~That is true. ~And our guardian is both
317 Repub|               fractions. ~That is very true. ~Now, suppose a person
318 Repub|             otherwise have been? ~Very true, he said. ~And indeed, you
319 Repub|              by all means, to behold. ~True, he said. ~Then if geometry
320 Repub|                readily allowed, and is true. ~Then, my noble friend,
321 Repub|                have followed. ~That is true, Socrates; but so little
322 Repub|       astronomy, or motion of solids. ~True, he said. ~Then assuming
323 Repub|             deemed inferior far to the true motions of absolute swiftness
324 Repub|              contained in them, in the true number and in every true
325 Repub|               true number and in every true figure. Now, these are to
326 Repub|       intelligence, but not by sight. ~True, he replied. ~The spangled
327 Repub|              in them he could find the true equal or the true double,
328 Repub|             find the true equal or the true double, or the truth of
329 Repub|            ridiculous. ~And will not a true astronomer have the same
330 Repub|            other spirit, useless. Very true, he said. ~Now, when all
331 Repub|             which you call dialectic? ~True. ~But the release of the
332 Repub|                 and are the shadows of true existence (not shadows of
333 Repub|              whether our conclusion be true or false, let us assume
334 Repub|                any regular process all true existence, or of ascertaining
335 Repub|              have some apprehension of true being-geometry and the like-they
336 Repub|            shared with the body. ~Very true, he replied. ~Further, he
337 Repub|             fallen into disrepute: her true sons should take her by
338 Repub|                distinguish between the true son and the bastard? for
339 Repub|               a bastard. ~That is very true, he said. ~All these things,
340 Repub|                hold on the mind. ~Very true. ~Then, my good friend,
341 Repub|             them to one another and to true being. ~Yes, he said, that
342 Repub|               with lawlessness. ~Quite true, he said. ~Do you think
343 Repub|                honoring them. ~That is true. ~There are also opposite
344 Repub|              maxims of their fathers. ~True. ~Now, when a man is in
345 Repub|               he fails to discover the true, can he be expected to pursue
346 Repub|                rest of the world. ~Too true, he said. ~But when a man
347 Repub|            honor of the pursuit. ~Very true, he said. ~And did we not
348 Repub|            aspirant or intruder? ~Very true. ~Suppose, I said, the study
349 Repub|               that is to say, when the true philosopher-kings are born
350 Repub|               and of the whole State. ~True, I said; and now that this
351 Repub|          further, that if this was the true form, then the others were
352 Repub|                 cannot be moved. ~Very true, he said. ~In what way,
353 Repub|          wanting money, but having the true riches in their own nature,
354 Repub|       oligarchy and aristocracy? ~Very true. ~Such will be the change,
355 Repub|              have some peculiarities. ~True, he said. ~In the honor
356 Repub|             will resemble the former. ~True. ~But in the fear of admitting
357 Repub|             they please. ~That is most true, he said. ~And they are
358 Repub|               neglected her who is the true muse, the companion of reason
359 Repub|              interminable labor. ~Very true, he replied. ~Now what man
360 Repub|             rises as the other falls. ~True. ~And in proportion as riches
361 Repub|         already done their work. ~Very true. ~And this, speaking generally,
362 Repub|       shipwreck? ~Yes; and is not this true of the government of anything? ~
363 Repub|             wealth and utter poverty. ~True. ~But think again: In his
364 Repub|              as they are termed. ~Most true, he said. ~Clearly then,
365 Repub|            constitution of the State? ~True. ~Such, then, is the form
366 Repub|              chain and scimitar? ~Most true, he replied. ~And when he
367 Repub|                they are unprofitable. ~True. ~He is a shabby fellow,
368 Repub|            vulgar applaud. Is he not a true image of the State which
369 Repub|                general habit of life? ~True. ~Do you know where you
370 Repub|               over his inferior ones. ~True. ~For these reasons such
371 Repub|              than most people; yet the true virtue of a unanimous and
372 Repub|               join in the struggle; in true oligarchical fashion he
373 Repub|             and saves his money. ~Very true. ~Can we any longer doubt,
374 Repub|               for revolution. ~That is true. ~On the other hand, the
375 Repub|                pleasure or pain. ~Very true. ~They themselves care only
376 Repub|        necessary, and cannot help it. ~True. ~We are not wrong therefore
377 Repub|              called unnecessary? ~Very true. ~May we not say that these
378 Repub|       pleasures, the same holds good? ~True. ~And the drone of whom
379 Repub|                and oligarchical? ~Very true. ~Again, let us see how
380 Repub|             and multiply in him. ~Very true. ~At length they seize upon
381 Repub|  accomplishments and fair pursuits and true words, which make their
382 Repub|                them all equally. ~Very true, he said. ~Neither does
383 Repub|             pass into the fortress any true word of advice; if anyone
384 Repub|                now to consider. ~Quite true, he said. ~Say then, my
385 Repub|                the ruin of oligarchy? ~True. ~And democracy has her
386 Repub|           manners of the young. ~Quite true, he said. ~The last extreme
387 Repub|               in forms of government. ~True. ~The excess of liberty,
388 Repub|           oligarchical State. ~That is true. ~And in the democracy they
389 Repub|           managed by the drones. ~Very true, he said. ~Then there is
390 Repub|        powerful class in a democracy. ~True, he said; but then the multitude
391 Repub|            being friends of oligarchy? True. ~And the end is that when
392 Repub|                trials of one another. ~True. ~The people have always
393 Repub|             none for themselves. ~Very true. ~And when a man who is
394 Repub|       tyrannies and democracies. ~Very true. ~Moreover, they are paid
395 Repub|            breath to proceed farther. ~True. ~But we are wandering from
396 Repub|            bitterest form of slavery. ~True, he said. ~Very well; and
397 Repub|             supply the omission. ~Very true, I said; and observe the
398 Repub|              be ready to commit. ~Most true, he said. ~But when a man'
399 Repub|               amusement and ornament? ~True. ~And then he got into the
400 Repub|              the tyrannical man in the true sense of the word comes
401 Repub|              has any, are soon spent. ~True. ~Then come debt and the
402 Repub|                and deceive them. ~Very true. ~And if he fails, then
403 Repub|             the tyrant never tastes of true freedom or friendship. ~
404 Repub|              of what we dreamed. ~Most true. ~And this is he who being
405 Repub|           always poor and insatiable? ~True. ~And must not such a State
406 Repub|            evil is the greatest. ~Very true, he said. ~Let me then offer
407 Repub|              of each individual. ~Very true, I said. But imagine one
408 Repub|            anything of interest. ~Very true, he said. ~And amid evils
409 Repub|               resemblance holds? ~Very true, he said. ~Moreover, as
410 Repub|                help of money. ~That is true, he said. ~If we were to
411 Repub|          conquering and getting fame? ~True. ~Suppose we call it the
412 Repub|           their several objects? ~Very true. ~Now, if you examine the
413 Repub|        advantages of gold and silver? ~True, he said. ~And the lover
414 Repub|             and nonsense to him? ~Very true. ~And are we to suppose,
415 Repub|              found in the knowledge of true being is known to the philosopher
416 Repub|               the lover of gain? ~Very true, he said. ~Twice in succession,
417 Repub|              that of the wise is quite true and pure-all others are
418 Repub|             pleasure opposed to pain? ~True. ~And there is a neutral
419 Repub|              when tried by the test of true pleasure, are not real,
420 Repub|                pain behind them. ~Most true, he said. ~Let us not, then,
421 Repub|              reliefs of pain. ~That is true. ~And the anticipations
422 Repub|               if he has never seen the true upper world? ~To be sure,
423 Repub|                of his ignorance of the true upper and middle and lower
424 Repub|               inanitions of the soul? ~True. ~And food and wisdom are
425 Repub|               the class which contains true opinion and knowledge and
426 Repub|      invariable, the immortal, and the true, and is of such a nature,
427 Repub|            more really and truly enjoy true pleasure; whereas that which
428 Repub|               they never pass into the true upper world; thither they
429 Repub|             are they truly filled with true being, nor do they taste
430 Repub|            shadows and pictures of the true, and are colored by contrast,
431 Repub|               which is not their own? ~True. ~And the greater the interval
432 Repub|             the greatest distance from true or natural pleasure, and
433 Repub|             the tyrant is removed from true pleasure by the space of
434 Repub|              pleasure and pain! ~Yet a true calculation, I said, and
435 Repub|            make a coward of him? ~Very true. ~And is not a man reproached
436 Repub|              lion to become a monkey? ~True, he said. ~And why are mean
437 Repub|       government, friends and equals. ~True, he said. ~And this is clearly
438 Repub|           Certainly he will, if he has true music in him. ~And in the
439 Repub|          according to his means. ~Very true. ~And, for the same reason,
440 Repub|            that the knowledge of their true nature is the only antidote
441 Repub|          sooner than the keener. ~Very true, he said; but in your presence,
442 Repub|                 the other of a table. ~True. ~And the maker of either
443 Repub|            which exists he cannot make true existence, but only some
444 Repub|              not the two others. ~Very true, he said. ~God knew this,
445 Repub|         ignorance and imitation. ~Most true. ~And so, when we hear persons
446 Repub|                that, I think, is quite true. ~Then must we not infer
447 Repub|             the image knows nothing of true existence; he knows appearances
448 Repub|                their right form. ~Most true. ~And may we not say the
449 Repub|             artist has intended them. ~True. ~Then the user of them
450 Repub|               what he is told by him? ~True. ~The instrument is the
451 Repub|             user will have knowledge? ~True. ~But will the imitator
452 Repub|              Then he will no more have true opinion than he will have
453 Repub|              the highest degree? ~Very true. ~And now tell me, I conjure
454 Repub|              when seen at a distance? ~True. ~And the same objects appear
455 Repub|            effect upon us like magic. ~True. ~And the arts of measuring
456 Repub|              measure and weight? ~Most true. ~And this, surely, must
457 Repub|               apparent contradiction? ~True. ~But were we not saying
458 Repub|            about the same thing? ~Very true. ~Then that part of the
459 Repub|              accordance with measure? ~True. ~And the better part of
460 Repub|          reason, and that they have no true or healthy aim. ~Exactly. ~
461 Repub|              inferior offspring. ~Very true. ~And is this confined to
462 Repub|             Probably the same would be true of poetry. ~Do not rely,
463 Repub|             hearing or seeing him do? ~True. ~There is a principle of
464 Repub|                to indulge his sorrow? ~True. ~But when a man is drawn
465 Repub|              Yes, he said, that is the true way of meeting the attacks
466 Repub|             the part of a woman. ~Very true, he said. ~Now can we be
467 Repub|        repressed in our own. ~How very true! ~And does not the same
468 Repub|             comic poet at home. ~Quite true, he said. ~And the same
469 Repub|               our State. ~That is most true, he said. ~And now since
470 Repub|            wholly dissolves and dies? ~True. ~The vice and evil which
471 Repub|           destroying them. Is not this true? ~Yes. ~Consider the soul
472 Repub|           shall absolutely deny? ~Very true. ~And, on the same principle,
473 Repub|               being a house of death. ~True, I said; if the inherent
474 Repub|          conclusion, I said; and, if a true conclusion, then the souls
475 Repub|              end in immortality. ~Very true. ~But this we cannot believe-reason
476 Repub|              we have now said enough. ~True, he replied. ~And thus,
477 Repub|             the helmet of Hades. ~Very true. ~And now, Glaucon, there
478 Repub|               opinion that even if the true state of the case could
479 Repub|          admitted from the beginning? ~True. ~And the friend of the
480 Repub|               without a crown; but the true runner comes to the finish
481 Repub|             which men have to bestow. ~True. ~And now you must allow
482 Repub|            them, that these things are true? ~Certainly, he said, what
483 Repub|               he said, what you say is true. ~These, then, are the prizes
484 Repub|              no philosophy. And it was true of others who were similarly