(...) Meno
     Part
3001 Text |              And so forth?~ANYTUS: Yes.~SOCRATES: Let me trouble you with
3002 Text |               sending him?~ANYTUS: Yes.~SOCRATES: And might not the same
3003 Text |             Zeus, and of ignorance too.~SOCRATES: Very good. And now you
3004 Text |               ANYTUS: Whom do you mean, Socrates?~SOCRATES: You surely know,
3005 Text |             Whom do you mean, Socrates?~SOCRATES: You surely know, do you
3006 Text |          Sophists?~ANYTUS: By Heracles, Socrates, forbear! I only hope that
3007 Text |               who have to do with them.~SOCRATES: What, Anytus? Of all the
3008 Text |                 Out of their minds! No, Socrates; the young men who gave
3009 Text |             citizen and stranger alike.~SOCRATES: Has any of the Sophists
3010 Text |               anything to do with them.~SOCRATES: Then you are entirely unacquainted
3011 Text |               no wish to be acquainted.~SOCRATES: Then, my dear friend, how
3012 Text |            acquainted with them or not.~SOCRATES: You must be a diviner,
3013 Text |              you not tell him yourself?~SOCRATES: I have told him whom I
3014 Text |               to him than the Sophists.~SOCRATES: And did those gentlemen
3015 Text |             many good men in this city?~SOCRATES: Yes, certainly, Anytus;
3016 Text |               Certainly; no man better.~SOCRATES: And must not he then have
3017 Text |                  if he wanted to be so.~SOCRATES: But would he not have wanted?
3018 Text |                 of him?~ANYTUS: I have.~SOCRATES: Then no one could say that
3019 Text |                ANYTUS: Very likely not.~SOCRATES: But did any one, old or
3020 Text |             never heard any one say so.~SOCRATES: And if virtue could have
3021 Text |            Indeed, indeed, I think not.~SOCRATES: Here was a teacher of virtue
3022 Text |            ANYTUS: To be sure I should.~SOCRATES: And did not he train his
3023 Text |             Xanthippus.~ANYTUS: I know.~SOCRATES: And you know, also, that
3024 Text |           ANYTUS: I have heard of them.~SOCRATES: Now, can there be a doubt
3025 Text |            which can be taught?~ANYTUS: Socrates, I think that you are too
3026 Text |                I believe that you know.~SOCRATES: O Meno, think that Anytus
3027 Text |              MENO: Certainly there are.~SOCRATES: And are they willing to
3028 Text |                taught?~MENO: No indeed, Socrates, they are anything but agreed;
3029 Text |                 then again the reverse.~SOCRATES: Can we call those teachers
3030 Text |            vocation?~MENO: I think not, Socrates.~SOCRATES: And what do you
3031 Text |                  I think not, Socrates.~SOCRATES: And what do you think of
3032 Text |           virtue?~MENO: I often wonder, Socrates, that Gorgias is never heard
3033 Text |              should be taught to speak.~SOCRATES: Then do you not think that
3034 Text |                MENO: I cannot tell you, Socrates; like the rest of the world,
3035 Text |             teachers and sometimes not.~SOCRATES: And are you aware that
3036 Text |             MENO: Where does he say so?~SOCRATES: In these elegiac verses (
3037 Text |               be taught?~MENO: Clearly.~SOCRATES: But in some other verses
3038 Text |               the other.~MENO: Clearly.~SOCRATES: And is there anything else
3039 Text |              should say, certainly not.~SOCRATES: But if neither the Sophists
3040 Text |               other teachers?~MENO: No.~SOCRATES: And if there are no teachers,
3041 Text |                disciples?~MENO: Agreed.~SOCRATES: And we have admitted that
3042 Text |               disciples?~MENO: We have.~SOCRATES: And there are no teachers
3043 Text |          anywhere?~MENO: There are not.~SOCRATES: And if there are no teachers,
3044 Text |                 That, I think, is true.~SOCRATES: Then virtue cannot be taught?~
3045 Text |             view. But I cannot believe, Socrates, that there are no good
3046 Text |               they come into existence?~SOCRATES: I am afraid, Meno, that
3047 Text |                  MENO: How do you mean, Socrates?~SOCRATES: I mean that good
3048 Text |              How do you mean, Socrates?~SOCRATES: I mean that good men are
3049 Text |               It must be so.~MENO: Yes.~SOCRATES: And in supposing that they
3050 Text |             were also right?~MENO: Yes.~SOCRATES: But when we said that a
3051 Text |               mean by the word ‘right’?~SOCRATES: I will explain. If a man
3052 Text |                 guide?~MENO: Certainly.~SOCRATES: And a person who had a
3053 Text |                he not?~MENO: Certainly.~SOCRATES: And while he has true opinion
3054 Text |               the truth?~MENO: Exactly.~SOCRATES: Then true opinion is as
3055 Text |              right opinion.~MENO: True.~SOCRATES: Then right opinion is not
3056 Text |        knowledge?~MENO: The difference, Socrates, is only that he who has
3057 Text |               right, and sometimes not.~SOCRATES: What do you mean? Can he
3058 Text |                argument, and therefore, Socrates, I wonder that knowledge
3059 Text |                they should ever differ.~SOCRATES: And shall I explain this
3060 Text |               to you?~MENO: Do tell me.~SOCRATES: You would not wonder if
3061 Text |                to do with the question?~SOCRATES: Because they require to
3062 Text |               MENO: Well, what of that?~SOCRATES: I mean to say that they
3063 Text |              MENO: What you are saying, Socrates, seems to be very like the
3064 Text |                 be very like the truth.~SOCRATES: I too speak rather in ignorance;
3065 Text |                 one of them.~MENO: Yes, Socrates; and you are quite right
3066 Text |               quite right in saying so.~SOCRATES: And am I not also right
3067 Text |           knowledge?~MENO: There again, Socrates, I think you are right.~
3068 Text |                  I think you are right.~SOCRATES: Then right opinion is not
3069 Text |              has knowledge?~MENO: True.~SOCRATES: And surely the good man
3070 Text |                to be useful?~MENO: Yes.~SOCRATES: Seeing then that men become
3071 Text |                by nature?~MENO: Not I.)~SOCRATES: Then if they are not given
3072 Text |              good?~MENO: Certainly not.~SOCRATES: And nature being excluded,
3073 Text |                 by teaching?~MENO: Yes.~SOCRATES: If virtue was wisdom (or
3074 Text |               it was taught?~MENO: Yes.~SOCRATES: And if it was taught it
3075 Text |                wisdom?~MENO: Certainly.~SOCRATES: And if there were teachers,
3076 Text |              teachers, not?~MENO: True.~SOCRATES: But surely we acknowledged
3077 Text |          teachers of virtue?~MENO: Yes.~SOCRATES: Then we acknowledged that
3078 Text |                wisdom?~MENO: Certainly.~SOCRATES: And yet we admitted that
3079 Text |               it was a good?~MENO: Yes.~SOCRATES: And the right guide is
3080 Text |              and good?~MENO: Certainly.~SOCRATES: And the only right guides
3081 Text |        knowledge.~MENO: I think so too.~SOCRATES: But if virtue is not taught,
3082 Text |           knowledge.~MENO: Clearly not.~SOCRATES: Then of two good and useful
3083 Text |                life.~MENO: I think not.~SOCRATES: And therefore not by any
3084 Text |                  That is probably true, Socrates.~SOCRATES: But if not by
3085 Text |                probably true, Socrates.~SOCRATES: But if not by knowledge,
3086 Text |                say.~MENO: So I believe.~SOCRATES: And may we not, Meno, truly
3087 Text |              and word?~MENO: Certainly.~SOCRATES: Then we shall also be right
3088 Text |               what they say.~MENO: Yes.~SOCRATES: And the women too, Meno,
3089 Text |                man.’~MENO: And I think, Socrates, that they are right; although
3090 Text |               take offence at the word.~SOCRATES: I do not care; as for Anytus,
3091 Text |                MENO: That is excellent, Socrates.~SOCRATES: Then, Meno, the
3092 Text |                 is excellent, Socrates.~SOCRATES: Then, Meno, the conclusion


Parmenides
     Part
3093 Intro|               pleased at the request of Socrates that they would examine
3094 Intro|             invented the meeting (‘You, Socrates, can easily invent Egyptian
3095 Intro|                 own doctrines: nor does Socrates attempt to offer any answer
3096 Intro|             remembers a conversation of Socrates with Parmenides and Zeno,
3097 Intro|               outside the wall, whither Socrates, then a very young man,
3098 Intro|               recitation was completed, Socrates requested that the first
3099 Intro|                   You mean, Zeno,’ said Socrates, ‘to argue that being, if
3100 Intro|                 meaning.’ ‘I see,’ said Socrates, turning to Parmenides, ‘
3101 Intro|               beyond most of us.’ ‘Yes, Socrates,’ said Zeno; ‘but though
3102 Intro|                quite believe you,’ said Socrates; ‘but will you answer me
3103 Intro|               delight and admiration of Socrates. ‘Tell me,’ said Parmenides, ‘
3104 Intro|              nonsense.’ ‘You are young, Socrates, and therefore naturally
3105 Intro|                 not of the whole?’ said Socrates. ‘Because,’ said Parmenides, ‘
3106 Intro|               become many.’ ‘Nay,’ said Socrates, ‘the whole may be like
3107 Intro|                 may go on to infinity.’ Socrates replies that the ideas may
3108 Intro|            unmeaningness of this,’ says Socrates, ‘and would rather have
3109 Intro|                up. You have hardly yet, Socrates, found out the real difficulty
3110 Intro|                  How do you mean?’ said Socrates. ‘I may illustrate my meaning
3111 Intro|                 I agree with you,’ said Socrates. ‘Yet if these difficulties
3112 Intro|            understand the nature,’ said Socrates; ‘will you give me an example?’ ‘
3113 Intro|             attack made by the youthful Socrates on the paradoxes of Zeno.
3114 Intro|               the novel speculations of Socrates with mixed feelings of admiration
3115 Intro|                 the ethical teaching of Socrates came into conflict with
3116 Intro|                 correcting the youthful Socrates. Two points in his criticism
3117 Intro|                the test of consistency. Socrates is willing to assume ideas
3118 Intro|             this want of consistency in Socrates, which he attributes to
3119 Intro|              criticism of Parmenides on Socrates attributes to him a want
3120 Intro|               the mere interrogation of Socrates. Here, again, he may perhaps
3121 Intro|             Parmenides does not deny to Socrates the credit of having gone
3122 Intro|              method being attributed to Socrates; nor is the dialectic here
3123 Intro|           spoken of as the method which Socrates had heard Zeno practise
3124 Intro|               Soph.).~The discussion of Socrates with Parmenides is one of
3125 Intro|               thought to express facts.~Socrates attempts to support his
3126 Intro|              sail. He truly explains to Socrates that he has attained the
3127 Intro|                 will go on to infinity. Socrates meets the supposed difficulty
3128 Intro|                 well as in particulars.~Socrates makes one more attempt to
3129 Intro|                 answer to them; for, as Socrates and Parmenides both admit,
3130 Intro|               the difficulties in which Socrates is involved to a want of
3131 Intro|               Megara after the death of Socrates. For Megara was within a
3132 Intro|                very dialogue, is urging Socrates, not to doubt everything,
3133 Intro|             among the contemporaries of Socrates. It throws an indistinct
3134 Intro|              the opposite of that which Socrates implies: There is no contradiction
3135 Intro|                which Parmenides asks of Socrates. And yet these questions
3136 Intro|               method of Zeno should, as Socrates desired, be extended to
3137 Intro|                 interrogative method of Socrates; the Eleatic One or Being
3138 Text |          Glaucon, Antiphon, Pythodorus, Socrates, Zeno, Parmenides, Aristoteles.~
3139 Text |                which took place between Socrates, Zeno, and Parmenides many
3140 Text |               outside the wall, whither Socrates, then a very young man,
3141 Text |               recitation was completed, Socrates requested that the first
3142 Text |                 I see, Parmenides, said Socrates, that Zeno would like to
3143 Text |               reach of most of us.~Yes, Socrates, said Zeno. But although
3144 Text |                 you do not seem to see, Socrates; though in other respects,
3145 Text |                 one.~I understand, said Socrates, and quite accept your account.
3146 Text |               in visible objects.~While Socrates was speaking, Pythodorus
3147 Text |                in the following words:—~Socrates, he said, I admire the bent
3148 Text |              there are such ideas, said Socrates.~Parmenides proceeded: And
3149 Text |                 feel equally undecided, Socrates, about things of which the
3150 Text |                not?~Certainly not, said Socrates; visible things like these
3151 Text |           occupy myself with them.~Yes, Socrates, said Parmenides; that is
3152 Text |            beauty?~Yes, certainly, said Socrates that is my meaning.~Then
3153 Text |               Why not, Parmenides? said Socrates.~Because one and the same
3154 Text |             same time.~I like your way, Socrates, of making one in many places
3155 Text |        different men?~The latter.~Then, Socrates, the ideas themselves will
3156 Text |             Then would you like to say, Socrates, that the one idea is really
3157 Text |               absurd!~Then in what way, Socrates, will all things participate
3158 Text |                 as one.~Very true, said Socrates.~And if you go on and allow
3159 Text |                may not the ideas, asked Socrates, be thoughts only, and have
3160 Text |               seem so.~Do you see then, Socrates, how great is the difficulty
3161 Text |              you mean, Parmenides? said Socrates.~In the first place, I think,
3162 Text |               the first place, I think, Socrates, that you, or any one who
3163 Text |            cannot exist in us.~No, said Socrates; for then they would be
3164 Text |                  What do you mean? said Socrates.~I may illustrate my meaning
3165 Text |               see my meaning?~Yes, said Socrates, I quite see your meaning.~
3166 Text |               things?~Why not?~Because, Socrates, said Parmenides, we have
3167 Text |               of men.~Yet, surely, said Socrates, to deprive God of knowledge
3168 Text |          knowledge is monstrous.~These, Socrates, said Parmenides, are a
3169 Text |              with you, Parmenides, said Socrates; and what you say is very
3170 Text |               much to my mind.~And yet, Socrates, said Parmenides, if a man,
3171 Text |                 think that this arises, Socrates, out of your attempting
3172 Text |             apprehend you better.~That, Socrates, is a serious task to impose
3173 Text |               Then will you, Zeno? said Socrates.~Zeno answered with a smile:—
3174 Text |                I join in the request of Socrates, that I may hear the process


Phaedo
     Part
3175 Intro|               tale of the last hours of Socrates is narrated to Echecrates
3176 Intro|                 of a narrative, because Socrates has to be described acting
3177 Intro|           thirty days, the execution of Socrates has been deferred. (Compare
3178 Intro|             that they may converse with Socrates for the last time. Those
3179 Intro|             disciples of Philolaus whom Socrates ‘by his enchantments has
3180 Intro|          information about the trial of Socrates (Mem.), the ‘madman’ Apollodorus (
3181 Intro|               as soon as the friends of Socrates enter the prison Xanthippe
3182 Intro|                one of Crito’s servants. Socrates himself has just been released
3183 Intro|              poet (compare Apol.): ‘Why Socrates, who was not a poet, while
3184 Intro|               comply with your request, Socrates.’ ‘Why, is he not a philosopher?’ ‘
3185 Intro|            Cebes is really referring to Socrates, whom they think too unmoved
3186 Intro|               the gods and his friends. Socrates answers that he is going
3187 Intro|                is one of these mystics, Socrates is now departing. This is
3188 Intro|                 away like smoke or air. Socrates in answer appeals first
3189 Intro|                 not a future existence. Socrates answers this objection by
3190 Intro|              objections at such a time. Socrates wonders at their reluctance.
3191 Intro|              may at last perish, or, as Socrates afterwards restates the
3192 Intro|             argument, but in ourselves. Socrates, who is about to die, is
3193 Intro|                The goddess Harmonia, as Socrates playfully terms the argument
3194 Intro|             given to the Theban Cadmus. Socrates recapitulates the argument
3195 Intro|            These are difficulties which Socrates cannot answer. Of generation
3196 Intro|               if a person had said that Socrates is sitting here because
3197 Intro|         Republic.) ‘I was afraid,’ says Socrates, ‘that I might injure the
3198 Intro|                ideas is granted to him, Socrates is of opinion that he will
3199 Intro|                 narrative is continued; Socrates is desirous of explaining
3200 Intro|              because he is greater than Socrates and less than Phaedo. And
3201 Intro|             when compared to Phaedo and Socrates. I use the illustration,
3202 Intro|              use the illustration, says Socrates, because I want to show
3203 Intro|            opposites. But that, replies Socrates, was affirmed, not of opposite
3204 Intro|             objection has been removed, Socrates proceeds: This doctrine
3205 Intro|                still fairer ‘mansions.’~Socrates is not prepared to insist
3206 Intro|                In the same temper which Socrates reproves in himself they
3207 Intro|                  like the companions of Socrates, ‘What argument can we ever
3208 Intro|               still ask the question of Socrates, ‘What is that which we
3209 Intro|                  like the companions of Socrates, may feel discouraged at
3210 Intro|          another. Beginning in mystery, Socrates, in the intermediate part
3211 Intro|                the Greeks in the age of Socrates, but, like the unity of
3212 Intro|                 other. The parallel, as Socrates would say, is not perfect,
3213 Intro|                the time, we cannot pity Socrates; his mien and his language
3214 Intro|                the extreme elevation of Socrates above his own situation,
3215 Intro|                is the equal in years of Socrates, and stands in quite a different
3216 Intro|         Euthydemus), the best friend of Socrates, who wants to know his commands,
3217 Intro|                Nor among the friends of Socrates must the jailer be forgotten,
3218 Intro|                and also by the words of Socrates to his disciples: ‘How charming
3219 Intro|                between the behaviour of Socrates and of others when about
3220 Intro|               bosom,’ as seated next to Socrates, who is playing with his
3221 Intro|             things to hear and speak of Socrates after his death. The calmness
3222 Intro|           although finally persuaded by Socrates, is said to be the most
3223 Intro|            Xenophon, who at the time of Socrates’ death was in Asia. The
3224 Intro|        immortality can be attributed to Socrates or not is uncertain; the
3225 Intro|            derived from the teaching of Socrates. It may be fairly urged
3226 Intro|             illustrative of the life of Socrates. Another chain may be formed
3227 Intro|                 After the confession of Socrates that he is an interested
3228 Intro|                 1) The difficulty which Socrates says that he experienced
3229 Intro|        explained out of the position of Socrates and Plato in the history
3230 Intro|          seeking to discover that which Socrates in a glass darkly foresaw?~
3231 Intro|                 is the tragedy of which Socrates is the protagonist and Simmias
3232 Intro|                argument, the picture of Socrates playing with the hair of
3233 Intro|                the final scene in which Socrates alone retains his composure—
3234 Intro|         describe the trial and death of Socrates. Their charm is their simplicity,
3235 Intro|                  like the last hours of Socrates in Plato. The master could
3236 Intro|                  are our arguments; and Socrates by anticipation may be even
3237 Intro|                 the words attributed to Socrates were actually uttered by
3238 Text |                to Echecrates of Phlius. Socrates, Apollodorus, Simmias, Cebes,
3239 Text |            Prison.~SCENE: The Prison of Socrates.~PLACE OF THE NARRATION:
3240 Text |              Phaedo, in the prison with Socrates on the day when he drank
3241 Text |                 this was the reason why Socrates lay in prison and was not
3242 Text |                 wish. To be reminded of Socrates is always the greatest delight
3243 Text |           generally passed the day with Socrates. On the last morning we
3244 Text |                  he said, ‘are now with Socrates; they are taking off his
3245 Text |                in. On entering we found Socrates just released from chains,
3246 Text |                 said, as women will: ‘O Socrates, this is the last time that
3247 Text |             friends, or they with you.’ Socrates turned to Crito and said: ‘
3248 Text |                  And when she was gone, Socrates, sitting up on the couch,
3249 Text |             this Cebes said: I am glad, Socrates, that you have mentioned
3250 Text |                he is obliged.~Why, said Socrates,—is not Evenus a philosopher?~
3251 Text |              ready to follow the dying?~Socrates replied: And have you, Cebes
3252 Text |               his language was obscure, Socrates.~My words, too, are only
3253 Text |               of the sun?~Then tell me, Socrates, why is suicide held to
3254 Text |                 not lose heart, replied Socrates, and the day may come when
3255 Text |               is now summoning me.~Yes, Socrates, said Cebes, there seems
3256 Text |                 than himself. Now this, Socrates, is the reverse of what
3257 Text |               of Cebes seemed to please Socrates. Here, said he, turning
3258 Text |              good masters.~Yes, replied Socrates; there is reason in what
3259 Text |                 your thoughts with you, Socrates? said Simmias. Will you
3260 Text |                will do my best, replied Socrates. But you must first let
3261 Text |             something to me.~Only this, Socrates, replied Crito:—the attendant
3262 Text |                a third dose.~Then, said Socrates, let him mind his business
3263 Text |                 you have made me laugh, Socrates; for I cannot help thinking
3264 Text |                a wonderful truth in it, Socrates, replied Simmias.~And when
3265 Text |             would you not?~Undoubtedly, Socrates.~But, O my friend, if this
3266 Text |                Cebes answered: I agree, Socrates, in the greater part of
3267 Text |                 be good reason to hope, Socrates, that what you say is true.
3268 Text |         intelligence.~True, Cebes, said Socrates; and shall I suggest that
3269 Text |              about them.~I reckon, said Socrates, that no one who heard me
3270 Text |              also?~Of course.~Now, said Socrates, I will analyze one of the
3271 Text |             which they come again.~Yes, Socrates, he said; the conclusion
3272 Text |          Republic.)~There is no escape, Socrates, said Cebes; and to me your
3273 Text |                 Your favorite doctrine, Socrates, that knowledge is simply
3274 Text |             Compare Meno.)~But if, said Socrates, you are still incredulous,
3275 Text |                 inequality?~Impossible, Socrates.~Then these (so-called)
3276 Text |                should say, clearly not, Socrates.~And yet from these equals,
3277 Text |             alike in this respect?~Yes, Socrates, as far as the argument
3278 Text |               of knowledge?~Quite true, Socrates.~But if the knowledge which
3279 Text |                Yes, that is quite true, Socrates.~And which alternative,
3280 Text |                  Would that they could, Socrates, but I rather fear that
3281 Text |              Unless indeed you suppose, Socrates, that these notions are
3282 Text |                 at what other time?~No, Socrates, I perceive that I was unconsciously
3283 Text |                then not the souls.~Yes, Socrates; I am convinced that there
3284 Text |                been already given, said Socrates, if you put the two arguments
3285 Text |            answered with a smile: Then, Socrates, you must argue us out of
3286 Text |                he is alone in the dark.~Socrates said: Let the voice of the
3287 Text |              good charmer of our fears, Socrates, when you are gone?~Hellas,
3288 Text |        digressed.~By all means, replied Socrates; what else should I please?~
3289 Text |                 good.~Must we not, said Socrates, ask ourselves what that
3290 Text |                must be always the same, Socrates, replied Cebes.~And what
3291 Text |                 said.~Well, then, added Socrates, let us suppose that there
3292 Text |                or not seen?~Not by man, Socrates.~And what we mean by ‘seen’
3293 Text |               That follows necessarily, Socrates.~And were we not saying
3294 Text |                 is well and truly said, Socrates, he replied.~And to which
3295 Text |                 preceding one?~I think, Socrates, that, in the opinion of
3296 Text |                can be no doubt of that, Socrates.~Then reflect, Cebes: of
3297 Text |                    That is very likely, Socrates.~Yes, that is very likely,
3298 Text |               What natures do you mean, Socrates?~What I mean is that men
3299 Text |             disgrace of evil deeds.~No, Socrates, that would not become them,
3300 Text |               follow.~What do you mean, Socrates?~I will tell you, he said.
3301 Text |               never thinks.~What is it, Socrates? said Cebes.~The evil is
3302 Text |             pure and simple.~Most true, Socrates, answered Cebes.~And this,
3303 Text |               nowhere and nothing.~When Socrates had done speaking, for a
3304 Text |               words to one another. And Socrates observing them asked what
3305 Text |           Simmias said: I must confess, Socrates, that doubts did arise in
3306 Text |                 present at such a time.~Socrates replied with a smile: O
3307 Text |                Athens allow.~Very good, Socrates, said Simmias; then I will
3308 Text |                 certainly appear to me, Socrates, to be not sufficient.~Socrates
3309 Text |         Socrates, to be not sufficient.~Socrates answered: I dare say, my
3310 Text |            happen to that. The thought, Socrates, must have occurred to your
3311 Text |                how shall we answer him?~Socrates looked fixedly at us as
3312 Text |         convincing than the argument of Socrates, which has now fallen into
3313 Text |                  I implore you, how did Socrates proceed? Did he appear to
3314 Text |          Echecrates, I have wondered at Socrates, but never more than on
3315 Text |             yours will be severed.~Yes, Socrates, I suppose that they will,
3316 Text |                 of the truth and not of Socrates: agree with me, if I seem
3317 Text |              differently.~But, rejoined Socrates, you will have to think
3318 Text |                which compose it.~Never, Socrates.~But do you not see that
3319 Text |             have a much stronger faith, Socrates, in the first of the two,
3320 Text |                 good?~I agree with you, Socrates, he said.~And can all this
3321 Text |            thing than any harmony?~Yes, Socrates, I quite think so.~Then,
3322 Text |                he said.~Thus much, said Socrates, of Harmonia, your Theban
3323 Text |               Nay, my good friend, said Socrates, let us not boast, lest
3324 Text |               what you say that I mean.~Socrates paused awhile, and seemed
3325 Text |              Then I will tell you, said Socrates. When I was young, Cebes,
3326 Text |                 cause of the actions of Socrates, but who, when he endeavoured
3327 Text |               like to hear, he replied.~Socrates proceeded:—I thought that
3328 Text |              the wonderful clearness of Socrates’ reasoning.~PHAEDO: Certainly,
3329 Text |           derive their names from them, Socrates, if I remember rightly,
3330 Text |                 Simmias is greater than Socrates and less than Phaedo, do
3331 Text |          Simmias does not really exceed Socrates, as the words may seem to
3332 Text |                 Simmias does not exceed Socrates because he is Simmias, any
3333 Text |          Simmias, any more than because Socrates is Socrates, but because
3334 Text |                than because Socrates is Socrates, but because he has smallness
3335 Text |             seems to be utterly denied.~Socrates inclined his head to the
3336 Text |              are agreed after all, said Socrates, that the opposite will
3337 Text |                 Yes, abundantly proven, Socrates, he replied.~Supposing that
3338 Text |              imperishable.~Yes, replied Socrates, and yet all men will agree
3339 Text |          another world!~I am convinced, Socrates, said Cebes, and have nothing
3340 Text |              man.~Yes, Simmias, replied Socrates, that is well said: and
3341 Text |             nameless.~What do you mean, Socrates? said Simmias. I have myself
3342 Text |                 And I, Simmias, replied Socrates, if I had the art of Glaucus
3343 Text |             well worth hearing.~And we, Socrates, replied Simmias, shall
3344 Text |                you any commands for us, Socrates—anything to say about your
3345 Text |              believe that I am the same Socrates who have been talking and
3346 Text |             fancies that I am the other Socrates whom he will soon see, a
3347 Text |                 burial, Thus we lay out Socrates, or, Thus we follow him
3348 Text |                 by him, saying:—To you, Socrates, whom I know to be the noblest
3349 Text |               turned away and went out.~Socrates looked at him and said:
3350 Text |             hurry—there is time enough.~Socrates said: Yes, Crito, and they
3351 Text |             carrying the cup of poison. Socrates said: You, my good friend,
3352 Text |               time he handed the cup to Socrates, who in the easiest and
3353 Text |              answered: We only prepare, Socrates, just so much as we deem
3354 Text |                 made cowards of us all. Socrates alone retained his calmness:


Phaedrus
     Part
3355 Intro|                 wall, when he is met by Socrates, who professes that he will
3356 Intro|                 country is a novelty to Socrates, who never goes out of the
3357 Intro|            Phaedrus asks the opinion of Socrates respecting the local tradition
3358 Intro|                of Boreas and Oreithyia. Socrates, after a satirical allusion
3359 Intro|                 than the serpent Typho. Socrates as yet does not know himself;
3360 Intro|              periods, and wants to make Socrates say that nothing was or
3361 Intro|                could be written better. Socrates does not think much of the
3362 Intro|               set up a golden statue of Socrates at Delphi, if he keeps his
3363 Intro|          raillery ensues, and at length Socrates, conquered by the threat
3364 Intro|              master power of love.~Here Socrates fancies that he detects
3365 Intro|                the censure of the lover Socrates has broken out in verse,
3366 Intro|            conversation before they go. Socrates, who has risen, recognizes
3367 Intro|               takes the form of a myth.~Socrates begins his tale with a glorification
3368 Intro|             lovers have the same wings.~Socrates concludes:—~These are the
3369 Intro|                 have been deriding him. Socrates is of opinion that there
3370 Intro|            ourselves against deception.~Socrates then proposes that they
3371 Intro|             from the local deities, and Socrates himself will carry a similar
3372 Intro|           prayer to Pan and the nymphs, Socrates and Phaedrus depart.~There
3373 Intro|             fine words which are not in Socrates’ manner, as he says, ‘in
3374 Intro|           rhetoric; the first speech of Socrates, though an improvement,
3375 Intro|                characters of men, which Socrates at the commencement of the
3376 Intro|            genuine), or the pretence of Socrates in the Cratylus that his
3377 Intro|         elsewhere.~In the second speech Socrates is exhibited as beating
3378 Intro|               the greater liveliness of Socrates, which hurries him into
3379 Intro|                 purpose than to exhibit Socrates as the rival or superior
3380 Intro|                 the parallel oration of Socrates. First, passionate love
3381 Intro|            imaginative of speculations. Socrates, half in jest and to satisfy
3382 Intro|             doubtful.’ Suppose a modern Socrates, in defiance of the received
3383 Intro|                 side outwards, a modern Socrates might describe the evils
3384 Intro|           compensated by greater goods. Socrates or Archilochus would soon
3385 Intro|               is spiritual and eternal. Socrates is necessarily ironical;
3386 Intro|                 can imagine the mind of Socrates in another age and country;
3387 Intro|               are strongly condemned by Socrates as sinful and blasphemous
3388 Intro|          formality of the two speeches (Socrates has a sense of relief when
3389 Intro|         important from the unimportant. Socrates himself has given the right
3390 Intro|          characteristic of the irony of Socrates to mix up sense and nonsense
3391 Intro|                 the second discourse of Socrates is only an allegory, or
3392 Intro|             philosophy are described by Socrates in figures of speech which
3393 Intro|        neglected by us. But the mind of Socrates pierces through the differences
3394 Intro|               we fall under the lash of Socrates. For do we not often make ‘
3395 Intro|                There is another text of Socrates which must not be forgotten
3396 Intro|                of their art? What would Socrates think of our newspapers,
3397 Intro|               may fill up the sketch of Socrates, lest, as Phaedrus says,
3398 Intro|                word, and the example of Socrates, which he has represented
3399 Intro|            knowledge cannot be taught.’ Socrates means to say, that what
3400 Intro|                following the example of Socrates and of Christ...~Some other
3401 Intro|                 years of age, and while Socrates himself was still alive.~
3402 Intro|                 who is here assailed by Socrates, is the son of his old friend
3403 Intro|                this that the picture of Socrates, though in some lesser particulars,—
3404 Intro|               Platonic and not the real Socrates. Can we suppose ‘the young
3405 Intro|                speech and the remark of Socrates which follows afterwards, ‘
3406 Intro|             Sophocles; and the Platonic Socrates is afraid that, if he approves
3407 Text |                PERSONS OF THE DIALOGUE: Socrates, Phaedrus.~SCENE: Under
3408 Text |               the banks of the Ilissus.~SOCRATES: My dear Phaedrus, whence
3409 Text |               be shut up in a cloister.~SOCRATES: There he is right. Lysias
3410 Text |                temple of Olympian Zeus.~SOCRATES: And how did he entertain
3411 Text |             spare time to accompany me.~SOCRATES: And should I not deem the
3412 Text |               PHAEDRUS: Will you go on?~SOCRATES: And will you go on with
3413 Text |           narration?~PHAEDRUS: My tale, Socrates, is one of your sort, for
3414 Text |         accepted rather than the lover.~SOCRATES: O that is noble of him!
3415 Text |               What do you mean, my good Socrates? How can you imagine that
3416 Text |                a great deal if I could.~SOCRATES: I believe that I know Phaedrus
3417 Text |                 to speak as I best can.~SOCRATES: A very true remark, that
3418 Text |               as I say; but believe me, Socrates, I did not learn the very
3419 Text |                 begin at the beginning.~SOCRATES: Yes, my sweet one; but
3420 Text |                would you please to sit?~SOCRATES: Let us turn aside and go
3421 Text |              far from being unpleasant.~SOCRATES: Lead on, and look out for
3422 Text |             plane-tree in the distance?~SOCRATES: Yes.~PHAEDRUS: There are
3423 Text |                 either sit or lie down.~SOCRATES: Move forward.~PHAEDRUS:
3424 Text |                  I should like to know, Socrates, whether the place is not
3425 Text |               the banks of the Ilissus?~SOCRATES: Such is the tradition.~
3426 Text |                be maidens playing near.~SOCRATES: I believe that the spot
3427 Text |                 beseech you to tell me, Socrates, do you believe this tale?~
3428 Text |               do you believe this tale?~SOCRATES: The wise are doubtful,
3429 Text |                  Yes, this is the tree.~SOCRATES: By Here, a fair resting-place,
3430 Text |         incomprehensible being you are, Socrates: when you are in the country,
3431 Text |                 even outside the gates.~SOCRATES: Very true, my good friend;
3432 Text |                and I will answer.’~Now, Socrates, what do you think? Is not
3433 Text |                 matter of the language?~SOCRATES: Yes, quite admirable; the
3434 Text |                are pleased to be merry.~SOCRATES: Do you mean that I am not
3435 Text |                 don’t talk in that way, Socrates, but let me have your real
3436 Text |             better on the same subject.~SOCRATES: Well, but are you and I
3437 Text |               ways.~PHAEDRUS: Nonsense, Socrates; what you call repetition
3438 Text |            better or more exhaustively.~SOCRATES: There I cannot go along
3439 Text |              anything better than this?~SOCRATES: I am sure that I must have
3440 Text |              you, and as large as life.~SOCRATES: You are a dear golden ass
3441 Text |               the Cypselids at Olympia.~SOCRATES: How profoundly in earnest
3442 Text |                 you said to me, ‘I know Socrates as well as I know myself,
3443 Text |              compel me to use violence.~SOCRATES: But, my sweet Phaedrus,
3444 Text |              word that is irresistible.~SOCRATES: Then don’t say it.~PHAEDRUS:
3445 Text |              you have word of another!’~SOCRATES: Villain! I am conquered;
3446 Text |               you still at your tricks?~SOCRATES: I am not going to play
3447 Text |             starved.~PHAEDRUS: Proceed.~SOCRATES: Shall I tell you what I
3448 Text |                will do?~PHAEDRUS: What?~SOCRATES: I will veil my face and
3449 Text |         anything else which you please.~SOCRATES: Come, O ye Muses, melodious,
3450 Text |                inspired?~PHAEDRUS: Yes, Socrates, you seem to have a very
3451 Text |             very unusual flow of words.~SOCRATES: Listen to me, then, in
3452 Text |         PHAEDRUS: Nothing can be truer.~SOCRATES: The responsibility rests
3453 Text |                 Why do you not proceed?~SOCRATES: Does not your simplicity
3454 Text |                 you.~PHAEDRUS: Not yet, Socrates; not until the heat of the
3455 Text |                then return in the cool.~SOCRATES: Your love of discourse,
3456 Text |             news. But what do you mean?~SOCRATES: I mean to say that as I
3457 Text |            error.~PHAEDRUS: What error?~SOCRATES: That was a dreadful speech
3458 Text |               as bad.~PHAEDRUS: How so?~SOCRATES: It was foolish, I say,—
3459 Text |            really such as you describe.~SOCRATES: Well, and is not Eros the
3460 Text |              god?~PHAEDRUS: So men say.~SOCRATES: But that was not acknowledged
3461 Text |                than to hear you say so.~SOCRATES: Only think, my good Phaedrus,
3462 Text |               PHAEDRUS: I dare say not, Socrates.~SOCRATES: Therefore, because
3463 Text |                 dare say not, Socrates.~SOCRATES: Therefore, because I blush
3464 Text |            discourse on the same theme.~SOCRATES: You will be true to your
3465 Text |          PHAEDRUS: Speak, and fear not.~SOCRATES: But where is the fair youth
3466 Text |                 always at your service.~SOCRATES: Know then, fair youth,
3467 Text |         PHAEDRUS: I join in the prayer, Socrates, and say with you, if this
3468 Text |               give up writing speeches.~SOCRATES: What a very amusing notion!
3469 Text |           earnest?~PHAEDRUS: I thought, Socrates, that he was. And you are
3470 Text |           called Sophists by posterity.~SOCRATES: You seem to be unconscious,
3471 Text |              mean? I do not understand.~SOCRATES: Why, do you not know that
3472 Text |            approvers?~PHAEDRUS: How so?~SOCRATES: Why, he begins in this
3473 Text |             authorship?~PHAEDRUS: True.~SOCRATES: And if the law is finally
3474 Text |          mourning.~PHAEDRUS: Very true.~SOCRATES: So far are they from despising,
3475 Text |            writing.~PHAEDRUS: No doubt.~SOCRATES: And when the king or orator
3476 Text |               god?~PHAEDRUS: Very true.~SOCRATES: Then do you think that
3477 Text |              his own favourite pursuit.~SOCRATES: Any one may see that there
3478 Text |                PHAEDRUS: Certainly not.~SOCRATES: The disgrace begins when
3479 Text |               badly.~PHAEDRUS: Clearly.~SOCRATES: And what is well and what
3480 Text |                 rightly called slavish.~SOCRATES: There is time enough. And
3481 Text |             mean? I never heard of any.~SOCRATES: A lover of music like yourself
3482 Text |                  PHAEDRUS: Let us talk.~SOCRATES: Shall we discuss the rules
3483 Text |         proposing?~PHAEDRUS: Very good.~SOCRATES: In good speaking should
3484 Text |               speak?~PHAEDRUS: And yet, Socrates, I have heard that he who
3485 Text |                 and not from the truth.~SOCRATES: The words of the wise are
3486 Text |         dismissed.~PHAEDRUS: Very true.~SOCRATES: Let us put the matter thus:—
3487 Text |               That would be ridiculous.~SOCRATES: There is something more
3488 Text |               PHAEDRUS: How ridiculous!~SOCRATES: Ridiculous! Yes; but is
3489 Text |             enemy?~PHAEDRUS: Certainly.~SOCRATES: And when the orator instead
3490 Text |          PHAEDRUS: The reverse of good.~SOCRATES: But perhaps rhetoric has
3491 Text |              lady’s defence of herself.~SOCRATES: Quite true; if only the
3492 Text |               what are these arguments, Socrates? Bring them out that we
3493 Text |               that we may examine them.~SOCRATES: Come out, fair children,
3494 Text |             PHAEDRUS: Put the question.~SOCRATES: Is not rhetoric, taken
3495 Text |        assemblies—not extended farther.~SOCRATES: Then I suppose that you
3496 Text |                Theodorus your Odysseus.~SOCRATES: Perhaps that is my meaning.
3497 Text |       contending?~PHAEDRUS: Exactly so.~SOCRATES: About the just and unjust—
3498 Text |                 dispute?~PHAEDRUS: Yes.~SOCRATES: And a professor of the
3499 Text |              unjust?~PHAEDRUS: Exactly.~SOCRATES: And when he speaks in the
3500 Text |                 PHAEDRUS: That is true.~SOCRATES: Have we not heard of the