Dialogue

  1 Intro|        example we will select the art of weaving, which will have
  2 Intro|        and sciences, to which the art of discourse must conform?
  3 Intro|         householder, practise one art or many? As the adviser
  4 Intro|           but a herdsman, and his art may be called either the
  5 Intro|          may be called either the art of managing a herd, or the
  6 Intro|           managing a herd, or the art of collective management:—
  7 Intro|          subdivide the herdsman’s art? ‘I should say, that there
  8 Intro|         let us begin again at the art of managing herds. You have
  9 Intro|       narrow a designation to the art which was concerned with
 10 Intro|           may subdivide the human art of governing into the government
 11 Intro|      clothes, and are made by the art of clothing, from which
 12 Intro|          clothing, from which the art of weaving differs only
 13 Intro|           I mean carding. And the art of carding, and the whole
 14 Intro|         of carding, and the whole art of the fuller and the mender,
 15 Intro|           clothes, as well as the art of weaving. Again, there
 16 Intro|          we say that the weaver’s art is the greatest and noblest
 17 Intro|     chiefly with that part of the art of wool-working which composes,
 18 Intro|          woollen garment. And the art which presides over these
 19 Intro|           these operations is the art of weaving.~But why did
 20 Intro|          once that weaving is the art of entwining the warp and
 21 Intro|         would be no beauty and no art, whether the art of the
 22 Intro|           and no art, whether the art of the statesman or the
 23 Intro|           of the statesman or the art of weaving or any other;
 24 Intro|            We may now divide this art of measurement into two
 25 Intro|     accomplished men say that the art of measurement has to do
 26 Intro|     example of weaving. The royal art has been separated from
 27 Intro|            The royal or political art has nothing to do with either
 28 Intro|         or walls, or (5) with the art of making ornaments, whether
 29 Intro|           already included in the art of tending herds. There
 30 Intro|     according to the rules of his art, and with a view to the
 31 Intro|          rules, but by making his art a law, and, like him, the
 32 Intro|        governor has a strength of art which is superior to the
 33 Intro|          might be extended to any art or science. But what would
 34 Intro|          separated from the royal art; when the separation has
 35 Intro|           not, is higher than the art of persuasion; the science
 36 Intro|           war, is higher than the art of the general. The science
 37 Intro|       their enemies. But the true art of government, first preparing
 38 Intro|     further sketched out, and the art of rhetoric is based on
 39 Intro|          in wool, and compare the art of weaving with the royal
 40 Intro|           painting, medicine, the art of the pilot—all of which
 41 Intro|          doctrine that virtue and art are in a mean, which is
 42 Intro|    standard external to them. The art of measuring or finding
 43 Intro|     particular application to the art of discourse. The excessive
 44 Intro|          opposition pervading all art and nature. But he is satisfied
 45 Intro|      clothes itself in poetry and art, and appeals to reason more
 46 Intro|     obtained. For the dialectical art is no respecter of persons:
 47 Intro|           expression—‘There is no art of feeding mankind worthy
 48 State|        True.~STRANGER: But in the art of carpentering and all
 49 State|          or is there a science or art answering to each of these
 50 State|          only in reference to his art, be truly called ‘royal’?~
 51 State|          remember that we made an art of calculation?~YOUNG SOCRATES:
 52 State|  Certainly.~STRANGER: And to this art of calculation which discerns
 53 State|        shall we assign to him the art of command—for he is a ruler?~
 54 State|           mark of division in the art of command too. I am inclined
 55 State|        shall we mingle the kingly art in the same class with the
 56 State|           the same class with the art of the herald, the interpreter,
 57 State|      STRANGER: Shall we call this art of tending many animals
 58 State|        many animals together, the art of managing a herd, or the
 59 State|           managing a herd, or the art of collective management?~
 60 State|          a person, by showing the art of herding to be of two
 61 State|     remember how that part of the art of knowledge which was concerned
 62 State|      these two contains the royal art, for it is evident to everybody.~
 63 State|          Certainly.~STRANGER: The art of managing the walking
 64 State|        have been divided, and the art of the management of mankind
 65 State|           name of the Statesman’s art.~YOUNG SOCRATES: By all
 66 State|    division of the latter was the art of managing pedestrian animals
 67 State|        further subdivision is the art of man-herding,—this has
 68 State|        argument defined to be the art of rearing, not horses or
 69 State|          or other brutes, but the art of rearing man collectively?~
 70 State| collectively, which we called the art of rearing a herd?~YOUNG
 71 State|          As before we divided the art of ‘rearing’ herds accordingly
 72 State|           that there was no human art of feeding them which was
 73 State|         right to share in such an art than any king.~YOUNG SOCRATES:
 74 State|            STRANGER: But no other art or science will have a prior
 75 State|        sure that there is such an art as the art of rearing or
 76 State|       there is such an art as the art of rearing or feeding bipeds,
 77 State|       this the royal or political art, as though there were no
 78 State|           True.~STRANGER: And the art of management which is assigned
 79 State|       that he who has this latter art of management is the true
 80 State|           any painting or work of art: to the duller sort by works
 81 State|           duller sort by works of art.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Very true;
 82 State|           to discover by rules of art what the management of cities
 83 State|           called clothes, and the art which superintends them
 84 State|      nature of the operation, the art of clothing, just as before
 85 State|      clothing, just as before the art of the Statesman was derived
 86 State|           may we not say that the art of weaving, at least that
 87 State|    differs only in name from this art of clothing, in the same
 88 State|          the reflection, that the art of weaving clothes, which
 89 State|   important part is the cobbler’s art.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Precisely.~
 90 State|       separated off the currier’s art, which prepared coverings
 91 State|         in entire pieces, and the art of sheltering, and subtracted
 92 State|            being divisions of the art of joining; and we also
 93 State|         of the great and manifold art of making defences; and
 94 State|        off the whole of the magic art which is concerned with
 95 State|         as would appear, the very art of which we were in search,
 96 State|      which we were in search, the art of protection against winter
 97 State|          the work of the carder’s art; for we cannot say that
 98 State|       person were to say that the art of making the warp and the
 99 State|         warp and the woof was the art of weaving, he would say
100 State|       Shall we say that the whole art of the fuller or of the
101 State|           a division of the great art of adornment, may be all
102 State|         what we call the fuller’s art.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Very good.~
103 State|     woollen garment form a single art, which is one of those universally
104 State|     universally acknowledged,—the art of working in wool.~YOUNG
105 State|          as belonging both to the art of wool-working, and also
106 State|         universal application—the art of composition and the art
107 State|        art of composition and the art of division.~YOUNG SOCRATES:
108 State|        was just now speaking; the art of discernment or division
109 State|          is also a portion of the art of composition, and, dismissing
110 State|      satisfactorily the aforesaid art of weaving.~YOUNG SOCRATES:
111 State|           us call one part of the art the art of twisting threads,
112 State|           one part of the art the art of twisting threads, the
113 State|   twisting threads, the other the art of combining them.~YOUNG
114 State|          called the warp, and the art which regulates these operations
115 State|    regulates these operations the art of spinning the warp.~YOUNG
116 State|          called the woof, and the art which is set over them may
117 State|       over them may be called the art of spinning the woof.~YOUNG
118 State|         For when that part of the art of composition which is
119 State|          woollen garment, and the art which presides over this
120 State|         presides over this is the art of weaving.~YOUNG SOCRATES:
121 State|          once that weaving is the art of entwining warp and woof,
122 State|     defect; with all of these the art of measurement is conversant.~
123 State|            Yes.~STRANGER: And the art of measurement has to be
124 State|          creations; would not the art of the Statesman and the
125 State|       Statesman and the aforesaid art of weaving disappear? For
126 State|           beauty of every work of art is due to this observance
127 State|          clearly is to divide the art of measurement into two
128 State|         to speak wisely, that the art of measurement is universal,
129 State|       come within the province of art do certainly in some sense
130 State|         that two divisions of the art of measurement have been
131 State|         as you say.~STRANGER: The art of the king has been separated
132 State|           a product of the kingly art.~YOUNG SOCRATES: No, indeed.~
133 State|      nothing to do with the royal art of which we are in search.~
134 State|       every sort provides for the art of carpentry and plaiting;
135 State|         plants, and the currier’s art, which strips off the skins
136 State|       assigned to the Statesman’s art.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly
137 State|          class of implements. The art of herding, which has been
138 State|        the servile or ministerial art.~YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes, clearly.~
139 State|        them according to rules of art, if he only does them good
140 State|           only proper test of the art of medicine, or of any other
141 State|         medicine, or of any other art of command.~YOUNG SOCRATES:
142 State|           and simple rule. And no art whatsoever can lay down
143 State|         light of science and true art, would not all such enactments
144 State|     calling it a violation of the art, or a breach of the laws
145 State|        STRANGER: In the political art error is not called disease,
146 State|          rules, but by making his art a law,—preserves the lives
147 State|        and who show a strength of art which is superior to the
148 State|       persuade them to follow the art of medicine or piloting
149 State|           or if we were to see an art of rearing horses, or tending
150 State| regulations, and not according to art, what would be the result?~
151 State|           sphere of action by his art without regard to the laws,
152 State|        acquire a knowledge of any art has been already admitted
153 State|       Then the royal or political art, if there be such an art,
154 State|          art, if there be such an art, will never be attained
155 State|          be, in States? Any other art, built on such a foundation
156 State|           is an ally of the royal art, and persuades men to do
157 State|           And is there any higher art or science, having power
158 State|     science?~STRANGER: And is the art which is able and knows
159 State|      great and terrible the whole art of war is, can we imagine
160 State|           No other.~STRANGER: The art of the general is only ministerial,
161 State|          whether any constructive art will make any, even the
162 State|           be helped? does not all art rather reject the bad as
163 State|         Then the true and natural art of statesmanship will never
164 State|   maintain authority; just as the art of weaving continually gives
165 State|         the statesman, the kingly art blends and weaves together;
166 State|        this is the medicine which art prescribes for them, and