(...) Phaedo
     Part
1001 Intro|              example, Simmias may be said to have greatness and also
1002 Intro|           also for them? They may be said to have a shadow or imitation
1003 Intro|               And after all has been said, the figure, the analogy,
1004 Intro|              death there is not much said; good men are too honest
1005 Intro|            persuaded by Socrates, is said to be the most incredulous
1006 Text |            of himself. And they were said to have vowed to Apollo
1007 Text |              death, Phaedo? What was said or done? And which of his
1008 Text |   Cleombrotus?~PHAEDO: No, they were said to be in Aegina.~ECHECRATES:
1009 Text |             us. ‘For the Eleven,’ he said, ‘are now with Socrates;
1010 Text |        to-day.’ He soon returned and said that we might come in. On
1011 Text |             us she uttered a cry and said, as women will: ‘O Socrates,
1012 Text |         Socrates turned to Crito and said: ‘Crito, let some one take
1013 Text |             succeed.~Upon this Cebes said: I am glad, Socrates, that
1014 Text |           Cultivate and make music,’ said the dream. And hitherto
1015 Text |             say that I must.~Simmias said: What a message for such
1016 Text |           unless he is obliged.~Why, said Socrates,—is not Evenus
1017 Text |     philosopher?~I think that he is, said Simmias.~Then he, or any
1018 Text |          hand of another.~Very true, said Cebes, laughing gently and
1019 Text |           agree?~Yes, I quite agree, said Cebes.~And if one of your
1020 Text |         summoning me.~Yes, Socrates, said Cebes, there seems to be
1021 Text |         reverse of what was just now said; for upon this view the
1022 Text |            to please Socrates. Here, said he, turning to us, is a
1023 Text |            should like you to do so, said Simmias.~Then I must try
1024 Text |            the dead, and as has been said of old, some far better
1025 Text |         thoughts with you, Socrates? said Simmias. Will you not impart
1026 Text |             even a third dose.~Then, said Socrates, let him mind his
1027 Text |              him.~Never mind him, he said.~And now, O my judges, I
1028 Text |       pursuing and desiring?~Simmias said laughingly: Though not in
1029 Text |            indistinct, what is to be said of the other senses?—for
1030 Text |              the body?~Very true, he said.~And this separation and
1031 Text |         termed death?~To be sure, he said.~And the true philosophers,
1032 Text |      contradiction.~How so?~Well, he said, you are aware that death
1033 Text |            great evil.~Very true, he said.~And do not courageous men
1034 Text |           intelligence.~True, Cebes, said Socrates; and shall I suggest
1035 Text |             these things?~I am sure, said Cebes, that I should greatly
1036 Text |        opinion about them.~I reckon, said Socrates, that no one who
1037 Text |              and that which grows is said to wax, and that which decays
1038 Text |              decays to wane?~Yes, he said.~And there are many other
1039 Text |         opposite of waking?~True, he said.~And what is it?~Death,
1040 Text |      processes also?~Of course.~Now, said Socrates, I will analyze
1041 Text |         dying is visible?~Surely, he said.~What then is to be the
1042 Text |             again.~Yes, Socrates, he said; the conclusion seems to
1043 Text |           were not unfair, Cebes, he said, may be shown, I think,
1044 Text |           them.~What do you mean? he said.~A simple thing enough,
1045 Text |              is no escape, Socrates, said Cebes; and to me your argument
1046 Text |             absolutely true.~Yes, he said, Cebes, it is and must be
1047 Text |     immortality.~But tell me, Cebes, said Simmias, interposing, what
1048 Text |           them.~One excellent proof, said Cebes, is afforded by questions.
1049 Text |               Compare Meno.)~But if, said Socrates, you are still
1050 Text |               Incredulous, I am not, said Simmias; but I want to have
1051 Text |             and, from what Cebes has said, I am beginning to recollect
1052 Text |         knowledge, may not be fairly said to recollect that of which
1053 Text |           inattention.~Very true, he said.~Well; and may you not also
1054 Text |           recollected?~Very true, he said.~And shall we proceed a
1055 Text |              essence?~To be sure, he said.~And whence did we obtain
1056 Text |             that idea?~Very true, he said.~Which might be like, or
1057 Text |       equality in a measure?~Yes, he said, in a very great measure
1058 Text |           after birth, those who are said to learn only remember,
1059 Text |           convince him too.~I think, said Simmias, that Cebes is satisfied:
1060 Text |             end?~Very true, Simmias, said Cebes; about half of what
1061 Text |              has been already given, said Socrates, if you put the
1062 Text |          alone in the dark.~Socrates said: Let the voice of the charmer
1063 Text |              Very good.~Must we not, said Socrates, ask ourselves
1064 Text |             questions.~Very true, he said.~Now the compound or composite
1065 Text |            Yes; I should imagine so, said Cebes.~And the uncompounded
1066 Text |          never the same.~I agree, he said.~Then now let us return
1067 Text |          seen?~That is very true, he said.~Well, then, added Socrates,
1068 Text |               That is well and truly said, Socrates, he replied.~And
1069 Text |         Cebes: of all which has been said is not this the conclusion?—
1070 Text |           not this true, Cebes?~Yes, said Cebes, beyond a doubt.~But
1071 Text |             suppose them to go?~Yes, said Cebes; with such natures,
1072 Text |           there is no difficulty, he said, in assigning to all of
1073 Text |       propensities?~There is not, he said.~Some are happier than others;
1074 Text |          that would not become them, said Cebes.~No indeed, he replied;
1075 Text |        Socrates?~I will tell you, he said. The lovers of knowledge
1076 Text |        thinks.~What is it, Socrates? said Cebes.~The evil is that
1077 Text |            us were, on what had been said; only Cebes and Simmias
1078 Text |           was anything wanting? For, said he, there are many points
1079 Text |              me to help you.~Simmias said: I must confess, Socrates,
1080 Text |            yet the hoopoe; which are said indeed to tune a lay of
1081 Text |          allow.~Very good, Socrates, said Simmias; then I will tell
1082 Text |            who did not prove what is said about them to the uttermost,
1083 Text |            hereafter with not having said at the time what I think.
1084 Text |            us as his manner was, and said with a smile: Simmias has
1085 Text |              tell me then, Cebes, he said, what was the difficulty
1086 Text |            which troubled you?~Cebes said: I will tell you. My feeling
1087 Text |         feeling at hearing what they said. When we had been so firmly
1088 Text |            with my hair; and then he said: To-morrow, Phaedo, I suppose
1089 Text |              shall I do with them? I said.~To-day, he replied, and
1090 Text |            and defeated them.~Yes, I said, but Heracles himself is
1091 Text |              but Heracles himself is said not to be a match for two.~
1092 Text |              two.~Summon me then, he said, and I will be your Iolaus
1093 Text |             That will do as well, he said. But first let us take care
1094 Text |            danger.~Of what nature? I said.~Lest we become misologists,
1095 Text |            them.~What do you mean? I said.~I mean, he replied, as
1096 Text |           never observe this?~Yes, I said, I have.~And do you not
1097 Text |           And do you not imagine, he said, that if there were a competition
1098 Text |               that is very likely, I said.~Yes, that is very likely,
1099 Text |          flow.~That is quite true, I said.~Yes, Phaedo, he replied,
1100 Text |            realities.~Yes, indeed, I said; that is very melancholy.~
1101 Text |               in the first place, he said, be careful of allowing
1102 Text |           And now let us proceed, he said. And first of all let me
1103 Text |        lasting than the body, but he said that no one could know whether
1104 Text |           And what did you think, he said, of that part of the argument
1105 Text |             the argument in which we said that knowledge was recollection,
1106 Text |          enclosed in the body?~Cebes said that he had been wonderfully
1107 Text |         replied Simmias.~And yet, he said, there surely ought to be
1108 Text |              there is no harmony, he said, in the two propositions
1109 Text |              the matter, Simmias, he said, in another point of view:
1110 Text |            do not understand you, he said.~I mean to say that a harmony
1111 Text |          surely of two souls, one is said to have intelligence and
1112 Text |            an evil soul: and this is said truly?~Yes, truly.~But what
1113 Text |         agree with you, Socrates, he said.~And can all this be true,
1114 Text |          this be true, think you? he said; for these are the consequences
1115 Text |        cannot be true.~Once more, he said, what ruler is there of
1116 Text |       contradict ourselves.~True, he said.~Thus much, said Socrates,
1117 Text |            True, he said.~Thus much, said Socrates, of Harmonia, your
1118 Text |             way of propitiating him, said Cebes; I am sure that you
1119 Text |           fate.~Nay, my good friend, said Socrates, let us not boast,
1120 Text |              subtract anything.~But, said Cebes, as far as I see at
1121 Text |             reflection. At length he said: You are raising a tremendous
1122 Text |             I should very much like, said Cebes, to hear what you
1123 Text |           say.~Then I will tell you, said Socrates. When I was young,
1124 Text |              contracts, as some have said? Is the blood the element
1125 Text |              reasonable notion?~Yes, said Cebes, I think so.~Well;
1126 Text |              notion of such matters? said Cebes.~I should be far enough
1127 Text |              some one reading, as he said, from a book of Anaxagoras,
1128 Text |      appeared quite admirable, and I said to myself: If mind is the
1129 Text |             this was best; and if he said that the earth was in the
1130 Text |    conditions in all this. It may be said, indeed, that without bones
1131 Text |             There is nothing new, he said, in what I am about to tell
1132 Text |       immortality of the soul.~Cebes said: You may proceed at once
1133 Text |             grant you this.~Well, he said, then I should like to know
1134 Text |         notion of the cause?~Yes, he said, I agree.~He proceeded:
1135 Text |           you not?~Indeed, I should, said Cebes, laughing.~In like
1136 Text |           these cases.~Very true, he said.~Again, would you not be
1137 Text |           What you say is most true, said Simmias and Cebes, both
1138 Text |               if I remember rightly, said:—~This is your way of speaking;
1139 Text |             And therefore Simmias is said to be great, and is also
1140 Text |             to be great, and is also said to be small, because he
1141 Text |              remember which of them, said: In heaven’s name, is not
1142 Text |              I like your courage, he said, in reminding us of this.
1143 Text |           time, turning to Cebes, he said: Are you at all disconcerted,
1144 Text |     objection?~No, I do not feel so, said Cebes; and yet I cannot
1145 Text |             we are agreed after all, said Socrates, that the opposite
1146 Text |             when snow, as was before said, is under the influence
1147 Text |           and cold.~That is true, he said.~And in some cases the name
1148 Text |          with three? and this may be said not only of three but also
1149 Text |          remaining three?~Very true, said Cebes.~And yet, he said,
1150 Text |              said Cebes.~And yet, he said, the number two is certainly
1151 Text |             opposites.~Very true, he said.~Suppose, he said, that
1152 Text |           true, he said.~Suppose, he said, that we endeavour, if possible,
1153 Text |              You will agree?~Yes, he said, I entirely agree and go
1154 Text |             you in that.~And now, he said, let us begin again; and
1155 Text |              from what has been just said. I mean that if any one
1156 Text |            further examples.~Yes, he said, I quite understand you.~
1157 Text |             always the case?~Yes, he said, of course.~Then whatever
1158 Text |       opposite to life?~There is, he said.~And what is that?~Death.~
1159 Text |           replied Cebes.~And now, he said, what did we just now call
1160 Text |              just?~The unmusical, he said, and the unjust.~And what
1161 Text |              death?~The immortal, he said.~And does the soul admit
1162 Text |            soul is immortal?~Yes, he said.~And may we say that this
1163 Text |          admitted the heat?~True, he said.~Again, if the uncooling
1164 Text |            unaffected?~Certainly, he said.~And the same may be said
1165 Text |            said.~And the same may be said of the immortal: if the
1166 Text |            true.~And the same may be said of the immortal: if the
1167 Text |            other proof is needed, he said; for if the immortal, being
1168 Text |             perish.~Yes, all men, he said—that is true; and what is
1169 Text |              am convinced, Socrates, said Cebes, and have nothing
1170 Text |              wants to say or to have said.~But I have nothing more
1171 Text |            doubt after what has been said. But I still feel and cannot
1172 Text |       replied Socrates, that is well said: and I may add that first
1173 Text |           But then, O my friends, he said, if the soul is really immortal,
1174 Text |             education; and these are said greatly to benefit or greatly
1175 Text |          What do you mean, Socrates? said Simmias. I have myself heard
1176 Text |            conception of them.~That, said Simmias, will be enough.~
1177 Text |            be enough.~Well, then, he said, my conviction is, that
1178 Text |             is surely a correct one, said Simmias.~Also I believe
1179 Text |              The tale, my friend, he said, is as follows:—In the first
1180 Text |             had done speaking, Crito said: And have you any commands
1181 Text |          avail.~We will do our best, said Crito: And in what way shall
1182 Text |           his bath, but not much was said. Soon the jailer, who was
1183 Text |           Socrates looked at him and said: I return your good wishes,
1184 Text |               Then turning to us, he said, How charming the man is:
1185 Text |         attendant prepare some.~Yet, said Crito, the sun is still
1186 Text |             is time enough.~Socrates said: Yes, Crito, and they of
1187 Text |              cup of poison. Socrates said: You, my good friend, who
1188 Text |         manner was, took the cup and said: What do you say about making
1189 Text |             enough. I understand, he said: but I may and must ask
1190 Text |              this strange outcry? he said. I sent away the women mainly
1191 Text |            walked about until, as he said, his legs began to fail,
1192 Text |             if he could feel; and he said, No; and then his leg, and
1193 Text |            he felt them himself, and said: When the poison reaches
1194 Text |              covered himself up, and said—they were his last words—
1195 Text |          they were his last words—he said: Crito, I owe a cock to
1196 Text |              The debt shall be paid, said Crito; is there anything


Phaedrus
     Part
1197 Intro|             of the non-lover? He has said his say and is preparing
1198 Intro|             to please Phaedrus. If I said what was wrong at first,
1199 Intro|        showed his good sense when he said that there was a better
1200 Intro|          full of that higher element said to have been learned of
1201 Intro|             another, how can they be said to choose?—they draw lots,
1202 Intro|              theologians he might be said to maintain the ‘final perseverance’
1203 Intro|          feeling. What would he have said of the discovery of Christian
1204 Text |             he gave himself airs and said, ‘No I cannot,’ as if he
1205 Text |            general notion of what he said, and will give you a summary
1206 Text |              here at which Boreas is said to have carried off Orithyia
1207 Text |         manner of her death, she was said to have been carried away
1208 Text |         virtue. Remember what I have said; and consider yet this further
1209 Text |                I believe that I have said enough; but if there is
1210 Text |          that any Hellene could have said more or spoken better on
1211 Text |             what else is there to be said?) and must be allowed and
1212 Text |              me to say to you as you said to me, ‘I know Socrates
1213 Text |          verily constraint is always said to be grievous. Now the
1214 Text |              talk over what has been said, and then return in the
1215 Text |         effect: ‘I told a lie when I said’ that the beloved ought
1216 Text |             For, as has been already said, every soul of man has in
1217 Text |              following manner:—~As I said at the beginning of this
1218 Text |              if Phaedrus or I myself said anything rude in our first
1219 Text |            the grasshoppers, who are said to have been human beings
1220 Text |     Certainly.~SOCRATES: Can this be said of the discourse of Lysias?
1221 Text |              in the epitaph which is said by some to have been inscribed
1222 Text |          argument of them, for, as I said, ‘love is a madness.’~PHAEDRUS:
1223 Text |              madness, which was also said to be the best, we spoke
1224 Text |          when I told him of this; he said that he had himself discovered
1225 Text |           them.~SOCRATES: I have now said all that I have to say of
1226 Text |               Do you say what can be said for him.~SOCRATES: He will
1227 Text |          first principles; for, as I said at first, when the question
1228 Text |          Enough appears to have been said by us of a true and false
1229 Text |         there is something yet to be said of propriety and impropriety
1230 Text |            to repeat all that Thamus said to Theuth in praise or blame
1231 Text |          they came to letters, This, said Theuth, will make the Egyptians
1232 Text |         silence. And the same may be said of speeches. You would imagine
1233 Text |            you would repeat what was said.~SOCRATES: Until a man knows


Philebus
     Part
1234 Intro|              first place, nothing is said of this in the final summing
1235 Intro|           the idea of science may be said to anticipate science; at
1236 Intro|             from matter, and is then said to be pure and unmixed.
1237 Intro|             Heracliteans, whom he is said by Aristotle to have cultivated
1238 Intro|            other subject, you may be said to know that subject. In
1239 Intro|        illusion: pain has often been said by us to arise out of the
1240 Intro|            the good than pleasure. I said that the two together were
1241 Intro|             of actions. Mankind were said by him to act rightly when
1242 Intro|            their happiness we may be said to be ‘working together
1243 Intro|               as Socrates would have said, that they are not many,
1244 Intro|            are opposed? Happiness is said to be the ground of moral
1245 Intro|     knowledge itself could hardly be said to exist. It is this more
1246 Intro|              or he may be more truly said to have had no system, but
1247 Intro|              of the words ‘those who said of old time that mind rules
1248 Text |             that whatever things are said to be are composed of one
1249 Text |              perfect; and you may be said to understand any other
1250 Text |            in the Egyptian legend is said to have been Theuth, observing
1251 Text |             goods. For when Philebus said that pleasure and delight
1252 Text |      reminding ourselves of what you said, and very properly, in order
1253 Text |             pleasure cannot be truly said to share either in the first
1254 Text |             SOCRATES: Why? because I said that we had better not pain
1255 Text |               Still there was, as we said, a fourth class to be investigated,
1256 Text |        SOCRATES: And the same may be said of the patient, or effect;
1257 Text |             I dare say.~SOCRATES: We said, if you remember, that the
1258 Text |           and may therefore be truly said to comprehend the conqueror
1259 Text |        SOCRATES: And the same may be said of the cosmos, which for
1260 Text |            SOCRATES: May our body be said to have a soul?~PROTARCHUS:
1261 Text |           the testimony of those who said of old time that mind rules
1262 Text |       PROTARCHUS: Yes, certainly, we said so.~SOCRATES: Then he will
1263 Text |            And the soul may be truly said to be oblivious of the first
1264 Text |              can be allowed; what is said should be pertinent.~PROTARCHUS:
1265 Text |             intensity; as was indeed said long ago by us.~PROTARCHUS:
1266 Text |              And may not the same be said about fear and anger and
1267 Text |             Yes, I remember that you said so.~SOCRATES: And the soul
1268 Text |            PROTARCHUS: Certainly, we said so.~SOCRATES: But how can
1269 Text |              the pleasures which are said to be true and false because
1270 Text |             Yes, that has been often said.~SOCRATES: And we have also
1271 Text |           judgment.~PROTARCHUS: Well said.~SOCRATES: Then let us enter
1272 Text |          pleasures, as we have often said, are the pleasures of the
1273 Text |             obvious as soon as it is said.~SOCRATES: Well, then, shall
1274 Text |          right.~SOCRATES: Then, as I said at first, we ought to be
1275 Text |             little be only pure, was said to be superior in truth
1276 Text |               And these names may be said to have their truest and
1277 Text |             They would answer, as we said before, that for any single
1278 Text |              True.~SOCRATES: Also we said that truth was to form an
1279 Text |              in the world; and it is said that in the pleasures of
1280 Text |          result of what has been now said.~SOCRATES: In the second
1281 Text |           and reassert what has been said, thus offering the third


Protagoras
     Part
1282 Intro|            and Critias, both of whom said a few words—in the presence
1283 Intro|       reproaches Pittacus for having said, ‘Hard is it to be good.’
1284 Intro|       noticed, in which the arts are said to be given by Prometheus (
1285 Text |            Yes; and I have heard and said many things.~COMPANION:
1286 Text |        asleep?~I knew his voice, and said: Hippocrates, is that you?
1287 Text |              any news?~Good news, he said; nothing but good.~Delightful,
1288 Text |              but good.~Delightful, I said; but what is the news? and
1289 Text |             He drew nearer to me and said: Protagoras is come.~Yes,
1290 Text |        arrival?~Yes, by the gods, he said; but not until yesterday
1291 Text |              at my feet, and then he said: Yesterday quite late in
1292 Text |           retire to rest, my brother said to me: Protagoras is come.
1293 Text |       courageous madness of the man, said: What is the matter? Has
1294 Text |              from me.~But, surely, I said, if you give him money,
1295 Text |              Tell me, Hippocrates, I said, as you are going to Protagoras,
1296 Text |              money, and some one had said to you: You are paying money
1297 Text |              of you?~A physician, he said.~And if you were resolved
1298 Text |               of course.~Well now, I said, you and I are going to
1299 Text |        Sophist of me.~By the gods, I said, and are you not ashamed
1300 Text |            to know them?~Just so, he said; and that, in my opinion,
1301 Text |            teaching of Protagoras.~I said: I wonder whether you know
1302 Text |        implies.~And might you not, I said, affirm this of the painter
1303 Text |            disciple know?~Indeed, he said, I cannot tell.~Then I proceeded
1304 Text |          food of the soul?~Surely, I said, knowledge is the food of
1305 Text |           fellows? But, my friend, I said, you need not be alarmed;
1306 Text |              up to Protagoras, and I said: Protagoras, my friend Hippocrates
1307 Text |             see you.~Do you wish, he said, to speak with me alone,
1308 Text |              Whichever you please, I said; you shall determine when
1309 Text |             what is your purpose? he said.~I must explain, I said,
1310 Text |              said.~I must explain, I said, that my friend Hippocrates
1311 Text |             light of his admirers, I said: But why should we not summon
1312 Text |            to hear us?~Very good, he said.~Suppose, said Callias,
1313 Text |              good, he said.~Suppose, said Callias, that we hold a
1314 Text |          were all seated, Protagoras said: Now that the company are
1315 Text |         before.~When I heard this, I said: Protagoras, I do not at
1316 Text |              a look at Hippias as he said this); but if he comes to
1317 Text |               Do I understand you, I said; and is your meaning that
1318 Text |     profession which I make.~Then, I said, you do indeed possess a
1319 Text |              himself.~Well, then, he said, I think that the myth will
1320 Text |         proper qualities. Epimetheus said to Prometheus: ‘Let me distribute,
1321 Text |              life. But Prometheus is said to have been afterwards
1322 Text |              them to all?’ ‘To all,’ said Zeus; ‘I should like them
1323 Text |             understand what is being said to him: he cannot say or
1324 Text |            looking at Hippocrates, I said to him: O son of Apollodorus,
1325 Text |           one.~And are they parts, I said, in the same sense in which
1326 Text |              others?~By no means, he said; for many a man is brave
1327 Text |        different from one another? I said.~Yes.~And has each of them
1328 Text |            that they differ.~Then, I said, no other part of virtue
1329 Text |            he answered.~Well then, I said, suppose that you and I
1330 Text |            yours also?~Mine also, he said.~And suppose that some one
1331 Text |             against me?~With you, he said.~Thereupon I should answer
1332 Text |               would not you?~Yes, he said.~And suppose that he went
1333 Text |             am not mistaken?~Yes, he said.~Which you would also acknowledge
1334 Text |              same way?~Certainly, he said.~And then after this suppose
1335 Text |             You certainly heard that said, but not, as you imagine,
1336 Text |            that he turned to you and said, ‘Is this true, Protagoras?
1337 Text |   acknowledging the truth of what he said, Socrates.~Well then, Protagoras,
1338 Text |           there be no ‘if.’~Well, he said, I admit that justice bears
1339 Text |          unlike.~And do you think, I said in a tone of surprise, that
1340 Text |             to be your view.~Well, I said, as you appear to have a
1341 Text |              folly?~That is true, he said.~And when men act rightly
1342 Text |             to be temperate?~Yes, he said.~And temperance makes them
1343 Text |           not temperate?~I agree, he said.~Then to act foolishly is
1344 Text |              He agreed.~Once more, I said, is there anything beautiful?~
1345 Text |         grave?~There is no other, he said, but that.~Then every opposite
1346 Text |             He assented.~Then now, I said, let us recapitulate our
1347 Text |          wisdom?~He assented.~And we said that everything has only
1348 Text |           agree: for how can they be said to agree if everything is
1349 Text |               And now, Protagoras, I said, we must finish the enquiry,
1350 Text |             be ashamed, Socrates, he said, to acknowledge this, which
1351 Text |          replied.~I would rather, he said, that you should argue with
1352 Text |              show of refusing, as he said that the argument was not
1353 Text |     consented to answer.~Now then, I said, begin at the beginning
1354 Text |              and yet unjust?~Yes, he said; let that be admitted.~And
1355 Text |          Granted.~If they succeed, I said, or if they do not succeed?~
1356 Text |             for man?~Yes, indeed, he said: and there are some things
1357 Text |              my business, and gently said:—~When you say, Protagoras,
1358 Text |           company cheered him. And I said: Protagoras, I have a wretched
1359 Text |            you.~What do you mean? he said: how am I to shorten my
1360 Text |              short?~Certainly not, I said.~But short enough?~Yes,
1361 Text |             But short enough?~Yes, I said.~Shall I answer what appears
1362 Text |              enough?~I have heard, I said, that you can speak and
1363 Text |      continue the conversation; so I said: Protagoras, I do not wish
1364 Text |             with you. Now you, as is said of you by others and as
1365 Text |           this old cloak of mine. He said: We cannot let you go, Socrates,
1366 Text |               But you see, Socrates, said Callias, that Protagoras
1367 Text |           Alcibiades interposed, and said: That, Callias, is not a
1368 Text |               seems to me to be well said, for those who are present
1369 Text |              the sage spoke next. He said: All of you who are here
1370 Text |          universal approval; Callias said that he would not let me
1371 Text |             choose an arbiter. But I said that to choose an umpire
1372 Text |             of opinion, Socrates, he said, that skill in poetry is
1373 Text |           whole?~There is no need, I said; for I am perfectly well
1374 Text |           study of it.~Very well, he said. And do you think that the
1375 Text |        composition, and true?~Yes, I said, both good and true.~But
1376 Text |            will observe that this is said by the same poet.~I know
1377 Text |             it.~And do you think, he said, that the two sayings are
1378 Text |       sayings are consistent?~Yes, I said, I think so (at the same
1379 Text |              be something in what he said). And you think otherwise?~
1380 Text |             think otherwise?~Why, he said, how can he be consistent
1381 Text |              called him. Prodicus, I said, Simonides is a countryman
1382 Text |            truly good’?~Quite right, said Prodicus.~And then he blames
1383 Text |             approved; but Protagoras said: Your correction, Socrates,
1384 Text |              are correcting.~Alas! I said, Protagoras; then I am a
1385 Text |           cure.~Such is the fact, he said.~How so? I asked.~The poet,
1386 Text |             easily retained.~Well, I said, and how fortunate are we
1387 Text |            by the term ‘hard’?~Evil, said Prodicus.~And therefore,
1388 Text |           Prodicus.~And therefore, I said, Prodicus, he blames Pittacus
1389 Text |            Evil is the good.~Yes, he said, that was certainly his
1390 Text |         entirely mistaken, Prodicus, said Protagoras; and I know very
1391 Text |             of this I am positive.~I said: I also incline to believe,
1392 Text |           should like to tell you, I said, what I imagine to be the
1393 Text |              I proposed.~Then now, I said, I will endeavour to explain
1394 Text |       meaning. A great deal might be said in praise of the details
1395 Text |        highest matters.’—And this, I said, Prodicus and Protagoras,
1396 Text |      Simonides in this poem.~Hippias said: I think, Socrates, that
1397 Text |              allow me.~Nay, Hippias, said Alcibiades; not now, but
1398 Text |          that Socrates should ask.~I said: I wish Protagoras either
1399 Text |    Alcibiades turned to Callias, and said:—Do you think, Callias,
1400 Text |           last induced to argue, and said that I might ask and he
1401 Text |            and he would answer.~So I said: Do not imagine, Protagoras,
1402 Text |           dare say that you may have said what you did only in order
1403 Text |               I answer, Socrates, he said, that all these qualities
1404 Text |           for their courage.~Stop, I said; I should like to think
1405 Text |              sort of nature?~Yes, he said; I mean the impetuous, ready
1406 Text |             to be a teacher.~Yes, he said; I should say the best of
1407 Text |        partly good and partly bad, I said, or wholly good?~Wholly
1408 Text |              of all other things, he said, if that is your point:
1409 Text |          persons utterly ignorant, I said, of these things, and yet
1410 Text |        confident about them?~Yes, he said, I have seen such persons
1411 Text |           not the confident?~Yes, he said; to that statement I adhere.~
1412 Text |     statement I adhere.~And those, I said, who are thus confident
1413 Text |              remembrance of what was said by me. When you asked me,
1414 Text |         healthy state of the soul.~I said: You would admit, Protagoras,
1415 Text |        unpleasantly an evil?~Yes, he said, if the pleasure be good
1416 Text |            do not know, Socrates, he said, whether I can venture to
1417 Text |           you would call pleasant, I said, the things which participate
1418 Text |              pleasure?~Certainly, he said.~Then my meaning is, that
1419 Text |              reflect about this,’ he said; and if the reflection is
1420 Text |              to begin the enquiry? I said; or shall I begin?~You ought
1421 Text |           ought to take the lead, he said; for you are the author
1422 Text |            employ an illustration? I said. Suppose some one who is
1423 Text |            agree with you, Socrates, said Protagoras; and not only
1424 Text |             of human things.~Good, I said, and true. But are you aware
1425 Text |              the reason of this have said that when men act contrary
1426 Text |          occur to them?~I believe, I said, that they may be of use
1427 Text |              You are quite right, he said; and I would have you proceed
1428 Text |             have begun.~Well then, I said, let me suppose that they
1429 Text |             and the like?~I believe, said Protagoras, that the world
1430 Text |           they were not?~I think so, said Protagoras.~‘And do you
1431 Text |            not think that they have, said Protagoras.~‘And have you
1432 Text |               But you cannot.’~True, said Protagoras.~Suppose again,
1433 Text |         Protagoras.~Suppose again, I said, that the world says to
1434 Text |              of measurement?~Yes, he said, the art of measurement.~
1435 Text |         science?~They will agree, he said.~The nature of that art
1436 Text |           other things; and then you said that pleasure often got
1437 Text |              all thought that what I said was entirely true.~Then
1438 Text |              true.~Then you agree, I said, that the pleasant is the
1439 Text |           This was admitted.~Then, I said, if the pleasant is the
1440 Text |        unanimously assented.~Then, I said, no man voluntarily pursues
1441 Text |          every word of this.~Well, I said, there is a certain thing
1442 Text |         Hippias agreed, but Prodicus said that this was fear and not
1443 Text |              Never mind, Prodicus, I said; but let me ask whether,
1444 Text |        universally admitted.~Then, I said, these, Hippias and Prodicus,
1445 Text |              can be right in what he said at first. I do not mean
1446 Text |             I do not mean in what he said quite at first, for his
1447 Text |              the following proof. He said: You will find, Socrates,
1448 Text |            He assented.~Well then, I said, tell us against what are
1449 Text |         something different?~Yes, he said.~Then do cowards go where
1450 Text |             so men say.~Very true, I said. But I want to know against
1451 Text |             not against dangers?~No, said he; the former case has
1452 Text |           things.~And yet, Socrates, said Protagoras, that to which
1453 Text |         honourable or disgraceful? I said.~Honourable, he replied.~
1454 Text |         shall always adhere.~True, I said. But which of the two are
1455 Text |            is good and honourable, I said, is also pleasant?~It has
1456 Text |           uninstructedness?~True, he said.~Then as to the motive from
1457 Text |            of dangers?~Assuredly, he said.~And because of that ignorance
1458 Text |        assent.~But surely courage, I said, is opposed to cowardice?~
1459 Text |           but was silent.~And why, I said, do you neither assent nor
1460 Text |             argument by yourself, he said.~I only want to ask one
1461 Text |             ask one more question, I said. I want to know whether
1462 Text |          argument.~My only object, I said, in continuing the discussion,
1463 Text |              have no objection, as I said at first, I should like
1464 Text |            argument. As I have often said, I admire you above all
1465 Text |      something else.~By all means, I said, if that is your wish; for


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1466 1    |             by the cloak behind, and said, Polemarchus desires you
1467 1    |            master was. ~There he is, said the youth, coming after
1468 1    |            wait. ~Certainly we will, said Glaucon; and in a few minutes
1469 1    |             procession. ~Polemarchus said to me, I perceive, Socrates,
1470 1    |             You are not far wrong, I said. ~But do you see, he rejoined,
1471 1    |            not be the alternative, I said, that we may persuade you
1472 1    |          refuse to listen to you? he said. ~Certainly not, replied
1473 1    |       another during the race? ~Yes, said Polemarchus; and not only
1474 1    |            not be perverse. ~Glaucon said, I suppose, since you insist,
1475 1    |              me eagerly, and then he said: ~You don't come to see
1476 1    |          will tell you, Socrates, he said, what my own feeling is.
1477 1    |         might go on-Yes, Cephalus, I said; but I rather suspect that
1478 1    |             wealth. That is true, he said. ~Yes, that is very true,
1479 1    |           from your wealth? ~One, he said, of which I could not expect
1480 1    |          opinion the greatest. ~Well said, Cephalus, I replied; but
1481 1    |             he replied. ~But then, I said, speaking the truth and
1482 1    |         Simonides is to be believed, said Polemarchus, interposing. ~
1483 1    |   Polemarchus, interposing. ~I fear, said Cephalus, that I must go
1484 1    |             Polemarchus your heir? I said. ~To be sure, he answered,
1485 1    |              say, about justice? ~He said that the repayment of a
1486 1    |       Certainly not. ~When Simonides said that the repayment of a
1487 1    |             to them? ~To be sure, he said, they are to receive what
1488 1    |            have been his meaning, he said. ~By heaven! I replied;
1489 1    |              in seeming? ~Surely, he said, a man may be expected to
1490 1    |            Simonides. ~Very true, he said; and I think that we had
1491 1    |             an enemy the same may be said. ~You would argue that the
1492 1    |             just. ~I agree with you, said Polemarchus. ~Then you and
1493 1    |              battle at your side, he said. ~Shall I tell you whose
1494 1    |             enemies." ~Most true, he said. ~Yes, I said; but if this
1495 1    |          Most true, he said. ~Yes, I said; but if this definition
1496 1    |             to him. ~Thrasymachus, I said, with a quiver, don't be
1497 1    |          cases were at all alike! he said. ~Why should they not be?
1498 1    |         justice other and better, he said, than any of these? What
1499 1    |              But you have, Socrates, said Glaucon: and you, Thrasymachus,
1500 1    |               Why, my good friend, I said, how can anyone answer who