(...) Theaetetus
     Part
2501 Text |               SOCRATES: What shall we say then? When a man has a false
2502 Text |              Then suppose some one to say to us, Theaetetus:—Is it
2503 Text |             exchange in his mind, and say that one real object is
2504 Text |            THEAETETUS: What makes you say so?~SOCRATES: You think,
2505 Text |              is called her opinion. I say, then, that to form an opinion
2506 Text |               did you ever venture to say to yourself that odd is
2507 Text |           them both in his soul, will say and think that the one is
2508 Text |         Parmen.; Euthyd.)). I mean to say, that no one thinks the
2509 Text |               and I agree to what you say.~SOCRATES: If a man has
2510 Text |               THEAETETUS: You mean to say, as I suspected at the time,
2511 Text |               I see.~SOCRATES: Let us say that this tablet is a gift
2512 Text |            the wrong shoe— that is to say, putting the vision of either
2513 Text |             not.~SOCRATES: I meant to say, that when a person knows
2514 Text |             case, in which, as we now say, false opinion may arise,
2515 Text |        explanation, and then you will say so with more reason; for
2516 Text |                Kerh Kerhos); these, I say, being pure and clear, and
2517 Text |     THEAETETUS: No man, Socrates, can say anything truer than that.~
2518 Text |            THEAETETUS: What makes you say so?~SOCRATES: Because I
2519 Text |              perception? Yes, I shall say, with the complacence of
2520 Text |           Socrates.~SOCRATES: He will say: You mean to argue that
2521 Text |         SOCRATES: Well, then, he will say, according to that argument,
2522 Text |             him?~THEAETETUS: I should say that a mistake may very
2523 Text |            the abstract, which, as we say, are recorded on the waxen
2524 Text |            and thus we are obliged to say, either that false opinion
2525 Text |              wits, shall I venture to say what knowing is? for I think
2526 Text |             make a slight change, and say ‘to possess’ knowledge.~
2527 Text |              wear; and then we should say, not that he has, but that
2528 Text |         constructed at home; we might say of him in one sense, that
2529 Text |               image of the doves, and say that the chase after knowledge
2530 Text |               about reading? Shall we say, that although he knows,
2531 Text |          Socrates.~SOCRATES: Shall we say then that he is going to
2532 Text |               SOCRATES: Then shall we say that about names we care
2533 Text |            one by mistake, that is to say, when he thought eleven
2534 Text |              raised disappear. I dare say that you agree with me,
2535 Text |          words. Let us grant what you say—then, according to you,
2536 Text |            excellent friends, he will say, laughing, if a man knows
2537 Text |             progress.’ What are we to say in reply, Theaetetus?~THEAETETUS:
2538 Text |               not know what we are to say.~SOCRATES: Are not his reproaches
2539 Text |              once more, what shall we say that knowledge is?—for we
2540 Text |           SOCRATES: And would you not say that persuading them is
2541 Text |         rational explanation, you may say that his mind is truly exercised,
2542 Text |            them?~THEAETETUS: I should say that we mean all the letters.~
2543 Text |             us assume then, as we now say, that the syllable is a
2544 Text |               the parts. Or would you say that a whole, although formed
2545 Text |               SOCRATES: And would you say that all and the whole are
2546 Text |               case of number:—When we say one, two, three, four, five,
2547 Text |           four, five, six; or when we say twice three, or three times
2548 Text |               and compounds, we shall say that the letters or simple
2549 Text |           perhaps he only intended to say, that when a person was
2550 Text |             perhaps we had better not say so as yet, for were there
2551 Text |        SOCRATES: What, then, shall we say of adding reason or explanation
2552 Text |                what were you going to say just now, when you asked
2553 Text |          brought all that you have to say about knowledge to the birth?~


Timaeus
     Part
2554 Intro|           pretends to have nothing to say against them, he remarks
2555 Intro|               of them led some one to say, perhaps in compliment to
2556 Intro|        replied the priest, ‘I mean to say that you are children; there
2557 Intro|               or younger, and when we say that he ‘was’ or ‘will be,’
2558 Intro|              any external thing; they say the same or the other in
2559 Intro|              intelligible. But we may say, speaking generally, that
2560 Intro|               to be necessary, for we say that all things must be
2561 Intro|               simile aut secundum, as say that Greek physics were
2562 Intro|               a line between them, or say, ‘This is poetry, this is
2563 Intro|             and it would be untrue to say that the Greek, any more
2564 Intro|              thought, or, as we might say, gave law and variety to
2565 Intro|            the other. He means (3) to say that the creation of the
2566 Intro|              eye of faith! And we may say that only by an effort of
2567 Intro|          opposite. If he had meant to say that the earth revolves
2568 Intro|               us. But, as Plato would say, ‘there is no harm in repeating
2569 Intro|         passes a censure on those who say that the Gods have no care
2570 Intro|            the Gods—that is what they say—and they must surely have
2571 Intro|            self-moved,—when reason, I say, is hovering around the
2572 Text |             SOCRATES: And what did we say of their education? Were
2573 Text |               That, again, was as you say.~SOCRATES: And what about
2574 Text |              easy to remember, as you say.~SOCRATES: And do you also
2575 Text |             not know what they do and say in time of war, when they
2576 Text |          lovers of the Athenians, and say that they are in some way
2577 Text |              what he meant. I mean to say, he replied, that in mind
2578 Text |               might have something to say. And now, Socrates, to make
2579 Text |             anything—was the world, I say, always in existence and
2580 Text |       language of probability, we may say that the world became a
2581 Text |             self-moved—when reason, I say, is hovering around the
2582 Text |          other than the soul, he will say the very opposite of the
2583 Text |               eternal essence; for we say that he ‘was,’ he ‘is,’
2584 Text |             number. Moreover, when we say that what has become IS
2585 Text |          their approximations, and to say which of these deities in
2586 Text |            the gods—that is what they say—and they must surely have
2587 Text |             in vain. Thus much let me say however: God invented and
2588 Text |           first compounds. And let me say thus much: I will not now
2589 Text |               each of them is; for to say, with any probability or
2590 Text |           this’ or ‘that,’ but rather say that it is ‘of such a nature’;
2591 Text |          considerations, we may truly say that fire is that part of
2592 Text |              distinct classes, then I say that there certainly are
2593 Text |            mind; if, however, as some say, true opinion differs in
2594 Text |              beholding as in a dream, say of all existence that it
2595 Text |               absence of God; this, I say, was their nature at that
2596 Text |       maintained by us in all that we say that God made them as far
2597 Text |              then we shall be able to say that we have sufficiently
2598 Text |             into one another; this, I say, was an erroneous supposition,
2599 Text |             fiery bodies gather—if, I say, he were to ascend thither,
2600 Text |            and air and earth—these, I say, he separated from their
2601 Text |               and right that I should say a word in turn; for it is
2602 Text |           than the body, that soul, I say, convulses and fills with
2603 Text |            diviner part of us—then, I say, the motions of the stronger,
2604 Text |          being that part which, as we say, dwells at the top of the
2605 Text |             in heaven. And in this we say truly; for the divine power
2606 Text |          wisdom and folly.~We may now say that our discourse about