(...) Philebus
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501 Text |         generation their highest end.~PROTARCHUS: Of whom are you speaking,
502 Text |             which might be mentioned.~PROTARCHUS: That is certainly what
503 Text |               opposite of generation?~PROTARCHUS: Certainly.~SOCRATES: Then
504 Text |              purest possible thought.~PROTARCHUS: He who would make us believe
505 Text |               is yet another of them.~PROTARCHUS: What is it?~SOCRATES: Is
506 Text |              degree excels in virtue?~PROTARCHUS: Nothing, Socrates, can
507 Text |              brought up for judgment.~PROTARCHUS: Right.~SOCRATES: Knowledge
508 Text |            and the other educational?~PROTARCHUS: True.~SOCRATES: And in
509 Text |              the other as the impure?~PROTARCHUS: Certainly.~SOCRATES: Let
510 Text |             elements in each of them.~PROTARCHUS: What are they, and how
511 Text |             remains will not be much.~PROTARCHUS: Not much, certainly.~SOCRATES:
512 Text |               by attention and pains.~PROTARCHUS: Nothing more, assuredly.~
513 Text |              little which is certain.~PROTARCHUS: Most true.~SOCRATES: And
514 Text |             piloting and generalship.~PROTARCHUS: Very true.~SOCRATES: The
515 Text |         accuracy than the other arts.~PROTARCHUS: How is that?~SOCRATES:
516 Text |               for straightening wood.~PROTARCHUS: Very true, Socrates.~SOCRATES:
517 Text |         carpentering, are more exact.~PROTARCHUS: Let us make that division.~
518 Text |              now spoke of as primary.~PROTARCHUS: I see that you mean arithmetic,
519 Text |       measuring.~SOCRATES: Certainly, Protarchus; but are not these also
520 Text |       distinguishable into two kinds?~PROTARCHUS: What are the two kinds?~
521 Text |              the other philosophical.~PROTARCHUS: How would you distinguish
522 Text |              difference between them, Protarchus; some arithmeticians reckon
523 Text |             same as every other unit.~PROTARCHUS: Undoubtedly there is, as
524 Text |          pairs that it is one or two?~PROTARCHUS: On the analogy of what
525 Text |           have discussed the subject?~PROTARCHUS: I think so, but I should
526 Text |       pleasure is purer than another.~PROTARCHUS: Clearly; that was the intention.~
527 Text |           their degrees of certainty?~PROTARCHUS: Very true.~SOCRATES: And
528 Text |              of certainty and purity?~PROTARCHUS: That is the very question
529 Text |            asking.~SOCRATES: And how, Protarchus, shall we answer the enquiry?~
530 Text |          shall we answer the enquiry?~PROTARCHUS: O Socrates, we have reached
531 Text |            answer will be the easier.~PROTARCHUS: Certainly; and let us say
532 Text |             art of misinterpretation?~PROTARCHUS: What answer?~SOCRATES:
533 Text |                and yet only one name.~PROTARCHUS: Let us boldly return this
534 Text |               exact arts or sciences.~PROTARCHUS: Very good.~SOCRATES: And
535 Text |              good.~SOCRATES: And yet, Protarchus, dialectic will refuse to
536 Text |               to her the first place.~PROTARCHUS: And pray, what is dialectic?~
537 Text |             you decide this question, Protarchus?~PROTARCHUS: I have often
538 Text |            this question, Protarchus?~PROTARCHUS: I have often heard Gorgias
539 Text |              if you were not ashamed?~PROTARCHUS: As you please.~SOCRATES:
540 Text |               into a misapprehension?~PROTARCHUS: How?~SOCRATES: Dear Protarchus,
541 Text |       PROTARCHUS: How?~SOCRATES: Dear Protarchus, I never asked which was
542 Text |              which has higher claims.~PROTARCHUS: Well, I have been considering,
543 Text |              which his life is spent?~PROTARCHUS: True.~SOCRATES: He is labouring,
544 Text |            which will or have become.~PROTARCHUS: Very true.~SOCRATES: And
545 Text |            truth ever become certain?~PROTARCHUS: Impossible.~SOCRATES: How
546 Text |               which has no fixedness?~PROTARCHUS: How indeed?~SOCRATES: Then
547 Text |             attain the highest truth?~PROTARCHUS: I should imagine not.~SOCRATES:
548 Text |              argument a single point.~PROTARCHUS: What point?~SOCRATES: Let
549 Text |             second or inferior class.~PROTARCHUS: Very true.~SOCRATES: And
550 Text |          given to the fairest things?~PROTARCHUS: That is natural.~SOCRATES:
551 Text |              are to be honoured most?~PROTARCHUS: Yes.~SOCRATES: And these
552 Text |          contemplation of true being?~PROTARCHUS: Certainly.~SOCRATES: And
553 Text |               the rivals of pleasure?~PROTARCHUS: Very true, Socrates.~SOCRATES:
554 Text |       materials ready to their hands.~PROTARCHUS: Yes.~SOCRATES: And now
555 Text |               must begin to mix them?~PROTARCHUS: By all means.~SOCRATES:
556 Text |             and refresh our memories?~PROTARCHUS: Of what?~SOCRATES: Of that
557 Text |            thrice that which is good.~PROTARCHUS: Certainly.~SOCRATES: Well
558 Text |              summary of the argument.~PROTARCHUS: Let me hear.~SOCRATES:
559 Text |             this what we were saying, Protarchus?~PROTARCHUS: Certainly.~
560 Text |              were saying, Protarchus?~PROTARCHUS: Certainly.~SOCRATES: And
561 Text |              was conceded between us?~PROTARCHUS: What was it?~SOCRATES:
562 Text |        differs from all other things.~PROTARCHUS: In what respect?~SOCRATES:
563 Text |             in need of anything else.~PROTARCHUS: Exactly.~SOCRATES: And
564 Text |            part whatever in pleasure?~PROTARCHUS: We did.~SOCRATES: And did
565 Text |            alone would be sufficient?~PROTARCHUS: Certainly not.~SOCRATES:
566 Text |             certain degree of wisdom?~PROTARCHUS: Certainly not, Socrates;
567 Text |           possibly be either of them?~PROTARCHUS: Impossible.~SOCRATES: Then
568 Text |           place may be duly assigned.~PROTARCHUS: Right.~SOCRATES: Have we
569 Text |               leads towards the good?~PROTARCHUS: What road?~SOCRATES: Supposing
570 Text |         discovery of the man himself?~PROTARCHUS: Certainly.~SOCRATES: And
571 Text |        unmixed life but in the mixed.~PROTARCHUS: True.~SOCRATES: There is
572 Text |            than in that which is not?~PROTARCHUS: Far greater.~SOCRATES:
573 Text |               Then now let us mingle, Protarchus, at the same time offering
574 Text |             the ceremony of mingling.~PROTARCHUS: By all means.~SOCRATES:
575 Text |             of all possible mixtures.~PROTARCHUS: Certainly.~SOCRATES: Tell
576 Text |            with every sort of wisdom?~PROTARCHUS: Perhaps we might.~SOCRATES:
577 Text |              I can show a safer plan.~PROTARCHUS: What is it?~SOCRATES: One
578 Text |              more exact than another.~PROTARCHUS: Certainly.~SOCRATES: There
579 Text |           were truer than the former.~PROTARCHUS: Very good and right.~SOCRATES:
580 Text |             elements of another kind?~PROTARCHUS: I think that we ought to
581 Text |              and of all other things.~PROTARCHUS: We will suppose such a
582 Text |              the building of a house?~PROTARCHUS: The knowledge which is
583 Text |         measure and the false circle?~PROTARCHUS: Yes, we must, if any of
584 Text |             and is wanting in purity?~PROTARCHUS: Yes, I think that you must,
585 Text |               mingle with the impure?~PROTARCHUS: I do not know, Socrates,
586 Text |               meeting of the waters’?~PROTARCHUS: By all means.~SOCRATES:
587 Text |        together before the pleasures.~PROTARCHUS: Quite true.~SOCRATES: And
588 Text |             first only the true ones.~PROTARCHUS: It will be by far the safer
589 Text |              must we not mingle them?~PROTARCHUS: Yes; the necessary pleasures
590 Text |             must let them all mingle?~PROTARCHUS: What shall we say about
591 Text |              SOCRATES: Do not ask me, Protarchus; but ask the daughters of
592 Text |             to answer for themselves.~PROTARCHUS: How?~SOCRATES: Tell us,
593 Text |          certainly answer as follows:~PROTARCHUS: How?~SOCRATES: They would
594 Text |           ourselves in every respect.~PROTARCHUS: And our answer will be:—
595 Text |               pleasures do you mean?’~PROTARCHUS: Likely enough.~SOCRATES:
596 Text |              memory and true opinion?~PROTARCHUS: Most certainly.~SOCRATES:
597 Text |          ingredient in every mixture.~PROTARCHUS: What is that?~SOCRATES:
598 Text |          truly be created or subsist.~PROTARCHUS: Impossible.~SOCRATES: Quite
599 Text |              rule over a living body.~PROTARCHUS: I agree with you, Socrates.~
600 Text |               habitation of the good?~PROTARCHUS: I think that we are.~SOCRATES:
601 Text |               to pleasure or to mind.~PROTARCHUS: Quite right; in that way
602 Text |              value or of none at all.~PROTARCHUS: What do you mean?~SOCRATES:
603 Text |         SOCRATES: Every man knows it.~PROTARCHUS: What?~SOCRATES: He knows
604 Text |               on the possessor of it.~PROTARCHUS: Most true.~SOCRATES: And
605 Text |            virtue all the world over.~PROTARCHUS: True.~SOCRATES: Also we
606 Text |               element in the mixture.~PROTARCHUS: Certainly.~SOCRATES: Then,
607 Text |              of the infusion of them.~PROTARCHUS: Quite right.~SOCRATES:
608 Text |             right.~SOCRATES: And now, Protarchus, any man could decide well
609 Text |        honourable among gods and men.~PROTARCHUS: Clearly, and yet perhaps
610 Text |              are severally most akin.~PROTARCHUS: You are speaking of beauty,
611 Text |               measure?~SOCRATES: Yes, Protarchus, take truth first, and,
612 Text |           mind is more akin to truth.~PROTARCHUS: There is no need to pause,
613 Text |              or wisdom than pleasure?~PROTARCHUS: Here is another question
614 Text |       pleasure the fairer of the two?~PROTARCHUS: No one, Socrates, either
615 Text |              future.~SOCRATES: Right.~PROTARCHUS: But when we see some one
616 Text |               of day.~SOCRATES: Then, Protarchus, you will proclaim everywhere,
617 Text |        eternal nature has been found.~PROTARCHUS: Yes, that seems to be the
618 Text |             which are of that family.~PROTARCHUS: True.~SOCRATES: And if
619 Text |            wrong, if I divine aright.~PROTARCHUS: I dare say.~SOCRATES: And
620 Text |             to good than pleasure is.~PROTARCHUS: Surely.~SOCRATES: The fifth
621 Text |        sciences, and some the senses.~PROTARCHUS: Perhaps.~SOCRATES: And
622 Text |               crown on our discourse.~PROTARCHUS: True.~SOCRATES: Then let
623 Text |         libation to the saviour Zeus.~PROTARCHUS: How?~SOCRATES: Philebus
624 Text |              and absolutely the good.~PROTARCHUS: I understand; this third
625 Text |            human life, than pleasure.~PROTARCHUS: True.~SOCRATES: But, suspecting
626 Text |           place as well as the first.~PROTARCHUS: You did.~SOCRATES: Nothing
627 Text |               nature of both of them.~PROTARCHUS: Very true.~SOCRATES: The
628 Text |              adequacy and perfection.~PROTARCHUS: Most true.~SOCRATES: But,
629 Text |              conqueror than pleasure.~PROTARCHUS: Certainly.~SOCRATES: And,
630 Text |             pleasure will rank fifth.~PROTARCHUS: True.~SOCRATES: But not
631 Text |    inspirations of divine philosophy.~PROTARCHUS: And now, Socrates, we tell
632 Text |               And will you let me go?~PROTARCHUS: There is a little which