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3501 Repub|            tell him to attribute their uselessness to the fault of those who
3502 Repub|             When both have reached the uttermost extreme, the one of justice
3503 Repub|                                   BOOK V: ON MATRIMONY AND PHILOSOPHY~(
3504 Repub|               in his presence they are vainly trying to look on animals
3505 Repub|       opposition. ~In what way? Why we valiantly and pugnaciously insist
3506 Repub|                government resting on a valuation of property, in which the
3507 Repub|          effect to the outward eye had vanished before the better principle
3508 Repub|          money-maker will contrast the vanity of honor or of learning
3509 Repub|               sorts of refinements and varieties of pleasure-then, as you
3510 Repub|            them the eternal nature not varying from generation and corruption. ~
3511 Repub|              of whom he is the natural vassal-what is all this confusion and
3512 Repub|         perceive, I said, that you are vastly amused at having plunged
3513 Repub|               husband, or striving and vaunting against the gods in conceit
3514 Repub|                also nature, animal and vegetable-in all of them there is grace
3515 Repub|             extraordinary strength and vehemence of the desires of eating
3516 Repub|              argument turned aside and veiled her face; not liking to
3517 Repub|           address us in a lofty tragic vein, making believe to be in
3518 Repub|           deities yet flowing in their veins." ~And therefore let us
3519 Repub|             although we may escape the vengeance of heaven, we shall lose
3520 Repub|              the preceding; the third (Venus) has the whitest light;
3521 Repub|           waste destitute of trees and verdure; and then toward evening
3522 Repub|              their children with a bad version of these myths-telling how
3523 Repub|             shadow of virtue to be the vestibule and exterior of my house;
3524 Repub|             the command of experienced veterans who will be their leaders
3525 Repub|                                   BOOK VI: THE PHILOSOPHY OF GOVERNMENT~(
3526 Repub|                begin to excuse his own vices when he is convinced that
3527 Repub|              the other of meanness and viciousness, and both of discontent. ~
3528 Repub|         blessed. ~How so? ~The Olympic victor, I said, is deemed happy
3529 Repub|              has come out of the trial victorious and pure, shall be appointed
3530 Repub|         blessed as the life of Olympic victors and yet more blessed. ~How
3531 Repub|            nobler than that of Olympic victors-is the life of shoemakers,
3532 Repub|               finished our prayers and viewed the spectacle, we turned
3533 Repub|    satisfactory decision. ~That way of viewing and judging of the matter
3534 Repub|                evil acting at any time vigorously together, is not strictly
3535 Repub|                                   BOOK VII: ON SHADOWS AND REALITIES
3536 Repub|                                   BOOK VIII: FOUR FORMS OF GOVERNMENT~(
3537 Repub|            marriages? Will they not be vile and bastard? ~There can
3538 Repub|                be the flatterer of the vilest of mankind. He has desires
3539 Repub|                for had they been whole villains, and utterly unjust, they
3540 Repub|             upon tyrannies and similar villanies, he do irremediable wrongs
3541 Repub|                  But you can cut off a vine-branch with a dagger or with a
3542 Repub|                it, then the art of the vine-dresser? ~Clearly. ~And when you
3543 Repub|             what is best, and will not violate, but preserve, the natural
3544 Repub|               law commands; and is the violator of these duties to be regarded
3545 Repub|             proportion and likeness of virtue-such a man ruling in a city which
3546 Repub|                of regularity: the dark visage is manly, the fair are children
3547 Repub|            existence, he has a clearer vision-what will be his reply? And you
3548 Repub|              ridiculed as dreamers and visionaries. Am I not right? ~Quite
3549 Repub|              And I pray Nemesis not to visit upon me the words which
3550 Repub|                the very essence of the vital principle is undermined
3551 Repub|        distance or near, gives no more vivid idea of anything in particular
3552 Repub|               further good in the law; viz., that if a man has a quarrel
3553 Repub|               study philosophy have no vocation, and this, as I was before
3554 Repub|              which they perceive to be void of all accomplishments and
3555 Repub|            utterly incapable of acting voluntarily? ~Utterly incapable. ~And
3556 Repub|                In the first place, her votary should not have a lame or
3557 Repub|              which Musaeus and his son vouchsafe to the just; they take them
3558 Repub|                actually performed this vow; or that he dragged Hector
3559 Repub|                orderly expenditure are vulgarity and meanness, and so, by
3560 Repub|                is full of meanness and vulgarity-the best elements in him are
3561 Repub|               contrivances, and in the waging of everlasting wars-this
3562 Repub|               his head, or weeping and wailing in the various modes which
3563 Repub|                rid of the weepings and wailings of famous men? ~They will
3564 Repub|               any way, but is ready to waive his rights in order that
3565 Repub|           athletes, who are to be like wakeful dogs, and to see and hear
3566 Repub|            sound from their neighbor's wall-one set of them declaring that
3567 Repub|           falsehood, and does not mind wallowing like a swinish beast in
3568 Repub|            farther. ~True. ~But we are wandering from the subject: Let us
3569 Repub|            like and unlike, waxing and waning numbers, make all the terms
3570 Repub|                and taking to all their wanton ways rushed into the opposite
3571 Repub|             whatever. ~Any affinity to wantonness and intemperance? ~Yes,
3572 Repub|                whole life is passed in warbling and the delights of song;
3573 Repub|               of fighting best able to ward off a blow? ~Certainly. ~
3574 Repub|           telling their sons and their wards that they are to be just;
3575 Repub|               and hence that nature is warped and estranged; as the exotic
3576 Repub|               in the abstinence of the warriorclass from agriculture, handicrafts,
3577 Repub|              the waging of everlasting wars-this State will be for the most
3578 Repub|                and training, not to be washed away by such potent lyes
3579 Repub|                I know that they have a washed-out and ridiculous appearance. ~
3580 Repub|                and waste, until he has wasted away his spirit and cut
3581 Repub|                body is a disease which wastes and reduces and annihilates
3582 Repub|            hold of the part struck and wasting time in setting up a howl,
3583 Repub|                to be the guardians and watch-dogs of the herd. ~True. ~Let
3584 Repub|            explain, I replied. To keep watchdogs, who, from want of discipline
3585 Repub|              of dangers, or wisdom and watchfulness in the rulers, or whether
3586 Repub|                respect of guarding and watching? ~What do you mean? ~I mean
3587 Repub|                would have been his own watchman, because afraid, if he did
3588 Repub|               flute; then he becomes a water-drinker, and tries to get thin;
3589 Repub|              ways: while his father is watering and nourishing the rational
3590 Repub|              he said. ~Is not this the way-he is the son of the miserly
3591 Repub|               garments of some nightly wayfarer; next he proceeds to clear
3592 Repub|                then the power of music weakening the spirit renders him excitable;
3593 Repub|             commonly those who are the weakest in bodily strength, and
3594 Repub|                 do you say that we are weakly yielding to one another
3595 Repub|               maintained was excess of wealth-am I not right? ~Yes. ~And
3596 Repub|                same roof with them, or wear them, or drink from them.
3597 Repub|                the argument has gone a weary way, the true and the false
3598 Repub|                builder, someone else a weaver-shall we add to them a shoemaker,
3599 Repub|               cattle, and curriers and weavers fleeces and hides-still
3600 Repub|              in speaking of the art of weaving, and the management of pancakes
3601 Repub|               has preceded, he will be wedded to an image of pleasure
3602 Repub|               our poets: the number of weddings is a matter which must be
3603 Repub|                the most noxious of all weeds, unless he be preserved
3604 Repub|              proceed to get rid of the weepings and wailings of famous men? ~
3605 Repub|               or seriously inclines to weigh the beautiful by any other
3606 Repub|             that pure justice might be weighed against pure injustice.
3607 Repub|            measuring and numbering and weighing come to the rescue of the
3608 Repub|           drinking, which, like leaden weights, were attached to them at
3609 Repub|               when an acquaintance, he welcomes him, although the one has
3610 Repub|            they can never grow up into well-conducted and virtuous citizens. ~
3611 Repub|               safeguard? ~But they are well-educated already, he replied. ~I
3612 Repub|            nothing need be imported is well-nigh impossible. ~Impossible. ~
3613 Repub|                try to find a naturally well-proportioned and gracious mind, which
3614 Repub|             and rhythm, he speaks very well-such is the sweet influence which
3615 Repub|                match for two stout and well-to-do gentlemen who were not boxers? ~
3616 Repub|               perchance some noble and welleducated person, detained by exile
3617 Repub|              in an ill-ordered or in a wellordered State; for in the former
3618 Repub|                eating and drinking and wenching and idling, nether drug
3619 Repub|            also in request, and nurses wet and dry, tirewomen and barbers,
3620 Repub|               her own child; and other wet-nurses may be engaged if more are
3621 Repub|               hail, or the creaking of wheels, and pulleys, and the various
3622 Repub|        self-control, he will be always whining and lamenting on slight
3623 Repub|               Zeus the saviour: a sage whispers in my ear that no pleasure
3624 Repub|               was a man of this sort a whit more good to the State for
3625 Repub|             black with gray instead of white-can you wonder, I say, at this? ~
3626 Repub|              the sixth (Jupiter) is in whiteness second. Now the whole spindle
3627 Repub|              the third (Venus) has the whitest light; the fourth (Mars)
3628 Repub|               not little by little but wholesale; comprehending in one, things
3629 Repub|             said to be useless but not wicked-and, when we have done with
3630 Repub|               has been shown to be the wickedest, be also the most miserable?
3631 Repub|              himself to be a master in wickedness-when he is among his fellows,
3632 Repub|              is convinced that similar wickednesses are always being perpetrated
3633 Repub|                 or is he awake? ~He is wide awake. ~And may we not say
3634 Repub|                men, there is a lawless wild-beast nature, which peers out
3635 Repub|          carried off by a god into the wilderness, where there are no freemen
3636 Repub|            soothing and civilizing the wildness of passion by harmony and
3637 Repub|               things, much against his will-he will have to cajole his
3638 Repub|            fireside, passing round the wine-cup, while their wheel is conveniently
3639 Repub|              perfumes and garlands and wines, and all the pleasures of
3640 Repub|    quick-witted, and, like bees on the wing, light on every flower,
3641 Repub|              lusts-a sort of monstrous winged drone -that is the only
3642 Repub|              one which comes first and wins the turn; and when he has
3643 Repub|               you to snivel, and never wipes your nose: she has not even
3644 Repub|               not the vicious, man has wisdom-in my opinion. ~And in mine
3645 Repub|        ignorant, I must learn from the wise-that is what I deserve to have
3646 Repub|              mode of operation on this wise-the sense which is concerned
3647 Repub|               I could be sure that you wished to hear-otherwise, not. ~
3648 Repub|             himself the thing which he wishes to possess: or again, when
3649 Repub|               means of effecting their wishes-that is a matter which never
3650 Repub|              nobleness and simplicity, wishing, as AEschylus says, to be
3651 Repub|         general, and again willing and wishing-all these you would refer to
3652 Repub|               said, those who have the wit will doubtless forgive us. ~
3653 Repub|      themselves unchangeable, still by witchcraft and deception they may make
3654 Repub|           caused the opposite party to withdraw. ~And now what is their
3655 Repub|     consequences which follow shall be withdrawn. ~Yes, he said, that will
3656 Repub|               would do the same to his withered old father, first and most
3657 Repub|     provocation, a commotion may arise within-in the same way wherever there
3658 Repub|             every hole, bending like a withy and getting out of the way
3659 Repub|              sights which we ourselves witnessed. We were at the mouth of
3660 Repub|               sorrowful." ~Or again: ~"Woe is me that I am fated to
3661 Repub|                is destined to become a wolf. Did you never hear it? ~
3662 Repub|              from being a man become a wolf-that is, a tyrant? ~Inevitably. ~
3663 Repub|               a degree of meanness and womanishness in making an enemy of the
3664 Repub|                and preserves, in which womankind does really appear to be
3665 Repub|            being formed and fed in the womb of the earth, where they
3666 Repub|          becomes denaturalized, and is wont to be overpowered and to
3667 Repub|            counsels for the best about wooden implements? ~Certainly not. ~
3668 Repub|          replied, "suppose" is not the word-I know it; but you will be
3669 Repub|            before he departs. ~A great work-yes; but not the greatest, unless
3670 Repub|            reins? Nay, hardly even the workers in brass and leather who
3671 Repub|             are beds and tables in the world-plenty of them, are there not? ~
3672 Repub|            they are and walk about the world-the gentleman parades like a
3673 Repub|               the material and visible world-this power is given, as I was
3674 Repub|                turn upon the sheep and worry them, and behave not like
3675 Repub|                 Yes, said Glaucon, far worse-I will answer for him. ~Has
3676 Repub|             men can be, should be true worshippers of the gods and like them. ~
3677 Repub|               which they deem mean and worthless, esteeming above all things
3678 Repub|            failing, and he is going to wounds or death or is overtaken
3679 Repub|                to them and avert their wrath by sacrifices and soothing
3680 Repub|              most exact. ~Then, like a wrestler, he replied, you must put
3681 Repub|                lookers-on to be a most wretched idiot, although they would
3682 Repub|            must, that a tyranny is the wretchedest form of government, and
3683 Repub|               bodies, saying, Look, ye wretches, take your fill of the fair
3684 Repub|                every crooked turn, and wriggle into and out of every hole,
3685 Repub|               old men who, in spite of wrinkles and ugliness, continue to
3686 Repub|               a house." ~And if a poet writes of the sufferings of Niobe-the
3687 Repub|          citizen," you will not be far wrong-hereafter, if you like, we will carry
3688 Repub|             where he says, ~"Thou hast wronged me, O Far-darter, most abominable
3689 Repub|             money to his father, or is wronging him in any way, and he fails
3690 Repub|           expressed-whether rightly or wrongly, God knows. But, whether
3691 Repub|            assented. But Agamemnon was wroth, and bade him depart and
3692 Repub|              Periander or Perdiccas or Xerxes or Ismenias the Theban,
3693 Repub|           torpid state, and are apt to yawn and go to sleep over any
3694      | ye
3695 Repub|                only drink; for this he yearns and tries to obtain it? ~
3696 Repub|          tenfold; or once in a hundred years-such being reckoned to be the
3697 Repub|            color like one another, and yellower than the preceding; the
3698 Repub|             such as the saying of "the yelping hound howling at her lord,"
3699 Repub|               can hardly avoid saying, Yes-can he, now? Not if he has any
3700 Repub|              the Timaeus. ~I WENT down yesterday to the Piraeus with Glaucon,
3701 Repub|            while upon beds strewn with yew or myrtle. And they and
3702 Repub|             may one day fall under the yoke of the barbarians? ~To spare
3703 Repub|             you take the oldest or the youngest, or only those of ripe age? ~
3704 Repub|            dear delight too early; for youngsters, as you may have observed,