Dialogue

  1 Intro|           to the book. He seems to say expressly, that in this
  2 Intro|           to his character, cannot say anything of his own knowledge,
  3 Intro|          in love with him; and, to say the truth, he is very like
  4 Intro|             appears,” and when you say “appears to him,” that means “
  5 Intro|          also less,” would you not say?’ ‘Yes.’ ‘But Protagoras
  6 Intro|           subtraction?”’~‘I should say “No” if I were not afraid
  7 Intro|        former answer.’~‘And if you say “Yes,” the tongue will escape
  8 Intro|           mind, as Euripides would say?’ ‘True.’ ‘The thoroughbred
  9 Intro|           in dreaming; and who can say that at this instant we
 10 Intro|  continuity of phenomena; he would say that what is different is
 11 Intro|      Socrates, whether you mean to say that all this is untrue?’~‘
 12 Intro|    non-existence I have nothing to say, or you discourse about
 13 Intro|    proceeds as follows:—‘Should we say that we know what we see
 14 Intro|        foreign tongue?’~‘We should say that the figures of the
 15 Intro|           fairly charged,’ he will say, ‘with an answer which I
 16 Intro|          have extreme precision, I say that man in different relations
 17 Intro|            argument? For he cannot say that no one deems another
 18 Intro|            do you mean?’ I mean to say that a philosopher is a
 19 Intro|  inexperienced creature, unable to say anything personal, when
 20 Intro|       their theory. And did we not say, that all sensations arise
 21 Intro|          and of everything we must say equally, that this is and
 22 Intro|           to have opinion—shall we say that ‘Knowledge is true
 23 Intro|          another. But did you ever say to yourself, that good is
 24 Intro|          the wrong shoe—that is to say, put the seal or stamp on
 25 Intro|          of a man’s soul, as I may say in the words of Homer, who
 26 Intro|            brought all you have to say about knowledge to the birth?
 27 Intro|           experience.’ He means to say that the outward and not
 28 Intro|           by Aristotle; that is to say, he does not attempt to
 29 Intro|        anybody who is not dumb can say what he thinks; therefore
 30 Intro|      mental science. It is hard to say how many fallacies have
 31 Intro|   identical proposition—that is to say, a mere word or symbol claiming
 32 Intro|            is man is unmeaning; to say that he is free or necessary
 33 Intro|           are contained—that is to say, space, which may be explained
 34 Intro|          meaning. We should rather say that without it the mind
 35 Intro|   individual and the universal. To say that we can only have a
 36 Intro|           of our power over it. To say that the outward sense is
 37 Intro|         one another; it is hard to say how much our impressions
 38 Intro|      sensations themselves. We may say with Protagoras and Hume
 39 Intro|            in the past, that is to say, in the history of the individual
 40 Intro|           exact science. We cannot say that words always correspond
 41 Intro|    successive moments, which would say, with Protagoras, that the
 42 Intro|           and divested of them. We say to ourselves on revisiting
 43 Intro|            which we can venture to say that the vestiges are altogether
 44 Intro| Mathematics are wholes: that is to say, it is not a connected unity
 45  Thea|          must not be offended if I say that he is very like you;
 46  Thea|          attractions, I may freely say, that in all my acquaintance,
 47  Thea|          him.~THEAETETUS: I should say not.~SOCRATES: But if he
 48  Thea|         answer that question? What say you? which of us will speak
 49  Thea|       shall be donkey, as the boys say; he who lasts out his competitors
 50  Thea|           courage, then, and nobly say what you think that knowledge
 51  Thea|            you for running, and to say that he never met your equal
 52  Thea|           be of good cheer; do not say that Theodorus was mistaken
 53  Thea|         not know, Socrates; I only say what I feel.~SOCRATES: And
 54  Thea|            and therefore they only say of me, that I am the strangest
 55  Thea|           bear.~THEAETETUS: I dare say.~SOCRATES: And I dare say
 56  Thea|          say.~SOCRATES: And I dare say too, or rather I am absolutely
 57  Thea|          is knowledge?’—and do not say that you cannot tell; but
 58  Thea|            or a mere wind-egg:—You say that knowledge is perception?~
 59  Thea|       again.~SOCRATES: Does he not say that things are to you such
 60  Thea|          cold or not; or are we to say, with Protagoras, that the
 61  Thea|   Theaetetus?~THEAETETUS: I should say ‘No,’ Socrates, if I were
 62  Thea|          case as this—if I were to say that I, who am of a certain
 63  Thea|    trustworthy conception, as they say, can be formed, for the
 64  Thea|  THEAETETUS: I do not know what to say, Socrates; for, indeed,
 65  Thea|           a great deal in what you say, and I am very ready to
 66  Thea|          appears, we should rather say that nothing is which appears.~
 67  Thea|         THEAETETUS: I am afraid to say, Socrates, that I have nothing
 68  Thea|          of appearance. They would say, as I imagine—Can that which
 69  Thea|        SOCRATES: And would you not say the same of Socrates sleeping
 70  Thea|       thing is or becomes, he must say that it is or becomes to
 71  Thea|    something else; but he must not say or allow any one else to
 72  Thea|           or allow any one else to say that anything is or becomes
 73  Thea|          and all that company, you say that all is motion and flux,
 74  Thea|           have delivered you? What say you?~THEAETETUS: I cannot
 75  Thea|          fairness. And now I shall say nothing myself, but shall
 76  Thea|       friend.~THEODORUS: Do as you say, Socrates; you are quite
 77  Thea|          captandum’ in all this? I say nothing of the ridiculous
 78  Thea|            proverbial philosophers say, and therefore I will return
 79  Thea|         his behalf, will doubtless say in reply,—Good people, young
 80  Thea|          you and Theodorus mean to say that we must look at the
 81  Thea|      Certainly.~SOCRATES: Shall we say that we know every thing
 82  Thea|        hear? for example, shall we say that not having learned,
 83  Thea|           speak to us? or shall we say that we not only hear, but
 84  Thea|           not understand, shall we say that we do not see them?
 85  Thea|         them?~THEAETETUS: We shall say, Socrates, that we know
 86  Thea|            hear of them—that is to say, we see and know the figure
 87  Thea|            SOCRATES: Some one will say, Can a man who has ever
 88  Thea|            Socrates, would dare to say so?~SOCRATES: But we must
 89  Thea|          so?~SOCRATES: But we must say so, if the previous argument
 90  Thea|           he who sees knows, as we say, that which he sees; for
 91  Thea|           have had a great deal to say on their behalf. But he
 92  Thea|    THEAETETUS: He cannot, I should say.~SOCRATES: He can, if you
 93  Thea|            with us in disdain, and say:—The worthy Socrates asked
 94  Thea|             O my good sir, he will say, come to the argument in
 95  Thea|           have no existence; but I say that the wise man is he
 96  Thea|           tadpoles: far from it; I say that they are the physicians
 97  Thea|        what we really mean when we say that all things are in motion,
 98  Thea|            of all mankind, when we say that every one thinks himself
 99  Thea|       treat the argument? Shall we say that the opinions of men
100  Thea|             if so, you must either say that the rest of us are
101  Thea|       contend, or rather, I should say that he will allow, when
102  Thea|         true opinion—Protagoras, I say, will himself allow that
103  Thea|          mean?~SOCRATES: I mean to say, that those who have been
104  Thea|          than he can tell, as they say, how many pints are contained
105  Thea|      THEODORUS: I do, and what you say is true.~SOCRATES: And thus,
106  Thea|            has nothing personal to say in answer to the civilities
107  Thea|         the praises of family, and say that some one is a gentleman
108  Thea|            the perpetual flux, who say that things are as they
109  Thea|             O, Protagoras, we will say to him, Man is, as you declare,
110  Thea|    Protagoras (as we shall further say), to the future as well
111  Thea|            yet arguing; but can we say that every one will be to
112  Thea|        unassailable, and those who say that there is clear evidence
113  Thea|         Heracleitus, which, as you say, are as old as Homer, or
114  Thea|        have anything reasonable to say, we shall be in a ridiculous
115  Thea|            the two parties have to say would be quite intolerable.~
116  Thea|        What do they mean when they say that all things are in motion?
117  Thea|   THEODORUS: I think so.~SOCRATES: Say rather that it must be so.
118  Thea|     address ourselves to those who say that all is motion, and
119  Thea|             but I think they would say that all things are moved
120  Thea|            not, they would have to say that the same things are
121  Thea|      concrete instances: I mean to say that the producing power
122  Thea|          distinguished, that is to say, they move in place and
123  Thea|      changed, we should be able to say what is the nature of the
124  Thea|       SOCRATES: And what would you say of perceptions, such as
125  Thea|          is equally right: you may say that a thing is or is not
126  Thea|           becomes’ thus; and if we say ‘becomes,’ we shall not
127  Thea|          the doctrine of those who say that all things are at rest,
128  Thea|       Melissus and the others, who say that ‘All is one and at
129  Thea|          and low sounds?—you would say, if I am not mistaken, ‘
130  Thea|          which is more correct, to say that we see or hear with
131  Thea|         ears.~THEAETETUS: I should say ‘through,’ Socrates, rather
132  Thea|        another?~THEAETETUS: I dare say.~SOCRATES: But through what
133  Thea|    universal?~THEAETETUS: I should say, to that class which the
134  Thea|            SOCRATES: And would you say this also of like and unlike,
135  Thea|            SOCRATES: And would you say the same of the noble and
136  Thea|             SOCRATES: Which, as we say, has no part in the attainment
137  Thea|        clearer view, and once more say what is knowledge.~THEAETETUS:
138  Thea|    knowledge.~THEAETETUS: I cannot say, Socrates, that all opinion
139  Thea|        speak of false opinion, and say that one man holds a false
140  Thea|           THEAETETUS: We certainly say so.~SOCRATES: All things
141  Thea|            determined, must we not say that he who has an opinion,
142  Thea|            SOCRATES: What shall we say then? When a man has a false
143  Thea|           Then suppose some one to say to us, Theaetetus:—Is it
144  Thea|          exchange in his mind, and say that one real object is
145  Thea|         THEAETETUS: What makes you say so?~SOCRATES: You think,
146  Thea|           is called her opinion. I say, then, that to form an opinion
147  Thea|            did you ever venture to say to yourself that odd is
148  Thea|        them both in his soul, will say and think that the one is
149  Thea|      Parmen.; Euthyd.)). I mean to say, that no one thinks the
150  Thea|            and I agree to what you say.~SOCRATES: If a man has
151  Thea|            THEAETETUS: You mean to say, as I suspected at the time,
152  Thea|            I see.~SOCRATES: Let us say that this tablet is a gift
153  Thea|         the wrong shoe— that is to say, putting the vision of either
154  Thea|          not.~SOCRATES: I meant to say, that when a person knows
155  Thea|          case, in which, as we now say, false opinion may arise,
156  Thea|     explanation, and then you will say so with more reason; for
157  Thea|             Kerh Kerhos); these, I say, being pure and clear, and
158  Thea|  THEAETETUS: No man, Socrates, can say anything truer than that.~
159  Thea|         THEAETETUS: What makes you say so?~SOCRATES: Because I
160  Thea|           perception? Yes, I shall say, with the complacence of
161  Thea|        Socrates.~SOCRATES: He will say: You mean to argue that
162  Thea|      SOCRATES: Well, then, he will say, according to that argument,
163  Thea|          him?~THEAETETUS: I should say that a mistake may very
164  Thea|         the abstract, which, as we say, are recorded on the waxen
165  Thea|         and thus we are obliged to say, either that false opinion
166  Thea|           wits, shall I venture to say what knowing is? for I think
167  Thea|          make a slight change, and say ‘to possess’ knowledge.~
168  Thea|           wear; and then we should say, not that he has, but that
169  Thea|      constructed at home; we might say of him in one sense, that
170  Thea|            image of the doves, and say that the chase after knowledge
171  Thea|            about reading? Shall we say, that although he knows,
172  Thea|       Socrates.~SOCRATES: Shall we say then that he is going to
173  Thea|            SOCRATES: Then shall we say that about names we care
174  Thea|         one by mistake, that is to say, when he thought eleven
175  Thea|           raised disappear. I dare say that you agree with me,
176  Thea|       words. Let us grant what you say—then, according to you,
177  Thea|         excellent friends, he will say, laughing, if a man knows
178  Thea|          progress.’ What are we to say in reply, Theaetetus?~THEAETETUS:
179  Thea|            not know what we are to say.~SOCRATES: Are not his reproaches
180  Thea|           once more, what shall we say that knowledge is?—for we
181  Thea|        SOCRATES: And would you not say that persuading them is
182  Thea|      rational explanation, you may say that his mind is truly exercised,
183  Thea|         them?~THEAETETUS: I should say that we mean all the letters.~
184  Thea|          us assume then, as we now say, that the syllable is a
185  Thea|            the parts. Or would you say that a whole, although formed
186  Thea|            SOCRATES: And would you say that all and the whole are
187  Thea|            case of number:—When we say one, two, three, four, five,
188  Thea|        four, five, six; or when we say twice three, or three times
189  Thea|            and compounds, we shall say that the letters or simple
190  Thea|        perhaps he only intended to say, that when a person was
191  Thea|          perhaps we had better not say so as yet, for were there
192  Thea|     SOCRATES: What, then, shall we say of adding reason or explanation
193  Thea|             what were you going to say just now, when you asked
194  Thea|       brought all that you have to say about knowledge to the birth?~