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 1 Intro|         at lovers’ perjuries they say Jove laughs’); he may be
 2 Intro|          with one another. I dare say that I have omitted to mention
 3 Intro|           he finds that they only say what is good of him, whether
 4 Intro|          Aristophanes is about to say something, when suddenly
 5 Text |         the greatest pleasure, to say nothing of the profit. But
 6 Text |         doing nothing. And I dare say that you pity me in return,
 7 Text |          is such a fine man. What say you to going with me unasked?~
 8 Text |       unbidden goes.’~But I shall say that I was bidden of you,
 9 Text |      nobly live—that principle, I say, neither kindred, nor honour,
10 Text |         good or great work. And I say that a lover who is detected
11 Text |           or old, has anything to say to their discredit; the
12 Text |           ill-reputed; that is to say, to the self-seeking of
13 Text |          forswear himself (so men say), and the gods will forgive
14 Text |       such a voluntary service, I say, is not to be regarded as
15 Text |           of the earth, and I may say in all that is; such is
16 Text |     between gods and men—these, I say, are concerned only with
17 Text |          with one another. I dare say that I too have omitted
18 Text |           other’s sight, as I may say, even for a moment: these
19 Text |         lying side by side and to say to them, ‘What do you people
20 Text |         love. There was a time, I say, when we were one, but now
21 Text |        they would have nothing to say, after the world of things
22 Text |  conversing with Socrates. Let me say first how I ought to speak,
23 Text |        praising everything. May I say without impiety or offence,
24 Text |           much more which I might say. Of his virtue I have now
25 Text |         are the lords of the city say, is justice. And not only
26 Text |            Therefore, Phaedrus, I say of Love that he is the fairest
27 Text |        gathered anywhere; and you say that ‘he is all this,’ and ‘
28 Text |         which (as Euripides would say (Eurip. Hyppolytus)) was
29 Text |        into any rivalry with you. Say then, Phaedrus, whether
30 Text |      myself: I do not want you to say that love is the love of
31 Text |       said Agathon.~And you would say the same of a mother?~He
32 Text |            Probably not, I should say.~Nay, replied Socrates,
33 Text |           have them. And when you say, I desire that which I have
34 Text |      there is no love—did you not say something of that kind?~
35 Text |         not.~Then would you still say that love is beautiful?~
36 Text |           us assume that what you say is true.~Say rather, beloved
37 Text |        that what you say is true.~Say rather, beloved Agathon,
38 Text |          a great god by those who say that he is not a god at
39 Text |           would—would you dare to say that any god was not?’ ‘
40 Text |           I imagine from what you say, has arisen out of a confusion
41 Text |   assuming Love to be such as you say, what is the use of him
42 Text |      beautiful. But some one will say: Of the beautiful in what,
43 Text |            or only some men?—what say you?’ ‘All men,’ I replied; ‘
44 Text |         some of them? whereas you say that all men are always
45 Text |        holds of love. For you may say generally that all desire
46 Text |         or to be lovers.’ ‘I dare say,’ I replied, ‘that you are
47 Text |       added, ‘and you hear people say that lovers are seeking
48 Text |           their other half; but I say that they are seeking neither
49 Text |   anything?’ ‘Certainly, I should say, that there is nothing.’ ‘
50 Text |           she replied. ‘I mean to say, that all men are bringing
51 Text |         but of Hellas, as one may say? There is Solon, too, who
52 Text |            And therefore, also, I say that every man ought to
53 Text |     Aristophanes was beginning to say something in answer to the
54 Text |       invite them in, but if not, say that the drinking is over.’
55 Text |         and now, what have you to say for yourself, and why are
56 Text |         said Alcibiades, and if I say anything which is not true,
57 Text |     interrupt me if you will, and say ‘that is a lie,’ though
58 Text |           for the truth’s sake. I say, that he is exactly like
59 Text |     images of gods inside them. I say also that he is like Marsyas
60 Text |       that I cannot answer him or say that I ought not to do as
61 Text |         who has suffered, as they say, is willing to tell his
62 Text | philosophy, which will make a man say or do anything. And you
63 Text |        all of you, and I need not say Socrates himself, have had
64 Text |    ashamed of what wise men would say if I were to refuse a favour
65 Text |           are mostly fools, would say of me if I granted it.’
66 Text |          elevated aim if what you say is true, and if there really
67 Text |     addresses to him. Wherefore I say to you, Agathon, ‘Be not