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(...) Philebus
Part
1501 Intro| the right track. They will say, that the nature of anything
1502 Intro| to be a generation; they say that there are two natures—
1503 Intro| analogy of pleasure, we may say that the philosophical use
1504 Intro| Socrates, I have heard Gorgias say that rhetoric is the greatest
1505 Intro| necessary.’ And what shall we say about the rest? First, ask
1506 Intro| class, I have no more to say. Thus, pleasure and mind
1507 Intro| their consequences only; we say further that mankind are
1508 Intro| so Christian, as we may say without exaggeration,—and
1509 Intro| few exceptions—that is to say, Bentham and his followers—
1510 Intro| and evil. We should hardly say that a good man could be
1511 Intro| meanest of mankind?’ If we say ‘Not pleasure, not virtue,
1512 Intro| non-detection of an immoral act, say of telling a lie, which
1513 Intro| their unhappiness. Unless we say not only that all right
1514 Intro| contemplate them. Nor do we say that one of these aspects
1515 Intro| blasphemy’ of those who say that Chaos and Chance Medley
1516 Text | means.~SOCRATES: And you say that pleasure, and I say
1517 Text | say that pleasure, and I say that wisdom, is such a state?~
1518 Text | SOCRATES: And what do you say, Philebus?~PHILEBUS: I say,
1519 Text | say, Philebus?~PHILEBUS: I say, and shall always say, that
1520 Text | I say, and shall always say, that pleasure is easily
1521 Text | unlike forms. For do we not say that the intemperate has
1522 Text | a new predicate, for you say that all pleasant things
1523 Text | Protarchus, and so we are to say (are we?) that there is
1524 Text | SOCRATES: Why, I mean to say, that in self-defence I
1525 Text | this difficulty, I were to say (as you are saying of pleasure)
1526 Text | one and many, which I may say that everybody has by this
1527 Text | PROTARCHUS: How?~SOCRATES: We say that the one and many become
1528 Text | by numbers ought, as they say, to be called rhythms and
1529 Text | every one and many;—when, I say, you have learned all this,
1530 Text | definite number, and now I say conversely, that he who
1531 Text | the question which, as you say, you have been so long asking?~
1532 Text | should know himself. Why do I say so at this moment? I will
1533 Text | disposal. And now, as children say, what has been fairly given
1534 Text | controversy.~SOCRATES: If you say that, I have nothing to
1535 Text | SOCRATES: What would you say, Protarchus, to both of
1536 Text | and is laid low. I must say that mind would have fallen
1537 Text | good friend?~SOCRATES: I say that a fourth class is still
1538 Text | true.~SOCRATES: Ever, as we say, into the hotter and the
1539 Text | their opposites, that is to say, first of all, equality,
1540 Text | limited or finite; what do you say?~PROTARCHUS: Excellent,
1541 Text | and order, whereby, as you say, Philebus, she torments,
1542 Text | understand you: you mean to say that the infinite is one
1543 Text | dispute?~PROTARCHUS: I dare say.~SOCRATES: We said, if you
1544 Text | SOCRATES: And what shall we say, Philebus, of your life
1545 Text | spokesman, and then we shall not say anything wrong or disrespectful
1546 Text | heavens; and never will I say or think otherwise.~SOCRATES:
1547 Text | SOCRATES: Right; and you would say the same, if I am not mistaken,
1548 Text | of wisdom;—we cannot, I say, imagine that whereas the
1549 Text | nature of Zeus would you not say that there is the soul and
1550 Text | mean?~SOCRATES: I mean to say that their natural seat
1551 Text | am attending.~SOCRATES: I say that when the harmony in
1552 Text | PROTARCHUS: Granted; what you say has a general truth.~SOCRATES:
1553 Text | of good.~PROTARCHUS: You say most truly that this is
1554 Text | dissolution. And mind what you say: I ask whether any animal
1555 Text | not. And I should like to say a few words about it.~PROTARCHUS:
1556 Text | PROTARCHUS: What have you to say?~SOCRATES: Why, you know
1557 Text | Quite true.~SOCRATES: When I say oblivious, do not suppose
1558 Text | the shocks of the body, say unconsciousness.~PROTARCHUS:
1559 Text | There is a reason why I say all this.~PROTARCHUS: What
1560 Text | we mean anything when we say ‘a man thirsts’?~PROTARCHUS:
1561 Text | Yes.~SOCRATES: We mean to say that he ‘is empty’?~PROTARCHUS:
1562 Text | drink.~SOCRATES: Would you say of drink, or of replenishment
1563 Text | drink?~PROTARCHUS: I should say, of replenishment with drink.~
1564 Text | SOCRATES: And what would you say of the intermediate state?~
1565 Text | has them not. May we not say of him, that he is in an
1566 Text | Certainly.~SOCRATES: Would you say that he was wholly pained
1567 Text | PROTARCHUS: Nay, I should say that he has two pains; in
1568 Text | SOCRATES: Whether we ought to say that the pleasures and pains
1569 Text | do.~SOCRATES: Would you say that no one ever seemed
1570 Text | erroneous, might we not say that the opinion, being
1571 Text | misled, and then he will say—‘No, it is a figure made
1572 Text | also?~PROTARCHUS: I should say in relation to all times
1573 Text | much.~SOCRATES: When you say, ‘Very much,’ you mean to
1574 Text | SOCRATES: And may we not say that the good, being friends
1575 Text | mean?~SOCRATES: I mean to say that a man must be admitted
1576 Text | PROTARCHUS: Very true; that is to say, if there are such pleasures.~
1577 Text | illusory, and you will never say that the corresponding excess
1578 Text | what the wise tell us; for, say they, all things are ever
1579 Text | SOCRATES: To them we will say: ‘Good; but are we, or living
1580 Text | PROTARCHUS: What?~SOCRATES: If we say that the great changes produce
1581 Text | third which is neither; what say you?~PROTARCHUS: I should
1582 Text | you?~PROTARCHUS: I should say as you do that there are
1583 Text | as we know, persons who say and think so.~PROTARCHUS:
1584 Text | from pain?~PROTARCHUS: They say so.~SOCRATES: And they must
1585 Text | think or they would not say that they have pleasure.~
1586 Text | Indeed!~SOCRATES: They say that what the school of
1587 Text | imagine that they would say something of this sort;
1588 Text | most intense. For, as I say, we have to discover what
1589 Text | whether you see, I will not say more, but more intense and
1590 Text | kind, Socrates, I should say.~SOCRATES: I did not introduce
1591 Text | indeed.~SOCRATES: He will say of himself, and others will
1592 Text | himself, and others will say of him, that he is dying
1593 Text | SOCRATES: Do you mean to say that I must make the division
1594 Text | Undoubtedly.~SOCRATES: Did we not say that ignorance was always
1595 Text | are powerful: May we not say, as I was saying before,
1596 Text | any one can deny what you say, Socrates, however eager
1597 Text | pure tone, then I mean to say that they are not relatively
1598 Text | SOCRATES: But what do you say of another question:—have
1599 Text | Yet a third time I must say, Be a little plainer, Socrates.~
1600 Text | proceeds, my boy, I dare say that the meaning will become
1601 Text | Very right; and would you say that generation is for the
1602 Text | were pleasure; and they say that they would not wish
1603 Text | in our being compelled to say that he who has a feeling
1604 Text | them?~SOCRATES: I mean to say, that if arithmetic, mensuration,
1605 Text | Undoubtedly there is, as you say, a great difference among
1606 Text | exact calculation, shall we say of either of the pairs that
1607 Text | PROTARCHUS: Certainly; and let us say in reply, that those arts
1608 Text | him.~SOCRATES: You mean to say that you would like to desert,
1609 Text | then we shall be able to say whether the science of which
1610 Text | than this.~SOCRATES: Do you say so because you observe that
1611 Text | true.~SOCRATES: And can we say that any of these things
1612 Text | point?~SOCRATES: Let us say that the stable and pure
1613 Text | possess or acquire,—I will not say pleasure, however abundant
1614 Text | useful always; and if we say of pleasures in like manner
1615 Text | PROTARCHUS: What shall we say about them, and what course
1616 Text | take up our parable and say: Do you wish to have the
1617 Text | Why, Socrates,’ they will say, ‘how can we? seeing that
1618 Text | SOCRATES: And may we not say with reason that we are
1619 Text | aright.~PROTARCHUS: I dare say.~SOCRATES: And would you
1620 Text | also better, I went on to say that if there was anything
Protagoras
Part
1621 Intro| degree, and are obliged to say that they have them, whether
1622 Intro| Protagoras would rather say that justice is different
1623 Intro| favourite weapon; that is to say, he makes a long speech
1624 Intro| to this; he would rather say that ‘some pleasures are
1625 Intro| all other men, is bound to say “that wisdom and knowledge
1626 Intro| Aristotelian distinction, and say that virtue is not knowledge,
1627 Intro| nothing. Plato means to say that virtue is not brought
1628 Text | some wise one?~SOCRATES: Say rather, with the wisest
1629 Text | have answered?~I should say, he replied, that I gave
1630 Text | object some one were to say to us: Tell me, Socrates,
1631 Text | tell.~Then I proceeded to say: Well, but are you aware
1632 Text | In the evening, as you say, you hear of him, and in
1633 Text | keeping.~When he heard me say this, he replied: No other
1634 Text | have heard what he has to say, we may take counsel of
1635 Text | opening: Did you not hear me say that he is not at home,
1636 Text | Alcibiades the beautiful, as you say, and I believe you; and
1637 Text | therefore I hope, as I may say, by the favour of heaven
1638 Text | with you. I have no more to say.~Protagoras answered: Young
1639 Text | all wonder at hearing you say this; even at your age,
1640 Text | to you, and had heard him say, as he has heard you say,
1641 Text | say, as he has heard you say, that every day he would
1642 Text | the Theban, and heard him say the same thing, and asked
1643 Text | on his account. When you say that on the first day on
1644 Text | When Protagoras heard me say this, he replied: You ask
1645 Text | communicated by man to man. I say that the Athenians are an
1646 Text | everybody is free to have a say—carpenter, tinker, cobbler,
1647 Text | be something in what you say, because I know that you
1648 Text | distributed; that is to say, to a favoured few only,
1649 Text | interferes, then, as you say, they object, if he be not
1650 Text | deem to be madness. They say that all men ought to profess
1651 Text | families—those things, I say, they are supposed not to
1652 Text | being said to him: he cannot say or do anything without their
1653 Text | and the laws;—suppose, I say, that there were the same
1654 Text | to his ability; and you say Where are the teachers?
1655 Text | artists. As yet I ought not to say the same of Paralus and
1656 Text | larger or smaller?~I should say that they differed, Socrates,
1657 Text | suppose that he went on to say: ‘Well now, is there also
1658 Text | be a thing—should we not say so?~He assented.~‘And is
1659 Text | such a question, and should say, ‘Peace, man; nothing can
1660 Text | not holy.’ What would you say? Would you not answer in
1661 Text | supposing that he proceeded to say further, ‘Then holiness
1662 Text | holiness is just; and I would say in like manner on your behalf
1663 Text | to be proven: I mean to say that the conclusion will
1664 Text | Protagoras? What else would you say?~He assented, but with great
1665 Text | will only answer me and say whether you are of their
1666 Text | and gently said:—~When you say, Protagoras, that things
1667 Text | you by others and as you say of yourself, are able to
1668 Text | and every man ought to say what he thinks.~When Alcibiades
1669 Text | Critias, I believe—went on to say: O Prodicus and Hippias,
1670 Text | by both of you. Do as I say. And let me also persuade
1671 Text | choosing him? And if you say, ‘Let us have a better then,’—
1672 Text | better, and whom you only say is better, to put another
1673 Text | not the poet proceed to say, ‘I do not agree with the
1674 Text | all I wish that you would say whether, in your opinion,
1675 Text | himself. Pittacus does not say as Simonides says, that
1676 Text | inconsistent with himself. I dare say that Prodicus and many others
1677 Text | Prodicus and many others would say, as Hesiod says,~‘On the
1678 Text | made such a mistake as to say that virtue, which in the
1679 Text | as a term of praise. If I say that Protagoras or any one
1680 Text | he cannot surely mean to say that to be good is evil,
1681 Text | he afterwards proceeds to say that God only has this gift,
1682 Text | Nothing too much.’~Why do I say all this? I am explaining
1683 Text | of the poem, wanting to say only that to become good
1684 Text | was not so ignorant as to say that he praised those who
1685 Text | words he does not mean to say that all things are good
1686 Text | evil in them, as you might say ‘All things are white which
1687 Text | ridiculous; but he means to say that he accepts and finds
1688 Text | Protagoras would not distinctly say which he would do. Thereupon
1689 Text | Protagoras is fair in refusing to say whether he will or will
1690 Text | different statement. For I dare say that you may have said what
1691 Text | Yes, he said; I should say the best of all things,
1692 Text | diving into a well?~I should say, the divers.~And the reason
1693 Text | asked me, I certainly did say that the courageous are
1694 Text | strong are able, and I should say ‘Yes’; and then whether
1695 Text | body. And in like manner I say of confidence and courage,
1696 Text | I am rather disposed to say that things are good in
1697 Text | pleasure, I am minded to say to you: Uncover your mind
1698 Text | all other men, am bound to say that wisdom and knowledge
1699 Text | do what is best. When we say to them: Friends, you are
1700 Text | opinion of the many, who just say anything that happens to
1701 Text | indulge in them, would you not say that they were overcome
1702 Text | again: ‘In what way do you say that they are evil,—in that
1703 Text | assented.~Then I should say to them, in my name and
1704 Text | opposite point of view, and say: ‘Friends, when you speak
1705 Text | consequences:—If what you say is true, then the argument
1706 Text | pleasure; or again, when you say that a man knowingly refuses
1707 Text | Assuming this, let us go on to say that a man does evil knowing
1708 Text | answer, then, we shall only say that he is overcome. ‘By
1709 Text | worthy, then he who, as we say, was overcome by pleasure,
1710 Text | what do you mean,’ he will say, ‘but that you choose the
1711 Text | pain for good and evil, and say, not as before, that a man
1712 Text | and weigh them, and then say which outweighs the other.
1713 Text | with me.~Well then, I shall say, if you agree so far, be
1714 Text | Well then, my friends, I say to them; seeing that the
1715 Text | whether he is disposed to say pleasurable, delightful,
1716 Text | my friends, what do you say to this? Are not all actions
1717 Text | danger?~Yes, Socrates, so men say.~Very true, I said. But
1718 Text | know against what do you say that the courageous are
1719 Text | two are they who, as you say, are unwilling to go to
1720 Text | cowardice or courage?~I should say cowardice, he replied.~And
1721 Text | I will gratify you, and say, that this appears to me
The Republic
Book
1722 1 | is something in what they say; not, however, so much as
1723 1 | blessing of riches, I do not say to every man, but to a good
1724 1 | contributes; and therefore I say, that, setting one thing
1725 1 | back to him? No one would say that I ought or that I should
1726 1 | any more than they would say that I ought always to speak
1727 1 | argument, what did Simonides say, and according to you, truly
1728 1 | according to you, truly say, about justice? ~He said
1729 1 | you would imagine him to say? ~Yes. ~And are enemies
1730 1 | proper to him-that is to say, evil. ~Simonides, then,
1731 1 | for he really meant to say that justice is the giving
1732 1 | Precisely. ~That is to say, justice is useful when
1733 1 | not to use them, you would say that justice is useful;
1734 1 | not now know what I did say; but I still stand by the
1735 1 | corrected? ~We should rather say that he is a friend who
1736 1 | enemies, we should further say: It is just to do good to
1737 1 | Deteriorated, that is to say, in the good qualities of
1738 1 | I think that what you say is quite true, Socrates. ~
1739 1 | he owes to his enemies-to say this is not wise; for it
1740 1 | power, was the first to say that justice is "doing good
1741 1 | under to one another? I say that if you want really
1742 1 | now I will not have you say that justice is duty or
1743 1 | many pieces of gold, do you say that we are weakly yielding
1744 1 | question, am I falsely to say some other number which
1745 1 | is asked, ought he not to say what he thinks, whether
1746 1 | interdicted answers? ~I dare say that I may, notwithstanding
1747 1 | replied. Justice, as you say, is the interest of the
1748 1 | this? You cannot mean to say that because Polydamas,
1749 1 | that is what I mean when I say that in all States there
1750 1 | some sort, but you go on to say "of the stronger"; about
1751 1 | own injury. For if, as you say, justice is the obedience
1752 1 | of the mistake? True, we say that the physician or arithmetician
1753 1 | lover of accuracy, we should say that the ruler, in so far
1754 1 | And the pilot-that is to say, the true pilot-is he a
1755 1 | hearing-has art in itself, I say, any similar liability to
1756 1 | remaining true-that is to say, while perfect and unimpaired.
1757 1 | the sheep. ~What makes you say that? I replied. ~Because
1758 1 | another's good; that is to say, the interest of the ruler
1759 1 | most miserable-that is to say tyranny, which by fraud
1760 1 | from not knowing what you say you know, is to you a matter
1761 1 | rulers in States, that is to say, the true rulers, like being
1762 1 | dear illustrious friend, do say what you think, that we
1763 1 | would not be inclined to say, would you? that navigation
1764 1 | receives pay you would not say that the art of payment
1765 1 | should not. ~Nor would you say that medicine is the art
1766 1 | beginning and answer me. You say that perfect injustice is
1767 1 | justice? ~Yes, that is what I say, and I have given you my
1768 1 | What else then would you say? ~The opposite, he replied. ~
1769 1 | vice? ~No, I would rather say sublime simplicity. ~Then
1770 1 | malignity? ~No; I would rather say discretion. ~And do the
1771 1 | foolish? ~Yes. ~And you would say the same sort of thing of
1772 1 | course. ~And what would you say of the physician? In prescribing
1773 1 | knowledge. Would he not rather say or do the same as his like
1774 1 | or the ignorant? ~I dare say. ~And the knowing is wise? ~
1775 1 | both? ~Yes. ~But did we not say, Thrasymachus, that the
1776 1 | either permit me to have my say out, or if you would rather
1777 1 | answer "Very good," as they say to story-telling old women,
1778 1 | person, would your wisdom say that she loses or that she
1779 1 | question: Would you not say that a horse has some end? ~
1780 1 | purpose? ~True. ~May we not say that this is the end of
1781 1 | cannot see? ~You mean to say, if they have lost their
1782 1 | Certainly, he replied. ~I might say the same of the ears; when
1783 1 | not a virtue, nor can I say whether the just man is
1784 2 | of the just-if what they say is true, Socrates, since
1785 2 | censuring injustice. Will you say whether you approve of my
1786 2 | he replied, to hear you say so, and shall begin by speaking,
1787 2 | origin of justice. ~They say that to do injustice is,
1788 2 | have been supposing, will say that they are right. If
1789 2 | you are not. Therefore I say that in the perfectly unjust
1790 2 | the just. ~I was going to say something in answer to Glaucon,
1791 2 | which the heavens, as they say, rain upon the pious; and
1792 2 | the posterity, as they say, of the faithful and just
1793 2 | by law and opinion. They say also that honesty is for
1794 2 | virtue and the gods: they say that the gods apportion
1795 2 | binding heaven, as they say, to execute their will.
1796 2 | Probably the youth will say to himself in the words
1797 2 | my days?" ~For what men say is that, if I am really
1798 2 | are the very persons who say that they may be influenced
1799 2 | greatest of evils. I dare say that Thrasymachus and others
1800 2 | add on the false, we shall say that you do not praise justice,
1801 2 | better. And therefore, I say, not only prove to us that
1802 2 | difficulty in knowing what to say. For I am in a strait between
1803 2 | of creation also. ~I dare say. ~When the State is completed
1804 2 | way; and when I hear you say this, I am myself reminded
1805 2 | found anywhere else. ~I dare say that you are right in your
1806 2 | am afraid that what you say is true, he replied. ~Here
1807 2 | mean? he said. ~I mean to say that there do exist natures
1808 2 | replied. ~And may we not say confidently of man also,
1809 2 | we must not permit him to say that these are the works
1810 2 | we are seeking: he must say that God did what was just
1811 2 | is not to be permitted to say; though he may say that
1812 2 | permitted to say; though he may say that the wicked are miserable
1813 2 | how certain gods, as they say, "Go about by night in the
1814 2 | phantom of himself? ~I cannot say, he replied. ~Do you not
1815 2 | mankind least like; -that, I say, is what they utterly detest. ~
1816 2 | our idea of God? ~I should say not. ~Or perhaps he may
1817 3 | who hears them. I do not say that these horrible stories
1818 3 | the gods, as to make him say - ~"O heavens! with my eyes
1819 3 | may arise in his mind to say and do the like. And instead
1820 3 | less of the gods, as you say, he replied. ~Then we shall
1821 3 | which follow? Would you say that these, or any similar
1822 3 | to make the wisest of men say that nothing in his opinion
1823 3 | hunger"? ~What would you say again to the tale of Zeus,
1824 3 | as I do, I hardly like to say that in attributing these
1825 3 | true. ~And what shall we say about men? That is clearly
1826 3 | mistaken, we shall have to say that about men; poets and
1827 3 | command them to sing and say the opposite. ~To be sure
1828 3 | person of another, may we not say that he assimilates his
1829 3 | and that you may no more say, "I don't understand," I
1830 3 | profess a care and of whom we say that they ought to be good
1831 3 | when he has anything to say, and that another sort will
1832 3 | out of Homer, that is to say, his style will be both
1833 3 | expression in words? No one can say anything except in one or
1834 3 | already what we ought to say about them, if we are to
1835 3 | for I cannot at the moment say what they should be; though
1836 3 | of temperance; these, I say, leave. ~And these, he replied,
1837 3 | Certainly not. ~But what do you say to flute-makers and flute-players?
1838 3 | the foot and melody. To say what these rhythms are will
1839 3 | imitations I am unable to say. ~Then, I said, we must
1840 3 | know? ~Rather so, I should say. ~But there is no difficulty
1841 3 | be possible. What do you say? ~Yes, I agree. ~Then, to
1842 3 | But next, what shall we say of their food; for the men
1843 3 | disgraceful. ~Would you say "most," I replied, when
1844 3 | otherwise; of him we do not say that he has any specially
1845 3 | Asclepius was the son of Apollo, say also that he was bribed
1846 3 | philosophical, some god, as I should say, has given mankind two arts
1847 3 | discovering them. ~I dare say that there will be no difficulty. ~
1848 3 | other places (as the poets say, and have made the world
1849 3 | half. Citizens, we shall say to them in our tale, you
1850 3 | which reasons may we not say that thus shall our State
1851 4 | he, if a person were to say that you are making these
1852 4 | whole beautiful. And so I say to you, do not compel us
1853 4 | but many cities, as they say in the game. For indeed
1854 4 | States, I do not mean to say in reputation or appearance,
1855 4 | of juries, what would you say? there may also arise questions
1856 4 | help believing what they say? ~Nay, he said, certainly
1857 4 | said, I see that what you say is true. ~Let me further
1858 4 | do you mean? ~I mean to say that in reality for a long
1859 4 | Very true. ~Think, now, and say whether you agree with me
1860 4 | course; let us do as you say. ~I proceeded to ask: When
1861 4 | one; whether, that is to say, we learn with one part
1862 4 | and suppose a person to say that one and the same person
1863 4 | object, and should rather say that one part of him is
1864 4 | the same time (and he may say the same of anything which
1865 4 | themselves; we should rather say that they have both an axis
1866 4 | true. ~And what would you say of unwillingness and dislike
1867 4 | simple desire is, as you say, in every case of the simple
1868 4 | might have something to say. ~Nevertheless I should
1869 4 | qualified. I do not mean to say that relatives may not be
1870 4 | as you do. ~Would you not say that thirst is one of these
1871 4 | Impossible. ~No more than you can say that the hands of the archer
1872 4 | same time, but what you say is that one hand pushes
1873 4 | such a case what is one to say? Would you not say that
1874 4 | one to say? Would you not say that there was something
1875 4 | which bids him? ~I should say so. ~And the forbidding
1876 4 | deems to be just, and, as I say, his anger refuses to be
1877 4 | desire, but now we should say quite the contrary; for
1878 4 | Assuredly. ~And would you not say that he is temperate who
1879 4 | Most certainly not. ~May we say so, then? ~Let us say so. ~
1880 4 | we say so, then? ~Let us say so. ~And now, I said, injustice
1881 4 | the question is, as you say, ridiculous. Still, as we
1882 5 | kinds. Please, therefore, to say what sort of community you
1883 5 | must retrace my steps and say what I perhaps ought to
1884 5 | our opponents. They will say: "Socrates and Glaucon,
1885 5 | contradiction! ~Why do you say so? ~Because I think that
1886 5 | art or pursuit, we should say that such pursuit or art
1887 5 | By all means. ~Let us say to him: Come now, and we
1888 5 | respect, did you mean to say that one man will acquire
1889 5 | yet on the whole what you say is true. ~And if so, my
1890 5 | What is it? ~Would you say that all men are equal in
1891 5 | and may we not further say that our guardians are the
1892 5 | about women, which we may say that we have now escaped;
1893 5 | the rulers; for we shall say that he is raising up a
1894 5 | the part affected, and we say that the man has a pain
1895 5 | remember. ~And what do you say, now that the life of our
1896 5 | to consult me, I should say to him: Stay where you are,
1897 5 | By all means, I should say. ~And he who allows himself
1898 5 | shall crown him. What do you say? ~I approve. ~And what do
1899 5 | approve. ~And what do you say to his receiving the right
1900 5 | disposed to go further, and say: Let no one whom he has
1901 5 | gloriously in war shall we not say, in the first place, that
1902 5 | with one another we shall say that Hellas is then in a
1903 5 | good. ~But still I must say, Socrates, that if you are
1904 5 | into existence, we need say no more about them; assuming
1905 5 | of the truth? What do you say? ~I agree. ~Then you must
1906 5 | them whom we mean when we say that philosophers are to
1907 5 | explanation. ~Proceed. ~I dare say that you remember, and therefore
1908 5 | hook-nose of another has, you say, a royal look; while he
1909 5 | nothing which you will not say, in order not to lose a
1910 5 | assent. ~And what do you say of lovers of wine? Do you
1911 5 | The whole. ~And may we not say of the philosopher that
1912 5 | object? ~I should certainly say that such a one was dreaming. ~
1913 5 | wide awake. ~And may we not say that the mind of the one
1914 5 | us think of something to say to him. Shall we begin by
1915 5 | more question? Would you say that knowledge is a faculty,
1916 5 | beautiful is the manifold-he, I say, your lover of beautiful
1917 5 | what he hit him, as they say in the puzzle, and upon
1918 5 | are the same, as I dare say you will remember, who listened
1919 6 | replied, is not the word; say rather, "must be affirmed:"
1920 6 | boaster, or a coward-can he, I say, ever be unjust or hard
1921 6 | for they have nothing to say in this new game of which
1922 6 | For any one of us might say, that although in words
1923 6 | strange monsters, not to say utter rogues, and that those
1924 6 | you think that those who say so are wrong? ~I cannot
1925 6 | extraordinary. ~I will. ~Say to him, that, in deeming
1926 6 | you suppose the accuser to say that the greater number
1927 6 | And have we not a right to say in his defence, that the
1928 6 | Certainly. ~And may we not say, Adeimantus, that the most
1929 6 | think, as people so often say, that our youth are corrupted
1930 6 | Are not the public who say these things the greatest
1931 6 | young man's heart, as they say, leap within him? Will any
1932 6 | of God, as we may truly say. ~I quite assent, he replied. ~
1933 6 | What are you going to say? ~Why, that all those mercenary
1934 6 | of the many, that is to say, the opinions of their assemblies;
1935 6 | companionship? Will they not do and say anything to prevent him
1936 6 | reproaches which, as you say, her reprovers utter, who
1937 6 | is certainly what people say. ~Yes; and what else would
1938 6 | anything more which you wish to say? ~Nothing more on that subject,
1939 6 | hard is the good," as men say. ~Still, he said, let the
1940 6 | remark in what I am about to say how boldly and unhesitatingly
1941 6 | said. ~But do you mean to say that this is not the opinion
1942 6 | come into being will anyone say that they must of necessity
1943 6 | best. ~We have. ~And now we say not only that our laws,
1944 6 | or not, it is for you to say. ~Yes, he said, I thought
1945 6 | you have often heard me say, we know so little; and,
1946 6 | but the finer sort of wits say it is knowledge? ~Yes. ~
1947 6 | are obliged after all to say knowledge of the good? ~
1948 6 | True, Socrates; but I must say that one who like you has
1949 6 | but has anyone a right to say positively what he does
1950 6 | right to do that: but he may say what he thinks, as a matter
1951 6 | Very true. ~The many, as we say, are seen but not known,
1952 6 | other senses-you would not say that any of them requires
1953 6 | gods in heaven would you say was the lord of this element?
1954 6 | as you and all mankind say. ~May not the relation of
1955 6 | you surely cannot mean to say that pleasure is the good? ~
1956 6 | point of view? ~You would say, would you not? that the
1957 6 | over the visible. I do not say heaven, lest you should
1958 6 | as hypotheses-that is to say, as steps and points of
1959 6 | rate, I understand you to say that knowledge and being,
1960 7 | possessors of them? Would he not say with Homer, ~"Better to
1961 7 | be ridiculous? Men would say of him that up he went and
1962 7 | must be wrong when they say that they can put a knowledge
1963 7 | eyes. ~They undoubtedly say this, he replied. ~Whereas,
1964 7 | things that are below-if, I say, they had been released
1965 7 | discover? No. ~But what do you say of music, what also entered
1966 7 | he have been? ~I should say a very strange one, if this
1967 7 | one, if this was as you say. ~Can we deny that a warrior
1968 7 | indeed, I should rather say, if he is to be a man at
1969 7 | the inquiry with me, and say "yes" or "no" when I attempt
1970 7 | Explain, he said. ~I mean to say that objects of sense are
1971 7 | suppose a person were to say to them: O my friends, what
1972 7 | reasoning, in which, as you say, there is a unity such as
1973 7 | astronomy the third-what do you say? ~I am strongly inclined
1974 7 | argue. You will very likely say with neither, and that your
1975 7 | And what, then, would you say? ~I should rather say that
1976 7 | you say? ~I should rather say that those who elevate astronomy
1977 7 | things above. And I dare say that if a person were to
1978 7 | sciences-as the Pythagoreans say, and we, Glaucon, agree
1979 7 | and therefore I will only say that these are not the men,
1980 7 | attain to problems-that is to say, they never reach the natural
1981 7 | describe that in like manner. Say, then, what is the nature
1982 7 | reality I cannot venture to say; but you would have seen
1983 7 | deny it? ~And you would say the same of the conception
1984 7 | can do all this, you would say that he knows neither the
1985 7 | herself will have nothing to say against us, and we shall
1986 7 | you please. ~Then I should say that while he is ignorant
1987 7 | when in need, or to do or say anything against them; and
1988 7 | that be enough? ~Would you say six or four years? he asked. ~
1989 7 | or four years? he asked. ~Say five years, I replied; at
1990 7 | been supposed; that is to say, when the true philosopher-kings
1991 8 | replied, we must do as you say. ~Shall we follow our old
1992 8 | And what do the muses say next? ~When discord arose,
1993 8 | just a spendthrift? ~As you say, he seemed to be a ruler,
1994 8 | spendthrift. ~May we not say that this is the drone in
1995 8 | and frankness-a man may say and do what he likes? ~'
1996 8 | Very true. ~May we not say that these desires spend,
1997 8 | Quite true, he said. ~Say then, my friend, in what
1998 8 | people's friend," as they say, "be lost to them." ~Exactly. ~
1999 8 | and he clearly meant to say that they are the wise whom
2000 8 | father's estate. ~You mean to say that the people, from whom