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(...) Euthydemus
Part
501 Text | did you think of them?’ I said. ‘What did I think of them?’
502 Text | did I think of them?’ he said:—‘theirs was the sort of
503 Text | which he used. ‘Surely,’ I said, ‘philosophy is a charming
504 Text | charming thing.’ ‘Charming!’ he said; ‘what simplicity! philosophy
Euthyphro
Part
505 Intro| are angry:’ which may be said to be the rule of popular
506 Text | piety and impiety, which you said that you knew so well, and
507 Text | murder.~EUTHYPHRO: And what I said was true, Socrates.~SOCRATES:
508 Text | one another. Was not that said?~EUTHYPHRO: It was.~SOCRATES:
509 Text | was.~SOCRATES: And well said?~EUTHYPHRO: Yes, Socrates,
510 Text | thought so; it was certainly said.~SOCRATES: And further,
511 Text | EUTHYPHRO: Yes, that was also said.~SOCRATES: And what sort
512 Text | while you were speaking; I said to myself: ‘Well, and what
513 Text | For instance, horses are said to require attention, and
The First Alcibiades
Part
514 Pre | generation Aristotle, are all said to have composed dialogues;
515 Pre | On the whole, more may be said in favour of the genuineness
516 Text | some God came to you and said: Alcibiades, will you live
517 Text | offering advice to another and said to him—This food is better
518 Text | in this quantity, and he said to you—What do you mean,
519 Text | SOCRATES: But just before you said that you did not know them
520 Text | learn.~SOCRATES: So you said before, and I must again
521 Text | SOCRATES: But can they be said to understand that about
522 Text | did not know? Was not that said?~ALCIBIADES: Very true.~
523 Text | you yourself, and what you said was very true. For indeed,
524 Text | if I am not mistaken, we said that those who acted justly
525 Text | Socrates; and Pericles is said not to have got his wisdom
526 Text | tedious; and what I have said is a sufficient sample of
527 Text | sample of what remains to be said. I have only to remark,
528 Text | Messenian pastures. But I have said enough of this: and as to
529 Text | the fable of Aesop the fox said to the lion, ‘The prints
530 Text | SOCRATES: What I meant, when I said that absolute existence
531 Text | SOCRATES: That is not well said, Alcibiades.~ALCIBIADES:
532 Text | ALCIBIADES: What ought I to have said?~SOCRATES: By the help of
Gorgias
Part
533 Intro| to enter the lists. He is said to be the author of a work
534 Intro| should be taken. This is said to have happened ‘last year’ (
535 Intro| other expert. And he is said to be ignorant, and this
536 Intro| overthrown because, as Polus said, in compliance with popular
537 Intro| do than to suffer. What I said then is now made fast in
538 Intro| seemed to understand what I said at the time, but when I
539 Intro| which is never to have said or done any wrong to himself
540 Intro| regarding him; or as was said of another, ‘they looked
541 Intro| of his time.~It has been said that the most characteristic
542 Intro| spoilt child is in later life said to be unfortunate—he had
543 Intro| and everything has been said on one side, and nothing
544 Intro| own country. He would have said that not Pitt or Fox, or
545 Intro| the philosopher alone is said to have got rid of the body.
546 Intro| that nothing better can be said about a future life. Plato
547 Intro| apparitions credible is said to consist in the manner
548 Text | fault with it, but you never said what the art was.~POLUS:
549 Text | words. And if he further said, ‘Concerned with what?’
550 Text | painter is Zeuxis?’ and you said, ‘The painter of figures,’
551 Text | things first? What is to be said about all this? By heavens,
552 Text | be banished—was not that said?~GORGIAS: Yes, it was.~SOCRATES:
553 Text | outset, Gorgias, it was said that rhetoric treated of
554 Text | and unjust? Was not this said?~GORGIAS: Yes.~SOCRATES:
555 Text | which you had fallen; and I said, that if you thought, as
556 Text | flattery?~SOCRATES: Nay, I said a part of flattery; if at
557 Text | SOCRATES: Polus has already said the reverse.~POLUS: Said
558 Text | said the reverse.~POLUS: Said the reverse! nay, that is
559 Text | Why, have you not already said that they do as they think
560 Text | own interests, he may be said to do what seems best to
561 Text | mean.~POLUS: I mean, as I said before, the power of doing
562 Text | illustrious friend, when I have said my say, do you reply to
563 Text | according to your doctrine, the said Archelaus is miserable?~
564 Text | Exactly so.~SOCRATES: And you said the opposite?~POLUS: Yes.~
565 Text | POLUS: Yes.~SOCRATES: I said also that the wicked are
566 Text | right.~SOCRATES: You further said that the wrong-doer is happy
567 Text | And may not the same be said of the beauty of knowledge?~
568 Text | Socrates.~SOCRATES: Then I said truly, Polus, that neither
569 Text | And was not punishment said by us to be a deliverance
570 Text | suffers.—Was not that what I said?~POLUS: Yes.~SOCRATES: And
571 Text | admit what has been just now said, every man ought in every
572 Text | accused Gorgias:—for he said that when Gorgias was asked
573 Text | many, is conventionally said to be shameful and unjust,
574 Text | to you much what Zethus said to his brother, that you,
575 Text | seemed to imply when you said that great cities attack
576 Text | assertion, when accusing me you said that nature and custom are
577 Text | enough; just what is commonly said, that a man should be temperate
578 Text | want nothing are not truly said to be happy?~CALLICLES:
579 Text | or painful?~CALLICLES: I said painful, but that to eat
580 Text | CALLICLES: It is.~SOCRATES: You said also, that no man could
581 Text | still adhere to what you said?~CALLICLES: Yes, I do; but
582 Text | a bad business, as they said of old, and take what I
583 Text | the truth when I further said to Gorgias and Polus that
584 Text | his hearers? Could he be said to regard even their pleasure?
585 Text | former generation, who may be said to have improved the Athenians,
586 Text | were good men, if, as you said at first, true virtue consists
587 Text | SOCRATES: And the same may be said of the human body?~CALLICLES:
588 Text | I was in earnest when I said that a man ought to accuse
589 Text | things being as we have said, let us proceed in the next
590 Text | ruling power.~CALLICLES: Well said, Socrates; and please to
591 Text | soul; in the one, as we said, we treat them with a view
592 Text | man? Nay, we have surely said so; for if you will not
593 Text | the truth is as I have said already, that in the Athenian
594 Text | altogether pleased if I said to you, My friend, you know
595 Text | defence, and have never said or done anything wrong,
596 Text | Blessed came to Zeus, and said that the souls found their
597 Text | to the wrong places. Zeus said: ‘I shall put a stop to
598 Text | And of all that has been said, nothing remains unshaken
Ion
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599 Intro| inspired. Genius is often said to be unconscious, or spontaneous,
600 Text | a whole, the same may be said of them. Would you like
601 Text | thing is this which I have said—a thing which any man might
602 Text | suspended, and by whom he is said to be possessed, which is
Laches
Part
603 Text | my experience; and, as I said at first, whether this be
604 Text | desirableness of this art; but, as I said at first, ask Socrates,
605 Text | questions: for, as he has well said, we are deliberating about
606 Text | Why, as the Scythians are said to fight, flying as well
607 Text | shields of the Persians, are said not to have been willing
608 Text | That was my meaning when I said that I was to blame in having
609 Text | aroused in me by what has been said; and I am really grieved
610 Text | SOCRATES: And you yourself said that it was a part; and
611 Text | opinion that enough has been said on the subject which we
612 Text | anything has been imperfectly said, that may be hereafter corrected
613 Text | their children; but, as I said at first, they should ask
614 Text | regardless of what may be said of us, make the education
Laws
Book
615 1 | among us Cretans he is said to have been Zeus, but in
616 1 | general term peace would be said by him to be only a name;
617 1 | inferior classes may be truly said to be better than itself,
618 1 | and household are rightly said to be superior when they
619 1 | place and dignity may be said to be only fourth rate.~
620 1 | Athenian. You ought to have said, Stranger—The Cretan laws
621 1 | he who receives what is said in a generous and friendly
622 1 | pleasure; he should have said to himself, that if our
623 1 | banqueters and banquets be said to constitute a kind of
624 1 | and there is much to be said about all this. What would
625 1 | Persian invasion; and he said that for ten years they
626 1 | a child?~Cleinias. Well said, Stranger.~Athenian. Is
627 1 | fear—~Cleinias. Which you said to be characteristic of
628 2 | right in all that you have said and are saying about education.~
629 2 | that I have been saying has said with a view to them.~Cleinias.
630 2 | nature of young creatures: I said that they were unable to
631 2 | termed choric song. And I said that the Gods had pity on
632 2 | familiars, and, as we have often said, to chant, and to enchant?~
633 2 | cities. Such an one, as we said at first, would be a greater
634 2 | may not their works be said to have a charm?~Cleinias.
635 2 | misunderstanding what is said.~Cleinias. To what do you
636 2 | remember, has been already said by us to be the origin of
637 2 | Stranger, is precisely what was said.~Athenian. Then half the
638 2 | of the choral art, may be said to have been completely
639 3 | follow, has been, and will be said, with the intention of explaining
640 3 | And thus far what you have said has been very well said.~
641 3 | said has been very well said.~Athenian. They could hardly
642 3 | these verses, and in what he said of the Cyclopes, he speaks
643 3 | already forgotten what was said a little while ago?~Megillus.
644 3 | arbitrary; and the subjects said that, if the rulers observed
645 3 | you will remember, what I said at first, that a statesman
646 3 | find, I suspect, as I have said already, that not cowardice
647 3 | of harmonies may be truly said to be the greatest wisdom;
648 3 | Theban poet Pindar once said; and the sixth principle,
649 3 | wisely Hesiod spoke when he said that the half is often more
650 3 | wisdom, as I have already said, in judging after the event;
651 3 | might have been done. We said, for instance, just now,
652 3 | which the rest may be truly said to be derived; and one of
653 3 | to praise all that they said or did. This was how they
654 3 | endless evils. But why have I said all this? I ask, because
655 3 | what end has all this been said?~Megillus. Very good.~Athenian.
656 3 | Athenian. This, then, has been said for the sake—~Megillus.
657 3 | all that was previously said about music and drinking,
658 3 | and what preceded, was said with the view of seeing
659 3 | selection from what has been said, and then let us imagine
660 4 | noble sentiments: this was said by us, if you remember,
661 4 | my good friend, what I said at first about the Cretan
662 4 | everything. And this may be said of the arts of the sailor,
663 4 | and may seem to be well said; and yet there is another
664 4 | another thing which may be said with equal truth of all
665 4 | that quality which, as I said before, is the inseparable
666 4 | when isolated, was as we said, hardly worth reckoning
667 4 | character of Nestor, who is said to have excelled all men
668 4 | his lips. And this may be said of power in general: When
669 4 | is held for life, and is said by all mankind, and not
670 4 | have described, there is said to have been in the time
671 4 | And of this the reason is said to have been as follows:—
672 4 | imitate the life which is said to have existed in the days
673 4 | you not?—that there are of said to be as many forms of laws
674 4 | How?~Athenian. Justice is said by them to be the interest
675 4 | principle of might, and we said that Pindar considered violence
676 4 | happy. But of what has to be said, and must be said by the
677 4 | to be said, and must be said by the legislator who is
678 4 | of thinking, and yet, if said in the form of law, would
679 4 | in one thing that he has said than in another. this is
680 4 | enough has been already said; and we may proceed to the
681 5 | himself. And the soul, as we said, is of a truth deemed by
682 5 | thus we who may be truly said to know nothing, think that
683 5 | earnest.~Enough has now been said of divine matters, both
684 5 | pains exceed. And when, as I said before, there is a balance
685 5 | avoided; but even God is said not to be able to fight
686 5 | and therefore, as we have said not once but many times,
687 6 | you in your mind when you said that?~Athenian. I had in
688 6 | Cleinias. I like what you have said, Stranger—and I particularly
689 6 | have omitted; for, as we said, where there are numerous
690 6 | let us remember what was said before—that a man should
691 6 | and much more may be truly said by way of prelude about
692 6 | exact the money, as was said before about the unmarried—
693 6 | them; and this may be truly said of every master, and tyrant,
694 6 | Likely enough.~Athenian. I said that there may have been
695 6 | tables of men are, as I said, a heaven–born and admirable
696 6 | legislator. And therefore, as I said before, in most places they
697 6 | For in those days men are said to have lived a sort of
698 6 | have to precede them. As I said before we shall see them
699 7 | there is a good deal to be said in favour of this treatment.~
700 7 | terrors which beset us, may be said to be an exercise of courage.~
701 7 | not deserve to have much said about them; but the art
702 7 | kind of gymnastic which I said at first ought to be described;
703 7 | must say what has yet to be said about the gifts of the Muses
704 7 | we fancied that we had said all, and that gymnastic
705 7 | all things except, as I said before, of the bad. He who
706 7 | endeavours, for man, as I said before, is made to be the
707 7 | think that what has been said is enough for them, and
708 7 | the present day there are said to be countless myriads
709 7 | compunction for what I have said. Tell me, then, what you
710 7 | wish to say, Cleinias, as I said before, that if the possibility
711 7 | the fact being as I have said, he who rejects the law
712 7 | life which may be truly said to be concerned with the
713 7 | imperfect, and nothing has been said either clear or satisfactory?
714 7 | every one of these poets has said many things well and many
715 7 | clearer when, as we have often said, we arrive at the end of
716 7 | different festivals, we said were to benefit cities by
717 7 | exercise in general. Having said what remained to be said
718 7 | said what remained to be said about the teaching of music,
719 7 | state. Many things have been said by us about dancing and
720 7 | explain clearly what has been said, pointing out that of all
721 7 | had this in view when he said, that “not even God himself
722 7 | that what you have now said is very true and agreeable
723 8 | this that no one has ever said the opposite, but every
724 8 | outcry. And therefore I said that I knew a way of enacting
725 8 | of the human heart when I said that the permanent establishment
726 8 | training? And the same is said of Crison and Astylus and
727 8 | cases, as has been already said, the whole number of them
728 9 | let him pay fines, as we said before. In cases of death,
729 9 | enquiry into what has been said; and after the oldest has
730 9 | so much of what has been said as is to the purpose all
731 9 | remember what has been well said by us already, that our
732 9 | the benefit may often be said to injure. For I maintain,
733 9 | Cleinias. What you have said appears to me to be very
734 9 | much would be generally said and allowed, that one element
735 9 | passion, which may be justly said to be in a mean between
736 9 | to law.~Enough has been said of murders violent and involuntary
737 9 | other murders. But now, as I said at first, avarice is the
738 9 | rid of them. Let this be said as a prelude concerning
739 9 | and these, as has been said, shall be required of the
740 9 | the border, as has been said about the animals.~If a
741 9 | same time, as I have often said, we should exhibit to the
742 9 | tried for assault, as I have said, and if he be found guilty,
743 9 | the punishments which are said to pursue them in the world
744 9 | rescue as has been already said, and the metic or stranger
745 10 | cases. For we have already said in general terms what shall
746 10 | when we hear such things said of them by those who are
747 10 | Gods, of whom the law is said now to approve, let us take
748 10 | other things the soul may be said to exist by nature; and
749 10 | round of globes which are said to be at rest? “Yes.” And
750 10 | rule or proportion, may be said to be akin to senselessness
751 10 | Then, after what has been said, there is no difficulty
752 10 | judging from what has been said, Stranger, there would be
753 10 | see, then, whether we have said enough or not enough to
754 10 | present and heard what was said, that they are perfectly
755 11 | of many things it is well said—”Move not the immovables,”
756 11 | the agora. Enough has been said in what has preceded about
757 11 | and the merchant may be said to be appointed for this
758 11 | to die intestate. When I said, Cleinias, that we must
759 11 | former discourse, when we said that the souls of the dead
760 11 | agreeably to what has now been said. But if this prelude be
761 12 | ambassador, what they have never said, let him be indicted for
762 12 | help; for justice is truly said to be an honourable maiden,
763 12 | of the damages and, as I said before, half as much again,
764 12 | the dead are quite rightly said to be our shades or images;
765 12 | things of old time were well said and sung; and the saying
766 12 | not something of this sort said by us before?~Cleinias.
767 12 | earnestness.~Cleinias. Well said, and I hope that you will
768 12 | we mentioned, cannot be said to have understanding about
769 12 | assembly which you just now said was to meet at night.~Athenian.
770 12 | we admitted, was rightly said to be virtue.~Athenian.
771 12 | Athenian. Yes.~Cleinias. And we said that virtue was of four
772 12 | end, for we have already said that the mind of the pilot,
773 12 | then, must we do as we said? Or can we give our guardians
774 12 | And may not the same be said of all good things—that
775 12 | Just the opposite, as I said, of the opinion which once
776 12 | same sort. But now, as I said, the case is reversed.~Cleinias.
777 12 | moreover, as I have now said several times, he who has
778 12 | mind of nature which is said to exist in the stars, and
779 12 | they could not be truly said to be secret, might be said
780 12 | said to be secret, might be said to be incapable of being
781 12 | after all that has been said, either we must detain the
Lysis
Part
782 Text | come straight to us, he said, and put in here; you may
783 Text | as well.~Who are you, I said; and where am I to come?~
784 Text | the wall. And there, he said, is the building at which
785 Text | are welcome.~Thank you, I said; and is there any teacher
786 Text | any teacher there?~Yes, he said, your old friend and admirer,
787 Text | professor.~Are you disposed, he said, to go with me and see them?~
788 Text | me and see them?~Yes, I said; but I should like to know
789 Text | Socrates, and some another, he said.~And who is yours? I asked:
790 Text | At this he blushed; and I said to him, O Hippothales, thou
791 Text | more and more.~Ctesippus said: I like to see you blushing,
792 Text | blushing.~Who is Lysis? I said: I suppose that he must
793 Text | recall any one to me.~Why, he said, his father being a very
794 Text | tell me whose son he is, I said.~He is the eldest son of
795 Text | Aexone.~Ah, Hippothales, I said; what a noble and really
796 Text | others.~Nay, Socrates, he said; you surely do not attach
797 Text | is saying.~Do you mean, I said, that you disown the love
798 Text | is not in his right mind, said Ctesippus; he is talking
799 Text | stark mad.~O Hippothales, I said, if you have ever made any
800 Text | be able to tell you, he said; for if, as he avers, the
801 Text | recollection of them.~Yes, indeed, said Ctesippus; I know only too
802 Text | him.~When I heard this, I said: O ridiculous Hippothales!
803 Text | my songs and verses, he said, are not in honour of myself,
804 Text | Socrates.~You think not? I said.~Nay, but what do you think?
805 Text | replied.~Most assuredly, I said, those songs are all in
806 Text | not agree with me?~Yes, he said.~And the more vain-glorious
807 Text | poetry.~Assuredly not, he said; such a poet would be a
808 Text | not easy to determine, I said; but if you will bring your
809 Text | That will be the way, I said. Thereupon I led Ctesippus
810 Text | turned to Menexenus, and said: Son of Demophon, which
811 Text | of dispute between us, he said.~And which is the nobler?
812 Text | the richer of the two, I said; for you are friends, are
813 Text | by some one who came and said that the gymnastic-master
814 Text | questions. I dare say, Lysis, I said, that your father and mother
815 Text | very much.~Certainly, he said.~And they would wish you
816 Text | should think not indeed, he said.~And if your father and
817 Text | doing.~What do you mean? I said. Do they want you to be
818 Text | prevent you?~Certainly, he said, they will not allow me
819 Text | indeed they will not.~Then, I said, may no one use the whip
820 Text | whip to the mules?~Yes, he said, the muleteer.~And is he
821 Text | a free man?~A slave, he said.~And do they esteem a slave
822 Text | even allow that?~Nay, he said; of course they do not allow
823 Text | slave, he replied.~Surely, I said, this is a strange thing,
824 Text | touch one of them.~Well, I said, this is amazing. And did
825 Text | can do nothing?~Why, he said, Socrates, the reason is
826 Text | that is the real reason, I said; for I should imagine that
827 Text | with you.~That is true, he said.~Then what can be the reason,
828 Text | be the reason, Lysis, I said, why they allow you to do
829 Text | the other?~I suppose, he said, because I understand the
830 Text | other.~Yes, my dear youth, I said, the reason is not any deficiency
831 Text | you.~I think so.~Aye, I said; and about your neighbour,
832 Text | let me put another case, I said: There is the great king,
833 Text | Then now, my dear Lysis, I said, you perceive that in things
834 Text | confusion at what had been said, and I remembered that,
835 Text | certainly cannot refuse, I said, since you ask me; but then,
836 Text | upset me.~Yes, indeed, he said; he is very pugnacious,
837 Text | of myself?~No, indeed, he said; but I want you to put him
838 Text | ourselves.~I shall be happy, I said, to let you have a share.
839 Text | why do you not ask him? he said.~Very well, I said, I will;
840 Text | him? he said.~Very well, I said, I will; and do you, Menexenus,
841 Text | of either.~Do you mean, I said, that if only one of them
842 Text | mutual friends?~Yes, he said; that is my meaning.~But
843 Text | Is not that true?~Yes, he said, quite true.~In that case,
844 Text | any.~But, O Menexenus! I said, may we not have been altogether
845 Text | have been wrong, Socrates, said Lysis. And he blushed as
846 Text | so I turned to him and said, I think, Lysis, that what
847 Text | heard those words.~Yes, he said; I have.~And have you not
848 Text | They may be.~Perhaps, I said, about half, or possibly,
849 Text | Is not that true?~Yes, he said.~Then one half of the saying
850 Text | that the bad, as is often said of them, are never at unity
851 Text | good are friends.’~Yes, he said, that is true.~Yes, I replied;
852 Text | And I thought that he who said this was a charming man,
853 Text | hearing, that he is right, said Menexenus.~Then we are to
854 Text | is possible.~And yet, I said, if friendship goes by contraries,
855 Text | good?~How do you mean? he said.~Why really, I said, the
856 Text | he said.~Why really, I said, the truth is that I do
857 Text | ointment?~What do you mean? he said.~This is what I mean: Suppose
858 Text | peculiar sort?~The latter, he said.~Then that which is neither
859 Text | remember that?~Yes, they both said.~And so, Lysis and Menexenus,
860 Text | untrue. I was pained, and said, Alas! Lysis and Menexenus,
861 Text | only.~Why do you say so? said Menexenus.~I am afraid,
862 Text | Menexenus.~I am afraid, I said, that the argument about
863 Text | mean? he asked.~Well, I said; look at the matter in this
864 Text | not quite follow you, he said.~I do not wonder at that,
865 Text | do not wonder at that, I said. But perhaps, if I put the
866 Text | Certainly.~And what of health? I said. Is that good or evil, or
867 Text | And may not the same be said of the friend? That which
868 Text | something else is improperly said to be dear, but the truly
869 Text | friendships terminate.~That, he said, appears to be true.~And
870 Text | oh! will you tell me, I said, whether if evil were to
871 Text | Likely enough.~But surely, I said, he who desires, desires
872 Text | another?~Certainly, they both said.~And I say, my boys, that
873 Text | or in his form.~Yes, yes, said Menexenus. But Lysis was
874 Text | Lysis was silent.~Then, I said, the conclusion is, that
875 Text | be loved.~It follows, he said.~Then the lover, who is
876 Text | to revise the argument, I said: Can we point out any difference
877 Text | know not what remains to be said.~Here I was going to invite
878 Text | broke up the company.~I said, however, a few words to
Menexenus
Part
879 Pre | generation Aristotle, are all said to have composed dialogues;
880 Pre | On the whole, more may be said in favour of the genuineness
881 Intro| of what Lysias might have said, and of how much better
882 Text | you remember what Aspasia said?~SOCRATES: I ought to be
883 Text | you not rehearse what she said?~SOCRATES: Because I am
884 Text | Eretrians, because, as he said, we had conspired against
885 Text | fathers desired to have said to you who are their survivors,
886 Text | judging from what they then said. And you must imagine that
887 Text | be, and really was, well said. For he whose happiness
Meno
Part
888 Intro| has forgotten what Gorgias said. Will Meno tell him his
889 Intro| legendary Pythagoras is said to have sacrificed a hecatomb—
890 Intro| possessed of it cannot be said to be men of science or
891 Intro| immediately afterwards, ‘I have said some things of which I am
892 Intro| and Phaedrus. Nothing is said of the pre-existence of
893 Intro| some things which I have said I am not altogether confident’ (
894 Intro| Plato himself would have said that ‘he was not confident
895 Intro| that part of it which is said to be based upon experience,
896 Intro| infinite substance. As Socrates said that virtue is knowledge,
897 Text | and that you know what he said: please, therefore, to remind
898 Text | to remind me of what he said; or, if you would rather,
899 Text | do. And the same may be said of vice, Socrates (Compare
900 Text | SOCRATES: And if he had said, Tell me what they are?—
901 Text | were not compelled, as you said yesterday, to go away before
902 Text | justice and the like are said by you to be parts of virtue.~
903 Text | saying. Some things I have said of which I am not altogether
904 Text | SOCRATES: And the same may be said of temperance and quickness
905 Text | And might not the same be said of flute-playing, and of
906 Text | Yes.~SOCRATES: But when we said that a man cannot be a good
907 Text | nature of virtue, when we said that knowledge only is the
908 Text | statesmen above all may be said to be divine and illumined,
909 Text | be such an one, he may be said to be among the living what
Parmenides
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910 Intro| Nothing of this kind is said of Zeno and Parmenides.
911 Intro| well-favoured—Zeno, who was said to have been beloved of
912 Intro| again.’~‘You mean, Zeno,’ said Socrates, ‘to argue that
913 Intro| is my meaning.’ ‘I see,’ said Socrates, turning to Parmenides, ‘
914 Intro| of us.’ ‘Yes, Socrates,’ said Zeno; ‘but though you are
915 Intro| I quite believe you,’ said Socrates; ‘but will you
916 Intro| separation.’~Pythodorus said that in his opinion Parmenides
917 Intro| of Socrates. ‘Tell me,’ said Parmenides, ‘do you think
918 Intro| beautiful, the good?’ ‘Yes,’ he said. ‘And of human beings like
919 Intro| Why not of the whole?’ said Socrates. ‘Because,’ said
920 Intro| said Socrates. ‘Because,’ said Parmenides, ‘in that case
921 Intro| will become many.’ ‘Nay,’ said Socrates, ‘the whole may
922 Intro| In the same sort of way,’ said Parmenides, ‘as a sail,
923 Intro| themselves.’ ‘How do you mean?’ said Socrates. ‘I may illustrate
924 Intro| There I agree with you,’ said Socrates. ‘Yet if these
925 Intro| see my way.’ ‘I think,’ said Parmenides, ‘that this arises
926 Intro| understand the nature,’ said Socrates; ‘will you give
927 Intro| task on a man of my years,’ said Parmenides. ‘Then will you,
928 Intro| Zeno?’ ‘Let us rather,’ said Zeno, with a smile, ‘ask
929 Intro| have thought more than he said, or was able to express.
930 Intro| notions. But Plato may here be said to anticipate the judgment
931 Intro| Platonic ideas. It has been said that ‘you cannot criticize
932 Intro| Parmenides are expressly said to follow the method of
933 Intro| and things. As if they had said, in the language of modern
934 Intro| I cannot refuse,’ said Parmenides, ‘since, as Zeno
935 Intro| the one.’ ‘By all means,’ said Zeno. ‘And who will answer
936 Intro| breathe.’ ‘I am the youngest,’ said Aristoteles, ‘and at your
937 Text | Agora. Welcome, Cephalus, said Adeimantus, taking me by
938 Text | you.~What may that be? he said.~I want you to tell me the
939 Text | was Pyrilampes?~Yes, he said, and the name of our brother,
940 Text | some countrymen of mine, I said; they are lovers of philosophy,
941 Text | they came to Athens, as he said, at the great Panathenaea;
942 Text | beloved by Parmenides. He said that they lodged with Pythodorus
943 Text | this having been done, he said: What is your meaning, Zeno?
944 Text | your position?~Just so, said Zeno.~And if the unlike
945 Text | I misunderstood you?~No, said Zeno; you have correctly
946 Text | purpose.~I see, Parmenides, said Socrates, that Zeno would
947 Text | most of us.~Yes, Socrates, said Zeno. But although you are
948 Text | just one.~I understand, said Socrates, and quite accept
949 Text | following words:—~Socrates, he said, I admire the bent of your
950 Text | that there are such ideas, said Socrates.~Parmenides proceeded:
951 Text | all that class?~Yes, he said, I should.~And would you
952 Text | or not?~Certainly not, said Socrates; visible things
953 Text | with them.~Yes, Socrates, said Parmenides; that is because
954 Text | beauty?~Yes, certainly, said Socrates that is my meaning.~
955 Text | participation?~There cannot be, he said.~Then do you think that
956 Text | many?~Why not, Parmenides? said Socrates.~Because one and
957 Text | remains one?~Certainly not, he said.~Suppose that you divide
958 Text | parts or wholes?~Indeed, he said, you have asked a question
959 Text | not easily answered.~Well, said Parmenides, and what do
960 Text | greatness as one.~Very true, said Socrates.~And if you go
961 Text | nothing?~Impossible, he said.~The thought must be of
962 Text | there is no escape.~Then, said Parmenides, if you say that
963 Text | assimilation to them.~But if, said he, the individual is like
964 Text | things.~What difficulty? he said.~There are many, but the
965 Text | do you mean, Parmenides? said Socrates.~In the first place,
966 Text | cannot exist in us.~No, said Socrates; for then they
967 Text | longer absolute.~True, he said; and therefore when ideas
968 Text | them.~What do you mean? said Socrates.~I may illustrate
969 Text | my meaning in this way, said Parmenides:—A master has
970 Text | you see my meaning?~Yes, said Socrates, I quite see your
971 Text | not?~Because, Socrates, said Parmenides, we have admitted
972 Text | things of men.~Yet, surely, said Socrates, to deprive God
973 Text | monstrous.~These, Socrates, said Parmenides, are a few, and
974 Text | He who hears what may be said against them will deny the
975 Text | agree with you, Parmenides, said Socrates; and what you say
976 Text | mind.~And yet, Socrates, said Parmenides, if a man, fixing
977 Text | particularly noted.~Very true, he said.~But, then, what is to become
978 Text | my way at present.~Yes, said Parmenides; and I think
979 Text | called ideas.~Why, yes, he said, there appears to me to
980 Text | experience anything.~Quite true, said Parmenides; but I think
981 Text | you.~What do you mean? he said.~I mean, for example, that
982 Text | years.~Then will you, Zeno? said Socrates.~Zeno answered
983 Text | Antiphon’s report of him, said, that he himself and Aristoteles
984 Text | process. I cannot refuse, said Parmenides; and yet I feel
985 Text | not-being of one?~By all means, said Zeno.~And who will answer
986 Text | And who will answer me? he said. Shall I propose the youngest?
987 Text | whom you mean, Parmenides, said Aristoteles; for I am the
988 Text | proceeded: 1.a. If one is, he said, the one cannot be many?~
989 Text | anything, as we affirm?~Yes, we said so.~Then it is never in
990 Text | something.~Certainly.~And we said that it could not be in
991 Text | likeness of time; and we said that the one did not partake
992 Text | did say so.~And we also said, that it did not partake
993 Text | whole of the one?~No.~But we said that things which are neither
994 Text | with one another:—so we said?~Yes.~Then shall we say
995 Text | not-being, for that which is said ‘not to be’ is known to
996 Text | nor could it have been said to be anything, if it did
997 Text | Certainly.~Let thus much be said; and further let us affirm
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998 Intro| the mysteries when they said, ‘Many are the wand-bearers
999 Intro| cause of all things. And he said to himself: If mind is the
1000 Intro| It was as if a person had said that Socrates is sitting