Gorgias
    Part
  1 Intro|        three characters of Gorgias, Polus, and Callicles respectively
  2 Intro|           dealing with the youthful Polus, ironical and sarcastic
  3 Intro|           the hands of his disciple Polus, who rushes to the defence
  4 Intro|         even explain his meaning to Polus, he must enlighten him upon
  5 Intro|           shams or flatteries. When Polus finds his favourite art
  6 Intro|            they are strange to him, Polus is at last convinced of
  7 Intro|        everything and know nothing.~Polus is an impetuous youth, a
  8 Intro|         younger friend and disciple Polus.~SOCRATES: Put the question
  9 Intro|           answer, ‘I am a cobbler.’~Polus suggests that Gorgias may
 10 Intro|   experimental arts,’ etc., replies Polus, in rhetorical and balanced
 11 Intro|            remarks to Gorgias, that Polus has learnt how to make a
 12 Intro|          him from ever doing wrong. Polus is naturally exasperated
 13 Intro|            condition, which is that Polus studies brevity. Polus is
 14 Intro|         that Polus studies brevity. Polus is in great indignation
 15 Intro|              compare Protag.), that Polus shall ask and Socrates answer.~‘
 16 Intro|          the art of Rhetoric?’ says Polus. Not an art at all, replies
 17 Intro|         affirm to have created art. Polus asks, ‘What thing?’ and
 18 Intro|             What is rhetoric?’ asks Polus once more. A part of a not
 19 Intro| unintelligible, both to Gorgias and Polus; and, in order to explain
 20 Intro|            of the subject, and begs Polus not unnecessarily to retaliate
 21 Intro|              is real power. To this Polus assents, on the ground that
 22 Intro|         mental and moral condition. Polus explains that Archelaus
 23 Intro|    dismisses the appeal to numbers; Polus, if he will, may summon
 24 Intro|         suffers than if he escapes. Polus is of opinion that such
 25 Intro|       miserable of the two. At this Polus laughs outright, which leads
 26 Intro|          new species of refutation. Polus replies, that he is already
 27 Intro|          worse than to suffer evil.~Polus, though he will not admit
 28 Intro|            to pleasure and utility? Polus assents to this latter doctrine,
 29 Intro|          proved by the testimony of Polus himself to be worse or more
 30 Intro|          was overthrown because, as Polus said, in compliance with
 31 Intro|     rhetorician must teach him; and Polus has been similarly entangled,
 32 Intro|            this very argument, what Polus only meant in a conventional
 33 Intro|              frankness; Gorgias and Polus, although learned men, were
 34 Intro|             doctrine of himself and Polus, that all things should
 35 Intro|             in self-accusation, and Polus was right in saying that
 36 Intro|          case which he described to Polus, he may be the physician
 37 Intro|      advantages which he gains over Polus are also due to a false
 38 Intro|           characters of Gorgias and Polus, we are not passing any
 39 Intro|           objections of Gorgias and Polus, and therefore he sometimes
 40 Intro|             At length he makes even Polus in earnest. Finally, he
 41 Intro|           The world, represented by Polus, is ready, when they are
 42 Text |      Socrates, Chaerephon, Gorgias, Polus.~SCENE: The house of Callicles.~
 43 Text |     Chaerephon, you can make trial.~POLUS: Yes, indeed, and if you
 44 Text |             CHAEREPHON: And do you, Polus, think that you can answer
 45 Text |         answer better than Gorgias?~POLUS: What does that matter if
 46 Text |           shall answer if you like.~POLUS: Ask:—~CHAEREPHON: My question
 47 Text |            is given to his brother?~POLUS: Certainly.~CHAEREPHON:
 48 Text |            calling him a physician?~POLUS: Yes.~CHAEREPHON: And if
 49 Text |          what ought we to call him?~POLUS: Clearly, a painter.~CHAEREPHON:
 50 Text |             in which he is skilled.~POLUS: O Chaerephon, there are
 51 Text |           is the noblest.~SOCRATES: Polus has been taught how to make
 52 Text |            from the few words which Polus has uttered, that he has
 53 Text |         rhetoric than to dialectic.~POLUS: What makes you say so,
 54 Text |        Socrates?~SOCRATES: Because, Polus, when Chaerephon asked you
 55 Text |        never said what the art was.~POLUS: Why, did I not say that
 56 Text |         longer mode of speech which Polus was attempting? Will you
 57 Text |           at the truth of all this.~POLUS: And do even you, Socrates,
 58 Text |         pass.~SOCRATES: Illustrious Polus, the reason why we provide
 59 Text |          fallen-upon one condition:~POLUS: What condition?~SOCRATES:
 60 Text |        SOCRATES: That you contract, Polus, the prolixity of speech
 61 Text |        which you indulged at first.~POLUS: What! do you mean that
 62 Text |        Gorgias knows—would you not?~POLUS: Yes.~SOCRATES: And you,
 63 Text |             know how to answer him?~POLUS: To be sure.~SOCRATES: And
 64 Text |         will you do, ask or answer?~POLUS: I will ask; and do you
 65 Text |           mean what sort of an art?~POLUS: Yes.~SOCRATES: To say the
 66 Text |         SOCRATES: To say the truth, Polus, it is not an art at all,
 67 Text |          art at all, in my opinion.~POLUS: Then what, in your opinion,
 68 Text |          that you have made an art.~POLUS: What thing?~SOCRATES: I
 69 Text |           say a sort of experience.~POLUS: Does rhetoric seem to you
 70 Text |             may be of another mind.~POLUS: An experience in what?~
 71 Text |          delight and gratification.~POLUS: And if able to gratify
 72 Text |      SOCRATES: What are you saying, Polus? Why do you ask me whether
 73 Text |          told you what rhetoric is?~POLUS: Did I not hear you say
 74 Text |         slight gratification to me?~POLUS: I will.~SOCRATES: Will
 75 Text |          sort of an art is cookery?~POLUS: What sort of an art is
 76 Text |        SOCRATES: Not an art at all, Polus.~POLUS: What then?~SOCRATES:
 77 Text |           Not an art at all, Polus.~POLUS: What then?~SOCRATES: I
 78 Text |           should say an experience.~POLUS: In what? I wish that you
 79 Text |          delight and gratification, Polus.~POLUS: Then are cookery
 80 Text |           and gratification, Polus.~POLUS: Then are cookery and rhetoric
 81 Text |             of the same profession.~POLUS: Of what profession?~SOCRATES:
 82 Text |       things answering to them. And Polus may ask, if he likes, for
 83 Text |            that would not be right, Polus; but I shall be happy to
 84 Text |            of flattery is rhetoric?~POLUS: I will ask and do you answer?
 85 Text |  counterfeit of a part of politics.~POLUS: And noble or ignoble?~SOCRATES:
 86 Text |    explained myself, and our friend Polus, colt by name and colt by
 87 Text |    untranslatable play on the name ‘Polus,’ which means ‘a colt.’)~
 88 Text |            I am mistaken, my friend Polus shall refute me. We may
 89 Text |             and of an ignoble sort, Polus, for to you I am now addressing
 90 Text |         word with which you, friend Polus, are so well acquainted,
 91 Text |          you please with my answer.~POLUS: What do you mean? do you
 92 Text |           flattery; if at your age, Polus, you cannot remember, what
 93 Text |      by-and-by, when you get older?~POLUS: And are the good rhetoricians
 94 Text |          the beginning of a speech?~POLUS: I am asking a question.~
 95 Text |            are not regarded at all.~POLUS: How not regarded? Have
 96 Text |            a good to the possessor.~POLUS: And that is what I do mean
 97 Text |          power of all the citizens.~POLUS: What! are they not like
 98 Text |       please.~SOCRATES: By the dog, Polus, I cannot make out at each
 99 Text |            asking a question of me.~POLUS: I am asking a question
100 Text |          ask two questions at once.~POLUS: How two questions?~SOCRATES:
101 Text |           any one whom they please?~POLUS: I did.~SOCRATES: Well then,
102 Text |            of them. And I tell you, Polus, that rhetoricians and tyrants
103 Text |          only what they think best.~POLUS: And is not that a great
104 Text |            a great power?~SOCRATES: Polus has already said the reverse.~
105 Text |           already said the reverse.~POLUS: Said the reverse! nay,
106 Text |           to him who has the power.~POLUS: I do.~SOCRATES: And would
107 Text |          you call this great power?~POLUS: I should not.~SOCRATES:
108 Text |           without sense is an evil.~POLUS: Yes; I admit that.~SOCRATES:
109 Text |             power in states, unless Polus can refute Socrates, and
110 Text |          that they do as they will?~POLUS: This fellow—~SOCRATES:
111 Text |           they will;—now refute me.~POLUS: Why, have you not already
112 Text |       SOCRATES: And I say so still.~POLUS: Then surely they do as
113 Text |          will?~SOCRATES: I deny it.~POLUS: But they do what they think
114 Text |          think best?~SOCRATES: Aye.~POLUS: That, Socrates, is monstrous
115 Text |          SOCRATES: Good words, good Polus, as I may say in your own
116 Text |           give the answer yourself.~POLUS: Very well, I am willing
117 Text |           sake of which they drink?~POLUS: Clearly, the health.~SOCRATES:
118 Text |          which they go on a voyage.~POLUS: Certainly.~SOCRATES: And
119 Text |           sake of which he does it.~POLUS: Yes.~SOCRATES: And are
120 Text |       intermediate and indifferent?~POLUS: To be sure, Socrates.~SOCRATES:
121 Text |          and their opposites evils?~POLUS: I should.~SOCRATES: And
122 Text |         call neither good nor evil?~POLUS: Exactly so.~SOCRATES: Are
123 Text |            sake of the indifferent?~POLUS: Clearly, the indifferent
124 Text |           for the sake of the good?~POLUS: Yes.~SOCRATES: And when
125 Text |           will conduce to our good?~POLUS: Certainly.~SOCRATES: Men
126 Text |           for the sake of the good?~POLUS: Yes.~SOCRATES: And did
127 Text |           sake of which we do them?~POLUS: Most true.~SOCRATES: Then
128 Text |           will. Why are you silent, Polus? Am I not right?~POLUS:
129 Text |              Polus? Am I not right?~POLUS: You are right.~SOCRATES:
130 Text |             what seems best to him?~POLUS: Yes.~SOCRATES: But does
131 Text |              Why do you not answer?~POLUS: Well, I suppose not.~SOCRATES:
132 Text |             great power in a state?~POLUS: He will not.~SOCRATES:
133 Text |           and not do what he wills?~POLUS: As though you, Socrates,
134 Text |           or unjustly, do you mean?~POLUS: In either case is he not
135 Text |          envied?~SOCRATES: Forbear, Polus!~POLUS: Why ‘forbear’?~SOCRATES:
136 Text |           SOCRATES: Forbear, Polus!~POLUS: Why ‘forbear’?~SOCRATES:
137 Text |              but only to pity them.~POLUS: And are those of whom I
138 Text |            Yes, certainly they are.~POLUS: And so you think that he
139 Text |            that he is to be envied.~POLUS: Were you not saying just
140 Text |            if he killed him justly.~POLUS: At any rate you will allow
141 Text |              SOCRATES: Not so much, Polus, as he who kills him, and
142 Text |            he who is justly killed.~POLUS: How can that be, Socrates?~
143 Text |           is the greatest of evils.~POLUS: But is it the greatest?
144 Text |            SOCRATES: Certainly not.~POLUS: Then would you rather suffer
145 Text |        would rather suffer than do.~POLUS: Then you would not wish
146 Text |             by tyranny what I mean.~POLUS: I mean, as I said before,
147 Text |         take a dagger under my arm. Polus, I say to you, I have just
148 Text |          think best is great power?~POLUS: Certainly not such doing
149 Text |         disapprove of such a power?~POLUS: I can.~SOCRATES: Why then?~
150 Text |            can.~SOCRATES: Why then?~POLUS: Why, because he who did
151 Text |          And punishment is an evil?~POLUS: Certainly.~SOCRATES: And
152 Text |           and sometimes not a good?~POLUS: Certainly.~SOCRATES: About
153 Text |           may be supposed to agree?~POLUS: Yes.~SOCRATES: Tell me,
154 Text |          principle do you lay down?~POLUS: I would rather, Socrates,
155 Text |           question.~SOCRATES: Well, Polus, since you would rather
156 Text |          evil when they are unjust.~POLUS: You are hard of refutation,
157 Text |             doing good to a friend.~POLUS: Yes, Socrates, and I need
158 Text |              SOCRATES: What events?~POLUS: You see, I presume, that
159 Text |             rate I hear that he is.~POLUS: And do you think that he
160 Text |             SOCRATES: I cannot say, Polus, for I have never had any
161 Text |          any acquaintance with him.~POLUS: And cannot you tell at
162 Text |       SOCRATES: Most certainly not.~POLUS: Then clearly, Socrates,
163 Text |           of education and justice.~POLUS: What! and does all happiness
164 Text |              SOCRATES: Yes, indeed, Polus, that is my doctrine; the
165 Text |             and evil are miserable.~POLUS: Then, according to your
166 Text |            friend, if he is wicked.~POLUS: That he is wicked I cannot
167 Text |             I praised you at first, Polus, for being a rhetorician
168 Text |         which you have been saying.~POLUS: That is because you will
169 Text |            this to be your opinion?~POLUS: Certainly.~SOCRATES: But
170 Text |             he will still be happy?~POLUS: Certainly not; in that
171 Text |           to you, he will be happy?~POLUS: Yes.~SOCRATES: But in my
172 Text |        SOCRATES: But in my opinion, Polus, the unjust or doer of unjust
173 Text |          the hands of gods and men.~POLUS: You are maintaining a strange
174 Text |           than to suffer injustice?~POLUS: Exactly so.~SOCRATES: And
175 Text |          And you said the opposite?~POLUS: Yes.~SOCRATES: I said also
176 Text |      miserable, and you refuted me?~POLUS: By Zeus, I did.~SOCRATES:
177 Text |      SOCRATES: In your own opinion, Polus.~POLUS: Yes, and I rather
178 Text |            your own opinion, Polus.~POLUS: Yes, and I rather suspect
179 Text |          happy if he be unpunished?~POLUS: Certainly.~SOCRATES: And
180 Text |       refute this proposition also?~POLUS: A proposition which is
181 Text |     Socrates.~SOCRATES: Say rather, Polus, impossible; for who can
182 Text |           who can refute the truth?~POLUS: What do you mean? If a
183 Text |        SOCRATES: There again, noble Polus, you are raising hobgoblins
184 Text |             make himself a tyrant’?~POLUS: Yes, I did.~SOCRATES: Then
185 Text |           of the two. Do you laugh, Polus? Well, this is a new kind
186 Text |       refuting him to laugh at him.~POLUS: But do you not think, Socrates,
187 Text |            the company.~SOCRATES: O Polus, I am not a public man,
188 Text |       punished than to be punished.~POLUS: And I should say neither
189 Text |            too; I or any man would.~POLUS: Quite the reverse; neither
190 Text |      SOCRATES: But will you answer?~POLUS: To be sure, I will; for
191 Text |        beginning: which of the two, Polus, in your opinion, is the
192 Text |             injustice or to suffer?~POLUS: I should say that suffering
193 Text |           greater disgrace?—Answer.~POLUS: To do.~SOCRATES: And the
194 Text |       disgrace is the greater evil?~POLUS: Certainly not.~SOCRATES:
195 Text |            disgraceful as the evil?~POLUS: Certainly not.~SOCRATES:
196 Text |         account of personal beauty?~POLUS: I cannot.~SOCRATES: And
197 Text |           of their use, or of both?~POLUS: Yes, I should.~SOCRATES:
198 Text |      beautiful for the same reason?~POLUS: I should.~SOCRATES: Laws
199 Text |         useful or pleasant or both?~POLUS: I think not.~SOCRATES:
200 Text |            the beauty of knowledge?~POLUS: To be sure, Socrates; and
201 Text |          standard of pain and evil?~POLUS: Certainly.~SOCRATES: Then
202 Text |        pleasure or utility or both?~POLUS: Very true.~SOCRATES: And
203 Text |             evil—must it not be so?~POLUS: Yes.~SOCRATES: But then
204 Text |             wrong more disgraceful?~POLUS: I did.~SOCRATES: Then,
205 Text |          does not that also follow?~POLUS: Of course.~SOCRATES: First,
206 Text |       suffer more than the injured?~POLUS: No, Socrates; certainly
207 Text |         they do not exceed in pain?~POLUS: No.~SOCRATES: But if not
208 Text |             pain, then not in both?~POLUS: Certainly not.~SOCRATES:
209 Text |           only exceed in the other?~POLUS: Yes.~SOCRATES: That is
210 Text |            That is to say, in evil?~POLUS: True.~SOCRATES: Then doing
211 Text |           than suffering injustice?~POLUS: Clearly.~SOCRATES: But
212 Text |         disgraceful than to suffer?~POLUS: Yes.~SOCRATES: And that
213 Text |         discovered to be more evil?~POLUS: True.~SOCRATES: And would
214 Text |    dishonour to a less one? Answer, Polus, and fear not; for you will
215 Text |            say ‘Yes’ or ‘No’ to me.~POLUS: I should say ‘No.’~SOCRATES:
216 Text |             greater to a less evil?~POLUS: No, not according to this
217 Text |        SOCRATES: Then I said truly, Polus, that neither you, nor I,
218 Text |            greater evil of the two.~POLUS: That is the conclusion.~
219 Text |      conclusion.~SOCRATES: You see, Polus, when you compare the two
220 Text |        corrected when you do wrong?~POLUS: I should.~SOCRATES: And
221 Text |           and tell me your opinion.~POLUS: Yes, Socrates, I think
222 Text |        there not also be a patient?~POLUS: I should say so.~SOCRATES:
223 Text |        something which is stricken?~POLUS: Yes.~SOCRATES: And if the
224 Text |        struck violently or quickly?~POLUS: True.~SOCRATES: And the
225 Text |             act of him who strikes?~POLUS: Yes.~SOCRATES: And if a
226 Text |          something which is burned?~POLUS: Certainly.~SOCRATES: And
227 Text |             burned in the same way?~POLUS: Truly.~SOCRATES: And if
228 Text |        there will be something cut?~POLUS: Yes.~SOCRATES: And if the
229 Text |         will be of the same nature?~POLUS: That is evident.~SOCRATES:
230 Text |             affection of the agent?~POLUS: I agree.~SOCRATES: Then,
231 Text |             is suffering or acting?~POLUS: Suffering, Socrates; there
232 Text |         suffering implies an agent?~POLUS: Certainly, Socrates; and
233 Text |           rightly, punishes justly?~POLUS: Yes.~SOCRATES: And therefore
234 Text |           therefore he acts justly?~POLUS: Justly.~SOCRATES: Then
235 Text |        retribution, suffers justly?~POLUS: That is evident.~SOCRATES:
236 Text |          admitted to be honourable?~POLUS: Certainly.~SOCRATES: Then
237 Text |         suffers what is honourable?~POLUS: True.~SOCRATES: And if
238 Text |          either pleasant or useful?~POLUS: Certainly.~SOCRATES: Then
239 Text |      punished suffers what is good?~POLUS: That is true.~SOCRATES:
240 Text |     SOCRATES: Then he is benefited?~POLUS: Yes.~SOCRATES: Do I understand
241 Text |      punished his soul is improved.~POLUS: Surely.~SOCRATES: Then
242 Text |          from the evil of his soul?~POLUS: Yes.~SOCRATES: And is he
243 Text |          greater evil than poverty?~POLUS: There is no greater evil.~
244 Text |          and disease and deformity?~POLUS: I should.~SOCRATES: And
245 Text |           has some evil of her own?~POLUS: Of course.~SOCRATES: And
246 Text |            cowardice, and the like?~POLUS: Certainly.~SOCRATES: So
247 Text |        injustice, disease, poverty?~POLUS: True.~SOCRATES: And which
248 Text |       general the evil of the soul?~POLUS: By far the most.~SOCRATES:
249 Text |   disgraceful, then also the worst?~POLUS: What do you mean, Socrates?~
250 Text |        painful or hurtful, or both.~POLUS: Certainly.~SOCRATES: And
251 Text |             to be most disgraceful?~POLUS: It has been admitted.~SOCRATES:
252 Text |           or most hurtful, or both?~POLUS: Certainly.~SOCRATES: And
253 Text |           than to be poor and sick?~POLUS: Nay, Socrates; the painfulness
254 Text |            hurtfulness of the evil.~POLUS: Clearly.~SOCRATES: And
255 Text |           be the greatest of evils?~POLUS: Yes.~SOCRATES: Then injustice
256 Text |          are the greatest of evils?~POLUS: That is evident.~SOCRATES:
257 Text |            the art of making money?~POLUS: Yes.~SOCRATES: And what
258 Text |            not the art of medicine?~POLUS: Very true.~SOCRATES: And
259 Text |           and to whom we take them.~POLUS: To the physicians, Socrates.~
260 Text |             unjust and intemperate?~POLUS: To the judges, you mean.~
261 Text |             Who are to punish them?~POLUS: Yes.~SOCRATES: And do not
262 Text |            certain rule of justice?~POLUS: Clearly.~SOCRATES: Then
263 Text |         intemperance and injustice?~POLUS: That is evident.~SOCRATES:
264 Text |            the best of these three?~POLUS: Will you enumerate them?~
265 Text |              medicine, and justice.~POLUS: Justice, Socrates, far
266 Text |      pleasure or advantage or both?~POLUS: Yes.~SOCRATES: But is the
267 Text |           are being healed pleased?~POLUS: I think not.~SOCRATES:
268 Text |     SOCRATES: A useful thing, then?~POLUS: Yes.~SOCRATES: Yes, because
269 Text |             pain—that you get well?~POLUS: Certainly.~SOCRATES: And
270 Text |            never was out of health?~POLUS: Clearly he who was never
271 Text |           in never having had them.~POLUS: True.~SOCRATES: And suppose
272 Text |         them is the most miserable?~POLUS: Clearly he who is not healed.~
273 Text |            of evils, which is vice?~POLUS: True.~SOCRATES: And justice
274 Text |           the medicine of our vice?~POLUS: True.~SOCRATES: He, then,
275 Text |           be the greatest of evils.~POLUS: Clearly.~SOCRATES: And
276 Text |             is delivered from vice?~POLUS: True.~SOCRATES: That is
277 Text |          and rebuke and punishment?~POLUS: Yes.~SOCRATES: Then he
278 Text |         deliverance from injustice?~POLUS: Certainly.~SOCRATES: That
279 Text |     potentates? (Compare Republic.)~POLUS: True.~SOCRATES: May not
280 Text |           not that a parallel case?~POLUS: Yes, truly.~SOCRATES: He
281 Text |        vigour; and if we are right, Polus, in our previous conclusions,
282 Text |           of persuasion. But if we, Polus, are right, do you see what
283 Text |           the consequences in form?~POLUS: If you please.~SOCRATES:
284 Text |           is the greatest of evils?~POLUS: That is quite clear.~SOCRATES:
285 Text |            released from this evil?~POLUS: True.~SOCRATES: And not
286 Text |             to perpetuate the evil?~POLUS: Yes.~SOCRATES: To do wrong,
287 Text |          first and greatest of all?~POLUS: That is true.~SOCRATES:
288 Text |           Was not that what I said?~POLUS: Yes.~SOCRATES: And it has
289 Text |             been proved to be true?~POLUS: Certainly.~SOCRATES: Well,
290 Text |          Certainly.~SOCRATES: Well, Polus, but if this is true, where
291 Text |          thereby suffer great evil?~POLUS: True.~SOCRATES: And if
292 Text |             allow this consequence, Polus, if our former admissions
293 Text |     inference consistent with them?~POLUS: To that, Socrates, there
294 Text |        rhetoric is of no use to us, Polus, in helping a man to excuse
295 Text |            the greatest evil. Then, Polus, rhetoric would indeed be
296 Text |          say ‘Yes’ or ‘No’ to that?~POLUS: To me, Socrates, what you
297 Text |         premises are not disproven?~POLUS: Yes; it certainly is.~SOCRATES:
298 Text |             can. For such purposes, Polus, rhetoric may be useful,
299 Text |      declaiming in this way because Polus has fallen into the same
300 Text |        which you delight. Whereupon Polus laughed at you deservedly,
301 Text |           suffering injustice. When Polus was speaking of the conventionally
302 Text |          two strangers, Gorgias and Polus, are undoubtedly wise men
303 Text |             Callicles, why I scared Polus and Gorgias, until they
304 Text |           Because, if you remember, Polus and I have agreed that all
305 Text |           was saying to Gorgias and Polus; I was saying, as you will
306 Text |         further said to Gorgias and Polus that cookery in my opinion
307 Text |         that which you thought that Polus was led to admit out of
308 Text |       position, which, according to Polus, Gorgias admitted out of
309 Text |              whether you think that Polus and I were right in admitting
310 Text |             times from you and from Polus and from nearly every man
311 Text |     rhetorician, as I was saying to Polus, are the same, or nearly
312 Text |           me, as I was arguing with Polus:—I shall be tried just as
313 Text |         will be found Archelaus, if Polus truly reports of him, and
314 Text |            now you see that you and Polus and Gorgias, who are the


Phaedrus
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315 Intro|         technical terms invented by Polus, Theodorus, Evenus, Tisias,
316 Intro|  notwithstanding the absurdities of Polus and others, rhetoric has
317 Text |         SOCRATES: And there is also Polus, who has treasuries of diplasiology,