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Charmides
Part
1 PreF | work, especially of the Theaetetus, Sophist, and Politicus;
2 PreF | Campbell’s editions of the ‘Theaetetus,’ the ‘Sophist,’ and the ‘
3 PreS | later, which appears in the Theaetetus, Philebus, Sophist, Politicus,
4 PreS | the Parmenides and in the Theaetetus; and it is said to be expressed
5 PreS | and the Timaeus, or the Theaetetus and the Sophist, or the
Cratylus
Part
6 Intro| Heracleiteans, whom here, as in the Theaetetus, he delights to ridicule.
7 Intro| he describes, as in the Theaetetus, the philosophy of Heracleitus
Euthydemus
Part
8 Intro| Protagoras, Meno, Euthyphro, Theaetetus, Gorgias, Republic; the
Gorgias
Part
9 Intro| dramatis personae in the Theaetetus, that the digressions have
10 Intro| and the philosopher in the Theaetetus).~There is an interesting
11 Intro| of the philosopher in the Theaetetus; and at the same time may
12 Intro| theory of morals which the Theaetetus bears to his theory of knowledge.~
13 Intro| that which occurs in the Theaetetus, of the midwifery of Socrates,
Lysis
Part
14 Intro| especially the Protagoras and Theaetetus), no conclusion is arrived
Meno
Part
15 Intro| recurs in the Gorgias and Theaetetus as well as in the Republic.
16 Intro| again introduced in the Theaetetus as an account of knowledge,
17 Intro| more fully developed in the Theaetetus. The lessons of Prodicus,
18 Intro| many of the Phaedrus and Theaetetus is still working in the
Parmenides
Part
19 Intro| similar condemnation on the Theaetetus and Sophist, and therefore
20 Intro| they are mentioned in the Theaetetus, the Sophist, the Politicus,
21 Intro| Eleatic theories. In the Theaetetus a similar negative dialectic
Phaedo
Part
22 Intro| the Introduction to the Theaetetus, Hermogenes has already
23 Intro| Phaedrus, Gorgias, Republic, Theaetetus. Without pretending to determine
24 Intro| sleep is not excluded. The Theaetetus also describes, in a digression,
Phaedrus
Part
25 Intro| correlation of ideas. The Theaetetus, the Politicus, and the
26 Intro| compared with the Republic and Theaetetus, in both of which the philosopher
Philebus
Part
27 Intro| the Philebus, as in the Theaetetus and Cratylus, with irony
Protagoras
Part
28 Intro| attributed to him in the Theaetetus and elsewhere, or to his
29 Intro| as Theodorus says in the Theaetetus, are quite as agreeable
The Sophist
Part
30 Intro| which is called by his name. Theaetetus himself is not distinguished
31 Intro| the necessity of taking Theaetetus along with him is several
32 Intro| reminiscence of the old Theaetetus in his remark that he will
33 Intro| claimed an affinity with Theaetetus, grounded on the likeness
34 Intro| lawyer and philosopher in the Theaetetus. The following are characteristic
35 Intro| speak of true falsehood, as Theaetetus does (Theaet.), is a contradiction
36 Intro| the Cratylus and Sophist. ‘Theaetetus is flying,’ is a sentence
37 Intro| quite as grammatical as ‘Theaetetus is sitting’; the difference
38 Intro| philosophy. Both in the Theaetetus and in the Sophist he recognizes
39 Intro| doctrine are described in the Theaetetus as obstinate persons who
40 Intro| Sophist is the sequel of the Theaetetus, and is connected with the
41 Intro| compare Introductions to Theaetetus and Parmenides). In the
42 Intro| and Parmenides). In the Theaetetus we sought to discover the
43 Intro| previous day, Theodorus and Theaetetus meet Socrates at the same
44 Intro| question by Theodorus and Theaetetus; and he at once replies
45 Intro| chooses as his respondent Theaetetus, whom he already knows,
46 Intro| plurality and unity? You, Theaetetus, have the might of youth,
47 Intro| them or not. For tell me, Theaetetus, do you understand what
48 Intro| am acquainted with them, Theaetetus, and know their ways better
49 Intro| example, in the sentence, ‘Theaetetus sits,’ which is not very
50 Intro| which is not very long, ‘Theaetetus’ is the subject, and in
51 Intro| subject, and in the sentence ‘Theaetetus flies,’ ‘Theaetetus’ is
52 Intro| sentence ‘Theaetetus flies,’ ‘Theaetetus’ is again the subject. But
53 Intro| man cannot imitate you, Theaetetus, without knowing you, but
54 Text | THE DIALOGUE: Theodorus, Theaetetus, Socrates. An Eleatic Stranger,
55 Text | Stranger, whom Theodorus and Theaetetus bring with them. The younger
56 Text | you to take a young person—Theaetetus, for example—unless you
57 Text | object to your proposal, that Theaetetus should respond, having already
58 Text | recommended by you to take him.~THEAETETUS: But are you sure, Stranger,
59 Text | You hear them applauding, Theaetetus; after that, there is nothing
60 Text | your friends and not of me.~THEAETETUS: I do not think that I shall
61 Text | can suggest a better way.~THEAETETUS: Indeed I cannot.~STRANGER:
62 Text | pattern of the greater?~THEAETETUS: Good.~STRANGER: What is
63 Text | interesting or important person.~THEAETETUS: He is not.~STRANGER: Yet
64 Text | of enquiry which we want.~THEAETETUS: Very good.~STRANGER: Let
65 Text | art, but some other power.~THEAETETUS: He is clearly a man of
66 Text | arts there are two kinds?~THEAETETUS: What are they?~STRANGER:
67 Text | called by a single name.~THEAETETUS: What do you mean? And what
68 Text | is said to be produced.~THEAETETUS: True.~STRANGER: And all
69 Text | this power of producing?~THEAETETUS: They are.~STRANGER: Then
70 Text | productive or creative art.~THEAETETUS: Very good.~STRANGER: Next
71 Text | may be called acquisitive.~THEAETETUS: Yes, that is the proper
72 Text | place the art of the angler?~THEAETETUS: Clearly in the acquisitive
73 Text | may be termed conquest?~THEAETETUS: That is implied in what
74 Text | conquest be again subdivided?~THEAETETUS: How?~STRANGER: Open force
75 Text | general name of hunting?~THEAETETUS: Yes.~STRANGER: And there
76 Text | not be further divided.~THEAETETUS: How would you make the
77 Text | living and of lifeless prey.~THEAETETUS: Yes, if both kinds exist.~
78 Text | be called animal hunting.~THEAETETUS: Yes.~STRANGER: And animal
79 Text | after animals who swim?~THEAETETUS: True.~STRANGER: And of
80 Text | the other in the water?~THEAETETUS: Certainly.~STRANGER: Fowling
81 Text | of all birds is included.~THEAETETUS: True.~STRANGER: The hunting
82 Text | general name of fishing.~THEAETETUS: Yes.~STRANGER: And this
83 Text | into two principal kinds?~THEAETETUS: What are they?~STRANGER:
84 Text | which takes them by a blow.~THEAETETUS: What do you mean, and how
85 Text | rightly called an enclosure.~THEAETETUS: Very true.~STRANGER: For
86 Text | be termed ‘enclosures’?~THEAETETUS: True.~STRANGER: And therefore
87 Text | something of that sort?~THEAETETUS: Yes.~STRANGER: The other
88 Text | called striking, unless you, Theaetetus, can find some better name?~
89 Text | can find some better name?~THEAETETUS: Never mind the name—what
90 Text | or spearing by firelight.~THEAETETUS: True.~STRANGER: And the
91 Text | are barbed at the point.~THEAETETUS: Yes, that is the term.~
92 Text | spears are mostly used.~THEAETETUS: Yes, it is often called
93 Text | only one kind remaining.~THEAETETUS: What is that?~STRANGER:
94 Text | of that mode of fishing, Theaetetus?~THEAETETUS: I suspect that
95 Text | of fishing, Theaetetus?~THEAETETUS: I suspect that we have
96 Text | aspalieutike, anaspasthai).~THEAETETUS: The result has been quite
97 Text | find out what a Sophist is.~THEAETETUS: By all means.~STRANGER:
98 Text | skilled artist or unskilled?~THEAETETUS: True.~STRANGER: And shall
99 Text | thorough master of his craft?~THEAETETUS: Certainly not unskilled,
100 Text | supposed to have some art.~THEAETETUS: What art?~STRANGER: By
101 Text | it never occurred to us.~THEAETETUS: Who are cousins?~STRANGER:
102 Text | angler and the Sophist.~THEAETETUS: In what way are they related?~
103 Text | appear to me to be hunters.~THEAETETUS: How the Sophist? Of the
104 Text | animals and land animals?~THEAETETUS: Yes.~STRANGER: And you
105 Text | were many kinds of them?~THEAETETUS: Certainly.~STRANGER: Thus
106 Text | acquiring, take the same road?~THEAETETUS: So it would appear.~STRANGER:
107 Text | animals which are in them.~THEAETETUS: Very true.~STRANGER: While
108 Text | animals which are in them.~THEAETETUS: What do you mean?~STRANGER:
109 Text | two principal divisions.~THEAETETUS: What are they?~STRANGER:
110 Text | the other of wild animals.~THEAETETUS: But are tame animals ever
111 Text | alternatives you prefer.~THEAETETUS: I should say, Stranger,
112 Text | animals into two parts.~THEAETETUS: How shall we make the division?~
113 Text | as hunting with violence.~THEAETETUS: Very good.~STRANGER: But
114 Text | word the art of persuasion.~THEAETETUS: True.~STRANGER: And of
115 Text | be said to be two kinds?~THEAETETUS: What are they?~STRANGER:
116 Text | private, and the other public.~THEAETETUS: Yes; each of them forms
117 Text | the other brings gifts.~THEAETETUS: I do not understand you.~
118 Text | manner in which lovers hunt.~THEAETETUS: To what do you refer?~STRANGER:
119 Text | addition to other inducements.~THEAETETUS: Most true.~STRANGER: Let
120 Text | to be the amatory art.~THEAETETUS: Certainly.~STRANGER: But
121 Text | making things pleasant.~THEAETETUS: Certainly.~STRANGER: And
122 Text | called by another name?~THEAETETUS: To be sure.~STRANGER: And
123 Text | name? Will you tell me?~THEAETETUS: It is obvious enough; for
124 Text | described.~STRANGER: Then now, Theaetetus, his art may be traced as
125 Text | such is the conclusion.~THEAETETUS: Just so.~STRANGER: Let
126 Text | of which we are speaking.~THEAETETUS: In what respect?~STRANGER:
127 Text | the other with exchange.~THEAETETUS: There were.~STRANGER: And
128 Text | and the other of selling.~THEAETETUS: Let us assume that.~STRANGER:
129 Text | divided into two parts.~THEAETETUS: How?~STRANGER: There is
130 Text | of the works of others.~THEAETETUS: Certainly.~STRANGER: And
131 Text | whole, termed retailing?~THEAETETUS: Yes.~STRANGER: And that
132 Text | exchange of the merchant?~THEAETETUS: To be sure.~STRANGER: And
133 Text | received in exchange for money.~THEAETETUS: What do you mean?~STRANGER:
134 Text | kind you surely understand.~THEAETETUS: Yes.~STRANGER: Take music
135 Text | sells meats and drinks?~THEAETETUS: To be sure he may.~STRANGER:
136 Text | exchanging his wares for money?~THEAETETUS: Certainly I should.~STRANGER:
137 Text | name germane to the matter?~THEAETETUS: Certainly.~STRANGER: The
138 Text | other kinds of knowledge.~THEAETETUS: Of course.~STRANGER: The
139 Text | me the name of the other.~THEAETETUS: He must be the Sophist,
140 Text | the knowledge of virtue.~THEAETETUS: Quite true.~STRANGER: And
141 Text | still be called a Sophist?~THEAETETUS: Certainly.~STRANGER: Then
142 Text | would again term Sophistry?~THEAETETUS: I must, if I am to keep
143 Text | another aspect of sophistry.~THEAETETUS: What is it?~STRANGER: In
144 Text | combative or fighting art.~THEAETETUS: There was.~STRANGER: Perhaps
145 Text | we had better divide it.~THEAETETUS: What shall be the divisions?~
146 Text | another of the pugnacious.~THEAETETUS: Very good.~STRANGER: That
147 Text | some such name as violent.~THEAETETUS: True.~STRANGER: And when
148 Text | may be termed controversy?~THEAETETUS: Yes.~STRANGER: And controversy
149 Text | controversy may be of two kinds.~THEAETETUS: What are they?~STRANGER:
150 Text | is forensic controversy.~THEAETETUS: Yes.~STRANGER: And there
151 Text | commonly called disputation?~THEAETETUS: Yes, that is the name.~
152 Text | to receive one from us.~THEAETETUS: No; for the different sorts
153 Text | argumentation (Eristic)?~THEAETETUS: Certainly.~STRANGER: And
154 Text | and the other makes money.~THEAETETUS: Very true.~STRANGER: Suppose
155 Text | these two classes a name.~THEAETETUS: Let us do so.~STRANGER:
156 Text | loquacity: such is my opinion.~THEAETETUS: That is the common name
157 Text | it is your turn to say.~THEAETETUS: There is only one true
158 Text | argument has already proven.~THEAETETUS: Certainly.~STRANGER: How
159 Text | with one hand, as they say!~THEAETETUS: Then you must catch him
160 Text | have names among servants?~THEAETETUS: Yes, there are many such;
161 Text | straining, winnowing, threshing.~THEAETETUS: Certainly.~STRANGER: And
162 Text | expressions are used in the arts.~THEAETETUS: Of what are they to be
163 Text | implied a notion of division.~THEAETETUS: Yes.~STRANGER: Then if,
164 Text | that art to have one name?~THEAETETUS: And what is the name of
165 Text | discerning or discriminating.~THEAETETUS: Very good.~STRANGER: Think
166 Text | you cannot divide this.~THEAETETUS: I should have to think
167 Text | the better from the worse.~THEAETETUS: I see now what you mean.~
168 Text | better, I do know a name.~THEAETETUS: What is it?~STRANGER: Every
169 Text | is called a purification.~THEAETETUS: Yes, that is the usual
170 Text | purification is of two kinds.~THEAETETUS: Perhaps so, if he were
171 Text | comprehended under a single name.~THEAETETUS: What are they, and what
172 Text | are thought ridiculous.~THEAETETUS: Very true.~STRANGER: There
173 Text | are thought ridiculous, Theaetetus; but then the dialectical
174 Text | understand to be her aim.~THEAETETUS: Yes, I understand; and
175 Text | further the first of the two.~THEAETETUS: Whatever line of division
176 Text | distinct from vice in the soul?~THEAETETUS: Certainly.~STRANGER: And
177 Text | cast out whatever is bad?~THEAETETUS: True.~STRANGER: Then any
178 Text | properly called purification?~THEAETETUS: Yes.~STRANGER: And in the
179 Text | there are two kinds of evil.~THEAETETUS: What are they?~STRANGER:
180 Text | the other to deformity.~THEAETETUS: I do not understand.~STRANGER:
181 Text | and discord are the same.~THEAETETUS: To this, again, I know
182 Text | originating in some disagreement?~THEAETETUS: Just that.~STRANGER: And
183 Text | which is always unsightly?~THEAETETUS: Exactly.~STRANGER: And
184 Text | in the souls of bad men?~THEAETETUS: Certainly.~STRANGER: And
185 Text | yet they must all be akin?~THEAETETUS: Of course.~STRANGER: Then
186 Text | and disease of the soul?~THEAETETUS: Most true.~STRANGER: And
187 Text | of the want of symmetry?~THEAETETUS: Clearly of the want of
188 Text | voluntarily ignorant of anything?~THEAETETUS: Certainly not.~STRANGER:
189 Text | understanding is perverted?~THEAETETUS: True.~STRANGER: Then we
190 Text | and devoid of symmetry?~THEAETETUS: Very true.~STRANGER: Then
191 Text | a disease of the soul...~THEAETETUS: Yes.~STRANGER: And there
192 Text | will not allow to be vice.~THEAETETUS: I certainly admit what
193 Text | with the two bodily states?~THEAETETUS: What are they?~STRANGER:
194 Text | has to do with disease.~THEAETETUS: True.~STRANGER: And where
195 Text | which is most required?~THEAETETUS: That certainly appears
196 Text | rightly said to be the remedy?~THEAETETUS: True.~STRANGER: And of
197 Text | two principal ones. Think.~THEAETETUS: I will.~STRANGER: I believe
198 Text | answer to this question.~THEAETETUS: How?~STRANGER: If we can
199 Text | divisions of ignorance.~THEAETETUS: Well, and do you see what
200 Text | ignorance put together.~THEAETETUS: What is it?~STRANGER: When
201 Text | errors of the intellect.~THEAETETUS: True.~STRANGER: And this,
202 Text | the title of stupidity.~THEAETETUS: True.~STRANGER: What name,
203 Text | which gets rid of this?~THEAETETUS: The instruction which you
204 Text | the world.~STRANGER: Yes, Theaetetus, and by nearly all Hellenes.
205 Text | of any further division.~THEAETETUS: We have.~STRANGER: I think
206 Text | a division is possible.~THEAETETUS: Where?~STRANGER: Of education,
207 Text | rougher, and another smoother.~THEAETETUS: How are we to distinguish
208 Text | general term of admonition.~THEAETETUS: True.~STRANGER: But whereas
209 Text | trouble and does little good—~THEAETETUS: There they are quite right.~
210 Text | conceit in another way.~THEAETETUS: In what way?~STRANGER:
211 Text | what he knows, and no more.~THEAETETUS: That is certainly the best
212 Text | For all these reasons, Theaetetus, we must admit that refutation
213 Text | to be fairest and purest.~THEAETETUS: Very true.~STRANGER: And
214 Text | afraid to say the Sophists.~THEAETETUS: Why?~STRANGER: Lest we
215 Text | too high a prerogative.~THEAETETUS: Yet the Sophist has a certain
216 Text | if proper care is taken.~THEAETETUS: Likely enough.~STRANGER:
217 Text | nobly-descended art of Sophistry.~THEAETETUS: Very well; and yet, considering
218 Text | others to set upon him.~THEAETETUS: True.~STRANGER: First let
219 Text | after wealth and youth.~THEAETETUS: Yes.~STRANGER: In the second
220 Text | in the goods of the soul.~THEAETETUS: Certainly.~STRANGER: In
221 Text | the same sort of wares.~THEAETETUS: Yes; and in the fourth
222 Text | professed the eristic art.~THEAETETUS: True.~STRANGER: The sixth
223 Text | obstructive to knowledge.~THEAETETUS: Very true.~STRANGER: Do
224 Text | tending, is not understood.~THEAETETUS: I should imagine this to
225 Text | especially characteristic of him.~THEAETETUS: To what are you referring?~
226 Text | that he was a disputer?~THEAETETUS: We were.~STRANGER: And
227 Text | the art of disputation?~THEAETETUS: Certainly he does.~STRANGER:
228 Text | invisible to men in general?~THEAETETUS: At any rate, he is said
229 Text | and earth, and the like?~THEAETETUS: Certainly he disputes,
230 Text | their own skill to others.~THEAETETUS: Undoubtedly.~STRANGER:
231 Text | about politics in general?~THEAETETUS: Why, no one would have
232 Text | he who likes may learn.~THEAETETUS: I suppose that you are
233 Text | disputing about all things?~THEAETETUS: Certainly; there does not
234 Text | duller sight do not appear.~THEAETETUS: To what are you alluding?
235 Text | can understand all things.~THEAETETUS: Happy would mankind be
236 Text | manner against him who knows?~THEAETETUS: He cannot.~STRANGER: Then
237 Text | such a mysterious power?~THEAETETUS: To what do you refer?~STRANGER:
238 Text | willing to learn their art.~THEAETETUS: They certainly would not.~
239 Text | STRANGER: But they are willing.~THEAETETUS: Yes, they are.~STRANGER:
240 Text | about which they dispute?~THEAETETUS: Certainly.~STRANGER: And
241 Text | dispute about all things?~THEAETETUS: True.~STRANGER: And therefore,
242 Text | they appear to be all-wise?~THEAETETUS: Certainly.~STRANGER: But
243 Text | shown to be impossible.~THEAETETUS: Impossible, of course.~
244 Text | which is not the truth?~THEAETETUS: Exactly; no better description
245 Text | clearly explain his nature.~THEAETETUS: What is it?~STRANGER: I
246 Text | things, by a single art.~THEAETETUS: All things?~STRANGER: I
247 Text | understand the meaning of ‘all.’~THEAETETUS: No, I do not.~STRANGER:
248 Text | also animals and trees.~THEAETETUS: What do you mean?~STRANGER:
249 Text | and me, and all creatures.~THEAETETUS: What would he mean by ‘
250 Text | sell them for a few pence.~THEAETETUS: That must be a jest.~STRANGER:
251 Text | time, is not that a jest?~THEAETETUS: Certainly.~STRANGER: And
252 Text | of jest than imitation?~THEAETETUS: Certainly not; and imitation
253 Text | making whatever he likes.~THEAETETUS: Certainly.~STRANGER: And
254 Text | wisest of men in all things?~THEAETETUS: Yes; why should there not
255 Text | overturned by the facts of life?~THEAETETUS: That is my view, as far
256 Text | about which he disputes?~THEAETETUS: But how can he, Stranger?
257 Text | of magicians and mimics.~THEAETETUS: Certainly we must.~STRANGER:
258 Text | decidedly will not escape.~THEAETETUS: What is that?~STRANGER:
259 Text | inference that he is a juggler.~THEAETETUS: Precisely my own opinion
260 Text | ever escape in triumph.~THEAETETUS: Well said; and let us do
261 Text | desired form is to be found.~THEAETETUS: Will you tell me first
262 Text | its appropriate colour.~THEAETETUS: Is not this always the
263 Text | disregarding the real ones.~THEAETETUS: Quite true.~STRANGER: And
264 Text | call a likeness or image?~THEAETETUS: Yes.~STRANGER: And may
265 Text | art of likeness-making?~THEAETETUS: Let that be the name.~STRANGER:
266 Text | and are not really like?~THEAETETUS: Certainly.~STRANGER: There
267 Text | painting, and in all imitation.~THEAETETUS: Of course.~STRANGER: And
268 Text | an image, phantastic art?~THEAETETUS: Most fairly.~STRANGER:
269 Text | art of making appearances?~THEAETETUS: True.~STRANGER: I was doubtful
270 Text | into an impossible place.~THEAETETUS: Yes, he has.~STRANGER:
271 Text | into giving a hasty answer?~THEAETETUS: May I ask to what you are
272 Text | a contradiction? Indeed, Theaetetus, the task is a difficult
273 Text | task is a difficult one.~THEAETETUS: Why?~STRANGER: He who says
274 Text | of the words themselves?~THEAETETUS: Never mind about me; I
275 Text | forbidden word ‘not-being’?~THEAETETUS: Certainly we do.~STRANGER:
276 Text | would make to the enquirer?~THEAETETUS: That is a difficult question,
277 Text | applicable to any being.~THEAETETUS: None, certainly.~STRANGER:
278 Text | then not to something.~THEAETETUS: Of course not.~STRANGER:
279 Text | all being is impossible.~THEAETETUS: Impossible.~STRANGER: You
280 Text | must say some one thing?~THEAETETUS: Yes.~STRANGER: Some in
281 Text | plural (tines) of many?~THEAETETUS: Exactly.~STRANGER: Then
282 Text | say absolutely nothing.~THEAETETUS: Most assuredly.~STRANGER:
283 Text | does not speak at all.~THEAETETUS: The difficulty of the argument
284 Text | foundation of the matter.~THEAETETUS: What do you mean? Do not
285 Text | some other thing which is?~THEAETETUS: Certainly.~STRANGER: But
286 Text | attributed to that which is not?~THEAETETUS: Impossible.~STRANGER: And
287 Text | among things which are?~THEAETETUS: Yes, surely number, if
288 Text | the singular or plural?~THEAETETUS: The argument implies that
289 Text | which is not without number?~THEAETETUS: How indeed?~STRANGER: When
290 Text | plurality to not-being?~THEAETETUS: Certainly.~STRANGER: But,
291 Text | we not attribute unity?~THEAETETUS: Manifestly.~STRANGER: Nevertheless,
292 Text | attribute being to not-being?~THEAETETUS: Most true.~STRANGER: Do
293 Text | unspeakable, indescribable?~THEAETETUS: Quite true.~STRANGER: But,
294 Text | is the greatest of all.~THEAETETUS: What! is there a greater
295 Text | as he makes the attempt.~THEAETETUS: What do you mean? Speak
296 Text | not-being.’ Do you understand?~THEAETETUS: Yes.~STRANGER: And a little
297 Text | indescribable: do you follow?~THEAETETUS: I do after a fashion.~STRANGER:
298 Text | contradict what I said before?~THEAETETUS: Clearly.~STRANGER: And
299 Text | speak of not-being as one?~THEAETETUS: Yes.~STRANGER: And when
300 Text | refer to not-being as one?~THEAETETUS: Certainly.~STRANGER: And
301 Text | would imply a form of unity.~THEAETETUS: Quite true.~STRANGER: How,
302 Text | the experiment with you.~THEAETETUS: What do you mean?~STRANGER:
303 Text | existence or unity or plurality.~THEAETETUS: It would be a strange boldness
304 Text | be got out of his hole.~THEAETETUS: Most true.~STRANGER: And
305 Text | and I should like to know, Theaetetus, how we can possibly answer
306 Text | the younker’s question?~THEAETETUS: We shall doubtless tell
307 Text | duplicates.~STRANGER: I see, Theaetetus, that you have never made
308 Text | acquaintance of the Sophist.~THEAETETUS: Why do you think so?~STRANGER:
309 Text | eyes shut, or to have none.~THEAETETUS: What do you mean?~STRANGER:
310 Text | is asking about an idea.~THEAETETUS: What can he mean?~STRANGER:
311 Text | your ground against him?~THEAETETUS: How, Stranger, can I describe
312 Text | thing, or what do you mean?~THEAETETUS: Certainly not another true
313 Text | true that which really is?~THEAETETUS: Yes.~STRANGER: And the
314 Text | the opposite of the true?~THEAETETUS: Exactly.~STRANGER: A resemblance,
315 Text | if, as you say, not true?~THEAETETUS: Nay, but it is in a certain
316 Text | say, not in a true sense?~THEAETETUS: Yes; it is in reality only
317 Text | in reality really unreal.~THEAETETUS: In what a strange complication
318 Text | existence of not-being.~THEAETETUS: Yes, indeed, I see.~STRANGER:
319 Text | falling into a contradiction.~THEAETETUS: How do you mean? And where
320 Text | falsely, or what do we mean?~THEAETETUS: There is nothing else to
321 Text | truth:—You would assent?~THEAETETUS: Certainly.~STRANGER: You
322 Text | opinion thinks what is not?~THEAETETUS: Of course.~STRANGER: Does
323 Text | certain sense they are?~THEAETETUS: Things that are not must
324 Text | exist do not exist at all?~THEAETETUS: Yes.~STRANGER: And here,
325 Text | here, again, is falsehood?~THEAETETUS: Falsehood—yes.~STRANGER:
326 Text | of things which are not.~THEAETETUS: There is no other way in
327 Text | unthinkable? Do you see his point, Theaetetus?~THEAETETUS: Of course he
328 Text | see his point, Theaetetus?~THEAETETUS: Of course he will say that
329 Text | very numerous and obvious.~THEAETETUS: They are indeed.~STRANGER:
330 Text | they are really infinite.~THEAETETUS: If that is the case, we
331 Text | faint-hearted as to give him up?~THEAETETUS: Certainly not, I should
332 Text | such a sturdy argument?~THEAETETUS: To be sure I will.~STRANGER:
333 Text | urgent request to make.~THEAETETUS: Which is—?~STRANGER: That
334 Text | regard me as a parricide.~THEAETETUS: And why?~STRANGER: Because,
335 Text | the other hand, is not.~THEAETETUS: Some attempt of the kind
336 Text | ridiculous contradictions.~THEAETETUS: Most true.~STRANGER: And
337 Text | have to give the matter up.~THEAETETUS: Nothing in the world should
338 Text | request which I wish to make.~THEAETETUS: What is it?~STRANGER: You
339 Text | heart for this argument?~THEAETETUS: I did.~STRANGER: I tremble
340 Text | entirely out of regard for you.~THEAETETUS: There is no reason for
341 Text | road which I must take is—~THEAETETUS: Which?—Let me hear.~STRANGER:
342 Text | quite clear about them.~THEAETETUS: Say more distinctly what
343 Text | a light and easy strain.~THEAETETUS: How?~STRANGER: As if we
344 Text | of them without offence—~THEAETETUS: What thing?~STRANGER: That
345 Text | or left us behind them.~THEAETETUS: How do you mean?~STRANGER:
346 Text | separations and mixtures,—tell me, Theaetetus, do you understand what
347 Text | what a fix we are about it.~THEAETETUS: I see.~STRANGER: And very
348 Text | equally ignorant of both.~THEAETETUS: I dare say.~STRANGER: And
349 Text | the terms just mentioned.~THEAETETUS: True.~STRANGER: The consideration
350 Text | captain and leader of them.~THEAETETUS: Of what are you speaking?
351 Text | follow close at my heels, Theaetetus. For the right method, I
352 Text | will be one and not two.’~THEAETETUS: Very true.~STRANGER: But
353 Text | to both of them together?~THEAETETUS: Quite likely.~STRANGER: ‘
354 Text | still be resolved into one.’~THEAETETUS: Most true.~STRANGER: ‘Since,
355 Text | dualists or of the pluralists?~THEAETETUS: Certainly not.~STRANGER:
356 Text | what they mean by ‘being’?~THEAETETUS: By all means.~STRANGER:
357 Text | Yes,’ they will reply.~THEAETETUS: True.~STRANGER: And there
358 Text | which you call ‘being’?~THEAETETUS: ‘Yes.’~STRANGER: And is
359 Text | names to the same thing?~THEAETETUS: What will be their answer,
360 Text | STRANGER: It is clear, Theaetetus, that he who asserts the
361 Text | this or any other question.~THEAETETUS: Why so?~STRANGER: To admit
362 Text | unity, is surely ridiculous?~THEAETETUS: Certainly.~STRANGER: And
363 Text | that a name is anything?~THEAETETUS: How so?~STRANGER: To distinguish
364 Text | thing, implies duality.~THEAETETUS: Yes.~STRANGER: And yet
365 Text | name, and of nothing else.~THEAETETUS: True.~STRANGER: And the
366 Text | will represent a mere name.~THEAETETUS: Certainly.~STRANGER: And
367 Text | is, or the same with it?~THEAETETUS: To be sure they would,
368 Text | these, must also have parts.~THEAETETUS: True.~STRANGER: Yet that
369 Text | and a whole, may be one?~THEAETETUS: Certainly.~STRANGER: But
370 Text | cannot be absolute unity?~THEAETETUS: Why not?~STRANGER: Because,
371 Text | absolutely indivisible.~THEAETETUS: Certainly.~STRANGER: But
372 Text | will contradict reason.~THEAETETUS: I understand.~STRANGER:
373 Text | being is not a whole at all?~THEAETETUS: That is a hard alternative
374 Text | therefore more than one.~THEAETETUS: Yes.~STRANGER: And yet
375 Text | something of its own nature?~THEAETETUS: Certainly.~STRANGER: Upon
376 Text | will become not-being?~THEAETETUS: True.~STRANGER: And, again,
377 Text | have their separate nature.~THEAETETUS: Yes.~STRANGER: But if the
378 Text | never have come into being.~THEAETETUS: Why so?~STRANGER: Because
379 Text | generation as existing.~THEAETETUS: Yes, that certainly appears
380 Text | whole of that quantity.~THEAETETUS: Exactly.~STRANGER: And
381 Text | being is either one or two.~THEAETETUS: The difficulties which
382 Text | comprehend as that of not-being.~THEAETETUS: Then now we will go to
383 Text | about the nature of essence.~THEAETETUS: How is that?~STRANGER:
384 Text | hear of nothing but body.~THEAETETUS: I have often met with such
385 Text | Between the two armies, Theaetetus, there is always an endless
386 Text | concerning these matters.~THEAETETUS: True.~STRANGER: Let us
387 Text | which they call essence.~THEAETETUS: How shall we get it out
388 Text | tell you what we must do?~THEAETETUS: What?~STRANGER: Let us,
389 Text | but seekers after truth.~THEAETETUS: Very good.~STRANGER: Then
390 Text | and do you interpret them.~THEAETETUS: Agreed.~STRANGER: Let them
391 Text | thing as a mortal animal.~THEAETETUS: Of course they would.~STRANGER:
392 Text | be a body having a soul?~THEAETETUS: Certainly they do.~STRANGER:
393 Text | something which exists?~THEAETETUS: True.~STRANGER: And do
394 Text | wise, and another foolish?~THEAETETUS: Certainly.~STRANGER: And
395 Text | opposite circumstances?~THEAETETUS: Yes, they do.~STRANGER:
396 Text | admitted by them to exist?~THEAETETUS: Certainly.~STRANGER: And,
397 Text | are they all invisible?~THEAETETUS: They would say that hardly
398 Text | that they are corporeal?~THEAETETUS: They would distinguish:
399 Text | corporeal.~STRANGER: Verily, Theaetetus, I perceive a great improvement
400 Text | squeeze in their hands.~THEAETETUS: That is pretty much their
401 Text | nothing of their own to offer.~THEAETETUS: What is the notion? Tell
402 Text | of being is simply power.~THEAETETUS: They accept your suggestion,
403 Text | is established with them.~THEAETETUS: Agreed.~STRANGER: Let us
404 Text | shall be the interpreter.~THEAETETUS: I will.~STRANGER: To them
405 Text | essence from generation?~THEAETETUS: ‘Yes,’ they reply.~STRANGER:
406 Text | generation or becoming varies?~THEAETETUS: Yes; that is what we should
407 Text | with our recent definition?~THEAETETUS: What definition?~STRANGER:
408 Text | another. Perhaps your ears, Theaetetus, may fail to catch their
409 Text | been accustomed to hear it.~THEAETETUS: And what is their answer?~
410 Text | aborigines about existence.~THEAETETUS: What was that?~STRANGER:
411 Text | sufficient definition of being?~THEAETETUS: True.~STRANGER: They deny
412 Text | is applicable to being.~THEAETETUS: And is there not some truth
413 Text | being or essence is known.~THEAETETUS: There can be no doubt that
414 Text | neither any share in either?~THEAETETUS: Clearly, neither has any
415 Text | acted upon, as we affirm.~THEAETETUS: True.~STRANGER: And, O
416 Text | an everlasting fixture?~THEAETETUS: That would be a dreadful
417 Text | that has mind and not life?~THEAETETUS: How is that possible?~STRANGER:
418 Text | soul which contains them?~THEAETETUS: And in what other way can
419 Text | remains absolutely unmoved? THEAETETUS: All three suppositions
420 Text | and that which is moved.~THEAETETUS: Certainly.~STRANGER: Then,
421 Text | Certainly.~STRANGER: Then, Theaetetus, our inference is, that
422 Text | or belonging to any one.~THEAETETUS: Quite true.~STRANGER: And
423 Text | too mind has no existence.~THEAETETUS: How so?~STRANGER: Do you
424 Text | without a principle of rest?~THEAETETUS: Certainly not.~STRANGER:
425 Text | into existence anywhere?~THEAETETUS: No.~STRANGER: And surely
426 Text | confidently about anything.~THEAETETUS: Yes, with all our might.~
427 Text | definition of being and all.~THEAETETUS: Most true.~STRANGER: And
428 Text | a fair notion of being?~THEAETETUS: Yes truly.~STRANGER: Alas,
429 Text | Yes truly.~STRANGER: Alas, Theaetetus, methinks that we are now
430 Text | enquiry into the nature of it.~THEAETETUS: What do you mean?~STRANGER:
431 Text | are saying something good?~THEAETETUS: I certainly thought that
432 Text | that all was hot and cold?~THEAETETUS: What were they? Will you
433 Text | and then we shall get on.~THEAETETUS: True.~STRANGER: Would you
434 Text | opposition to one another?~THEAETETUS: Of course.~STRANGER: And
435 Text | either of them equally are?~THEAETETUS: I should.~STRANGER: And
436 Text | either of them are in motion?~THEAETETUS: Certainly not.~STRANGER:
437 Text | when you say that they are?~THEAETETUS: Of course not.~STRANGER:
438 Text | you declare that they are.~THEAETETUS: Truly we seem to have an
439 Text | something different from them.~THEAETETUS: So it would appear.~STRANGER:
440 Text | neither in motion nor at rest.~THEAETETUS: That is very much the truth.~
441 Text | notion of being in his mind?~THEAETETUS: Where, indeed?~STRANGER:
442 Text | classes. Is this possible?~THEAETETUS: Utterly impossible.~STRANGER:
443 Text | we ought to bear in mind.~THEAETETUS: What?~STRANGER: When we
444 Text | difficulty:—do you remember?~THEAETETUS: To be sure.~STRANGER: And
445 Text | difficulty about being?~THEAETETUS: I should say, Stranger,
446 Text | without any great discredit.~THEAETETUS: Very good.~STRANGER: Let
447 Text | names of the same thing.~THEAETETUS: Give an example.~STRANGER:
448 Text | many, and under many names.~THEAETETUS: That is true.~STRANGER:
449 Text | be the height of wisdom.~THEAETETUS: Certainly, I have.~STRANGER:
450 Text | as to our former friends.~THEAETETUS: What questions?~STRANGER:
451 Text | Which of these alternatives, Theaetetus, will they prefer?~THEAETETUS:
452 Text | Theaetetus, will they prefer?~THEAETETUS: I have nothing to answer
453 Text | participate in being at all.~THEAETETUS: They cannot.~STRANGER:
454 Text | participating in being?~THEAETETUS: No.~STRANGER: Then by this
455 Text | they ‘are’ truly at rest.~THEAETETUS: Just so.~STRANGER: Again,
456 Text | there were no admixture.~THEAETETUS: True.~STRANGER: Most ridiculous
457 Text | the name of that other.~THEAETETUS: Why so?~STRANGER: Why,
458 Text | audibly contradicts them.~THEAETETUS: Precisely so; a very true
459 Text | another—what will follow?~THEAETETUS: Even I can solve that riddle.~
460 Text | that riddle.~STRANGER: How?~THEAETETUS: Why, because motion itself
461 Text | this is utterly impossible.~THEAETETUS: Of course.~STRANGER: Then
462 Text | third hypothesis remains.~THEAETETUS: True.~STRANGER: For, surely,
463 Text | some things and others not.~THEAETETUS: Certainly.~STRANGER: And
464 Text | found to be impossible.~THEAETETUS: Yes.~STRANGER: Every one
465 Text | communion of some with some.~THEAETETUS: Quite true.~STRANGER: This
466 Text | other, while others do.~THEAETETUS: Of course.~STRANGER: And
467 Text | cannot be joined to another.~THEAETETUS: True.~STRANGER: But does
468 Text | required in order to do so?~THEAETETUS: Art is required.~STRANGER:
469 Text | required.~STRANGER: What art?~THEAETETUS: The art of grammar.~STRANGER:
470 Text | ignorant, not a musician?~THEAETETUS: Yes.~STRANGER: And we shall
471 Text | art or the absence of art.~THEAETETUS: Of course.~STRANGER: And
472 Text | which make them possible?~THEAETETUS: To be sure he will require
473 Text | the philosopher unawares?~THEAETETUS: What do you mean?~STRANGER:
474 Text | the dialectical science?~THEAETETUS: That is what we should
475 Text | one another and where not.~THEAETETUS: Quite true.~STRANGER: And
476 Text | philosopher pure and true?~THEAETETUS: Who but he can be worthy?~
477 Text | for a different reason.~THEAETETUS: For what reason?~STRANGER:
478 Text | place. Is not that true?~THEAETETUS: It seems to be so.~STRANGER:
479 Text | the vision of the divine.~THEAETETUS: Yes; that seems to be quite
480 Text | had a good look at him.~THEAETETUS: Very good.~STRANGER: Since,
481 Text | and yet escape unscathed.~THEAETETUS: We must do so.~STRANGER:
482 Text | being and rest and motion.~THEAETETUS: Yes, by far.~STRANGER:
483 Text | communion with one another.~THEAETETUS: Quite incapable.~STRANGER:
484 Text | them, for both of them are?~THEAETETUS: Of course.~STRANGER: That
485 Text | makes up three of them.~THEAETETUS: To be sure.~STRANGER: And
486 Text | but the same with itself.~THEAETETUS: True.~STRANGER: But then,
487 Text | of the three first kinds?~THEAETETUS: Very likely we are.~STRANGER:
488 Text | the other nor the same.~THEAETETUS: How is that?~STRANGER:
489 Text | cannot be either of them.~THEAETETUS: Why not?~STRANGER: Because
490 Text | partaking of its opposite.~THEAETETUS: Quite true.~STRANGER: Yet
491 Text | the same and of the other?~THEAETETUS: Yes.~STRANGER: Then we
492 Text | either the same or the other.~THEAETETUS: No; we must not.~STRANGER:
493 Text | the same are identical?~THEAETETUS: Possibly.~STRANGER: But
494 Text | that they are the same.~THEAETETUS: Which surely cannot be.~
495 Text | the same cannot be one.~THEAETETUS: Scarcely.~STRANGER: Then
496 Text | added to the three others.~THEAETETUS: Quite true.~STRANGER: And
497 Text | names of the same class?~THEAETETUS: Very likely.~STRANGER:
498 Text | relative as well as absolute?~THEAETETUS: Certainly.~STRANGER: And
499 Text | always relative to other?~THEAETETUS: True.~STRANGER: But this
500 Text | relation to some other.~THEAETETUS: That is the true state