Dialogue

  1 Intro|            youth and fineness; the young men grew softer and smaller,
  2 Intro|    reversed; the infants grew into young men, and the young men became
  3 Intro|            into young men, and the young men became greyheaded; no
  4 Intro|      Introduction to Critias). The young Socrates has heard of the
  5 Intro|            and ready assent of the young Socrates, who is not too
  6 State|            take his companion, the Young Socrates, instead of him?
  7 State|          turn, as you propose. The young always do better when they
  8 State|          you.~STRANGER: Very good. Young Socrates, do you hear what
  9 State|       elder Socrates is proposing?~YOUNG SOCRATES: I do.~STRANGER:
 10 State|         you agree to his proposal?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly.~STRANGER:
 11 State|            those who have science.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes.~STRANGER:
 12 State|         must be divided as before?~YOUNG SOCRATES: I dare say.~STRANGER:
 13 State|     division will not be the same?~YOUNG SOCRATES: How then?~STRANGER:
 14 State|       divided at some other point.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes.~STRANGER:
 15 State|       knowledge under two classes.~YOUNG SOCRATES: To find the path
 16 State|          be yours as well as mine.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Very good.~STRANGER:
 17 State|      wholly separated from action?~YOUNG SOCRATES: True.~STRANGER:
 18 State|          previously did not exist.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly.~STRANGER:
 19 State|           are purely intellectual.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Let us assume
 20 State|         the matter in another way.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Let me hear.~STRANGER:
 21 State|        also be called a physician?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes.~STRANGER:
 22 State|       ruler himself ought to have?~YOUNG SOCRATES: True.~STRANGER:
 23 State|        true king is royal science?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes.~STRANGER:
 24 State|           be truly called ‘royal’?~YOUNG SOCRATES: He certainly ought
 25 State|           and master are the same?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Of course.~STRANGER:
 26 State|           government is concerned?~YOUNG SOCRATES: They will not.~
 27 State|            any one about the name.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly not.~
 28 State|          and strength of his mind.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Clearly not.~STRANGER:
 29 State|         practical life in general?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly he has.~
 30 State|       kingly science and the king.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Clearly.~STRANGER:
 31 State|           the sphere of knowledge?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Very good.~STRANGER:
 32 State|           or parting in knowledge.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Tell me of what
 33 State|        made an art of calculation?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes.~STRANGER:
 34 State|          of the arts of knowledge?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly.~STRANGER:
 35 State|     judgment on their differences?~YOUNG SOCRATES: How could we?~
 36 State|           is the ruler of workmen?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes.~STRANGER:
 37 State|      knowledge, not manual labour?~YOUNG SOCRATES: True.~STRANGER:
 38 State|            in theoretical science?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Quite true.~STRANGER:
 39 State|           have completed the work.~YOUNG SOCRATES: True.~STRANGER:
 40 State|           other of ruling as well?~YOUNG SOCRATES: That is evident.~
 41 State|            the other which judges?~YOUNG SOCRATES: I should think
 42 State|          surely a desirable thing?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Very true.~STRANGER:
 43 State|       about the fancies of others?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly not.~
 44 State|         command—for he is a ruler?~YOUNG SOCRATES: The latter, clearly.~
 45 State|          the king from the herald.~YOUNG SOCRATES: How is this?~STRANGER:
 46 State|       which have been sold before?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly he does.~
 47 State|          turn give them to others?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Very true.~STRANGER:
 48 State|            him who is not a ruler.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Very good.~STRANGER:
 49 State|           of any further division.~YOUNG SOCRATES: By all means.~
 50 State|            in making the division.~YOUNG SOCRATES: At what point?~
 51 State|            of producing something?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly.~STRANGER:
 52 State|         produced into two classes.~YOUNG SOCRATES: How would you
 53 State|         and some are without life.~YOUNG SOCRATES: True.~STRANGER:
 54 State|          knowledge which commands.~YOUNG SOCRATES: At what point?~
 55 State|         the whole will be divided.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly.~STRANGER:
 56 State|          also be divided into two.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Which of the two
 57 State|          control of living beings.~YOUNG SOCRATES: True.~STRANGER:
 58 State|            of creatures in flocks?~YOUNG SOCRATES: True.~STRANGER:
 59 State|           drove of horses or oxen.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes, I see, thanks
 60 State|          of collective management?~YOUNG SOCRATES: No matter;—whichever
 61 State|          amongst half that number?~YOUNG SOCRATES: I will try;—there
 62 State|          that we had better avoid.~YOUNG SOCRATES: What is the error?~
 63 State|           in a process of enquiry.~YOUNG SOCRATES: What do you mean,
 64 State|          meaning a little clearer.~YOUNG SOCRATES: What was the error
 65 State|           which were also classes.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Very true; but
 66 State|         you ever heard me declare—~YOUNG SOCRATES: What?~STRANGER:
 67 State|           and a part are distinct.~YOUNG SOCRATES: What did I hear,
 68 State|         attribute to me, Socrates.~YOUNG SOCRATES: So be it.~STRANGER:
 69 State|       which I should like to know.~YOUNG SOCRATES: What is it?~STRANGER:
 70 State|        brutes making up the other.~YOUNG SOCRATES: True.~STRANGER:
 71 State|         the common name of brutes.~YOUNG SOCRATES: That again is
 72 State|        which we must try to avoid.~YOUNG SOCRATES: How can we be
 73 State|           to fall into that error.~YOUNG SOCRATES: We had better
 74 State|            in our former division.~YOUNG SOCRATES: How?~STRANGER:
 75 State|             with animals in herds?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes.~STRANGER:
 76 State|          be tamed are called wild.~YOUNG SOCRATES: True.~STRANGER:
 77 State|    confined to gregarious animals.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes.~STRANGER:
 78 State|          which the proverb speaks.~YOUNG SOCRATES: What misfortune?~
 79 State|         which is too little speed.~YOUNG SOCRATES: And all the better,
 80 State|            to know. Tell me, then—~YOUNG SOCRATES: What?~STRANGER:
 81 State|        preserves in wells at home?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes, to be sure,
 82 State|            the plains of Thessaly?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly.~STRANGER:
 83 State|           land and of water herds.~YOUNG SOCRATES: There is.~STRANGER:
 84 State|         the rearing of land herds?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes.~STRANGER:
 85 State|           is evident to everybody.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly.~STRANGER:
 86 State|            which feed on dry land?~YOUNG SOCRATES: How would you
 87 State|          fly and those which walk.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Most true.~STRANGER:
 88 State|           that he is a pedestrian?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly.~STRANGER:
 89 State|        might halve an even number.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Clearly.~STRANGER:
 90 State|         them, whichever we please.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Cannot we have
 91 State|          in turn, you clearly may.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Then I should
 92 State|            attend to the division.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Let me hear.~STRANGER:
 93 State|           nature into two classes.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Upon what principle?~
 94 State|            other is without horns.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Clearly.~STRANGER:
 95 State|           the intricacy too great.~YOUNG SOCRATES: How must I speak
 96 State|            herd that has no horns.~YOUNG SOCRATES: All that you say
 97 State|           herd, who have no horns.~YOUNG SOCRATES: That is evident.~
 98 State|         assign to him what is his?~YOUNG SOCRATES: By all means.~
 99 State|       breed? You know what I mean.~YOUNG SOCRATES: What?~STRANGER:
100 State|            breed from one another.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes.~STRANGER:
101 State|            will not mix the breed.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Very true.~STRANGER:
102 State|            or of the unmixed race?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Clearly of the
103 State|       divide this again as before.~YOUNG SOCRATES: We must.~STRANGER:
104 State|          among gregarious animals.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly not;
105 State|          are students of geometry.~YOUNG SOCRATES: What is that?~
106 State|          diameter. (Compare Meno.)~YOUNG SOCRATES: What do you mean?~
107 State|           whose power is two feet?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Just so.~STRANGER:
108 State|          diameter of our diameter.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly; and
109 State|          make another famous jest.~YOUNG SOCRATES: What is it?~STRANGER:
110 State|          running a race with them.~YOUNG SOCRATES: I remark that
111 State|            slowest to arrive last?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Indeed I should.~
112 State|         and laziest of creation.’)~YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly.~STRANGER:
113 State|        Sophist? (Compare Sophist.)~YOUNG SOCRATES: What?~STRANGER:
114 State|          way at the truest result.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Clearly.~STRANGER:
115 State|          the definition of a king.~YOUNG SOCRATES: By all means.~
116 State|     vocation which belongs to him.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Very good; you
117 State|            of the Statesman’s art.~YOUNG SOCRATES: By all means.~
118 State|           the royal and political.~YOUNG SOCRATES: To be sure.~STRANGER:
119 State|       really have done as you say?~YOUNG SOCRATES: What?~STRANGER:
120 State|           where the enquiry fails.~YOUNG SOCRATES: I do not understand.~
121 State|          mind, clearer to us both.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Let me hear.~STRANGER:
122 State|            of one particular herd?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes.~STRANGER:
123 State|          rearing man collectively?~YOUNG SOCRATES: True.~STRANGER:
124 State|          from all other shepherds.~YOUNG SOCRATES: To what do you
125 State|            management of the herd?~YOUNG SOCRATES: What do you mean?~
126 State|        also the rulers themselves.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Are they not right
127 State|     tenders of animals in general.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Very true.~STRANGER:
128 State|         rearer of the human flock?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Surely not.~STRANGER:
129 State|         share in his prerogatives?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Very true.~STRANGER:
130 State|         the argument at its close.~YOUNG SOCRATES: We must certainly
131 State|        travel by a different road.~YOUNG SOCRATES: What road?~STRANGER:
132 State|      summit. Shall we do as I say?~YOUNG SOCRATES: By all means.~
133 State|            for childish amusement.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Let me hear.~STRANGER:
134 State|         say happened at that time?~YOUNG SOCRATES: I suppose you
135 State|            to the right of Atreus.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes; there is
136 State|            of the reign of Cronos.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes, very often.~
137 State|           begotten of one another?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes, that is another
138 State|            the nature of the king.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Very good; and
139 State|            the opposite direction.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Why is that?~STRANGER:
140 State|       turns on the smallest pivot.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Your account of
141 State|         these wonders. It is this.~YOUNG SOCRATES: What?~STRANGER:
142 State|            motion of the universe.~YOUNG SOCRATES: How is that the
143 State|        greatest and most complete.~YOUNG SOCRATES: I should imagine
144 State|          of the world at the time.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Such changes would
145 State|            come upon them at once.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Very true.~STRANGER:
146 State|           which we are now living.~YOUNG SOCRATES: What is it?~STRANGER:
147 State|         was then reversed and grew young and delicate; the white
148 State|            days were no more seen.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Then how, Stranger,
149 State|       above legend clings to them.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly that
150 State|         them you deem the happier?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Impossible.~STRANGER:
151 State|          for you as well as I can?~YOUNG SOCRATES: By all means.~
152 State|            our previous discourse.~YOUNG SOCRATES: What was this
153 State|          larger and grander scale.~YOUNG SOCRATES: What do you mean?~
154 State|         not so great as the first.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Very good.~STRANGER:
155 State|          the nature of his office.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly.~STRANGER:
156 State|          the care of human beings.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Very true.~STRANGER:
157 State|            breeding and education.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly.~STRANGER:
158 State|           or on a level with them.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Of course.~STRANGER:
159 State|         the art of rearing a herd?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes, I remember.~
160 State|         place in our nomenclature.~YOUNG SOCRATES: How was that?~
161 State|       which is common to them all.~YOUNG SOCRATES: True, if there
162 State|         argument seems to require.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Quite right; but
163 State|            and the rule of Cronos.~YOUNG SOCRATES: That is clear;
164 State|         such an art than any king.~YOUNG SOCRATES: True.~STRANGER:
165 State|          rule over men in general.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Quite true.~STRANGER:
166 State|           the end of our analysis.~YOUNG SOCRATES: What was it?~STRANGER:
167 State|           were no more to be said.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly not.~
168 State|            considerable divisions.~YOUNG SOCRATES: How can they be
169 State|         human guardian or manager.~YOUNG SOCRATES: True.~STRANGER:
170 State|       again have to be subdivided.~YOUNG SOCRATES: On what principle?~
171 State|          voluntary and compulsory.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Why?~STRANGER:
172 State|         their modes of government.~YOUNG SOCRATES: True.~STRANGER:
173 State|          voluntary and compulsory.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly.~STRANGER:
174 State|           true king and statesman?~YOUNG SOCRATES: I think, Stranger,
175 State|       duller sort by works of art.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Very true; but
176 State|            up and to know nothing.~YOUNG SOCRATES: What do you mean?~
177 State|           experience of knowledge.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Why so?~STRANGER:
178 State|     assistance of another example.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Proceed; you need
179 State|   beginning to know their letters—~YOUNG SOCRATES: What are you going
180 State|            to tell them correctly.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly.~STRANGER:
181 State|         and speak falsely of them.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Very true.~STRANGER:
182 State|        they do not as yet know be—~YOUNG SOCRATES: Be what?~STRANGER:
183 State|           called by the same name.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly.~STRANGER:
184 State|       which includes both of them.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Exactly.~STRANGER:
185 State|            again ignorant of them?~YOUNG SOCRATES: There is nothing
186 State|        truth and to attain wisdom?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Hardly.~STRANGER:
187 State|            become a reality to us.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Very true.~STRANGER:
188 State|            has first to be framed.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Exactly.~STRANGER:
189 State|            illustrate our meaning?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly.~STRANGER:
190 State|            needed for our purpose?~YOUNG SOCRATES: How do you mean?~
191 State|            performing the process.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Very good.~STRANGER:
192 State|       differed from the political?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Most true.~STRANGER:
193 State|        from the co-operative arts.~YOUNG SOCRATES: And which are
194 State|        what I termed kindred arts.~YOUNG SOCRATES: I understand.~
195 State|         part is the cobbler’s art.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Precisely.~STRANGER:
196 State|           has the name of weaving.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Very true.~STRANGER:
197 State|           the opposite of weaving.~YOUNG SOCRATES: How so?~STRANGER:
198 State|      Weaving is a sort of uniting?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes.~STRANGER:
199 State|         clotted and matted fibres?~YOUNG SOCRATES: What do you mean?~
200 State|            the carder is a weaver.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly not.~
201 State|         was paradoxical and false.~YOUNG SOCRATES: To be sure.~STRANGER:
202 State|          these as arts of weaving?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly not.~
203 State| considerable field for themselves.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Very true.~STRANGER:
204 State|          every work of the weaver.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Most true.~STRANGER:
205 State|          to be first cleared away?~YOUNG SOCRATES: True.~STRANGER:
206 State|       proceed in a regular manner?~YOUNG SOCRATES: By all means.~
207 State|            everything which we do.~YOUNG SOCRATES: What are they?~
208 State|         other the principal cause.~YOUNG SOCRATES: What do you mean?~
209 State|      things themselves are causal.~YOUNG SOCRATES: A very reasonable
210 State|         things themselves, causal.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Very true.~STRANGER:
211 State|          we call the fuller’s art.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Very good.~STRANGER:
212 State|            art of working in wool.~YOUNG SOCRATES: To be sure.~STRANGER:
213 State|         parts of two arts at once.~YOUNG SOCRATES: How is that?~STRANGER:
214 State|           and the art of division.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes.~STRANGER:
215 State|        which I just now mentioned.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Very true.~STRANGER:
216 State|         the principle of division.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Let that be done.~
217 State|          aforesaid art of weaving.~YOUNG SOCRATES: We must.~STRANGER:
218 State|         the art of combining them.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Do I understand
219 State|        twisting, is the woof made?~YOUNG SOCRATES: There is no other
220 State|  definition will be of use to you.~YOUNG SOCRATES: How shall I define
221 State|          is said to be pulled out.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes.~STRANGER:
222 State|          art of spinning the warp.~YOUNG SOCRATES: True.~STRANGER:
223 State|          art of spinning the woof.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Very true.~STRANGER:
224 State|        this is the art of weaving.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Very true.~STRANGER:
225 State|          long and useless circuit?~YOUNG SOCRATES: I thought, Stranger,
226 State|           to arguments in general.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Proceed.~STRANGER:
227 State|          discussions of this kind.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Let us do so.~
228 State|          dwell are the following:—~YOUNG SOCRATES: What? STRANGER:
229 State|         measurement is conversant.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes.~STRANGER:
230 State|            to our present purpose.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Where would you
231 State|    production would be impossible.~YOUNG SOCRATES: What do you mean?~
232 State|    reference to the greater alone?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes.~STRANGER:
233 State|          between good and bad men?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Plainly.~STRANGER:
234 State|            to hear the reason why?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly.~STRANGER:
235 State|           of either with the mean.~YOUNG SOCRATES: True.~STRANGER:
236 State|        this observance of measure.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly.~STRANGER:
237 State|        science will be impossible.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Very true.~STRANGER:
238 State|  undisputed master of his science.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes, we must certainly
239 State|            something of this sort—~YOUNG SOCRATES: What?~STRANGER:
240 State|         wanting, there is neither.~YOUNG SOCRATES: True; and what
241 State|         removed from the extremes.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Here are two vast
242 State|          not forget what they are.~YOUNG SOCRATES: We will not forget.~
243 State|         such arguments in general.~YOUNG SOCRATES: What is this new
244 State|  particular word, or of all words?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Clearly, in order
245 State|            of reasoning generally?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Clearly, as in
246 State|       small matters than on great.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Very good.~STRANGER:
247 State|           the bearing of all this.~YOUNG SOCRATES: What is it?~STRANGER:
248 State|      disagreeables for the future.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Very good. Will
249 State|           was to be borne in mind.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Very true.~STRANGER:
250 State|      aforesaid example of weaving.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Very good;—let
251 State|    distinguished from one another.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Very good.~STRANGER:
252 State|        very evident as we proceed.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Then we had better
253 State|          as few parts as possible.~YOUNG SOCRATES: What is to be
254 State|    regarded by us as co-operative.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes.~STRANGER:
255 State|         product of the kingly art.~YOUNG SOCRATES: No, indeed.~STRANGER:
256 State|        which I have a word to say.~YOUNG SOCRATES: What class do
257 State|            that which is produced.~YOUNG SOCRATES: To what do you
258 State|            which we are in search.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly not.~
259 State|       always a seat for something.~YOUNG SOCRATES: What is it?~STRANGER:
260 State|           potter, and coppersmith.~YOUNG SOCRATES: I understand.~
261 State|      rather than of the Statesman.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly.~STRANGER:
262 State|       comprehended under one name?~YOUNG SOCRATES: What is it?~STRANGER:
263 State|             Plaything is the name.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly.~STRANGER:
264 State|       amusement is their sole aim.~YOUNG SOCRATES: That again I understand.~
265 State|        arts, may I not rank sixth?~YOUNG SOCRATES: What do you mean?~
266 State|     science has no concern at all.~YOUNG SOCRATES: True.~STRANGER:
267 State|            to the Statesman’s art.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly not.~
268 State|            animals, except slaves.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Very true.~STRANGER:
269 State|       royal and political science.~YOUNG SOCRATES: I agree.~STRANGER:
270 State|           of this remaining class.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Let us do so.~
271 State|            of what we anticipated.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Who are they?~
272 State|           not claim royal science.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly not.~
273 State|            statecraft or politics?~YOUNG SOCRATES: No; unless, indeed,
274 State|            share in royal science?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly not.~
275 State|       other serviceable officials?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Who are they,
276 State|           what shall we call them?~YOUNG SOCRATES: They are the officials,
277 State|   somewhere in this neighbourhood.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Very true.~STRANGER:
278 State|   interpreters of the gods to men.~YOUNG SOCRATES: True.~STRANGER:
279 State|        servile or ministerial art.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes, clearly.~
280 State|         lot to be the King Archon.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Precisely.~STRANGER:
281 State|  disappears and the scene changes?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Whom can you mean?~
282 State|           They are a strange crew.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Why strange?~STRANGER:
283 State|         begin to see who they are.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Who are they?
284 State|          politician and his troop.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Who is he?~STRANGER:
285 State|            in the present enquiry.~YOUNG SOCRATES: That is a hope
286 State|         let me ask you a question.~YOUNG SOCRATES: What?~STRANGER:
287 State|     recognized form of government?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes.~STRANGER:
288 State|         the government of the few?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Of course.~STRANGER:
289 State|          by the name of democracy?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly.~STRANGER:
290 State|        themselves two other names?~YOUNG SOCRATES: What are they?~
291 State|           SOCRATES: What are they?~YOUNG SOCRATES: What are they?~
292 State|        names, royalty and tyranny.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Very true.~STRANGER:
293 State|         aristocracy and oligarchy.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly.~STRANGER:
294 State|        language has the same name.~YOUNG SOCRATES: True.~STRANGER:
295 State|           law, can be a right one?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Why not?~STRANGER:
296 State|            Reflect; and follow me.~YOUNG SOCRATES: In what direction?~
297 State|        shall we retract our words?~YOUNG SOCRATES: To what do you
298 State|         royal power was a science?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes.~STRANGER:
299 State|        judicial and authoritative?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes.~STRANGER:
300 State|            the particular science?~YOUNG SOCRATES: True.~STRANGER:
301 State|            with what has preceded.~YOUNG SOCRATES: And we must be
302 State|           them from the wise king.~YOUNG SOCRATES: That, as the argument
303 State|          attain political science?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Impossible.~STRANGER:
304 State|           or say fifty, who could?~YOUNG SOCRATES: In that case political
305 State|             at any rate, of a few.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly.~STRANGER:
306 State|          any other art of command.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Quite true.~STRANGER:
307 State|           the notion of the ruler.~YOUNG SOCRATES: True.~STRANGER:
308 State|        imitations like the others.~YOUNG SOCRATES: I agree, Stranger,
309 State|           government without laws.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly.~STRANGER:
310 State|            Do you see why this is?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Why?~STRANGER:
311 State|            will last for all time.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Of course not.~
312 State|            commanded for some one.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly; the
313 State|          is the reverse of simple.~YOUNG SOCRATES: True.~STRANGER:
314 State|           next to be investigated.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly.~STRANGER:
315 State|           wrestling, and the like?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes; they are
316 State|       authority? Can you remember?~YOUNG SOCRATES: To what do you
317 State|         will benefit the majority.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Very true.~STRANGER:
318 State|            bodily exercise may be.~YOUNG SOCRATES: True.~STRANGER:
319 State|          for each particular case.~YOUNG SOCRATES: He cannot be expected
320 State|            customs of the country.~YOUNG SOCRATES: He will be right.~
321 State|      restriction of a written law.~YOUNG SOCRATES: So I should infer
322 State|          what is going to be said.~YOUNG SOCRATES: And what is that?~
323 State|            his pupils or patients.~YOUNG SOCRATES: True.~STRANGER:
324 State|  enactments be utterly ridiculous?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Utterly.~STRANGER:
325 State|           ridiculous as the other?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly.~STRANGER:
326 State|          people which is in point?~YOUNG SOCRATES: I do not recall
327 State|      legislate, but not otherwise.~YOUNG SOCRATES: And are they not
328 State|            our previous instances.~YOUNG SOCRATES: What do you mean?~
329 State|           aggravating his disease.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Most true.~STRANGER:
330 State|            disgrace, or injustice.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Quite true.~STRANGER:
331 State|           those who compelled him.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Very true.~STRANGER:
332 State|           better from being worse.~YOUNG SOCRATES: No one can deny
333 State|          deny the other statement.~YOUNG SOCRATES: What was it?~STRANGER:
334 State|            and some for the worse.~YOUNG SOCRATES: What do you mean?
335 State|           prevails in this matter.~YOUNG SOCRATES: What do you mean?~
336 State|           best thing in the world.~YOUNG SOCRATES: What is this?~
337 State|            I call the second best?~YOUNG SOCRATES: By all means.~
338 State|         describe kings and rulers.~YOUNG SOCRATES: What images?~STRANGER:
339 State|            some image of the king.~YOUNG SOCRATES: What sort of an
340 State|        patient after this fashion.~YOUNG SOCRATES: What a strange
341 State|    according to the written rules.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Worse and worse.~
342 State|            he is to suffer or pay.~YOUNG SOCRATES: He who is willing
343 State|           he is a corrupter of the young, who would persuade them
344 State|            persuading any, whether young or old, to act contrary
345 State|          what would be the result?~YOUNG SOCRATES: All the arts would
346 State|        worse evil than the former?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Very true.~STRANGER:
347 State|          adherence to written law?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly.~STRANGER:
348 State|           in any respect whatever.~YOUNG SOCRATES: True.~STRANGER:
349 State|          those who have knowledge?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly they
350 State|           absence would be better.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes, we said so.~
351 State|           like the true Statesman?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly.~STRANGER:
352 State|            an imitation no longer.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Quite true.~STRANGER:
353 State|            already admitted by us.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes, it has.~STRANGER:
354 State|       wealthy or by the other mob.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Impossible.~STRANGER:
355 State|         laws and national customs.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Very good.~STRANGER:
356 State|            of the laws, oligarchy.~YOUNG SOCRATES: True.~STRANGER:
357 State|         opinion or with knowledge.~YOUNG SOCRATES: To be sure.~STRANGER:
358 State|          now reckoned, become one.~YOUNG SOCRATES: That is true.~
359 State|            one be called a tyrant?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly.~STRANGER:
360 State|            true and perfect State.~YOUNG SOCRATES: To be sure.~STRANGER:
361 State|           true form of government.~YOUNG SOCRATES: True.~STRANGER:
362 State|            most perfect knowledge.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Very true.~STRANGER:
363 State|       actions: we must examine it.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes, we must.~
364 State|           hardest and the easiest.~YOUNG SOCRATES: What do you mean?~
365 State|          and the rule of the many.~YOUNG SOCRATES: True.~STRANGER:
366 State|        distinguished as a seventh.~YOUNG SOCRATES: How would you
367 State|          one, must now be divided.~YOUNG SOCRATES: On what principle
368 State|            as well as to the rest.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes.~STRANGER:
369 State|          law will bisect them all.~YOUNG SOCRATES: That would seem
370 State|         oppressive to the subject.~YOUNG SOCRATES: True.~STRANGER:
371 State|      States what God is among men.~YOUNG SOCRATES: You are quite
372 State|          the greatest of Sophists.~YOUNG SOCRATES: The name of Sophist
373 State|        from the political science.~YOUNG SOCRATES: So I perceive.~
374 State|          process of refining gold.~YOUNG SOCRATES: What is your meaning?~
375 State|           gold is left quite pure.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes, that is the
376 State|          seek alone and unalloyed?~YOUNG SOCRATES: That is obviously
377 State|           to answer me a question.~YOUNG SOCRATES: What question?~
378 State|        handicraft arts in general?~YOUNG SOCRATES: There is.~STRANGER:
379 State|          learned;—what do you say?~YOUNG SOCRATES: I should answer
380 State|         different from the others?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes.~STRANGER:
381 State|        governor of all the others?~YOUNG SOCRATES: The latter.~STRANGER:
382 State|          learned or which teaches?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Far superior.~
383 State|         which is able to persuade?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Of course.~STRANGER:
384 State|          tale and not by teaching?~YOUNG SOCRATES: That power, I
385 State|          or to refrain altogether?~YOUNG SOCRATES: To that science
386 State|        mistaken, will be politics?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Very good.~STRANGER:
387 State|             yet ministering to it.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes.~STRANGER:
388 State|          sort of power or science?~YOUNG SOCRATES: What science?~
389 State|      regarded as a science or not?~YOUNG SOCRATES: How can generalship
390 State|         same as this or different?~YOUNG SOCRATES: If we are to be
391 State|         give up our former notion?~YOUNG SOCRATES: True.~STRANGER:
392 State|            it but the truly royal?~YOUNG SOCRATES: No other.~STRANGER:
393 State|           therefore not political?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Exactly.~STRANGER:
394 State|            of the righteous judge.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Very good.~STRANGER:
395 State|     appointment of the legislator?~YOUNG SOCRATES: No; his office
396 State|      ministers to the royal power?~YOUNG SOCRATES: True.~STRANGER:
397 State|         should execute his orders.~YOUNG SOCRATES: True.~STRANGER:
398 State|          to their several actions.~YOUNG SOCRATES: I agree.~STRANGER:
399 State|        truly we may call politics.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Exactly so.~STRANGER:
400 State|            which weaving supplied?~YOUNG SOCRATES: I greatly wish
401 State|          are woven into one piece.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Clearly.~STRANGER:
402 State|           appears to be necessary.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly the
403 State|         appeal to popular opinion.~YOUNG SOCRATES: I do not understand.~
404 State|            to be a part of virtue?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly I should.~
405 State|            to be a part of virtue?~YOUNG SOCRATES: True.~STRANGER:
406 State|         strange theory about them.~YOUNG SOCRATES: What is it?~STRANGER:
407 State|            a great part of nature.~YOUNG SOCRATES: How singular!~
408 State|           friendly to one another.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes.~STRANGER:
409 State|           kindred in some respect.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Tell me how we
410 State|           in two opposite classes.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Explain; what
411 State|          when others praised them.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly.~STRANGER:
412 State|            which they are praised?~YOUNG SOCRATES: I do not.~STRANGER:
413 State|       which is passing in my mind.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Why not?~STRANGER:
414 State|           is manliness or courage.~YOUNG SOCRATES: How?~STRANGER:
415 State|          we certainly praise them.~YOUNG SOCRATES: True.~STRANGER:
416 State|       quiet strain of action also?~YOUNG SOCRATES: To be sure.~STRANGER:
417 State|         what we said of the other?~YOUNG SOCRATES: How do you mean?~
418 State|          name indicative of order.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Very true.~STRANGER:
419 State|     changed into terms of censure.~YOUNG SOCRATES: How so?~STRANGER:
420 State|           differ from one another.~YOUNG SOCRATES: In what respect?~
421 State|          quarrel arise among them.~YOUNG SOCRATES: True.~STRANGER:
422 State|        disorders the most hateful.~YOUNG SOCRATES: To what do you
423 State|      unwarlike, and bring up their young men to be like themselves;
424 State|       freemen into that of slaves.~YOUNG SOCRATES: What a cruel fate!~
425 State|            subject it to its foes?~YOUNG SOCRATES: That, again, is
426 State|    antagonism towards one another?~YOUNG SOCRATES: We cannot deny
427 State|         who are endowed with them?~YOUNG SOCRATES: True.~STRANGER:
428 State|          consider a further point.~YOUNG SOCRATES: What is it?~STRANGER:
429 State|           out some nature or idea?~YOUNG SOCRATES: To, be sure.~STRANGER:
430 State|      necessary for making the web.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Quite true.~STRANGER:
431 State|         the greatest of disgraces.~YOUNG SOCRATES: That is commonly
432 State|         under the yoke of slavery.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Quite right.~STRANGER:
433 State|           in the following manner:~YOUNG SOCRATES: In what manner?~
434 State|       binds that with human cords.~YOUNG SOCRATES: I do not understand
435 State|          nature of heavenly birth.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes; what else
436 State|          were just now describing.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Likely enough.~
437 State|            of the present enquiry.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Very right.~STRANGER:
438 State|       brutality. Is not that true?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly.~STRANGER:
439 State|     ignominious name of silliness.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Quite true.~STRANGER:
440 State|            to join such materials?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Impossible.~STRANGER:
441 State|          was saying, the divinest?~YOUNG SOCRATES: Very true.~STRANGER:
442 State|       bonds, which are human only.~YOUNG SOCRATES: How is that, and
443 State|           procreation of children.~YOUNG SOCRATES: In what way?~STRANGER:
444 State|         even of a serious censure.~YOUNG SOCRATES: There is no need
445 State|           to indicate their error.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Quite true.~STRANGER:
446 State|            by feelings of dislike.~YOUNG SOCRATES: How so?~STRANGER:
447 State|            precisely the opposite.~YOUNG SOCRATES: How and why is
448 State|            into downright madness.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Like enough.~STRANGER:
449 State|     utterly paralyzed and useless.~YOUNG SOCRATES: That, again, is
450 State|         them the offices of State.~YOUNG SOCRATES: How do you mean?~
451 State|            in thoroughness and go.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly, that
452 State|            public or private life.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly they
453 State|            secure their happiness.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Your picture,