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1001 9    |           injury. But I should rather say that such a hurt, whether
1002 9    |             Athenian. A man may truly say that ignorance is a third
1003 9    |             one was ever yet heard to say that one of us is superior
1004 9    |            than do this—how can he, I say, lawfully receive any other
1005 9    |        learned in the mysteries: they say that such deeds will be
1006 9    |               who of all men, as they say, is his own best friend?
1007 9    |              regarded.~And now let us say in what cases and under
1008 9    |            turn this or that orator—I say that then there is a very
1009 10   |               Cleinias. What shall we say or do to these persons?~
1010 10   |            Gods, while others, as you say, are of opinion that they
1011 10   |             friend, though I will not say that I much regard, the
1012 10   |       ancients I have nothing more to say; and I should wish to say
1013 10   |             say; and I should wish to say of them only what is pleasing
1014 10   |      aforesaid philosophers we should say that they are earth and
1015 10   |             Well, then; what shall we say or do?—Shall we assume that
1016 10   |            legislation; and that they say of us—How dreadful that
1017 10   |             and when they force us to say what we are now saying,
1018 10   |              anger:—O my son, we will say to him, you are young, and
1019 10   |             all means.~Athenian. They say that the greatest and fairest
1020 10   |              still more clearly. They say that fire and water, and
1021 10   |               action of mind, as they say, or of any God, or from
1022 10   |               and gymnastic. And they say that politics cooperate
1023 10   |            friend, these people would say that the Gods exist not
1024 10   |     proclaiming that if they will not say and think that the Gods
1025 10   |               not scattered, as I may say, throughout the world, there
1026 10   |              who use the term mean to say that nature is the first
1027 10   |              fair proposal? I mean to say that the argument in prospect
1028 10   |         places than one?” You mean to say, we shall rejoin, that those
1029 10   |           efficient?~Cleinias. I must say that the motion which is
1030 10   |                Athenian. Then we must say that self–motion being the
1031 10   |         itself?~Cleinias. You mean to say that the essence which is
1032 10   |               absolute truth, when we say that the soul is prior to
1033 10   |           however moving, must we not say that she orders also the
1034 10   |             doubt.~Athenian. Shall we say then that it is the soul
1035 10   |           Athenian. If, my friend, we say that the whole path and
1036 10   |            then, as is plain, we must say that the best soul takes
1037 10   |              and seasons, must we not say in like manner, that since
1038 10   |              or, if he be not able to say anything better, then he
1039 10   |        Athenian. Then to them we will say no more. And now we are
1040 10   |              human affairs: To him we say—O thou best of men, in believing
1041 10   |        Cleinias. Very good; do as you say, and we will help you as
1042 10   |             to them. Surely we should say that to be temperate and
1043 10   |        himself hates?—he who dares to say this sort of thing must
1044 10   |              two of them, and we will say to them—In the first place,
1045 10   |            the great;—as the builders say, the larger stones do not
1046 10   |           offer him?~Athenian. Let us say to the youth:—The ruler
1047 10   |            into the abyss, that is to say, into Hades and other places
1048 10   |              take heed of you. If you say:—I am small and will creep
1049 10   |            that you know not what you say of the Gods, then will God
1050 10   |               more, listen to what we say to the third opponent, if
1051 10   |           Very good; let us do as you say.~Athenian. Well, then, by
1052 10   |            Athenian. What else can he say who declares that the Gods
1053 10   |            without absurdity? Will he say that they are like pilots,
1054 10   |                Athenian. And shall we say that those who guard our
1055 10   |     sufficiently demonstrated? May we say that they are?~Cleinias.
1056 10   |               souls of the living and say that they can conjure the
1057 11   |               down by thee”—of him, I say, who despises these two
1058 11   |           compel, if I may venture to say a ridiculous thing, the
1059 11   |              retail trade, that is to say, in respect of such of them
1060 11   |            they should honour them, I say, in the second place; for
1061 11   |          Athenian. O ye Gods, he will say, how monstrous that I am
1062 11   |            and may he not very fairly say so?~Athenian. In my opinion,
1063 11   |              have something better to say to our departing citizens.~
1064 11   |       Athenian. O my friends, we will say to them, hard is it for
1065 11   |               disposition—the father, say, shall forgive the legislator
1066 11   |             mean?~Athenian. I mean to say, that a case may occur in
1067 11   |         compel him to obey—that is to say, would not compel those
1068 11   |                In the first place, we say that the guardians of the
1069 11   |            and the offender himself—I say, if he obtains more than
1070 11   |              years of age, that is to say, if they be men, or if they
1071 11   |             appointed penalty. And we say now, that he who deals in
1072 11   |           fixed; but we have still to say who are to be sanctioned
1073 11   |              If the offenders obey we say no more; but those who disobey,
1074 12   |      indictment in this form—he shall say that so–and–so is unworthy
1075 12   |               one who has anything to say about the enactment of laws
1076 12   |             their condition, as I may say truly again and again. And
1077 12   |        fathers tell us; and they also say that not much can be done
1078 12   |               to the council, I would say further, that if we let
1079 12   |            about the body, that is to say, who knows not that which
1080 12   |          Athenian. And what would you say of the state? If a person
1081 12   |             power to be found? Can we say?~Cleinias. I am not quite
1082 12   |          Megillus, and you, Cleinias, say distinctly what is the aim
1083 12   |              them we call one; for we say that courage is virtue,
1084 12   |              wise thoughts—that is to say, the old men—take counsel
1085 12   |            true.~Athenian. Did we not say that the workman or guardian,
1086 12   |             is certainly just, as you say, that he who is indolent
1087 12   |            world, or rather, I should say, themselves; for the bodies
1088 12   |           considered them, and I dare say that I shall be able to
1089 12   |           chance of throwing, as they say, thrice six or thrice ace,


Lysis
     Part
1090 Intro|         Moreover there are others who say that likeness is a cause
1091 Intro|              Suppose the indifferent, say the human body, to be desirous
1092 Intro|               to them: they could not say that friendship was only
1093 Text |             son of Hieronymus! do not say that you are, or that you
1094 Text |            know what a lover ought to say about his love, either to
1095 Text |               which a child might not say. Now is not that ridiculous?
1096 Text |          believe you.~What should you say of a hunter who frightened
1097 Text |         richer than the other, if you say truly that you are friends.~
1098 Text |           some more questions. I dare say, Lysis, I said, that your
1099 Text |             this?~They do.~But I dare say that you may take the whip
1100 Text |          teachers.~You do not mean to say that your teachers also
1101 Text |           course they do.~Then I must say that your father is pleased
1102 Text |           think not.~When I heard him say this, I turned to Hippothales,
1103 Text |           blunder, for I was going to say to him: That is the way,
1104 Text |            would even go further, and say the best horse or dog. Yea,
1105 Text |           them in return. Or shall we say that they do love them,
1106 Text |           them.~I think that what you say is true.~And, if so, not
1107 Text |          agree, Socrates, in what you say.~But if this cannot be,
1108 Text |              together, what are we to say? Whom are we to call friends
1109 Text |           think, Lysis, that what you say is true, and that, if we
1110 Text |            see what the poets have to say; for they are to us in a
1111 Text |              but God himself, as they say, makes them and draws them
1112 Text |              them acquainted.’~I dare say that you have heard those
1113 Text |         treatises of philosophers who say that like must love like?
1114 Text |            Then, my friend, those who say that the like is friendly
1115 Text |            friend?~Certainly not.~But say that the like is not the
1116 Text |             Have I not heard some one say, as I just now recollect,
1117 Text |              And indeed he went on to say in grandiloquent language,
1118 Text |               What do the rest of you say?~I should say, at first
1119 Text |             rest of you say?~I should say, at first hearing, that
1120 Text |             Menexenus.~Then we are to say that the greatest friendship
1121 Text |            agree to that?~Yes.~This I say from a sort of notion that
1122 Text |                None.~And therefore we say that those who are already
1123 Text |               shadow only.~Why do you say so? said Menexenus.~I am
1124 Text |        because of disease, that is to say because of evil, is the
1125 Text |            other things, which, as we say, are dear for the sake of
1126 Text |             And although we may often say that gold and silver are
1127 Text |          class of things which, as we say, are neither good nor evil
1128 Text |           perished? Or rather shall I say, that to ask what either
1129 Text |      Certainly, they both said.~And I say, my boys, that no one who
1130 Text |              as they are like; for to say that what is useless is
1131 Text |            true.~And shall we further say that the good is congenial,
1132 Text |              result.~But again, if we say that the congenial is the
1133 Text |          by-standers will go away and say—and as yet we have not been


Menexenus
     Part
1134 Pre  |         compared with his later ones, say the Protagoras or Phaedrus
1135 Pre  |               discussions; but should say of some of them, that their
1136 Intro|               far inferior to his own—say, one who had learned from
1137 Intro|               as fanciful. Nor can we say that the offer of Socrates
1138 Intro|        Phaedrus he has heard somebody say something— is inspired by
1139 Text |               prepared what he has to say, although he who is praised
1140 Text |          chosen will not have much to say, for he has been called
1141 Text |          should he not have plenty to say? Every rhetorician has speeches
1142 Text |             of very inferior masters, say, for example, one who had
1143 Text |             what would you be able to say if you had to speak?~SOCRATES:
1144 Text |              have their reward, and I say no more of them; but there
1145 Text |             might have many things to say—of the assaults which they
1146 Text |            Hellenes. And why should I say more? for the events of
1147 Text |            tell you what I heard them say, and what, if they had only
1148 Text |           This is all that we have to say to our families: and to
1149 Text |             and to the state we would say—Take care of our parents


Meno
     Part
1150 Intro|         justice is virtue: ‘Would you say virtue or a virtue, for
1151 Intro|              persons he has plenty to say about virtue; in the presence
1152 Intro|           question, as mathematicians say, under an hypothesis. He
1153 Intro|               of the word; that is to say, no real teachers who will
1154 Intro|            thought in another way and say of abstract or general ideas,
1155 Text |               laugh in your face, and say: ‘Stranger, you have far
1156 Text |              my dear boy, but you may say further that I have never
1157 Text |               at the time. And I dare say that he did know, and that
1158 Text |        generous, and tell me what you say that virtue is; for I shall
1159 Text |         SOCRATES: And if I went on to say: That is what I desire to
1160 Text |              wish.~SOCRATES: When you say, Meno, that there is one
1161 Text |               to virtue, or would you say the same of health, and
1162 Text |              or woman?~MENO: I should say that health is the same,
1163 Text |              is in the man. I mean to say that strength, as strength,
1164 Text |            order a house?~MENO: I did say so.~SOCRATES: And can either
1165 Text |         remember what you and Gorgias say that virtue is.~MENO: Will
1166 Text |               all, I know not what to say, but that virtue is the
1167 Text |           virtue.~SOCRATES: Would you say ‘virtue,’ Meno, or ‘a virtue’?~
1168 Text |           SOCRATES: I mean as I might say about anything; that a round,
1169 Text |          asked before: Meno, he would say, what is figure? And if
1170 Text |              asking whether you would say that roundness is ‘figure’
1171 Text |        questioner rejoined, Would you say that whiteness is colour
1172 Text |            matter in my way, he would say: Ever and anon we are landed
1173 Text |            them by a common name, and say that they are all figures,
1174 Text |              thus, you do not mean to say that the round is round
1175 Text |            look rather astonished and say: Do you not understand that
1176 Text |          another form: Meno, he might say, what is that ‘simile in
1177 Text |           what figure is. What do you say to this answer?—Figure is
1178 Text |               But if a person were to say that he does not know what
1179 Text |           antagonistic sort, I should say to him: You have my answer,
1180 Text |       dialectician’s vein; that is to say, I should not only speak
1181 Text |             he and you and Empedocles say that there are certain effluences
1182 Text |              plural, as the facetious say of those who break a thing,
1183 Text |               so the poet says, and I say too—~‘Virtue is the desire
1184 Text |              and do those who, as you say, desire evils, and think
1185 Text |             ill-fated?~MENO: I should say not, Socrates.~SOCRATES:
1186 Text |      attaining good?~MENO: Yes, I did say so.~SOCRATES: But if this
1187 Text |               us see whether what you say is true from another point
1188 Text |             mock me.~MENO: Why do you say that, Socrates?~SOCRATES:
1189 Text |             for otherwise, I can only say, that every action done
1190 Text |            virtue?~MENO: No; I do not say that he can.~SOCRATES: Do
1191 Text |             this moment I cannot even say what virtue is. And I think
1192 Text |             that—~MENO: What did they say?~SOCRATES: They spoke of
1193 Text |               were inspired. And they say—mark, now, and see whether
1194 Text |             their words are true—they say that the soul of man is
1195 Text |               her eliciting or as men say learning, out of a single
1196 Text |             prove to me that what you say is true, I wish that you
1197 Text |               size of this—that is to say of eight feet; and I want
1198 Text |             to know whether you still say that a double square comes
1199 Text |               a figure: Would you not say that this is the figure
1200 Text |              good; I like to hear you say what you think. And now
1201 Text |       Socrates.~SOCRATES: What do you say of him, Meno? Were not all
1202 Text |             one at last?~MENO: I dare say.~SOCRATES: Without any one
1203 Text |            know about him, if, as you say, he was born and bred in
1204 Text |            order.~SOCRATES: Do we not say that virtue is a good?—This
1205 Text |             profits—and virtue, as we say, is profitable?~MENO: Certainly.~
1206 Text |       knowledge: for consider now and say whether virtue, and not
1207 Text |            one more question. When we say that we should be right
1208 Text |              men good, do you mean to say that these are the only
1209 Text |           still living. Now, when you say that they deceived and corrupted
1210 Text |          utterly at fault, and I dare say that you are right. And
1211 Text |        discussing. Now, do we mean to say that the good men of our
1212 Text |           SOCRATES: Then no one could say that his son showed any
1213 Text |               one, old or young, ever say in your hearing that Cleophantus,
1214 Text |         certainly never heard any one say so.~SOCRATES: And if virtue
1215 Text |            thing?~MENO: Where does he say so?~SOCRATES: In these elegiac
1216 Text |       sometimes the opposite? Can you say that they are teachers in
1217 Text |             confusion?~MENO: I should say, certainly not.~SOCRATES:
1218 Text |           other to improve us. This I say, because I observe that
1219 Text |             that?~SOCRATES: I mean to say that they are not very valuable
1220 Text |            diviners and also prophets say many things truly, but they
1221 Text |               they know not what they say.~MENO: So I believe.~SOCRATES:
1222 Text |               in which condition they say many grand things, not knowing
1223 Text |         things, not knowing what they say.~MENO: Yes.~SOCRATES: And
1224 Text |               they praise a good man, say ‘that he is a divine man.’~


Parmenides
     Part
1225 Intro|             it might be sufficient to say, that no ancient writing
1226 Intro|                being many, that is to say, having many parts or members,
1227 Intro|                  Yes.’ ‘And would you say that each man is covered
1228 Intro|                 And would you like to say that the ideas are really
1229 Intro|           unconscious truth (shall we say?) or error, which underlay
1230 Intro|       difficulties mankind, as we may say, a little parodying the
1231 Intro|                he is only required to say ‘Yes’ and ‘No’ in the right
1232 Intro|               already offered. May we say, in Platonic language, that
1233 Intro|                undiscerning tribe who say that things both are and
1234 Intro|               are alone, though I may say with Ibycus, who in his
1235 Intro|            will be the most likely to say what he thinks, and his
1236 Intro|               one be one or many? You say one only; let us see. In
1237 Intro|              same thing; and when you say that the other is other
1238 Intro|             becomes older, that is to say, younger and older than
1239 Intro|          being:—do we mean by this to say that a thing, which is not,
1240 Intro|              it. It would be safer to say that it is an indication
1241 Intro|              no one has ever meant to say that three and one are to
1242 Intro|         Megarians. He did not mean to say that Being or Substance
1243 Intro|               of thought. He does not say with Bacon, ‘Let us make
1244 Text |        impossibility. In all that you say have you any other purpose
1245 Text |        writings too; he puts what you say in another way, and would
1246 Text |               For you, in your poems, say The All is one, and of this
1247 Text |              that I was many he would say that I have a right and
1248 Text |          prove that I am one, he will say, that we who are here assembled
1249 Text |           places at once. You mean to say, that if I were to spread
1250 Text |               think so.~And would you say that the whole sail includes
1251 Text |                Then would you like to say, Socrates, that the one
1252 Text |           Parmenides, and what do you say of another question?~What
1253 Text |               said Parmenides, if you say that everything else participates
1254 Text |               the ideas, must you not say either that everything is
1255 Text |          indeed.~And, further, let me say that as yet you only understand
1256 Text |               ideas, being such as we say they ought to be, must remain
1257 Text |           Would you, or would you not say, that absolute knowledge,
1258 Text |             if they do exist, he will say that they must of necessity
1259 Text |           said Socrates; and what you say is very much to my mind.~
1260 Text |            will be the most likely to say what he thinks; and his
1261 Text |           else but itself; that is to say, if it were really in itself;
1262 Text |       equality or of likeness?~We did say so.~And we also said, that
1263 Text |               very happy to do so.~We say that we have to work out
1264 Text |               Quite right.~We mean to say, that being has not the
1265 Text |            them together shortly, and say ‘One is,’ that is equivalent
1266 Text |         direction.~What direction?~We say that the one partakes of
1267 Text |         abstract the one which, as we say, partakes of being, and
1268 Text |             from that of which, as we say, it partakes—will this abstract
1269 Text |              said?~Yes.~Then shall we say that the one, being in this
1270 Text |              the same with it?~Let us say so.~Then it is the same
1271 Text |               thing?~Yes.~And you may say the name once or oftener?~
1272 Text |            oftener?~Yes.~And when you say it once, you mention that
1273 Text |              name?~True.~Then when we say that the others are other
1274 Text |             It would.~But what do you say to a new point of view?
1275 Text |               there be?~And do we not say that the others being other
1276 Text |         younger than itself?~I should say not.~And what are its relations
1277 Text |               Of course.~And shall we say that the lesser or the greater
1278 Text |          things?~True.~What would you say of another question? Can
1279 Text |            Yes; that is what we shall say.~But the end comes last,
1280 Text |            nor younger, what shall we say? Shall we say as of being
1281 Text |           what shall we say? Shall we say as of being so also of becoming,
1282 Text |          answer.~But I can venture to say, that even if one thing
1283 Text |            relation to a whole?~So we say.~And a whole must necessarily
1284 Text |             Yes.~And we surely cannot say that what is truly one has
1285 Text |               And suppose a person to say:—If greatness is not, if
1286 Text |            the truth, clearly we must say what is. Am I not right?~
1287 Text |              must also affirm that we say what is?~Certainly.~Then,
1288 Text |               change is motion—we may say that?~Yes, motion.~And the
1289 Text |              follow.~Let us do as you say.~If one is not, we ask what
1290 Text |            them?~Just so.~And when we say that a thing is not, do
1291 Text |             Certainly not.~Nor can we say that it stands, if it is
1292 Text |               Of course.~Then we must say that the one which is not
1293 Text |            the argument in a word and say truly: If one is not, then


Phaedo
     Part
1294 Intro|              Tell this to Evenus; and say that I would have him follow
1295 Intro|               Though I do not mean to say that he who contemplates
1296 Intro|            and simple answer.’ We may say, not only that the odd excludes
1297 Intro|             service of theology, they say, like the companions of
1298 Intro|            end to the means? Shall we say with Aristotle, that the
1299 Intro|               educational; that is to say, they are not intended to
1300 Intro|           Laws.)~9. But some one will say: That we cannot reason from
1301 Intro|         divine perfection, we mean to say that God is just and true
1302 Intro|               mind. Some persons will say no more than that they trust
1303 Intro|             witnesses of such scenes, say that under ordinary circumstances
1304 Intro|                When Simmias and Cebes say that they are more strongly
1305 Intro|              philosophy. And we might say in the same way that we
1306 Intro|           parallel, as Socrates would say, is not perfect, but agrees
1307 Intro|              as the tragic poet would say, the voice of fate calls;’
1308 Text |          about his death. What did he say in his last hours? We were
1309 Text |            well tell me what I should say to him:—he wanted to know
1310 Text |             bid him be of good cheer; say that I would have him come
1311 Text |              going, for the Athenians say that I must.~Simmias said:
1312 Text |             companion of his I should say that, as far as I know him,
1313 Text |          remained sitting.~Why do you say, enquired Cebes, that a
1314 Text |              and there are others who say the same, although I have
1315 Text |               to be truth in what you say. And yet how can you reconcile
1316 Text |           there is reason in what you say. And so you think that I
1317 Text |              has long been wishing to say something to me.~Only this,
1318 Text |             quite well what you would say, replied Crito; but I was
1319 Text |             they hear your words will say how truly you have described
1320 Text |          people at home will likewise say that the life which philosophers
1321 Text |             nature needs? What do you say?~I should say that the true
1322 Text |             What do you say?~I should say that the true philosopher
1323 Text |           despise them.~Would you not say that he is entirely concerned
1324 Text |             true.~What again shall we say of the actual acquirement
1325 Text |       hinderer or a helper? I mean to say, have sight and hearing
1326 Text |               of true being?~What you say has a wonderful truth in
1327 Text |              we not found,’ they will say, ‘a path of thought which
1328 Text |          foolery, and in fact, as men say, takes away from us the
1329 Text |               desire, and of which we say that we are lovers, not
1330 Text |             gods. For ‘many,’ as they say in the mysteries, ‘are the
1331 Text |              greater part of what you say. But in what concerns the
1332 Text |               Socrates, that what you say is true. But surely it requires
1333 Text |        similar alternation; I mean to say, for example, that anything
1334 Text |             from the dead?~I can only say in answer—the living.~Then
1335 Text |           hear what you were going to say.~This is what I would say,
1336 Text |             say.~This is what I would say, he replied:—We should agree,
1337 Text |           absolute equality? Shall we say so?~Say so, yes, replied
1338 Text |            equality? Shall we say so?~Say so, yes, replied Simmias,
1339 Text |            idea of equality?~I should say, clearly not, Socrates.~
1340 Text |              true.~But what would you say of equal portions of wood
1341 Text |        previous time?~Yes.~That is to say, before we were born, I
1342 Text |            his knowledge? What do you say?~Certainly, he will.~But
1343 Text |             nonsense.~Then may we not say, Simmias, that if, as we
1344 Text |            else—are these essences, I say, liable at times to some
1345 Text |             Cebes.~And what would you say of the many beautiful—whether
1346 Text |             of perception, that is to say, when using the sense of
1347 Text |        quitting the body, as the many say? That can never be, my dear
1348 Text |               Certainly—~That soul, I say, herself invisible, departs
1349 Text |              for ever dwells, as they say of the initiated, in company
1350 Text |              and fashioning the body, say farewell to all this; they
1351 Text |       considering some other matter I say no more, but if you are
1352 Text |              doubt do not hesitate to say exactly what you think,
1353 Text |             Socrates answered: I dare say, my friend, that you may
1354 Text |             and the lyre—might he not say that harmony is a thing
1355 Text |              cannot imagine, he would say, that the lyre without the
1356 Text |           also hear what Cebes has to say that we may gain time for
1357 Text |           there is truth in what they say, or if not, we will maintain
1358 Text |            ingeniously, and, if I may say so, quite sufficiently proven;
1359 Text |               any one may very fairly say in like manner that the
1360 Text |              he replied, as you might say of the very large and very
1361 Text |          there I was led on by you to say more than I had intended;
1362 Text |              arguments at all. Rather say that we have not yet attained
1363 Text |               argument. For if what I say is true, then I do well
1364 Text |               never allow yourself to say that a harmony is prior
1365 Text |               what you imply when you say that the soul existed before
1366 Text |               you, he said.~I mean to say that a harmony admits of
1367 Text |              the soul to be a harmony say of this presence of virtue
1368 Text |           vice in the soul?—will they say that here is another harmony,
1369 Text |              be asserted by those who say that the soul is a harmony.~
1370 Text |               to us; but what shall I say, Cebes, to her husband Cadmus,
1371 Text |               can prove this; and you say that the demonstration of
1372 Text |               times, does not, as you say, make any difference in
1373 Text |             subtract: I mean what you say that I mean.~Socrates paused
1374 Text |               and if anything which I say is likely to avail towards
1375 Text |              to hear what you have to say.~Then I will tell you, said
1376 Text |            and the bones, as he would say, are hard and have joints
1377 Text |         posture—that is what he would say, and he would have a similar
1378 Text |           execute my purposes. But to say that I do as I do because
1379 Text |            truth of existence. I dare say that the simile is not perfect—
1380 Text |          absolute beauty—and I should say the same of everything.
1381 Text |         manner you would be afraid to say that ten exceeded eight
1382 Text |             reason of, two; but would say by, and by reason of, number;
1383 Text |              of, number; or you would say that two cubits exceed one
1384 Text |            way to make one. You would say: I will let alone puzzles
1385 Text |                will certainly do as I say.~What you say is most true,
1386 Text |       certainly do as I say.~What you say is most true, said Simmias
1387 Text |            speaking; and yet when you say that Simmias is greater
1388 Text |               examples: would you not say, for example, that three
1389 Text |           contain opposites; these, I say, likewise reject the idea
1390 Text |               diseased,’ you will not say from disease, but from fever;
1391 Text |              of odd numbers, you will say that the monad is the cause
1392 Text |          things in general, as I dare say that you will understand
1393 Text |              Yes, he said.~And may we say that this has been proven?~
1394 Text |            the cold. Yet a person may say: ‘But although the odd will
1395 Text |            anything which he wants to say or to have said.~But I have
1396 Text |            But I have nothing more to say, replied Simmias; nor can
1397 Text |              For after death, as they say, the genius of each individual,
1398 Text |               the river, as the poets say, is Cocytus.~Such is the
1399 Text |             man of sense ought not to say, nor will I be very confident,
1400 Text |             is exactly true. But I do say that, inasmuch as the soul
1401 Text |            out the tale. Wherefore, I say, let a man be of good cheer
1402 Text |              as the tragic poet would say, the voice of fate calls.
1403 Text |              us, Socrates—anything to say about your children, or
1404 Text |             sorrow at my hard lot, or say at the burial, Thus we lay
1405 Text |              then, my dear Crito, and say that you are burying my
1406 Text |                Please then to do as I say, and not to refuse me.~Crito
1407 Text |             cup and said: What do you say about making a libation
1408 Text |           concerning whom I may truly say, that of all the men of


Phaedrus
     Part
1409 Intro|            and wants to make Socrates say that nothing was or ever
1410 Intro|            non-lover? He has said his say and is preparing to go away.~
1411 Intro|           Among ourselves,’ as we may say, a little parodying the
1412 Intro|               might have something to say for himself. Might he not
1413 Intro|             company. Better, he would say, a ‘little love at the beginning,’
1414 Intro|                in conclusion, he will say, is friendship, which does
1415 Intro|               their parable again and say:—that there were two loves,
1416 Intro|               rebuke’ us—would he not say that we are putting ‘in
1417 Intro|        practise without being able to say who were their instructors’—
1418 Intro|              judgment.’ What would he say of the Church, which we
1419 Intro|            taught.’ Socrates means to say, that what is truly written
1420 Intro|               one had anything new to say, or any conviction of truth.
1421 Intro|               relief or light. We may say that this, like several
1422 Intro|             every other, we may truly say in a fuller sense than formerly
1423 Text |              higher import,’ as I may say in the words of Pindar, ‘
1424 Text |             him! I wish that he would say the poor man rather than
1425 Text |              PHAEDRUS: I will do as I say; but believe me, Socrates,
1426 Text |            are in the country, as you say, you really are like some
1427 Text |           gratify the beloved? If you say that the lover is more to
1428 Text |         greater; for he is willing to say and do what is hateful to
1429 Text |            things to come.~Further, I say that you are likely to be
1430 Text |             showing how well he could say the same thing in two or
1431 Text |              a prose writer. Why do I say so? Why, because I perceive
1432 Text |          earnest desire. Only, as you say, promise to make another
1433 Text |             The worst of authors will say something which is to the
1434 Text |           there is reason in what you say, and I too will be reasonable,
1435 Text |               other arguments, then I say again, that a statue you
1436 Text |              a farce, or compel me to say to you as you said to me, ‘
1437 Text |    irresistible.~SOCRATES: Then don’t say it.~PHAEDRUS: Yes, but I
1438 Text |             word shall be an oath. ‘I say, or rather swear’—but what
1439 Text |              discourse has no more to say.~PHAEDRUS: Then why are
1440 Text |          ashamed and not know what to say.~PHAEDRUS: Only go on and
1441 Text |            the unspoken, I had better say further that the irrational
1442 Text |        kindred—that supreme desire, I say, which by leading conquers
1443 Text |            him great harm. That is to say, in his excessive fear lest
1444 Text |             sum up all that I have to say in a word, and pass on.
1445 Text |            their composition. You may say that a courtesan is hurtful,
1446 Text |             deficient. And now I will say no more; there has been
1447 Text |             standing still, as people say, in the meridian. Let us
1448 Text |             mean?~SOCRATES: I mean to say that as I was about to cross
1449 Text |              my own use, as you might say of a bad writer—his writing
1450 Text |           SOCRATES: It was foolish, I say,—to a certain extent, impious;
1451 Text |               a god?~PHAEDRUS: So men say.~SOCRATES: But that was
1452 Text |      agreeable to me than to hear you say so.~SOCRATES: Only think,
1453 Text |             censure?~PHAEDRUS: I dare say not, Socrates.~SOCRATES:
1454 Text |              by the help of art—he, I say, and his poetry are not
1455 Text |               the lover has a word to say to the charioteer; he would
1456 Text |             the prayer, Socrates, and say with you, if this be for
1457 Text |           down at us. What would they say if they saw that we, like
1458 Text |            not exactly that; I should say rather that I have heard
1459 Text |             would have allowed you to say as you did, that he is an
1460 Text |             into his head, but I dare say that you would recognize
1461 Text |                SOCRATES: Well, I will say no more about your friend’
1462 Text |           SOCRATES: You should rather say ‘madly;’ and madness was
1463 Text |             mean?~SOCRATES: I mean to say that the composition was
1464 Text |               said all that I have to say of the art of rhetoric:
1465 Text |               father Acumenus, and to say to him: ‘I know how to apply
1466 Text |               suppose that they would say?~PHAEDRUS: They would be
1467 Text |        himself’?~PHAEDRUS: They would say in reply that he is a madman
1468 Text |            Sophocles or Euripides and say that he knows how to make
1469 Text |              such an one he would not say to him savagely, ‘Fool,
1470 Text |                And will not Sophocles say to the display of the would-be
1471 Text |        tragedy? and will not Acumenus say the same of medicine to
1472 Text |               of day, what would they say? Instead of losing temper
1473 Text |              and Socrates, they would say; you should not be in such
1474 Text |            and such persons,’ he will say, are affected by this or
1475 Text |          knows that it is he, and can say to himself, ‘This is the
1476 Text |               he has learned;—when, I say, he knows the times and
1477 Text |                Well, the teacher will say, is this, Phaedrus and Socrates,
1478 Text |            hearing’?~PHAEDRUS: Do you say what can be said for him.~
1479 Text |             whole attention. And they say also that there are cases
1480 Text |              probability in view, and say good-bye to the truth. And
1481 Text |               of rhetoric do actually say, Socrates. I have not forgotten
1482 Text |       all-important.~SOCRATES: I dare say that you are familiar with
1483 Text |               lies: the coward should say that he was assaulted by
1484 Text |              has discovered. Shall we say a word to him or not?~PHAEDRUS:
1485 Text |               PHAEDRUS: What shall we say to him?~SOCRATES: Let us
1486 Text |               he has anything else to say about the art of speaking
1487 Text |          order that he may be able to say what is acceptable to God
1488 Text |               Truly, the argument may say, Tisias, that if you do
1489 Text |            you would tell me what you say that you have heard.~SOCRATES:
1490 Text |             will do the other, as you say, only in play.~SOCRATES:
1491 Text |              to him, whatever men may say. For not to know the nature
1492 Text |              to all of them we are to say that if their compositions


Philebus
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1493 Intro|          pleasure. Nor are we able to say how far Plato in the Philebus
1494 Intro|             of change or division. To say that the verb of existence
1495 Intro|               Orpheus: Plato means to say that a sixth class, if there
1496 Intro|              in the Philebus, than to say how much is due to each
1497 Intro|       universe? All philosophers will say the first, and yet, perhaps,
1498 Intro|             figure at a distance, and say first of all, ‘This is a
1499 Intro|              This is a man,’ and then say, ‘No, this is an image made
1500 Intro|            pleasure still,—that is to say, false pleasure; and only