Dialogue

  1 Repub|            if you will only wait. ~Certainly we will, said Glaucon; and
  2 Repub|           listen to you? he said. ~Certainly not, replied Glaucon. ~Then
  3 Repub|     celebrated at night, which you certainly ought to see. Let us rise
  4 Repub|          when he uttered them. For certainly old age has a great sense
  5 Repub|     reverse of clear to me. For he certainly does not mean, as we were
  6 Repub|         means to make the return? ~Certainly not. ~When Simonides said
  7 Repub|        mean to include that case? ~Certainly not; for he thinks that
  8 Repub|         the harp the harpplayer is certainly a better partner than the
  9 Repub|           for that, would he not? ~Certainly. ~And when you want to buy
 10 Repub|       soldier or of the musician? ~Certainly. ~And so of all other things-justice
 11 Repub|          able to ward off a blow? ~Certainly. ~And he who is most skilful
 12 Repub|           a march upon the enemy? ~Certainly. ~Then he who is a good
 13 Repub|         what you were saying? ~No, certainly not that, though I do not
 14 Repub|         the proper virtue of man? ~Certainly. ~And that human virtue
 15 Repub|           art make men unmusical? ~Certainly not. ~Or the horseman by
 16 Repub|         And the just is the good? ~Certainly. ~Then to injure a friend
 17 Repub|       ruling power in each State? ~Certainly. ~And the different forms
 18 Repub|         whether really so or not? ~Certainly not, he said. Do you suppose
 19 Repub|           argue like an informer? ~Certainly, he replied. ~And do you
 20 Repub|        every art has an interest? ~Certainly. ~For which the art has
 21 Repub|         has wants, I should reply: Certainly the body has wants; for
 22 Repub|            exact use of language? ~Certainly not. ~Or because a man is
 23 Repub|            is engaged in healing? ~Certainly not. ~And we have admitted,
 24 Repub|        when he works for nothing? ~Certainly, he confers a benefit. ~
 25 Repub|            what is not true? ~Most certainly, he replied. ~If, I said,
 26 Repub|        virtue and the other vice? ~Certainly. ~I suppose that you would
 27 Repub|        justice with the opposite. ~Certainly I do so class them. ~Now,
 28 Repub|    infallibly, he replied. ~Then I certainly ought not to shrink from
 29 Repub|           is such as his like is? ~Certainly, he replied. ~Very good,
 30 Repub|          will nod "Yes" and "No." ~Certainly not, I said, if contrary
 31 Repub|       incapable of common action? ~Certainly. ~And even if injustice
 32 Repub|           not this the case? ~Yes, certainly. ~And is not injustice equally
 33 Repub|         see, except with the eye? ~Certainly not. ~Or hear, except with
 34 Repub|         them by their own defect? ~Certainly, he replied. ~I might say
 35 Repub|         ill the reverse of happy? ~Certainly. ~Then the just is happy,
 36 Repub|     replied, if I could. ~Then you certainly have not succeeded. Let
 37 Repub|           also for their results? ~Certainly, I said. ~And would you
 38 Repub|            of life and existence. ~Certainly. ~The second is a dwelling,
 39 Repub|         for purposes of exchange. ~Certainly. ~Suppose now that a husbandman
 40 Repub|        kinds, if people eat them. ~Certainly. ~And living in this way
 41 Repub|       Glaucon. Shall we not? ~Most certainly, he replied. Then, without
 42 Repub|            But is not war an art? ~Certainly. ~And an art requiring as
 43 Repub|         aptitude for his calling? ~Certainly. ~Then it will be our duty
 44 Repub|        qualities, he replied, will certainly be required by them. ~Well,
 45 Repub|           if he is to fight well? ~Certainly. ~And is he likely to be
 46 Repub|         combination of qualities? ~Certainly not. ~Would not he who is
 47 Repub|            even if somewhat long. ~Certainly not. ~Come then, and let
 48 Repub|        said, that sort of thing is certainly very blamable; but what
 49 Repub|           if they were true, ought certainly not to be lightly told to
 50 Repub|           be represented as such? ~Certainly. ~And no good thing is hurtful? ~
 51 Repub|            not hurtful hurts not? ~Certainly not. ~And that which hurts
 52 Repub|            some other thing? ~Most certainly. ~And things which are at
 53 Repub|         the fear of death in him? ~Certainly not, he said. ~And can he
 54 Repub|            of ship or State. ~Most certainly, he said, if our idea of
 55 Repub|          youth must be temperate? ~Certainly. ~Are not the chief elements
 56 Repub|         worse hast thou endured!" ~Certainly, he said. ~In the next place,
 57 Repub|         gifts or lovers of money. ~Certainly not. ~Neither must we sing
 58 Repub|        past, present, or to come? ~Certainly, he replied. ~And narration
 59 Repub|           you, is going to speak? ~Certainly. ~And this assimilation
 60 Repub|           much reputation in any? ~Certainly. ~And this is equally true
 61 Repub|             voice, and mind? ~Yes, certainly, he said. ~Then, I said,
 62 Repub|            sorrow, or weeping; and certainly not one who is in sickness,
 63 Repub|         the latter. Do you agree? ~Certainly, he said; that is the model
 64 Repub|     education of our soldiers. ~We certainly will, he said, if we have
 65 Repub|            depend upon the words? ~Certainly. ~We were saying, when we
 66 Repub|    maintain, and much less to men. Certainly. ~In the next place, drunkenness
 67 Repub|           harmonized instruments? ~Certainly not. ~But what do you say
 68 Repub|            to approach true love? ~Certainly not. ~Then mad or intemperate
 69 Repub|           are next to be trained. ~Certainly. Gymnastics as well as music
 70 Repub|          girl as his fair friend? ~Certainly not. ~Neither would you
 71 Repub|           Athenian confectionery? ~Certainly not. ~All such feeding and
 72 Repub|              Yes, he said, they do certainly give very strange and newfangled
 73 Repub|           grated cheese, which are certainly inflammatory, and yet the
 74 Repub|        twice the man that he was. ~Certainly. ~And what happens? if he
 75 Repub|          rulers and who subjects? ~Certainly. ~There can be no doubt
 76 Repub|          same pains with his art? ~Certainly not. ~He will grow more
 77 Repub| apprentices to work equally well. ~Certainly not. ~Then, under the influence
 78 Repub|        sinews of war. ~There would certainly be a difficulty, I replied,
 79 Repub|         than one stout personage? ~Certainly, he said, there would be
 80 Repub|           they say? ~Nay, he said, certainly not in that case. ~Well,
 81 Repub|         wise and good in counsel? ~Certainly not; that would only give
 82 Repub|          about wooden implements? ~Certainly not. ~Nor by reason of a
 83 Repub|          with other States? ~There certainly is. ~And what is this knowledge,
 84 Repub|      either the one or the other. ~Certainly not. ~The city will be courageous
 85 Repub|           have another name. ~Most certainly. ~Then I may infer courage
 86 Repub|     considering temperance first. ~Certainly, I replied, I should not
 87 Repub|           same person is denoted. ~Certainly. ~The meaning is, I believe,
 88 Repub|          and more numerous class. ~Certainly, he said. ~Whereas the simple
 89 Repub|         claim such a designation? ~Certainly, he replied. ~It may also
 90 Repub|           not so easily answered. ~Certainly, he replied, there would
 91 Repub|         determining suits-at-law? ~Certainly. ~And are suits decided
 92 Repub|          termed by you injustice? ~Certainly. This, then, is injustice;
 93 Repub|      affected in the same manner? ~Certainly, he said. ~Once more, then,
 94 Repub|            upon in contrary ways. ~Certainly not, according to my way
 95 Repub|          repulsion and rejection? ~Certainly. ~Admitting this to be true
 96 Repub|          is relative to the less? ~Certainly. ~And the much greater to
 97 Repub|           the less that is to be? ~Certainly, he said. ~And so of more
 98 Repub|    therefore termed architecture. ~Certainly. ~Because it has a particular
 99 Repub|         drink, but of drink only? ~Certainly. ~Then the soul of the thirsty
100 Repub|          imagine, in anyone else? ~Certainly not. ~Suppose that a man
101 Repub|       which makes the State wise? ~Certainly. ~Also that the same quality
102 Repub|          be the subject and ally? ~Certainly. ~And, as we were saying,
103 Repub|           rule, and do not rebel? ~Certainly, he said, that is the true
104 Repub|           now been verified? ~Yes, certainly. ~And the division of labor
105 Repub|         telling a falsehood? ~Most certainly not. ~May we say so, then? ~
106 Repub|          us not faint by the way. ~Certainly not, he replied. ~Come up
107 Repub|             or what shall we do?" ~Certainly not, said Adeimantus, raising
108 Repub|          are no longer young; they certainly will not be a vision of
109 Repub|            to his own nature." And certainly, if I am not mistaken, such
110 Repub|          their different natures?" Certainly they should. "But if so,
111 Repub|           great deal; for there is certainly a danger of our getting
112 Repub|           have different natures? ~Certainly. ~And if, I said, the male
113 Repub|   unwarlike and hates gymnastics? ~Certainly. ~And one woman is a philosopher,
114 Repub|        point we come round again. ~Certainly not. ~The law which we then
115 Repub|       described, will accomplish? ~Certainly. ~Then we have made an enactment
116 Repub|        would greatly deteriorate? ~Certainly. ~And the same of horses
117 Repub|       holds of the human species! ~Certainly, the same principle holds;
118 Repub|           too large or too small. ~Certainly, he replied. ~We shall have
119 Repub|           until he be fifty-five. ~Certainly, he said, both in men and
120 Repub|        better-would you not? ~Yes, certainly. ~Shall we try to find a
121 Repub|         the city or the citizens? ~Certainly. ~Such differences commonly
122 Repub|           guardian as a stranger? ~Certainly he would not; for everyone
123 Repub|       greatest good to the State? ~Certainly. ~And this agrees with the
124 Repub|         tend toward a common end. ~Certainly, he replied. ~And as they
125 Repub|           more dangerous lengths. ~Certainly. ~To the elder shall be
126 Repub|           to be compared with it? ~Certainly not. ~At the same time I
127 Repub|          what they like with him. ~Certainly. ~But the hero who has distinguished
128 Repub|           be kissed by them. ~Most certainly, and I should be disposed
129 Repub|        other Hellenes to observe. ~Certainly, he said; they will in this
130 Repub|           Yes, he replied, we most certainly must. ~Neither shall we
131 Repub|          the common temples? ~Most certainly. ~And any difference which
132 Repub|           not to be called a war? ~Certainly not. ~Then they will quarrel
133 Repub|         some day to be reconciled? Certainly. ~They will use friendly
134 Repub|           and slight as possible. ~Certainly, he replied. ~I think, I
135 Repub|           arts, are philosophers? ~Certainly not, I replied; they are
136 Repub|           ugliness, they are two? ~Certainly. ~And inasmuch as they are
137 Repub|         the real object? ~I should certainly say that such a one was
138 Repub|         opines only, has opinion? ~Certainly. ~But suppose that the latter
139 Repub|     disorder in his wits? ~We must certainly offer him some good advice,
140 Repub|      knowledge, if there be such? ~Certainly. ~Do we admit the existence
141 Repub|         class would you place it? ~Certainly knowledge is a faculty,
142 Repub|           opinion also a faculty? ~Certainly, he said; for opinion is
143 Repub|          part in true philosophy? ~Certainly not. ~Or again: can he who
144 Repub|            makes little progress. ~Certainly not. ~And again, if he is
145 Repub|        should have a good memory? ~Certainly. ~And once more, the inharmonious
146 Repub|         true being of everything. ~Certainly. ~Well, and do not all these
147 Repub|           you understand already. ~Certainly. ~Then suppose you now take
148 Repub|           present notions of him? ~Certainly, he said. ~And have we not
149 Repub|          the contrast is greater. ~Certainly. ~And may we not say, Adeimantus,
150 Repub|            the many in each kind? ~Certainly not. ~Then the world cannot
151 Repub|         are like his mental ones? ~Certainly, he said. ~And his friends
152 Repub|      severest punishment. ~That is certainly what people say. ~Yes; and
153 Repub|      interposing objections, which certainly showed that the discussion
154 Repub|          be willing to obey them? ~Certainly. ~And that others should
155 Repub|            their several studies? ~Certainly. ~I omitted the troublesome
156 Repub|            any office or command. ~Certainly, he said. ~And will they
157 Repub|        pleasures as well as good. ~Certainly. ~And therefore to acknowledge
158 Repub|            darkness of ignorance? ~Certainly not, he said. ~I am sure,
159 Repub|        requires such an addition? ~Certainly not. ~But you see that without
160 Repub|           there is sight in them? ~Certainly. ~And the soul is like the
161 Repub|        himself is not generation? ~Certainly. ~In like manner the good
162 Repub|          light of the sun by day? ~Certainly. ~Last of all he will be
163 Repub|         contemplate him as he is. ~Certainly. ~He will then proceed to
164 Repub|         the change, and pity him? ~Certainly, he would. ~And if they
165 Repub|          effecting such a change? ~Certainly. ~What sort of knowledge
166 Repub|       recollection; in music there certainly was nothing of the kind.
167 Repub|          knowledge of arithmetic? ~Certainly he should, if he is to have
168 Repub|           them one and different? ~Certainly. ~And if each is one, and
169 Repub|            as one? ~True. ~The eye certainly did see both small and great,
170 Repub|       equally true of all number? ~Certainly. ~And all arithmetic and
171 Repub|          warrior and philosopher? ~Certainly. ~Then this is a kind of
172 Repub|      object of the whole science. ~Certainly, he said. ~Then must not
173 Repub|          In all that I should most certainly agree with you. ~And surely
174 Repub|         over the highest matters? ~Certainly not. ~Then you will make
175 Repub|        rulers were chosen before? ~Certainly, he said. ~The same natures
176 Repub|          which we require of him. ~Certainly, he said; he must have natural
177 Repub|           other sort of lameness. ~Certainly, he said. ~And as to truth,
178 Repub|          would not be creditable. ~Certainly not, I said; and yet perhaps,
179 Repub|          our youth are subjected. ~Certainly, he replied. ~After that
180 Repub|    introducing them to dialectic. ~Certainly. ~There is a danger lest
181 Repub|   barbarians. ~Yes, he replied, we certainly hear of many curious forms
182 Repub|          minds will also be five? ~Certainly. ~Him who answers to aristocracy,
183 Repub|       argument to prefer justice. ~Certainly, he replied, we must do
184 Repub|           this State. ~The evil is certainly not prevented there; for
185 Repub|     careful to restrain by force? ~Certainly, we may be so bold. ~The
186 Repub|       which they set upon wealth? ~Certainly. ~Also in their penurious,
187 Repub|       these are unnecessary? ~Yes, certainly. ~Suppose we select an example
188 Repub|         they are good for health? ~Certainly. ~And the desire which goes
189 Repub|            conduce to production? ~Certainly. ~And of the pleasures of
190 Repub|          which is akin and alike? ~Certainly. ~And if there be any ally
191 Repub|           liberty have any limit? ~Certainly not. ~By degrees the anarchy
192 Repub|          in the democracy they are certainly more intensified. ~How so? ~
193 Repub|          in them will he require? ~Certainly. ~And who are the devoted
194 Repub|            freedom or friendship. ~Certainly not. ~And may we not rightly
195 Repub|           the same of the others? ~Certainly. ~And as State is to State
196 Repub|           of trouble and remorse? ~Certainly. ~And is the city which
197 Repub|            and groaning and pain? ~Certainly not. ~And is there any man
198 Repub|         And I was right, he said. ~Certainly, I said. And when you see
199 Repub|       determined to be the worst? ~Certainly. ~He who is the real tyrant,
200 Repub|            that part of the soul? ~Certainly. ~One principle prevails
201 Repub|            as well as experience? ~Certainly. ~Further, the very faculty
202 Repub|        peculiarly his instrument? ~Certainly. ~If wealth and gain were
203 Repub|          satisfactions of either? ~Certainly. ~And is the satisfaction
204 Repub|         most natural to him? ~Yes, certainly; the best is the most natural. ~
205 Repub|            the king at the least? ~Certainly. ~But if so, the tyrant
206 Repub|           will be a plane figure. ~Certainly. ~And if you raise the power
207 Repub|             he said, human life is certainly concerned with them. ~Then
208 Repub|           and devour one another. ~Certainly, he said; that is what the
209 Repub|          honorable than the body. ~Certainly, he said. ~To this nobler
210 Repub|          the harmony of the soul? ~Certainly he will, if he has true
211 Repub|            his own infinite harm? ~Certainly not, he said. ~He will look
212 Repub|           city which is his own he certainly will, though in the land
213 Repub|            imitative poetry, which certainly ought not to be received;
214 Repub|      painter a creator and maker? ~Certainly not. ~Yet if he is not the
215 Repub|          from nature an imitator? ~Certainly, he said. ~And the tragic
216 Repub|      looking at a real carpenter. ~Certainly. ~And whenever anyone informs
217 Repub|         and brass will make them? ~Certainly. ~But does the painter know
218 Repub|           removed from the truth? ~Certainly. ~And what is the faculty
219 Repub|          measure and calculation? ~Certainly. ~And that which is opposed
220 Repub|       distinct principles in him? ~Certainly. ~One of them is ready to
221 Repub|         which they are strangers. ~Certainly. ~Then the imitative poet
222 Repub|       surely an awful thing? ~Yes, certainly, if the effect is what you
223 Repub|      person? ~No, he said, that is certainly not reasonable. ~Nay, I
224 Repub|      lyrical or some other metre? ~Certainly. ~And we may further grant
225 Repub|      poetry as well as a delight? ~Certainly, he said, we shall be the
226 Repub|          the whole? ~Of the whole, certainly. But why do you ask? ~Are
227 Repub|           else that will; for good certainly will not destroy them, nor,
228 Repub|            neither good nor evil. ~Certainly not. ~If, then, we find
229 Repub|       separate her from the body? ~Certainly not. ~And yet, I said, it
230 Repub|        forever, must be immortal? ~Certainly. ~That is the conclusion,
231 Repub|      compounded of many elements? ~Certainly not. ~Her immortality is
232 Repub|          in life and after death. ~Certainly not, he said. ~Will you
233 Repub|       consequence of former sins? ~Certainly. ~Then this must be our
234 Repub|         the opposite be supposed? ~Certainly. ~Such, then, are the palms
235 Repub|            these things are true? ~Certainly, he said, what you say is