The Apology
     Part
   1 Intro|             a literal truth; much is said which was not said, and
   2 Intro|           much is said which was not said, and is only Plato’s view
   3 Intro|              report of what Socrates said, but an elaborate composition,
   4 Intro|            significant that Plato is said to have been present at
   5 Intro|       defence (Apol.), as he is also said to have been absent at the
   6 Intro|          there is nothing else to be said of them.~The second accusation
   7 Text |          amazed me;—I mean when they said that you should be upon
   8 Text |              asked him: ‘Callias,’ I said, ‘if your two sons were
   9 Text |             any one?’ ‘There is,’ he said. ‘Who is he?’ said I; ‘and
  10 Text |                he said. ‘Who is he?’ said I; ‘and of what country?
  11 Text |           minae.’ Happy is Evenus, I said to myself, if he really
  12 Text |           When I heard the answer, I said to myself, What can the
  13 Text |             wiser than I am; but you said that I was the wisest.’
  14 Text |              considered first. And I said to myself, Go I must to
  15 Text |              all sorts. And there, I said to myself, you will be instantly
  16 Text |            of illustration, as if he said, He, O men, is the wisest,
  17 Text |           the rhetoricians: and as I said at the beginning, I cannot
  18 Text |           any future enquiry.~I have said enough in my defence against
  19 Text |              forsooth, the youth are said to be taught them by Socrates,
  20 Text |               thinking to try me? He said to himself:—I shall see
  21 Text |          indictment as much as if he said that Socrates is guilty
  22 Text |            mothers, of whom they are said to be the sons—what human
  23 Text |          demigods and heroes.~I have said enough in answer to the
  24 Text |           Hector, his goddess mother said to him, that if he avenged
  25 Text |              die himself—‘Fate,’ she said, in these or the like words, ‘
  26 Text |             convinced by Anytus, who said that since I had been prosecuted
  27 Text |              those among you who are said to be superior in wisdom
  28 Text |        stranger coming in would have said of them that the most eminent
  29 Text |             saying now, as in what I said before about the tears and
  30 Text |              now in nothing I either said or did touching the matter
  31 Text |              the true judges who are said to give judgment there,
  32 Text |              be immortal, if what is said is true.~Wherefore, O judges,


Charmides
     Part
  33 PreS |             nephews of Dion, who are said to ‘have been well inclined
  34 PreS |            the Theaetetus; and it is said to be expressed under a
  35 PreS |            to the Ideas. It might be said with truth that the conception
  36 PreS |           fixed meaning. I have just said that Plato is to be interpreted
  37 Intro|         element (as Socrates is also said to have identified (Greek)
  38 Intro|           lost sight of. Much may be said about this subject, but
  39 Text |               There was a report, he said, that the engagement was
  40 Text |             the truth.~I suppose, he said, that you were present.~
  41 Text |           the beauties, Socrates, he said, I fancy that you will soon
  42 Text |            off himself.~Who is he, I said; and who is his father?~
  43 Text |             Certainly, I know him, I said, for he was remarkable even
  44 Text |          young man.~You will see, he said, in a moment what progress
  45 Text |             is like. He had scarcely said the word, when Charmides
  46 Text |             Chaerephon called me and said: What do you think of him,
  47 Text |              face?~Most beautiful, I said.~But you would think nothing
  48 Text |           all agreed.~By Heracles, I said, there never was such a
  49 Text |              addition.~What is that? said Critias.~If he has a noble
  50 Text |          like to talk.~That he will, said Critias, and I can tell
  51 Text |            and cousin.~Very well, he said; then I will call him; and
  52 Text |         turning to the attendant, he said, Call Charmides, and tell
  53 Text |             the headache?~Why not, I said; but will he come?~He will
  54 Text |             know.~And what is it? he said.~I replied that it was a
  55 Text |              from your dictation, he said.~With my consent? I said,
  56 Text |             said.~With my consent? I said, or without my consent?~
  57 Text |           your consent, Socrates, he said, laughing.~Very good, I
  58 Text |               laughing.~Very good, I said; and are you quite sure
  59 Text |            for there is a great deal said about you among my companions;
  60 Text |              that you remember me, I said; for I shall now be more
  61 Text |            is what they say?~Yes, he said.~And they are right, and
  62 Text |             agree with them?~Yes, he said, certainly I should.~His
  63 Text |         returned. Such, Charmides, I said, is the nature of the charm,
  64 Text |      Thracian king Zamolxis, who are said to be so skilful that they
  65 Text |              the soul; and this,’ he said, ‘is the reason why the
  66 Text |          direction: ‘Let no one,’ he said, ‘persuade you to cure the
  67 Text |             the charm. For this,’ he said, ‘is the great error of
  68 Text |         Critias, when he heard this, said: The headache will be an
  69 Text |           say, is temperance?~Yes, I said.~Then let me tell you that
  70 Text |          none in any quality.~Yes, I said, Charmides; and indeed I
  71 Text |           becoming in youth; he then said very ingenuously, that he
  72 Text |              which I had asked: For, said he, if I affirm that I am
  73 Text |            know how to answer you.~I said to him: That is a natural
  74 Text |             I should like better, he said; and as far as I am concerned
  75 Text |           you think best.~I think, I said, that I had better begin
  76 Text |            Is not that true?~Yes, he said, that I think is true.~You
  77 Text |              your native language, I said, and therefore you must
  78 Text |            about this.~Certainly, he said.~In order, then, that I
  79 Text |            in you or not, tell me, I said, what, in your opinion,
  80 Text |         unwilling to answer: then he said that he thought temperance
  81 Text |           that nature. In a word, he said, I should answer that, in
  82 Text |              you right, Charmides? I said. No doubt some would affirm
  83 Text |             That is evident.~Then, I said, in all bodily actions,
  84 Text |       temperance is a good?~True, he said.~And which, I said, is better—
  85 Text |          True, he said.~And which, I said, is better—facility in learning,
  86 Text |           learning?~Facility.~Yes, I said; and facility in learning
  87 Text |           best to understand what is said, whether at the writing-master’
  88 Text |              quickly?~Quite true, he said.~And in all that concerns
  89 Text |            as the quiet.~I think, he said, Socrates, that you are
  90 Text |              once more, Charmides, I said, fix your attention, and
  91 Text |            manly effort to think, he said: My opinion is, Socrates,
  92 Text |             as modesty.~Very good, I said; and did you not admit,
  93 Text |            noble?~Yes, certainly, he said.~And the temperate are also
  94 Text |          That is my opinion.~Well, I said; but surely you would agree
  95 Text |            for a needy man’?~Yes, he said; I agree.~Then I suppose
  96 Text |             heard from some one, who said, ‘That temperance is doing
  97 Text |        affirmed that?~You monster! I said; this is what Critias, or
  98 Text |            you.~Some one else, then, said Critias; for certainly I
  99 Text |           have not.~But what matter, said Charmides, from whom I heard
 100 Text |             for the point is not who said the words, but whether they
 101 Text |            he replied.~To be sure, I said; yet I doubt whether we
 102 Text |          What makes you think so? he said.~Because, I said, he who
 103 Text |              so? he said.~Because, I said, he who uttered them seems
 104 Text |            have meant one thing, and said another. Is the scribe,
 105 Text |             his own?~I think not, he said.~But, I said, a temperate
 106 Text |           think not, he said.~But, I said, a temperate state will
 107 Text |          replied.~Then temperance, I said, will not be doing one’s
 108 Text |            he looked hard at him and said—~Do you imagine, Charmides,
 109 Text |             them?~Why, at his age, I said, most excellent Critias,
 110 Text |        definition.~I entirely agree, said Critias, and accept the
 111 Text |             definition.~Very good, I said; and now let me repeat my
 112 Text |           business only?~Why not? he said.~No objection on my part,
 113 Text |              objection on my part, I said, but there may be a difficulty
 114 Text |             sense of ‘do’ (Greek).), said he; did I ever acknowledge
 115 Text |              others are temperate? I said, those who make, not those
 116 Text |            describing, he would have said that there was no disgrace
 117 Text |           his own work.~O Critias, I said, no sooner had you opened
 118 Text |              is temperance?~I do, he said.~Then not he who does evil,
 119 Text |          good, is temperate?~Yes, he said; and you, friend, would
 120 Text |    temperance?~I do not think so, he said.~And yet were you not saying,
 121 Text |               I suppose not.~Then, I said, he may sometimes do good
 122 Text |               But that, Socrates, he said, is impossible; and therefore
 123 Text |            is self-knowledge.~Yes, I said, Critias; but you come to
 124 Text |              to reflect.~Reflect, he said.~I am reflecting, I replied,
 125 Text |        science of something.~Yes, he said; the science of itself.~
 126 Text |           itself.~Is not medicine, I said, the science of health?~
 127 Text |         health?~True.~And suppose, I said, that I were asked by you
 128 Text |            the enquiry, Socrates, he said; for wisdom is not like
 129 Text |          were alike. For tell me, he said, what result is there of
 130 Text |              cannot.~That is true, I said; but still each of these
 131 Text |            Is not that true?~Yes, he said.~And the odd and even numbers
 132 Text |              old error, Socrates, he said. You come asking in what
 133 Text |              certainly, Socrates, he said.~Then, I said, be cheerful,
 134 Text |           Socrates, he said.~Then, I said, be cheerful, sweet sir,
 135 Text |            you say.~Tell me, then, I said, what you mean to affirm
 136 Text |            the science of science, I said, will also be the science
 137 Text |            of science.~Very true, he said.~Then the wise or temperate
 138 Text |             is your meaning?~Yes, he said.~Now then, I said, making
 139 Text |            Yes, he said.~Now then, I said, making an offering of the
 140 Text |              we have to consider, he said.~And here, Critias, I said,
 141 Text |           said.~And here, Critias, I said, I hope that you will find
 142 Text |             of fear?~I never did, he said.~Or of an opinion which
 143 Text |           itself?~That, Socrates, he said, is the inevitable inference.~
 144 Text |            argument might proceed, I said to him, Well then Critias,
 145 Text |            saying?~Yes, Socrates, he said; and that I think is certainly
 146 Text |           himself.~I do not doubt, I said, that a man will know himself,
 147 Text |             the same.~Very likely, I said; but I remain as stupid
 148 Text |           self.~What do you mean? he said.~This is what I mean, I
 149 Text |            else.~That is evident, he said.~But then what profit, Critias,
 150 Text |              what profit, Critias, I said, is there any longer in
 151 Text |         unknown to us?~Very true, he said.~And now you perceive, I
 152 Text |              And now you perceive, I said, that no such science is
 153 Text |             anywhere.~I perceive, he said.~May we assume then, I said,
 154 Text |          said.~May we assume then, I said, that wisdom, viewed in
 155 Text |              That is very likely, he said.~That is very likely, I
 156 Text |               That is very likely, I said; and very likely, too, we
 157 Text |            great benefit.~How so? he said.~Why, I said, we were far
 158 Text |              How so? he said.~Why, I said, we were far too ready to
 159 Text |               By the dog of Egypt, I said, there I agree with you;
 160 Text |              as much just now when I said that strange consequences
 161 Text |             us.~What do you mean? he said; I wish that you could make
 162 Text |          unexamined.~I like that, he said.~Hear, then, I said, my
 163 Text |               he said.~Hear, then, I said, my own dream; whether coming
 164 Text |            what is this knowledge? I said. Just answer me that small
 165 Text |          sort?~No, I do not.~Then, I said, we are giving up the doctrine
 166 Text |           are others as well.~Yes, I said, some one who knows the
 167 Text |              is nearer the truth, he said.~And that knowledge which
 168 Text |           which is nearest of all, I said, is the knowledge of what?~
 169 Text |            good and evil.~Monster! I said; you have been carrying
 170 Text |           will wisdom give health? I said; is not this rather the
 171 Text |       science, although the argument said No, and protested against
 172 Text |            so much to be lamented, I said. But for your sake, Charmides,
 173 Text |       happier you will be.~Charmides said: I am sure that I do not
 174 Text |        enough.~Very good, Charmides, said Critias; if you do this
 175 Text |     following and not deserting him, said Charmides: if you who are
 176 Text |             And I do command you, he said.~Then I will do as you say,
 177 Text |           this very day.~You sirs, I said, what are you conspiring
 178 Text |               We are not conspiring, said Charmides, we have conspired
 179 Text |          consideration has passed, I said, when violence is employed;
 180 Text |           not you resist me then, he said.~I will not resist you,


Cratylus
     Part
 181 Intro|            hastily taken up, but are said to be the result of mature
 182 Intro|             the ideas, he would have said, as he says of the names
 183 Intro|             Granting all that can be said about the provoking irony
 184 Intro|        intended. And the same may be said of a king and the son of
 185 Intro|           daimones—good men are well said to become daimones when
 186 Intro|         contriver of speeches. ‘Well said Cratylus, then, that I am
 187 Intro|           proposed to me. Justice is said to be o kaion, or the sun;
 188 Intro|             them. Or, as others have said: Man is man because he has
 189 Intro|           was probably the first who said that ‘language is imitative
 190 Intro|           language might in truth be said to be a figure of speech.
 191 Intro|             language: such a view is said to be unproven: it had better
 192 Intro|             the process of change is said to be insensible: sounds,
 193 Intro|          least to unlearn. It may be said that the explanations here
 194 Intro|            of sound; we may be truly said to know what we can manufacture.
 195 Intro|            to one another and may be said to derive their vocal effect
 196 Intro|            modified by what has been said before and after in the
 197 Intro|          with one another. It may be said to have thrown a light upon
 198 Text |              Socrates, that you have said the truth.~SOCRATES: Does
 199 Text |           birth. And the same may be said of trees and other things.
 200 Text |              And may not the same be said of a king? a king will often
 201 Text |             meaning. As was just now said, the names of Hector and
 202 Text |             terrible misfortunes are said to have happened to him
 203 Text |              own day would by him be said to be of golden race?~HERMOGENES:
 204 Text |               Socrates, that we have said enough of this class of
 205 Text |            times we too seem to have said esia for ousia, and this
 206 Text |           about Hermes, of whom I am said not to be a true son. Let
 207 Text |      aeitheer; this may be correctly said, because this element is
 208 Text |            after hearing what he has said, to interrogate him gently: ‘
 209 Text |            blaberon is that which is said to hinder or harm (blaptein)
 210 Text |           you know that the ancients said duogon and not zugon?~HERMOGENES:
 211 Text |            ion), and the same may be said of not being, which is likewise
 212 Text |           anything else which may be said to have an essence?~HERMOGENES:
 213 Text |              by way of preface, as I said before of the Gods, that
 214 Text |      falsehood may be spoken but not said?~CRATYLUS: Neither spoken
 215 Text |         CRATYLUS: Neither spoken nor said.~SOCRATES: Nor uttered nor
 216 Text |         these words, whether spoken, said, uttered, or addressed,
 217 Text |             and much the same may be said of amathia and akolasia,
 218 Text |          This is a point which, as I said before, cannot be determined


Critias
     Part
 219 Text |            if unintentionally I have said anything wrong, I pray that
 220 Text |           trust, and as you at first said that you were going to speak
 221 Text |          will follow me. All that is said by any of us can only be
 222 Text |            recite enough of what was said by the priests and brought
 223 Text |              since the war which was said to have taken place between
 224 Text |         survivors, as I have already said, they were men who dwelt
 225 Text |           This I infer because Solon said that the priests in their
 226 Text |         country the Egyptian priests said what is not only probable
 227 Text |           there was a plain which is said to have been the fairest
 228 Text |            also, as has been already said, they held sway in our direction
 229 Text |          land. The whole country was said by him to be very lofty


Crito
     Part
 230 Text |        raiment, who called to me and said: O Socrates,~‘The third
 231 Text |               SOCRATES: And what was said about another matter? Is
 232 Text |           the truth of what was then said, that injustice is always


Euthydemus
     Part
 233 Intro|         learn.’ ‘And do they learn,’ said Euthydemus, ‘what they know
 234 Intro|            ready to answer what they said a year ago, but is ‘non-plussed’
 235 Intro|             to others and of what is said to them, and never at a
 236 Text |              a long time; and then I said to Cleinias: Here are two
 237 Text |         laughed; and then Euthydemus said: Those, Socrates, are matters
 238 Text |     secondary occupations.~Indeed, I said, if such occupations are
 239 Text |              than any man.~My God! I said, and where did you learn
 240 Text |             But I can promise you, I said, that every unvirtuous person
 241 Text |           here are several others, I said, pointing to the lovers
 242 Text |          power of his wisdom. Then I said: O Euthydemus and Dionysodorus,
 243 Text |             it?~Certainly, Socrates, said Dionysodorus; our art will
 244 Text |             brother, Dionysodorus, I said, of all men who are now
 245 Text |            that he was disconcerted, said: Take courage, Cleinias,
 246 Text |     questions.~Whichever he answers, said Dionysodorus, leaning forward
 247 Text |            you were learning?~No, he said.~And were you wise then?~
 248 Text |            wise then?~No, indeed, he said.~But if you were not wise
 249 Text |       cleverly took him in hand, and said: Yes, Cleinias; and when
 250 Text |             expert dancer. Do those, said he, who learn, learn what
 251 Text |           same sort.~Good heavens, I said; and your last question
 252 Text |      inevitable.~I see the reason, I said, why you are in such reputation
 253 Text |           was admitted by him.~Then, said the other, you do not learn
 254 Text |            know letters learns?~Nay, said Cleinias; but I do learn.~
 255 Text |      Cleinias; but I do learn.~Then, said he, you learn what you know,
 256 Text |              admitted that.~Then, he said, you were wrong in your
 257 Text |              the youth. Cleinias, he said, Euthydemus is deceiving
 258 Text |           agreed.~Then, Cleinias, he said, those who do not know learn,
 259 Text |            should be disheartened, I said to him consolingly: You
 260 Text |          happiness?~There is no one, said Cleinias, who does not.~
 261 Text |              does not.~Well, then, I said, since we all of us desire
 262 Text |             is a good.~Certainly, he said.~And are not health and
 263 Text |             other goods are there? I said. What do you say of temperance,
 264 Text |             you say?~They are goods, said Cleinias.~Very well, I said;
 265 Text |          said Cleinias.~Very well, I said; and where in the company
 266 Text |          Among the goods.~And now, I said, think whether we have left
 267 Text |              not think that we have, said Cleinias.~Upon recollection,
 268 Text |       Cleinias.~Upon recollection, I said, indeed I am afraid that
 269 Text |          greatest of goods.~True, he said.~On second thoughts, I added,
 270 Text |            observing his surprise, I said to him: Do you not know,
 271 Text |             A wise one.~You think, I said, that to act with a wise
 272 Text |            question. You remember, I said, our making the admission
 273 Text |              If they profited us, he said.~And would they profit us,
 274 Text |          profited?~Certainly not, he said.~Or would an artisan, who
 275 Text |            worked?~Certainly not, he said.~And if a person had wealth
 276 Text |            indeed, Socrates.~Then, I said, a man who would be happy
 277 Text |       rightly.~That is quite true, I said. And the wrong use of a
 278 Text |          carpenter?~Nothing else, he said.~And surely, in the manufacture
 279 Text |             assented.~And tell me, I said, O tell me, what do possessions
 280 Text |             miserable?~Certainly, he said.~And who would do least—
 281 Text |      mutually allowed by us.~Then, I said, Cleinias, the sum of the
 282 Text |              result of what has been said? Is not this the result—
 283 Text |          consider a further point, I said: Seeing that all men desire
 284 Text |              wise as he can?~Yes, he said.~And when a man thinks that
 285 Text |              wisdom. Do you agree? I said.~Yes, he said, I quite agree,
 286 Text |           you agree? I said.~Yes, he said, I quite agree, and think
 287 Text |           that you are right.~Yes, I said, Cleinias, if only wisdom
 288 Text |             wisdom can be taught, he said.~Best of men, I said, I
 289 Text |              he said.~Best of men, I said, I am delighted to hear
 290 Text |              Certainly, Socrates, he said; I will do my best.~I was
 291 Text |      Dionysodorus and Euthydemus and said: That is an example, clumsy
 292 Text |   exhortation to virtue.~Tell me, he said, Socrates and the rest of
 293 Text |       profound earnest. Dionysodorus said:~Reflect, Socrates; you
 294 Text |           words.~I have reflected, I said; and I shall never deny
 295 Text |           never deny my words.~Well, said he, and so you say that
 296 Text |              he is.~You wish him, he said, to become wise and not,
 297 Text |              a lover well might) and said: Stranger of Thurii—if politeness
 298 Text |         possible to tell a lie?~Yes, said Ctesippus; I should be mad
 299 Text |            tells, and no other?~Yes, said Ctesippus.~And that is a
 300 Text |             no lie.~Yes, Euthydemus, said Ctesippus; but in saying
 301 Text |             is nowhere?~I think not, said Ctesippus.~Well, but do
 302 Text |        assembly, do nothing?~Nay, he said, they do something.~And
 303 Text |            what is.~Yes, Euthydemus, said Ctesippus; but he speaks
 304 Text |          really are.~Why, Ctesippus, said Dionysodorus, do you mean
 305 Text |          things as they are?~Yes, he said—all gentlemen and truth-speaking
 306 Text |            they are?~Yes, indeed, he said; and they speak evil of
 307 Text |            warm?~To be sure they do, said Ctesippus; and they speak
 308 Text |              are abusive, Ctesippus, said Dionysodorus, you are abusive!~
 309 Text |             made a joke with him and said: O Ctesippus, I think that
 310 Text |           know this—at any rate they said just now that this was the
 311 Text |              make me good.~Ctesippus said: And I, Socrates, am ready
 312 Text |     different things.~Contradiction! said Dionysodorus; why, there
 313 Text |           will never prove to me, he said, that you have heard any
 314 Text |  contradicting any one else.~Indeed, said Ctesippus; then now you
 315 Text |             that good?~Certainly, he said.~Well, have not all things
 316 Text |              what does that signify? said Ctesippus; you and I may
 317 Text |              contradict one another, said Dionysodorus, when both
 318 Text |             and I in my astonishment said: What do you mean, Dionysodorus?
 319 Text |           falsely?~No, he cannot, he said.~Then there is no such thing
 320 Text |             as false opinion?~No, he said.~Then there is no such thing
 321 Text |       mistake of fact?~Certainly, he said.~And that is impossible?~
 322 Text |              ignorant?~Refute me, he said.~But how can I refute you,
 323 Text |            is impossible?~Very true, said Euthydemus.~Neither did
 324 Text |           you just now to refute me, said Dionysodorus; for how can
 325 Text |              is not?~O Euthydemus, I said, I have but a dull conception
 326 Text |               he replied.~And now, I said, I will ask my stupid question:
 327 Text |              you bring up now what I said at first—and if I had said
 328 Text |           said at first—and if I had said anything last year, I suppose
 329 Text |            have just uttered?~Why, I said, they are not easy to answer;
 330 Text |          before you, Dionysodorus? I said.~Answer, said he.~And is
 331 Text |        Dionysodorus? I said.~Answer, said he.~And is that fair?~Yes,
 332 Text |            fair?~Yes, quite fair, he said.~Upon what principle? I
 333 Text |               Upon what principle? I said. I can only suppose that
 334 Text |             ought not.~You prate, he said, instead of answering. But
 335 Text |          more than of old.~Ctesippus said: Men of Chios, Thurii, or
 336 Text |             to soothe Ctesippus, and said to him: To you, Ctesippus,
 337 Text |      Ctesippus, I must repeat what I said before to Cleinias—that
 338 Text |            serious. You, Cleinias, I said, shall remind me at what
 339 Text |    acquisition of knowledge?~Yes, he said.~And what knowledge ought
 340 Text |            do us good?~Certainly, he said.~And should we be any the
 341 Text |         earth?~Perhaps we should, he said.~But have we not already
 342 Text |             we not already proved, I said, that we should be none
 343 Text |               Do you not remember? I said.~I quite remember, he said.~
 344 Text |           said.~I quite remember, he said.~Nor would any other knowledge,
 345 Text |         agreed.~Then, my dear boy, I said, the knowledge which we
 346 Text |              well as makes?~True, he said.~And our desire is not to
 347 Text |             assented.~But suppose, I said, that we were to learn the
 348 Text |            art of using them.~Yes, I said; and I take your words to
 349 Text |           you agree with me?~Yes, he said, I think that you are quite
 350 Text |          Whither then shall we go, I said, and to what art shall we
 351 Text |              I do not see my way, he said.~But I think that I do,
 352 Text |         happy.~I do not think so, he said.~Why not? I said.~The art
 353 Text |              so, he said.~Why not? I said.~The art of the general
 354 Text |             mankind.~What of that? I said.~Why, he said, no art of
 355 Text |             of that? I said.~Why, he said, no art of hunting extends
 356 Text |           any sense in them.~Good, I said, fairest and wisest Cleinias.
 357 Text |             this true?~Certainly, he said; just as a general when
 358 Text |         Socrates, that the youngster said all this?~SOCRATES: Are
 359 Text |             our Castor and Pollux, I said, and they should be serious,
 360 Text |          Would you rather, Socrates, said he, that I should show you
 361 Text |             already have it?~What, I said, are you blessed with such
 362 Text |              learn.~Then tell me, he said, do you know anything?~Yes,
 363 Text |            you know anything?~Yes, I said, I know many things, but
 364 Text |         importance.~That will do, he said: And would you admit that
 365 Text |             things?~Certainly not, I said, for there are many other
 366 Text |             are not knowing, and you said just now that you were knowing;
 367 Text |      Socrates, you are convicted, he said.~Well, but, Euthydemus,
 368 Text |             Well, but, Euthydemus, I said, has that never happened
 369 Text |             Certainly not, Socrates, said Dionysodorus.~What do you
 370 Text |    Dionysodorus.~What do you mean, I said; do you know nothing?~Nay,
 371 Text |              know something.~Then, I said, you know all things, if
 372 Text |        anything?~Yes, all things, he said; and that is as true of
 373 Text |           you as of us.~O, indeed, I said, what a wonderful thing,
 374 Text |             what is the inference? I said.~They all know all things,
 375 Text |             heavens, Dionysodorus, I said, I see now that you are
 376 Text |       leather-cutting?~Certainly, he said.~And do you know stitching?~
 377 Text |             say No to that?~By Zeus, said Ctesippus, interrupting,
 378 Text |           proof shall I give you? he said.~Will you tell me how many
 379 Text |           all things?~Certainly not, said Ctesippus: you must further
 380 Text |               He can do anything, he said.~And did you always know
 381 Text |         always know this?~Always, he said.~When you were children,
 382 Text |             at your birth?~They both said that they did.~This we could
 383 Text |              believe. And Euthydemus said: You are incredulous, Socrates.~
 384 Text |        incredulous, Socrates.~Yes, I said, and I might well be incredulous,
 385 Text |           But if you will answer, he said, I will make you confess
 386 Text |             similar marvels.~Well, I said, there is nothing that I
 387 Text |          gain to me.~Answer then, he said.~Ask, I said, and I will
 388 Text |         Answer then, he said.~Ask, I said, and I will answer.~Do you
 389 Text |             or nothing?~Something, I said.~And do you know with what
 390 Text |           you are asked one?~Well, I said; but then what am I to do?
 391 Text |             notion of my meaning, he said.~Yes, I replied.~Well, then,
 392 Text |         notion of my meaning.~Yes, I said; but if the question which
 393 Text |           unless I understand you, I said.~You will not answer, he
 394 Text |              You will not answer, he said, according to your view
 395 Text |              refuse to take me. So I said: You are a far better dialectician
 396 Text |              answer.~Answer then, he said, again, whether you know
 397 Text |              or with nothing.~Yes, I said; I know with my soul.~The
 398 Text |            for I did not ask you, he said, with what you know, but
 399 Text |            There again, Socrates, he said, the addition is superfluous.~
 400 Text |           superfluous.~Well, then, I said, I will take away the words ‘
 401 Text |              impossible.~And now, he said, you may add on whatever
 402 Text |              suppose that is true, I said, if my qualification implied
 403 Text |               reverend Euthydemus, I said, if you are really speaking
 404 Text |            not unjust.~Quite true, I said; and that I have always
 405 Text |            good are unjust?~Nowhere, said Dionysodorus.~Then, I said,
 406 Text |           said Dionysodorus.~Then, I said, I do not know this.~You
 407 Text |            are ruining the argument, said Euthydemus to Dionysodorus;
 408 Text |             turned to the other, and said, What do you think, Euthydemus?
 409 Text |              Euthydemus?~Thereupon I said, Please not to interrupt,
 410 Text |              running away, Socrates, said Dionysodorus, and refusing
 411 Text |              to answer.~No wonder, I said, for I am not a match for
 412 Text |             yourself of this strain, said Dionysodorus, will you inform
 413 Text |          answer you, Dionysodorus, I said, for you will insist on
 414 Text |       Euthydemus.~Then answer me, he said.~Well then, I said, I can
 415 Text |            me, he said.~Well then, I said, I can only reply that Iolaus
 416 Text |       Heracles.~And is Patrocles, he said, your brother?~Yes, I said,
 417 Text |           said, your brother?~Yes, I said, he is my half-brother,
 418 Text |          same father, my good man, I said, for Chaeredemus was his
 419 Text |             Chaeredemus also?~Yes, I said; the former was my father,
 420 Text |             the latter his.~Then, he said, Chaeredemus is not a father.~
 421 Text |               He is not my father, I said.~But can a father be other
 422 Text |           think that I am a stone, I said, though I am afraid that
 423 Text |               And so Chaeredemus, he said, being other than a father,
 424 Text |           father, I replied.~For if, said Euthydemus, taking up the
 425 Text |              taking up the argument, said: And is not your father
 426 Text |            my father?~Assuredly not, said Euthydemus.~Then he is the
 427 Text |         Certainly, I did so imagine, said Ctesippus.~And do you suppose
 428 Text |           pari materia,’ Euthydemus, said Ctesippus, and you had better
 429 Text |          replied.~What, of men only, said Ctesippus, or of horses
 430 Text |            other animals?~Of all, he said.~And your mother, too, is
 431 Text |             then?~Yes; and yours, he said.~And gudgeons and puppies
 432 Text |             dog?~And so is yours, he said.~If you will answer my questions,
 433 Text |            will answer my questions, said Dionysodorus, I will soon
 434 Text |             Yes, a villain of a one, said Ctesippus.~And he has puppies?~
 435 Text |              father of them?~Yes, he said, I certainly saw him and
 436 Text |            one little question more, said Dionysodorus, quickly interposing,
 437 Text |             beat this dog?~Ctesippus said, laughing, Indeed I do;
 438 Text |             you beat your father, he said.~I should have far more
 439 Text |           more reason to beat yours, said Ctesippus; what could he
 440 Text |              no need, Euthydemus? he said.~Neither I nor any other
 441 Text |              much for him?~Ctesippus said: Quite so, Euthydemus, that
 442 Text |              as possible?~Very true, said Ctesippus; and do you think,
 443 Text |              answer of Ctesippus and said:—~Do you not think that
 444 Text |           gold is a good thing?~Yes, said Ctesippus, and the more
 445 Text |          Certainly, a great good, he said.~And you admit gold to be
 446 Text |         either eye?~Yes, Euthydemus, said Ctesippus; and the Scythians
 447 Text |               or that which has not? said Euthydemus.~That which has
 448 Text |            the quality of vision? he said. (Note: the ambiguity of (
 449 Text |          They can see to any extent, said Ctesippus.~What can they
 450 Text |              silence of the speaker? said Dionysodorus.~Impossible,
 451 Text |            Dionysodorus.~Impossible, said Ctesippus.~Or a speaking
 452 Text |            still more impossible, he said.~But when you speak of stones,
 453 Text |       present).~When you are silent, said Euthydemus, is there not
 454 Text |       silence of all things?~Yes, he said.~But if speaking things
 455 Text |           speaking are silent.~What, said Ctesippus; then all things
 456 Text |           not silent?~Certainly not, said Euthydemus.~Then, my good
 457 Text |              those which speak.~Nay, said Ctesippus, but the question
 458 Text |             speak?~Neither and both, said Dionysodorus, quickly interposing;
 459 Text |          into a roar of laughter; he said, That brother of yours,
 460 Text |            do you laugh, Cleinias, I said, at such solemn and beautiful
 461 Text |     beautiful things?~Why, Socrates, said Dionysodorus, did you ever
 462 Text |            opened my mouth at all: I said however, They are not the
 463 Text |               I replied.~But how, he said, by reason of one thing
 464 Text |              that your difficulty? I said. For I was beginning to
 465 Text |            you mean, Dionysodorus? I said. Is not the honourable honourable
 466 Text |              the base base?~That, he said, is as I please.~And do
 467 Text |           And do you please?~Yes, he said.~And you will admit that
 468 Text |              excellently well.~What, said he, is the business of a
 469 Text |          boil and roast?~The cook, I said.~And if a man does his business
 470 Text |          their business.~Poseidon, I said, this is the crown of wisdom;
 471 Text |        become your own?~Certainly, I said, if you will allow me.~What,
 472 Text |              will allow me.~What, he said, do you think that you know
 473 Text |              would deem your own, he said, that which you have in
 474 Text |            in your own power?~Yes, I said (for I was certain that
 475 Text |        things only are mine.~Yes, he said, and you would mean by animals
 476 Text |        animals living beings?~Yes, I said.~You agree then, that those
 477 Text | contemplation of something great, he said: Tell me, Socrates, have
 478 Text |              that he may get away, I said: No, Dionysodorus, I have
 479 Text |             man you must be then, he said; you are not an Athenian
 480 Text |      gentility.~Nay, Dionysodorus, I said, do not be rough; good words,
 481 Text |              not other Athenians, he said, an ancestral Zeus?~That
 482 Text |         ancestral Zeus?~That name, I said, is not to be found among
 483 Text |            unknown to us.~No matter, said Dionysodorus, for you admit
 484 Text |             and Athene.~Certainly, I said.~And they are your gods,
 485 Text |           And they are your gods, he said.~Yes, I said, my lords and
 486 Text |           your gods, he said.~Yes, I said, my lords and ancestors.~
 487 Text |              rate they are yours, he said, did you not admit that?~
 488 Text |             not admit that?~I did, I said; what is going to happen
 489 Text |              life?~They have life, I said.~Then are they not animals?~
 490 Text |         animals?~They are animals, I said.~And you admitted that of
 491 Text |            way of escape.~Well then, said he, if you admit that Zeus
 492 Text |               Heracles, brave words, said he.~Bravo Heracles, or is
 493 Text |              or is Heracles a Bravo? said Dionysodorus.~Poseidon,
 494 Text |              Dionysodorus.~Poseidon, said Ctesippus, what awful distinctions.
 495 Text |       marvellous dexterity of wit, I said, enabled you to acquire
 496 Text |          repeat one thing which they said, for your especial benefit,—
 497 Text |            may as well hear what was said to me by a man of very considerable
 498 Text |        walking up and down. ‘Crito,’ said he to me, ‘are you giving
 499 Text |           wise men?’ ‘No, indeed,’ I said to him; ‘I could not get
 500 Text |             had.’ ‘What was that?’ I said. ‘You would have heard the